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I saw a SB last night that comes by occasionally. She comes by a couple of times per month and I'm not into her. She's 21 YO, a little strange and not really talented in bed. I was going to dump her a couple of months ago, but she really started warming up to me. The first few times, it was like she was doing a chore and then about two months ago she started getting into it. Our last two visits, she immediately came over (instead of going out to dinner) and instead of sitting on the couch talking for an hour or so, she immediately went to the bedroom, got undressed and slid under the covers. She said we can talk when we're done.

So, last night she gave me a BJ. It was the very first time she's done that we me (I enjoy blow jobs, but I encounter too many woman that are horrible at it that think they're an oral sex specialist because a bunch of inexperienced guys told them they were fantastic, I've had so many bad BJs that I just prefer nothing over a bad BJ). Anyway, it was fucking incredible! Probably one of the best that I've received in my lifetime. When she was done, I said, "Where did you learn to do that?" I was prepared for some really terrible story about abuse or some hot story about an old boyfriend. So, where did she learn how to give such a stellar BJ?

A video she saw on TikTok. I was the first actual person she tried it on. She'd never done one before. I need to get on TikTok and find out what the fuck is going on there.

Anyway, that got me thinking. So, I said, "when we met a few months ago, you'll told me about all these guys that you had sex with?" You never gave them a BJ? She said, "I was lying because you wouldn't want me if I told the truth. " "So how many guys have you been with?" "You're number 5 and with the exception of my last boyfriend, the most times I've had sex with one person. ".

So, though I shouldn't, I feel a little guilt. I can't dump her now, I'm like the second longest relationship she's had in her life.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5873300]I saw a SB last night that comes by occasionally. She comes by a couple of times per month and I'm not into her. She's 21 YO, a little strange and not really talented in bed. I was going to dump her a couple of months ago, but she really started warming up to me. The first few times, it was like she was doing a chore and then about two months ago she started getting into it. Our last two visits, she immediately came over (instead of going out to dinner) and instead of sitting on the couch talking for an hour or so, she immediately went to the bedroom, got undressed and slid under the covers. She said we can talk when we're done.

So, last night she gave me a BJ. It was the very first time she's done that we me (I enjoy blow jobs, but I encounter too many woman that are horrible at it that think they're an oral sex specialist because a bunch of inexperienced guys told them they were fantastic, I've had so many bad BJs that I just prefer nothing over a bad BJ). Anyway, it was fucking incredible! Probably one of the best that I've received in my lifetime. When she was done, I said, "Where did you learn to do that?" I was prepared for some really terrible story about abuse or some hot story about an old boyfriend. So, where did she learn how to give such a stellar BJ?

A video she saw on TikTok. I was the first actual person she tried it on. She'd never done one before. I need to get on TikTok and find out what the fuck is going on there.

Anyway, that got me thinking. So, I said, "when we met a few months ago, you'll told me about all these guys that you had sex with?" You never gave them a BJ? She said, "I was lying because you wouldn't want me if I told the truth. " "So how many guys have you been with?" "You're number 5 and with the exception of my last boyfriend, the most times I've had sex with one person. ".

So, though I shouldn't, I feel a little guilt. I can't dump her now, I'm like the second longest relationship she's had in her life.[/QUOTE]A: She's full of S.

B: Wake up.

C: She's full of S.

D: Congrats on the superb BJ.

[QUOTE=WaRubMonger;5873319]A: She's full of S.

B: Wake up.

C: She's full of S.

D: Congrats on the superb BJ.[/QUOTE]I tend to believe her. I understand your doubt. If she were "normal" I'd call bullshit too. She has a bunch of weird anxieties and I would even believe a touch of Asperger's. So, she not someone jumping from guy to guy collecting money and the Asperger's more than explains watching a video about something and doing it very well.

As far as boyfriends, I believe that 100%. She had no clue of what she was doing when we met. I tried to get her to ride me and she had zero clue about how to do it.

[QUOTE=Muncher7000;5873088]Did a search of Seeking with that handle and couldn't find her. Any suggestion?[/QUOTE]My guess is she's already banned. She was not the least bit subtle with her messages and I'm sure the site noticed.

