"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

We've been getting a lot of discussion on that lately.

I have a technique I used for a frazzled single mom who is working hard and not a dummy, a real amateur and aspiring sub. And, believe me, I think many if not most of the amateur girls on the site are subs, even if they don't realize it.

Here is actual messaging from SA w / her:

Me: You say you are confident in what you do. So do you have to be 'on' all the time? Are you longing for a time you don't have to be on, and that is why you want to be with a man who will take control?

Her: Yes that is correct. I do want for someone to take control. How are you so good at knowing this haha.

She feels like she is being understood, and this increases the likelihood of getting her to the FC.

And I think this is a pretty common thing for this type. They want you to pick the restaurant. They want you to tell them what to do in bed. They're tired of having to be responsible.

[QUOTE=Round3;5941135]I saw her pre covid regularly when her hair was short and curly. Definitely dtf back then as we met straight at hotel. Has some GPS but did come down on her initial price. Did not host and I met her in downtown Ricmond hotels near her job after 5 when she got off. Covered FS.[/QUOTE]Met her a couple years ago also. She also has a friend who used to be on the site, and they said they were sometimes open to meeting together as well. Schedules never worked out for that, but they were both fun and I've thought about trying again now that I see her on SA again.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5943401]We've been getting a lot of discussion on that lately.

I have a technique I used for a frazzled single mom who is working hard and not a dummy, a real amateur and aspiring sub. And, believe me, I think many if not most of the amateur girls on the site are subs, even if they don't realize it.



And I think this is a pretty common thing for this type. They want you to pick the restaurant. They want you to tell them what to do in bed. They're tired of having to be responsible.[/QUOTE]I have heard this so many times. Brainwashed by the "you can have it all" but then they realize how hard it is to be a mom, wife and boss -- someone always wants something from them and no one thinks of them. As one told me "I jsut want to turn off my brain and not have to make a single decision and just let someone have their way with me, decide what needs to be done to get me off and do it. And anything else they want ".

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5943401]We've been getting a lot of discussion on that lately.

I have a technique I used for a frazzled single mom who is working hard and not a dummy, a real amateur and aspiring sub. And, believe me, I think many if not most of the amateur girls on the site are subs, even if they don't realize it.[/QUOTE]This is quite true of sugaring in the wild as well, which has many parallels like this to sugaring on sites. The most likely candidates for considering this for the first time are subs. It is useful to recognize one when you see one and / or talk to one.

[QUOTE]Here is actual messaging from SA w / her:

Me: You say you are confident in what you do. So do you have to be 'on' all the time? Are you longing for a time you don't have to be on, and that is why you want to be with a man who will take control?

Her: Yes that is correct. I do want for someone to take control. How are you so good at knowing this haha.

She feels like she is being understood, and this increases the likelihood of getting her to the FC.[/QUOTE]Great approach. You were wise to explore in this way. Asking questions is the way to understanding who she is and what motivates her, and is the point of expanding the conversation in the first place. Once you know this to any degree (but especially if a sub or POT sub), she feels that you "understand" her and you have the golden key to the FC.

[QUOTE]And I think this is a pretty common thing for this type. They want you to pick the restaurant. They want you to tell them what to do in bed. They're tired of having to be responsible.[/QUOTE]I am dominant by nature. That doesn't mean I am some bent freak or sadist who wants to chain them up and whip them. But I do prefer a sub type and the vast majority of SBs I have been with were of this type in one way or another. They love to be controlled and I love to control: a perfect interactive combination of mutual satisfaction. And the age difference often works in your favor in these situations.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5943401]We've been getting a lot of discussion on that lately.

I have a technique I used for a frazzled single mom who is working hard and not a dummy, a real amateur and aspiring sub. And, believe me, I think many if not most of the amateur girls on the site are subs, even if they don't realize it.

Here is actual messaging from SA w / her:

Me: You say you are confident in what you do. So do you have to be 'on' all the time? Are you longing for a time you don't have to be on, and that is why you want to be with a man who will take control?

Her: Yes that is correct. I do want for someone to take control. How are you so good at knowing this haha.

She feels like she is being understood, and this increases the likelihood of getting her to the FC.

