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[QUOTE=RyanE36;5470799]Fair points. I guess I was thinking along the lines of if we're hanging out for a couple hours, a couple times a month, and the allowance / gift was averaging out to 20-30 bucks an hour, it might not be that lucrative for her if she was just trying to play me. But we still haven't settled on numbers yet, so she could want a lot more.
One girl I was talking to some time ago seemed really chill at first, and then said she wanted 3 k / month. But if that was a lot all at once I could give it to her in installments, 1 k every 10 days.[/QUOTE]Those girls are either a scam or suffer from Golden Pussy syndrome. Either way I will usually block them and move on. In my several years time using SA, I would estimate about 5-10% of my initial messages would result in a conversation, and less then that would result in a date. And when I say date, I mean getting laid. YMMV.
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[QUOTE=Jedi69;5470148]Wrong. You never invite a hooker in your own home. Her gangbanger BF sitting in their beat up Honda parked in your driveway casing your place while you fuck her on the couch where you sleep at night.
Don't shit in your own backyard, especially if you live in one of the most expensive zip codes in CA. That's what hotels are for.[/QUOTE]You're right it's safer no doubt. It's always better to meet somewhere else first if you plan to bring the girl to your place. I got my own place in a safe area have banged over 250 SA girls over the years. This is only for guys who are very experienced with SA. Obviously saves a ton of money if you have a regular its more comfortable and convenient for you.
There are risks, but if you are cautious you should be fine. Out of the 250 + I've banged only had issues 3 times.
One ***** stole my sunglasses, I got them back because she wanted to see me again, of course I never let her near my place again. Hide valuables.
Another one threw a pizza I ordered on the floor because she turned out to be a shitty, poor service escort that didn't want to do anything she agreed and gave me hey I have to go pick up my friend And I'll come back. So I gave her 60 told her her this isn't working for me and we're not a good fit and not to come back If you are going to reject someone, do it in a safe place. For 3/250, I'll take my chances. But lesson learned is reject outside of your place.
I've scored tons of gems. Truly regular college girls that are not seasoned hustlers, former strippers, escorts. True girls next door that are sweethearts and freaks in bed. Since the pandemic, the gems are fewer and fewer. I just came off the worst SA month I've ever had. Usually bang 12 minimum per monthly subscription. Out of the ones I bang, usually 3 will be worth a repeat for me and adding into a regular rotation.
Since the inception of cash app / Venmo, only fans, etc, quality of girls has dropped significantly. Have a spine, don't tolerate any bull shit. New girls are joining everyday. The best are the ones you get to mold into whatever you desire.
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[QUOTE=RyanE36;5470799]Fair points. I guess I was thinking along the lines of if we're hanging out for a couple hours, a couple times a month, and the allowance / gift was averaging out to 20-30 bucks an hour, it might not be that lucrative for her if she was just trying to play me. But we still haven't settled on numbers yet, so she could want a lot more.
One girl I was talking to some time ago seemed really chill at first, and then said she wanted 3 k / month. But if that was a lot all at once I could give it to her in installments, 1 k every 10 days.[/QUOTE]You can proceed in whatever way suits your needs. If she wants to just hang out and talk because she's lonely, OK. I don't provide any allowance just to be graced by their presence or watch them stuff their pie hole. I make it clear, no hunny no munny. See how well that goes over with these fakers. No allowance or gratuity for their time. They have something you want, you have something they want. If they don't want to take care of and keep you happy, NEXT. Giving $ away or overpaying promotes and encourages scams and GPS. There are others out there albeit it sounds like the scams and fakers are taking over. Keep at it and find a real sb, they are out there
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Bump of an old post. Can add to #5. Lot of fakes, wannabe sb's due to bad advising on the crap social media.
[QUOTE=Waxxon;4119520]Welcome to the Bowl. First off, it is a learning process, is time consuming, can be frustrating if you let it get to you, but the bottom line it is very rewarding when you're reaping the fruits of your effort.
There are some basic tips / rules.
1. Do not forward $ in advance, or buy them a car and she says she will pay you back etc. Or you will learn the hard way. There are all kinds of stories of SD's losing out, even to an SB you "trust". Buyer beware.
2. Do not pay for M&G, this just encourages and perpetuates the problem. We all have something the other side wants. No honey. No money.
3. Do not overpay. Aka GPS. This is obviously subjective and some cities command higher allowances. Two. Three hundred seems acceptable to many sb's for a couple hours of their time. Not many jobs provide that kind of hourly compensation. Do the math. Of course, this is a free country and they can ask for whatever they want, and you can pay whatever you want. Simple market economics. There are a lot of fish out there, and you may not get the one that you "must have" unless you cough up big allowance. Give it a day, there will be other opportunities.