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5869341][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bc3a4b5b-448b-4237-a885-c336bfe461ee[/URL]

Wants 200 for meet and greet.[/QUOTE]So I had a great text thread going with Sabrina and I have never paid for just talking but I was interested in see where this would go.

Out to dinner we go. It's her in the pictures but in real life kind of plain jane looking. Nice and slender pretty but only a 6. I think Sabrina has be around autistic kids too long, she started to critique me right away, with shit like "you haven't ask about me yet" 10 minutes after we sat in the booth. In the waiting area I was there first then she came in and sat down next to me so I put my hand on her knee and boy she jumped 4 feet. I should have know then run but no I just had to be punished. BTW she ant now prostitute, in my head I was "yes you are" in the end I would be putting the high hard one to her. Oh and the reason for the $200 was because she has been burn a lot in the past. Couldn't quite figure out how she got burned, did she take it up the ass and then the guy ran out without paying, I doubt it. She was too up tight for that. I texted her the next day and said I had a good time and would like to see her again, I'm lying here, just wanted to see what her response was going to be. That text was yesterday morning and you guessed it no response at all.

Now I would normally just walk away and say that was a sorry excuse of a women but no, I'm going to have some fun with her. I plan on texting her later tonight and whine about why she hasn't returned my text. I plan on playing the pussyfied whippy man to the extreme. I want to see how long it takes for her to block me on SA. By God I'm going to get my monies worth of entertainment with this hoe bag.

Alrighty then on to the next one.

So did you bang her?

[QUOTE=Muncher7000;5874279]So I had a great text thread going with Sabrina and I have never paid for just talking but I was interested in see where this would go.

Out to dinner we go. It's her in the pictures but in real life kind of plain jane looking. Nice and slender pretty but only a 6. I think Sabrina has be around autistic kids too long, she started to critique me right away, with shit like "you haven't ask about me yet" 10 minutes after we sat in the booth. In the waiting area I was there first then she came in and sat down next to me so I put my hand on her knee and boy she jumped 4 feet. I should have know then run but no I just had to be punished. BTW she ant now prostitute, in my head I was "yes you are" in the end I would be putting the high hard one to her. Oh and the reason for the $200 was because she has been burn a lot in the past. Couldn't quite figure out how she got burned, did she take it up the ass and then the guy ran out without paying, I doubt it. She was too up tight for that. I texted her the next day and said I had a good time and would like to see her again, I'm lying here, just wanted to see what her response was going to be. That text was yesterday morning and you guessed it no response at all.

Now I would normally just walk away and say that was a sorry excuse of a women but no, I'm going to have some fun with her. I plan on texting her later tonight and whine about why she hasn't returned my text. I plan on playing the pussyfied whippy man to the extreme. I want to see how long it takes for her to block me on SA. By God I'm going to get my monies worth of entertainment with this hoe bag..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;5874324]So did you bang her?[/QUOTE]It doesn't sound like it. From the long story, it sounds like he paid $200 to pay for dinner for a not so attractive woman.

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5874897]It doesn't sound like it. From the long story, it sounds like he paid $200 to pay for dinner for a not so attractive woman.[/QUOTE]Just before I was going to text her and start whining she texted me. "Oh baby it's been a hard week. Yes I would love to see you again. Can't wait".

I guess I would love to see a gal that would give me $200.00 just to meet up.

Alrighty then, I have some play money that I am willing to spend. MY question to the studs on the board here is what would be you next move if you had money set aside to have some fun with?

I'm on the fence here. She does have a smoking body 9, and her face is a 6.5. Street Troller thinks she might be a profession Seeker but she has only been on there since Sept of last year. She did mention that she dated a older guy for a few year in San Fran before she moved up here.

I'm going to wait to see what the advice is here before I see her or not. One thing would be to get her down on just the meets and pay more for pussy.