And I think this is a pretty common thing for this type. They want you to pick the restaurant. They want you to tell them what to do in bed. They're tired of having to be responsible.[/QUOTE]I'll concur that 90% of these women are submissive and wanted to give up the "control" they have in their regular day to day lives. Especially if they're mid college and older. I've found so many that want that different experience that they haven't been able to tap into.

[QUOTE=ErkTheOne;5943937]Met her a couple years ago also. She also has a friend who used to be on the site, and they said they were sometimes open to meeting together as well. Schedules never worked out for that, but they were both fun and I've thought about trying again now that I see her on SA again.[/QUOTE]She has a new number now. Her friend is Tiffany but I don't know what she is doing post covid. Both are very friendly. Dawn was utr pro pre covid. No m&g needed.

So I go in my local bodega and wander over to the rack with the prepaid cards on it and grabbed the old trsusty OneVanilla Card! It's in the same place it always has been located, so kinda a no brainer. Go pay, everything is cool.

But I get home and WTF! This card says SecureSpend, not OneVanilla! I mean the card looks nearly exactly identical!

So I'm hoping I didn't just get ripped off. Oh well at the worst, I'll just use the SecureSpend to purchase a OneVanilla card, the only loss will be the $6. 95 fee!

Now off to SA to see if this B&S card works anyway.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5948468]So I go in my local bodega and wander over to the rack with the prepaid cards on it and grabbed the old trsusty OneVanilla Card! It's in the same place it always has been located, so kinda a no brainer. Go pay, everything is cool.

But I get home and WTF! This card says SecureSpend, not OneVanilla! I mean the card looks nearly exactly identical!

So I'm hoping I didn't just get ripped off. Oh well at the worst, I'll just use the SecureSpend to purchase a OneVanilla card, the only loss will be the $6. 95 fee!

Now off to SA to see if this B&S card works anyway.[/QUOTE]When I was married I made a significant effort to hide my mongering and sugaring activities from the ball and chain. "Business" trips and meetings were cover for most of the time commitment to this hobby. Paperless technology allowed me to hide my secret bank account. (In the old days I needed to have statements sent to my business address.) Fortunately for me I had sources of income the wife knew nothing about, I did my own finances and taxes, and I could keep my hobby funded without questions asked. Prepaid credit cards hid the paper trail. Before those I also had the bills sent to my office. Paperless technology today makes hiding financial transactions much simpler. Burner phones were (and still are) a must to keep my identity secret and also to eliminate a paper trail. In the time before burner phones a business address or PO Box was a handy depository for paper telephone bills.

Despite my success in keeping everything on the QT, there was constant suspicion. Unless you have a spouse who is brain dead she will eventually question all of the office overtime and trips and you need to have constant vigilance regarding paper receipts from restaurants and hotels, most especially if they were local. Sugaring locally was also dangerous because you might be seen by her or someone she knows. One slip and you would have her looking over your shoulder constantly. And then there was the proverbial lipstick or make-up on your collar and/or perfume smell on your clothes or person. While keeping up the secret wall is easier with today's technology, I don't miss having to pay a lot of attention to keep my mongering and sugaring life private. Not to mention the forever worry about picking up an STD.

Now I can dedicate whatever time and money I choose to this hobby and not have to worry about slipping up and having to give away half my stuff. I will have to admit that, while the age difference has increased and made sugaring much more challenging, I would rather this than doing it in my younger days and having to spend so much energy keeping it from a live-in SO. Vive la liberte.

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Now I can dedicate whatever time and money I choose to this hobby and not have to worry about slipping up and having to give away half my stuff. I will have to admit that, while the age difference has increased and made sugaring much more challenging, I would rather this than doing it in my younger days and having to spend so much energy keeping it from a live-in SO. Vive la liberte.[/QUOTE]Hey PTG, ran across something ad thought I would ask. Found a website dedicated to local models and actors, replete with head shots and statistics. But what was intriguing is that many of the profiles had email addresses included. So relative to recent convo here about sugaring in the wild, wondered what the level of difficulty might be involved and any special techniques or approaches?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5948863]Hey PTG, ran across something ad thought I would ask. Found a website dedicated to local models and actors, replete with head shots and statistics. But what was intriguing is that many of the profiles had email addresses included. So relative to recent convo here about sugaring in the wild, wondered what the level of difficulty might be involved and any special techniques or approaches?[/QUOTE]That is very intriguing. One could pose as an amateur photographer and offer TFP. That stands for "Time For Print" (or "Trade For Print" ). This is a common term in modeling to describe an arrangement whereby the model or actress provides her time in exchange for receiving good images for promotional prints. During such a session one would have an opportunity to engage in conversation privately and gauge interest for a SB arrangement, not to mention convincing her to shed some clothing for hot pics! All of my advice regarding sugaring in the wild would apply.

