"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5949534]It could well be that your suggestion is completely tongue-in-cheek, but they are for real and answer the phone and have outcall stripper rates, so let's take it seriously for a minute.

They charge 300 for a party and 240 one on one. I didn't inquire but I would imagine extras beyond "dancing" could be had for an additional fee, which would be typical of any escort service if that in fact is what this masquerades as. The girls on the site look very attractive and they say there is no bait and switching.

This is too rich and "professional" for my blood. I prefer real amateurs, without the introductory fee. As for the "dancing?" I can see a whole boatload of strippers for the price of a few drinks and some tips, and I have done so more times than I can count, including recruiting many of then for after hour pay for play. But maybe some brave SD can TOFTT and let us know if this is worth considering.

I respectfully disagree with you that the game of sugar is not to be savored but rather only the pleasure. The pleasure is certainly the prime objective, but the game can definitely also be enjoyed.[/QUOTE]I'm assuming PTG is not from RVA area because Sirens has been reviewed here before as a SB alternative; some good some not so good reviews. But I totally agree with VetSD about instant gratification. There is nothing about Sirens being tongue and cheek. And I'm not sure why you would disparage them if you haven't used the service other than making an inquiry phone call or just reading their web site? Yes, I have used the service before and will continue. Of course, it's expensive but it's all relative to what you can afford and willing to spend for a date. You pay the agency fee and you take it from there when the chick shows up; and if you appear not to be arrogant creep, they tend not to watch the clock. To be real beyond being the tongue and cheek illusion that these chicks are actually strippers or escorts; as they say YMMV but these girls are absolutely gorgeous very low volume chicks who have normal lives outside of what they do on the side so to speak.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5949534]It could well be that your suggestion is completely tongue-in-cheek, but they are for real and answer the phone and have outcall stripper rates, so let's take it seriously for a minute.

They charge 300 for a party and 240 one on one. I didn't inquire but I would imagine extras beyond "dancing" could be had for an additional fee, which would be typical of any escort service if that in fact is what this masquerades as. The girls on the site look very attractive and they say there is no bait and switching.

This is too rich and "professional" for my blood. I prefer real amateurs, without the introductory fee. As for the "dancing?" I can see a whole boatload of strippers for the price of a few drinks and some tips, and I have done so more times than I can count, including recruiting many of then for after hour pay for play. But maybe some brave SD can TOFTT and let us know if this is worth considering.

I respectfully disagree with you that the game of sugar is not to be savored but rather only the pleasure. The pleasure is certainly the prime objective, but the game can definitely also be enjoyed.[/QUOTE]HA. I'm starting to think your motive here is "[B]dating above your weight with a fail-safe plan[/B]. " [I] Fail-safe == add-more-money[/I].

So while the fucking is fun, it's really about the ego high that comes from getting on in the wild for cheap? Or even not cheap?

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5949894]HA. I'm starting to think your motive here is "[B]dating above your weight with a fail-safe plan[/B]. " [I] Fail-safe == add-more-money[/I].

So while the fucking is fun, it's really about the ego high that comes from getting on in the wild for cheap? Or even not cheap?[/QUOTE]Rodger that Rodger just had to say that. Sorry, Yeah add more money on the cheap in the wild, yep. C'Mon. Hop in my Prius to the airport and I'll take you on a ride in my G650 to Monaco. And It's all for free.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5949534]It could well be that your suggestion is completely tongue-in-cheek, but they are for real and answer the phone and have outcall stripper rates, so let's take it seriously for a minute.
They charge 300 for a party and 240 one on one. I didn't This is too rich and "professional" for my blood. I prefer real amateurs, without the introductory fee.

I respectfully disagree with you that the game of sugar is not to be savored but rather only the pleasure. The pleasure is certainly the prime objective, but the game can definitely also be enjoyed.[/QUOTE]SirensVA is an outcall service and your walk-in price quote is a little off. It can go up-and-down depending on how many people are going to be there, how many girls they have available, if you're in RVA, and if you're calling last minute, etc. The girls get almost all of the walk-in money. SA girls are also not girls in the wild. Girls from sirens are mostly SA girls who are tired of the bullshit on SA. Unlike you, they're tired of guys trying to play games with them. They are ready to please with no hassle as long as you pay with no hassle. Chicks tend to get turned off sexually when they have money dangled over their heads. They want to know they're going to get their money and how much they're going to get, and then they're willing to do whatever we want to make us happy. A lot of guys on SA want to feel some sense of false power by dangling money over the girl's heads. I'm trying to get laid, I don't need my ass kissed first. I don't need to pay for attention. I pay for good pussy that pampers me in- person in real life.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5949894]HA. I'm starting to think your motive here is "[B]dating above your weight with a fail-safe plan[/B]. " [I] Fail-safe == add-more-money[/I].