[QUOTE=MyNickname;5863424]I know several guys from here have met her. I am wondering how much does Ava wants for ppm? [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d3d5854d-b83c-4a17-9bb2-de8d0ffb9c8c[/URL].[/QUOTE]Free, no holes barred, anything goes. Ultra submissive like Insatiable Anna.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0cd8ebb5-16c5-4736-b92d-7249e2c0afcc[/URL]

Expects 100-200 gift just to meet and provides the typical "I know my worth" narrative and tries to convince you that she's top tier on this site. As they say in the South, "bless her heart". I've seen and been with much better.

[QUOTE=FantasyManJ;5875341]Free, no holes barred, anything goes. Ultra submissive like Insatiable Anna.[/QUOTE]True, she did not ask for anything and stayed the night, I think I filled her up three times including a morning greek fest, she did hit me up a couple weeks later asking for some help with a flight money, which I gladly gave her for the fun night she gave me.

She is hard to nail down but once you get her she is a petite fuck toy.

[QUOTE=Muncher7000;5875290]Just before I was going to text her and start whining she texted me. "Oh baby it's been a hard week. Yes I would love to see you again. Can't wait".

I guess I would love to see a gal that would give me $200.00 just to meet up.

Alrighty then, I have some play money that I am willing to spend. MY question to the studs on the board here is what would be you next move if you had money set aside to have some fun with?

I'm on the fence here. She does have a smoking body 9, and her face is a 6.5. Street Troller thinks she might be a profession Seeker but she has only been on there since Sept of last year. She did mention that she dated a older guy for a few year in San Fran before she moved up here.

I'm going to wait to see what the advice is here before I see her or not. One thing would be to get her down on just the meets and pay more for pussy.[/QUOTE]She seems completely not worth it to me and I don't find her remotely attractive. But all of that is such a personal thing so I can't really speak for it. I'm quite certain that my favorite Seeking girl is one that a lot of guys here would tell me isn't worth it the fact that I find her unattractive doesn't really matter. If you really want it, then go for it, but I don't pay for meets and the vibe I get from your description is that she's just going to waste your time and milk you for as many $200 lunches as she can get. Maybe it'll work out for you, but I just don't see that happening.

Can she host? And PhD in clinical psychology? Careful, sounds like she can fuck your brain as well as your body!

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;5875399]True, she did not ask for anything and stayed the night, I think I filled her up three times including a morning greek fest, she did hit me up a couple weeks later asking for some help with a flight money, which I gladly gave her for the fun night she gave me.

She is hard to nail down but once you get her she is a petite fuck toy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Muncher7000;5875290]... MY question to the studs on the board here is what would be you next move if you had money set aside to have some fun with?
...[/QUOTE]If they are not one hundred percent clearly DTF on the second date move on. That sounds like the case here.

On the other side of it, every now and then when I run across a master manipulator I take it to the next level and really fuck with them. Not fuck them, fuck WITH them.

Depending on the level of trauma you want to inflict, whether you want to visit that restaurant again, and whether you don't mind negotiating with police officers after the fact there is a whole world of options.

[QUOTE=MitchCor;5876263]Can she host? And PhD in clinical psychology? Careful, sounds like she can fuck your brain as well as your body![/QUOTE]Don't know, I always have a nice hotel room and prefer to host.

Well, after eight years on SA, a vindictive SB reported me and my account was suspended. I tried to create a new one: new photos, new username, prepaid gift card with a different name and different address. I signed up for the cc payment using the Opera VPN. And it still suspended my account!

Any intel on how to sign up again on SA without triggering their scanning mechanisms? Thanks!

I suspect there are 2 other possible check points that could be responsible for the suspension. 1) use of software fingerprint by the website / app, for this you can use software that blocks fingerprinting. 2) the use of gift card. I currently don't have a work around for this. Someone mentioned the use of [URL]privacy.com[/URL] but when I tried to sign up for it, the service said they now require you to open a checking account with them (even after they verified my current checking account) so I aborted the process and got account deleted.

[QUOTE=DrTraveler;5877155]Well, after eight years on SA, a vindictive SB reported me and my account was suspended. I tried to create a new one: new photos, new username, prepaid gift card with a different name and different address. I signed up for the cc payment using the Opera VPN. And it still suspended my account!