Send this one a message. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/76b290a7-7d53-4c5c-9323-e7a7edc11618[/URL].

Started a convo on SA a couple of weeks ago then she wanted to switch to text. Without asking she immediately started sending pics and videos. No mention of an allowance at all, she just wants to go to the FC it seems. Have not sampled and do not plan to but wanted to share for those that may be interested. Lives on Cary downtown and can host.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5948880]That is very intriguing. One could pose as an amateur photographer and offer TFP. That stands for "Time For Print" (or "Trade For Print" ). This is a common term in modeling to describe an arrangement whereby the model or actress provides her time in exchange for receiving good images for promotional prints. During such a session one would have an opportunity to engage in conversation privately and gauge interest for a SB arrangement, not to mention convincing her to shed some clothing for hot pics! All of my advice regarding sugaring in the wild would apply.[/QUOTE]IMO, this TFP strategy is a bit outdated due to social media and quite honestly the amount of "Photographers" (Myself included) used this strategy over the last 10-15 years. You'd have to catch them VERY early on and be quick because there's many still trying to find the scraps. I did this on Model Mayhem and found a ton of good prospects.

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;5949007]IMO, this TFP strategy is a bit outdated due to social media and quite honestly the amount of "Photographers" (Myself included) used this strategy over the last 10-15 years. You'd have to catch them VERY early on and be quick because there's many still trying to find the scraps. I did this on Model Mayhem and found a ton of good prospects.[/QUOTE]I agree that once they are on line and advertising on a modeling site the prospects dim a bit that you will find one who hasn't gone down the TFP trail and had a negative experience. However, naivete abounds in the wild, which makes it such an ideal hunting ground. I have used various versions of the TFP approach with success as a useful sub-strategy when sugaring in the wild.

[QUOTE=Ares999;5942757] I guess I'm just overly paranoid ever since all the me too stuff human resources at my job has really drilled into us to be extremely careful. I have a lot of young female subordinates and 'm always worried about saying something that might be considered inappropriate and get me accused of sexual harassment. That worry has probably carried over into my interactions outside the office as well. [/QUOTE]My brothers. You are making this way more difficult than it has to be. If you're tired of all the hassle of SA or you're having a problem getting the girls to meet up with you, then just call [URL]SirensVA.com[/URL].

If you enjoy small talk and texting back-and-forth on SA but don't actually want to meet someone in real-life then text away on SA. I'm not a teenager and I don't have time to text all day about nothing. I want to have sex with a hot chick who's there to please me. I'm not into the whole "game" part of sugar pleasure, I'm only into the pleasure part.

[QUOTE=VetSD;5949347]My brothers. You are making this way more difficult than it has to be. If you're tired of all the hassle of SA or you're having a problem getting the girls to meet up with you, then just call [URL]SirensVA.com[/URL].

If you enjoy small talk and texting back-and-forth on SA but don't actually want to meet someone in real-life then text away on SA. I'm not a teenager and I don't have time to text all day about nothing. I want to have sex with a hot chick who's there to please me. I'm not into the whole "game" part of sugar pleasure, I'm only into the pleasure part.[/QUOTE]It could well be that your suggestion is completely tongue-in-cheek, but they are for real and answer the phone and have outcall stripper rates, so let's take it seriously for a minute.

They charge 300 for a party and 240 one on one. I didn't inquire but I would imagine extras beyond "dancing" could be had for an additional fee, which would be typical of any escort service if that in fact is what this masquerades as. The girls on the site look very attractive and they say there is no bait and switching.

This is too rich and "professional" for my blood. I prefer real amateurs, without the introductory fee. As for the "dancing?" I can see a whole boatload of strippers for the price of a few drinks and some tips, and I have done so more times than I can count, including recruiting many of then for after hour pay for play. But maybe some brave SD can TOFTT and let us know if this is worth considering.

I respectfully disagree with you that the game of sugar is not to be savored but rather only the pleasure. The pleasure is certainly the prime objective, but the game can definitely also be enjoyed.