So while the fucking is fun, it's really about the ego high that comes from getting on in the wild for cheap? Or even not cheap?[/QUOTE]I like your turn of phrase. I would add one word to make it more accurate: "WAY, "as in "WAY Above Your Weight. " After all, I am spotting most of these girls in the wild 35 to 40 years. This is Sugar Granddaddy territory. LOL.

The fucking IS fun and so is the ego high. Without the fucking though, the ego high doesn't count for much. I can successfully flirt with just about anyone, but moving that to panties dropping is the real ego high.

As for cheap? The price is the price. But there is no "fail safe plan." You either convince an amateur in the wild to sleep with you or you don't. She usually doesn't say no to $$ but yes to $$$$$. At least, that has never been my experience. They normally agree before the price is even negotiated. They haven't really thought much about a price like a pro has. The money is just the part where there is a meeting of the minds on how much it is worth.

I can afford expensive tail, but I choose value for my money. Wild tail for me is the best value: true amateur, clean girl next door type, with a terrific attitude and willingness to please and do just about anything I want. The price range for that depends on the girl and her level of intelligence (smarter girls are better negotiators and have higher compensation expectations), looks (obviously affects price) and financial circumstances (poorer girls are much more flexible on price). The price bracket for that has been pretty steady for a while now and ranges from $ to $$$. It doesn't matter much to me where the girl is in this range as long as I get what I want. Of course, if I can get the same thing for $ as $$$, why not?

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5919670]Not sure about anybody else but I get ghosted quite a bit. It's part of the game for every 10 that does it there's one or two legit players. For me it's about numbers. The more I do odds are I get a nibble. I also use other sites like BLK and tinder. BLK has been pretty productive for me. But I have no SO so it's easier with those sites posting a picture and all. And surprisingly there are ton of want to be SB's on there novice's and the seasoned veterans. Be safe.[/QUOTE]That sounds about right. I make contact with about 1 in 7 after we exchange numbers. Sometimes I am the one that causes the no meet, because of some requirement for advance payment (NEVER do this- I have learned repeatedly by mistakes), or too high a rate for the product / service offered. It's harder than it looks. Also, ghosting is a big part of the game as well, either ghosting on the text string or the meet itself.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5912633]I could not agree more. This is the reason I only see SBs, and don't pursue blatant escorts putting themselves out there on the internet. Someone who has a menu, a time limit, who agrees to have sex w / someone by texting without having ever met them. They first are no one I would ever f* and second, meet my definition of escort.

I am after the GFE experience. I have had girls I have met from SA give me more of an escort experience, not totally, but still. And I didn't see them again. I have had ongoing and exclusive relationships with girls I met from SA as well. And given that I am retirement age and they were in the 20-40 year old range, I'm pretty proud of that. Great great experiences. Memories to take to the grave.[/QUOTE]Agree 100. I have had longer-term arrangements (lasting about a year), and it can be the total GFE if that's what you want. Some are pretty smart and good companions, like the courtesans of old. Dinner, shows, overnights, etc. And some of the girls will DO ANYTHING! Nasty, nasty, hot young girls. I am 59 and the age gap is often 35 years or more. DISCLAIMER: I will take a BBBJWS from a hot escort! Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5835387]Very active Snapchat feed of lingerie pics, OF page no doubt has the fleshy ones.

Two months ago said she was happy to be free of her BF, offered to meet in person and she never replied via text or Snap or SA.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. She will text, etc. Even for long periods of time. I offered her up to 2 K (we covet what we see, and when the chairman of the board (e. G. My p*nis) weighs in, all bets are off).

And she said she would meet. I thought it was going to happen but ghosted at the point of setting a date. On this board, I have found NO ONE who has met her IRL. I thought I was going to make it happen. .