Any intel on how to sign up again on SA without triggering their scanning mechanisms? Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MyNickname;5877261]I suspect there are 2 other possible check points that could be responsible for the suspension. 1) use of software fingerprint by the website / app, for this you can use software that blocks fingerprinting. 2) the use of gift card. I currently don't have a work around for this. Someone mentioned the use of [URL]privacy.com[/URL] but when I tried to sign up for it, the service said they now require you to open a checking account with them (even after they verified my current checking account) so I aborted the process and got account deleted.[/QUOTE]Anytime an exploit is revealed here it's patched within a month or so.

By SA admins you mean women that have been granted privileges by that site?

[QUOTE=Fillipino;5877284]Anytime an exploit is revealed here it's patched within a month or so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrTraveler;5877155]Well, after eight years on SA, a vindictive SB reported me and my account was suspended. I tried to create a new one: new photos, new username, prepaid gift card with a different name and different address. I signed up for the cc payment using the Opera VPN. And it still suspended my account!

Any intel on how to sign up again on SA without triggering their scanning mechanisms? Thanks![/QUOTE]Yeah, I have the same problem. I've followed all of the other advice on here but none of it works. I even tried creating the account while on a trip in Dallas using a computer in the hotel's business center. I used one of those temporary cards and attached the address of one of my rental properties to it. I was suspended immediately when I attempted to pay. I've given up.

The thing is, I don't even know who I offended. I mean. I guess it could have been any number of women with whom I passed on, but I never actually got into any arguments or insulted any of them. Right now I'm trying to use Secret Benefits but so far, it seems like that site is like 1/100th as good as Seeking.

[QUOTE=MyNickname;5863424]I know several guys from here have met her. I am wondering how much does Ava wants for ppm? [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/d3d5854d-b83c-4a17-9bb2-de8d0ffb9c8c[/URL].[/QUOTE][QUOTE=FantasyManJ;5875341]Free, no holes barred, anything goes. Ultra submissive like Insatiable Anna.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PoonHound1969;5875399]True, she did not ask for anything and stayed the night, I think I filled her up three times including a morning greek fest, she did hit me up a couple weeks later asking for some help with a flight money, which I gladly gave her for the fun night she gave me.

She is hard to nail down but once you get her she is a petite fuck toy.[/QUOTE]She looks incredibly hot. Sad that I am more or less out the game for a few more months. I bet she is incredible in bed, she has that look to her.

Well, you may be not missing on anything. Seems she is too hard to contact and meet.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5878146]She looks incredibly hot. Sad that I am more or less out the game for a few more months. I bet she is incredible in bed, she has that look to her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5878146]She looks incredibly hot. Sad that I am more or less out the game for a few more months. I bet she is incredible in bed, she has that look to her.[/QUOTE]She came to my hotel mini black dress, no panties, she is a total sub in bed.

Pic seller.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/67fcfa01-755d-4a66-a099-b19514f9fa90[/URL]

Hairy pits are a huge turn-off, so I won't be buying. LOL

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5880179]Pic seller.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/67fcfa01-755d-4a66-a099-b19514f9fa90[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5880179]Pic seller.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/67fcfa01-755d-4a66-a099-b19514f9fa90[/URL][/QUOTE]She / He is a scammer with newer profile and not her pics.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5878146]She looks incredibly hot. Sad that I am more or less out the game for a few more months. I bet she is incredible in bed, she has that look to her.[/QUOTE]I've been trying but she never even looked at my msgs yet. I hear she is good and fun.

[QUOTE=BugManLet;5861626]I met her in the Bremerton area. She's real, but it was 18 months ago I saw her so don't know what has transpired. Let us know how it turns out if you go through with it.[/QUOTE]Yup she is real and hosts in her duplex or Quadplex apartment. Fun and beautiful.

Hey guys,

Looking to get back in the game after a year and change off. Want to see the general consensus of the success rate people are having and if it's even worth it.

I can say about 2 years ago, it was mostly a waste of time. I was able to bag one chick that was young and cute but it took a lot of work to find her, and she later ghosted me. She was really ideal too but if I didn't find her, I'd say it wasn't worth it (it barely was even with this chick).

I'm in my late 30's so I think I'm in the younger crowd of SD. Anyone thinks this makes a difference in success rate? Or is it all about the money? I would never offer more than 4 for PPM so I think that was an issue too, a lot of GPS, I'm assuming that's still the case. But I am looking for good looking girls, not old fat women looking to be anyone's cum dumpster. I'm not looking for a unicorn either but if it sounds like I am, please let me know so I can lower expectations or possibly avoid the SB / SD game for the time being.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;5831151]She is a fun, older MILF that is DTF, very reasonable to. Be warned if you have any skill in the sack she will soak your bed.[/QUOTE]If either your dick or your fingers function in the least, grab a couple of extra towel, LOL.

[QUOTE=MrLarryDong;5885018]
I'm in my late 30's so I think I'm in the younger crowd of SD. Anyone thinks this makes a difference in success rate? Or is it all about the money? I would never offer more than 4 for PPM so I think that was an issue too, a lot of GPS, I'm assuming that's still the case. But I am looking for good looking girls, not old fat women looking to be anyone's cum dumpster. I'm not looking for a unicorn either but if it sounds like I am, please let me know so I can lower expectations or possibly avoid the SB / SD game for the time being.[/QUOTE]So much of what you asked about varies from person to person. Like there are some women that guys here call really hot that I just don't find attractive. And at the same time, my favorite SB is a girl that some guys here said was "not worth it" when they discussed her asking price. I think being younger and fit definitely helps, so that's in your favor, but you do have to have some money and conversation skills as well if you want to secure lower rates and better service. I think your limit of $4 gets plenty great looking SBs and in fact, if you have enough game to get them to like you a little, then it's easy to get away with $2 or less as time goes on.

But at the same time, I think about how some SBs have complained to me that the guys with the most money are the ones who want a 5'10" blonde super model so maybe they're talking about you here? There's no way to know if your expectations are too high because of the huge variety of women that men will call "attractive". I will say this though -- if you honestly think that you're doing your best to seduce these women and you find that $4 doesn't get you anything you want to have all the time, then you might be right in thinking that this isn't for you because while I think that that's plenty of ammo to get whatever you want, perhaps the truth is that I just like ugly girls.

[QUOTE=MrLarryDong;5885018]Hey guys,

Looking to get back in the game after a year and change off. Want to see the general consensus of the success rate people are having and if it's even worth it.

I can say about 2 years ago, it was mostly a waste of time. I was able to bag one chick that was young and cute but it took a lot of work to find her, and she later ghosted me. She was really ideal too but if I didn't find her, I'd say it wasn't worth it (it barely was even with this chick).

I'm in my late 30's so I think I'm in the younger crowd of SD. Anyone thinks this makes a difference in success rate? Or is it all about the money? I would never offer more than 4 for PPM so I think that was an issue too, a lot of GPS, I'm assuming that's still the case. But I am looking for good looking girls, not old fat women looking to be anyone's cum dumpster. I'm not looking for a unicorn either but if it sounds like I am, please let me know so I can lower expectations or possibly avoid the SB / SD game for the time being.[/QUOTE]The Seattle area is tough. Branch out to surrounding cities / states and you will yield better results. In some areas in the US, you can find 500 for a whole weekend with a hot coed. YMMV depending on location.

Don't lower your expectations but modify your game a little bit. I always wine and dine potential SBs and they seem to get more invested. I don't bother with discussing a PPM until the very last moment and only if it's brought up by the SB. Not sure where in the process you are failing but if there's a pattern then change up your tactics.

[QUOTE=MrLarryDong;5885018]Hey guys,

Looking to get back in the game after a year and change off. Want to see the general consensus of the success rate people are having and if it's even worth it.

I can say about 2 years ago, it was mostly a waste of time. I was able to bag one chick that was young and cute but it took a lot of work to find her, and she later ghosted me. She was really ideal too but if I didn't find her, I'd say it wasn't worth it (it barely was even with this chick).