[QUOTE=MikeJones1962;5950931]Agree 100. I have had longer-term arrangements (lasting about a year), and it can be the total GFE if that's what you want. Some are pretty smart and good companions, like the courtesans of old. Dinner, shows, overnights, etc. And some of the girls will DO ANYTHING! Nasty, nasty, hot young girls. I am 59 and the age gap is often 35 years or more. DISCLAIMER: I will take a BBBJWS from a hot escort! Happy mongering![/QUOTE]I'm not going to "make-believe" that I'm actually dating these girls. The sheer fact that we have to negotiate with SBs means that if we don't agree to give them a certain amount of money, they wouldn't touch us with a 10-ft pole. It means that anytime spent with us is excruciating for them and they have to hold down their vomit and laugh at all of our jokes so they can get their money. You're paying someone for their time, you're paying them to be there. If they weren't getting paid what they want, they wouldn't be there. I have no idea how some of you guys can misconstrue that into them liking you in some way. That's absurd; they need financial help. They might lie and say they like you. If your boss asked you if you really liked him as a person, wouldn't you say yes with a big smile on your face? Of course you would. Common sense.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5903096]Let's say you had the power to regulate the price of sugar. What would happen? Some sellers of sugar might refuse to accept the regulated price. A shortage would develop. Some buyers of sugar would be willing to pay more than the regulated price. Those buyers and sellers would find one another. It's called a black market. Those with spendable cash will find the products and services they desire, regardless of the legality of the transaction. The market for pussy is illegal; it's already a black market. LE can come down hard and slow it down, but you can't stop it and you can't regulate it. You most certainly can't complain about it and expect the black market forces to behave the way you want them to.

To requote a truism:[/QUOTE]Agree. The thing about black markets is there is no pricing transparency and that sucks. I am grateful for boards such as this that give additional information on price points other than my own dataset. The market ALWAYS determines the price point, for better or worse.

[QUOTE=GoldJack;5950471]SirensVA is an outcall service and your walk-in price quote is a little off. It can go up-and-down depending on how many people are going to be there, how many girls they have available, if you're in RVA, and if you're calling last minute, etc. The girls get almost all of the walk-in money..[/QUOTE]They advertise as a stripper service. When I called they quoted me prices. I have never used them, and haven't used an outcall service in years, so I took the information they shared at face value.

If they get most of the walk-in money as you claim then it is unlike a typical escort service where the escort service gets most of that and the girls mostly get what they can negotiate as a "tip. " It sounds more like a group of semi-pros who have pooled their resources and pay some girl to answer the phone and make appointments? If so, that sounds pretty smart to me. Paying a middle-man in an escort service most of your walk-in money has to sting like a ***** and makes escorts far more expensive than they need to be.

[QUOTE]SA girls are also not girls in the wild. Girls from sirens are mostly SA girls who are tired of the bullshit on SA. Unlike you, they're tired of guys trying to play games with them. They are ready to please with no hassle as long as you pay with no hassle. Chicks tend to get turned off sexually when they have money dangled over their heads. They want to know they're going to get their money and how much they're going to get, and then they're willing to do whatever we want to make us happy. A lot of guys on SA want to feel some sense of false power by dangling money over the girl's heads. I'm trying to get laid, I don't need my ass kissed first. I don't need to pay for attention. I pay for good pussy that pampers me in- person in real life.[/QUOTE]That sounds great for as far as it goes: like a call-in sugar site without the games. You pay for her to show up; she reliably does and as advertised. You get some attractive, fun pussy on demand. The only remaining question is what value do you get for your money? In a more typical SB situation you can negotiate a volume discount: you are going to do this regularly. It sounds like this is more typically a one-shot deal, and that would usually cost more. So how much are we talking all-in, walk in money plus "tip?

Also, I would never have an outcall to my residence. Too many potential problems either then or down the road. So a hotel cost would be assumed. But that would be the same as any SB situation.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1c7450e9-a8e1-4ead-8fe4-1e5e166ee8a8[/URL]

Saw her a couple of times. Probably paid too much, but she will do whatever. Not that great of body, but has a reasonable attitude and is definitely into it. Staying at a reasonably nice hotel on the West end. She will come to you as well. Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=GoldJack;5950471]SirensVA is an outcall service Girls from sirens are mostly SA girls who are tired of the bullshit on SA. Unlike you, they're tired of guys trying to play games with them. They are ready to please with no hassle as long as you pay with no hassle. Chicks tend to get turned off sexually when they have money dangled over their heads. They want to know they're going to get their money and how much they're going to get, and then they're willing to do whatever we want to make us happy. A lot of guys on SA want to feel some sense of false power by dangling money over the girl's heads. I'm trying to get laid, I don't need my ass kissed first. I don't need to pay for attention. I pay for good pussy that pampers me in- person in real life.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Taylor and Alyssa are my favs hands down. Aim to please.

[QUOTE=JkRussell;5951011]Totally agree. Taylor and Alyssa are my favs hands down. Aim to please.[/QUOTE]Hannah and Hailey are my top choices. I've read a lot of great reviews about Katelyn too on the forum.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1fa2c5f2-5dff-4ad0-8475-5851d3526c0d[/URL]

Here is another one. She is nice, and reasonably smart (speaks German and Russian; excellent English). Reasonable overnight rate. Comes to you. Good girl IMO. YMMV. Happy mongering. .