I'm in my late 30's so I think I'm in the younger crowd of SD. Anyone thinks this makes a difference in success rate? Or is it all about the money? I would never offer more than 4 for PPM so I think that was an issue too, a lot of GPS, I'm assuming that's still the case. But I am looking for good looking girls, not old fat women looking to be anyone's cum dumpster. I'm not looking for a unicorn either but if it sounds like I am, please let me know so I can lower expectations or possibly avoid the SB / SD game for the time being.[/QUOTE]You shouldn't have a problem if you are patient and understand the game.

Keep in mind that you should expect that about 90 percent of the profiles you see are either fake, have wildly unrealistic expectations, are grossly unsuitable, or just plain unappealing. That still leaves a lot of opportunities so have some patience with yourself.

My own experience is that if you are staying in a pretty nice hotel (I don't live in Seattle) and take them to a high-end restaurant four times out of five you will be taking her to pound town that night. You make it easier for them to decide that if you are reasonably attractive and fit.

Also a lot of these girls kind of freak out about what they are doing and what they did for money, so it isn't surprising if they sometimes ghost you. Again if you make it easy for them the odds of that happening go down.

[QUOTE=MrLarryDong;5885018]Hey guys,

Looking to get back in the game after a year and change off. Want to see the general consensus of the success rate people are having and if it's even worth it.

I can say about 2 years ago, it was mostly a waste of time. I was able to bag one chick that was young and cute but it took a lot of work to find her, and she later ghosted me. She was really ideal too but if I didn't find her, I'd say it wasn't worth it (it barely was even with this chick).

I'm in my late 30's so I think I'm in the younger crowd of SD. Anyone thinks this makes a difference in success rate? Or is it all about the money? I would never offer more than 4 for PPM so I think that was an issue too, a lot of GPS, I'm assuming that's still the case. But I am looking for good looking girls, not old fat women looking to be anyone's cum dumpster. I'm not looking for a unicorn either but if it sounds like I am, please let me know so I can lower expectations or possibly avoid the SB / SD game for the time being.[/QUOTE]I've found the few times I've been on there a handful of women willing to do $300 but the GPS is stupid high here. The good news is the chances of a recession is pretty good and that could lead to lower prices if a lot of the guys making 100 to 200 k a year start getting laid off and now can't pay these girls stupid amounts of money.

Let's face it, one part of the problem are those who give gps allowances (I think these guys are a minority in quantity) BUT the other part are those tik tok, youtube, podcasts etc where young women talk crazy things about being SBs and getting ridiculous amounts of money just to say hi to a SD.

These women are painting a non existing reality for women that later go to SA using those ideas as the way reality is with a SD.

Also, I firmly belive these women saying online the GPS bunch of lies have actually never been a SB.

[QUOTE=Spacehog;5886635]I've found the few times I've been on there a handful of women willing to do $300 but the GPS is stupid high here. The good news is the chances of a recession is pretty good and that could lead to lower prices if a lot of the guys making 100 to 200 k a year start getting laid off and now can't pay these girls stupid amounts of money.[/QUOTE]

Hi all -.

SDM just isn't cutting it! It is fine and there are a few women who are DTF, but SA is vastly superior. Has anyone had luck with customer service arguing a ban? Or is there a new trick to get around their tracking? I'd be VERY grateful for some insights, feel free to PM me. I can offer specific intel on several women who are still on the site (and share memories of dozens who have moved on). Thank you!

Wants 800 per meet LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2cdb1896-9aef-4a66-863a-f5fe7d5b0e41[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5887928]Wants 800 per meet LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2cdb1896-9aef-4a66-863a-f5fe7d5b0e41[/URL][/QUOTE]I really dig her looks but not enough for 800.

I do too. Except she can't host and is a little further north for me.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5888360]I really dig her looks but not enough for 800.[/QUOTE]

What is SDM?

[QUOTE=DrTraveler;5887582]Hi all -.

SDM just isn't cutting it! It is fine and there are a few women who are DTF, but SA is vastly superior. Has anyone had luck with customer service arguing a ban? Or is there a new trick to get around their tracking? I'd be VERY grateful for some insights, feel free to PM me. I can offer specific intel on several women who are still on the site (and share memories of dozens who have moved on). Thank you![/QUOTE]