4. Have a rotation of as many sb's as you can handle physically and financially. It's not unheard of having a rotation of 4-5, some drop off for one reason or another, you may have 1 or two that are your #1 or #2 sb with some options that you keep in your harem.
5. There seem to be a lot more pros out there, you will quickly sense which ones. Nothing wrong with pros, I like them.
6. Develop some game.
7. Age is a personal preference. Everyone has what they feel is their sweet spot.
8. Don't let flakiness, no call no show (NCNS), ghosting, bother you. It happens on both sides. Sure it's irritating, write them off and find one that values your time and generosity as much as you value theirs.
9. Married, it's your choice whether to reveal. Some out there don't want to be home wreckers, some don't care, some prefer it, some will be upset if you mislead them.
10. PPM vs monthly? Most of us do ppm, monthly creates a situation where one side feels they get shortchanged if a date is missed, while there is no incentive for the other side to fulfill the agreement. After you have established a trustworthy sugar relationship, it may work well.
11. Enjoy yourself. Be safe. You're here for a mutually beneficial experience.
I've probably forgotten many things. Other experienced SD's out there with any comments?
Lots of good info on other places here. Visit other threads. See Richmond thread [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RyanE36;5470487].... The vibe I got is something mostly platonic, someone to keep her company now that she's single, until she can find someone more her age to actually date. But who knows what happens when you're cuddling up on a couch watching a movie, right? She was cute, seemed cool, and pretty young. I think potential is there for this to be something good. Should I invest the time for something that may never move past platonic? How much would you give gift wise? Or just an allowance? Start small and see how it goes? Or actually try and nail down numbers we'd both be ok with?[/QUOTE]You are right, she is. She wants the best of both worlds, it is your call to go forward or not. However, I would not pay a cent to meet up for platonic dates. Sure, you can bring food or drinks. You are "paying" her for the platonic date by showing up, let her hang out with you, that's your value. Just think about your friends / family members / business associates, do you pay them to hang out with you?!
Plenty of members have already shared their thoughts, I just want to add something real quick: We work hard for our money (the membership is actually called "Premium") to be on SA. My calendar is already full of platonic meetings, from friends from out of town, to business lunches to potential new ventures. I will pay some and some will even fight for the bill, because they value you being there. Like a member said - Have a spine. If you cave, she will walk all over you and you will never get what you wanted. If you were getting paid by just cuddling, why would you ever put out?
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[QUOTE=RyanE36;5470487]Did a M&G with a girl the other day. Seems pretty cool. Actually I happened to message her on her first day of being on SA. Just went through a divorce, said she has a good job, just needs some emotional and physical support, and would appreciate some gifts here and there. Didn't specify any amounts, or what kinds of gifts. Said she's not necessarily looking for anything sexual right now, but more like platonic cuddling and movie watching and stuff. Also not looking to get involved long term.
Still new to the game, didn't want to potentially ruin something by being too forward. The vibe I got is something mostly platonic, someone to keep her company now that she's single, until she can find someone more her age to actually date. But who knows what happens when you're cuddling up on a couch watching a movie, right? She was cute, seemed cool, and pretty young. I think potential is there for this to be something good. Should I invest the time for something that may never move past platonic? How much would you give gift wise? Or just an allowance? Start small and see how it goes? Or actually try and nail down numbers we'd both be ok with?[/QUOTE]Just try a small gift no more than $100 to see how far can you go on the counch. If you see some progress then keep gifting, if not just backing out.
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[QUOTE=JWalker350;5474956]Just try a small gift no more than $100 to see how far can you go on the counch. If you see some progress then keep gifting, if not just backing out.[/QUOTE]Quick update: took some food over to her place last night. She was a little buzzed already, and went on a tirade about her ex. Then started talking about all the reckless things she's done in the past. Then she finally joined me and started eating dinner. Then we watched some TV, she's continuing to guzzle the wine, meanwhile I'm thinking she's crazy and I need to get out of here. Then she starts getting frisky, but by that point she was way too buzzed for it to be true consensual anything, and with everything she was talking about, I think I'm better off just not seeing her again. Ended up redirecting her attention away from me, and we talked a bit till I made my exit.
Only cost me some food, no cash exchanged. Would've been hot, but not worth her waking up in the morning and thinking I took advantage of her.
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[QUOTE=RyanE36;5488118]Quick update: took some food over to her place last night. She was a little buzzed already, and went on a tirade about her ex. Then started talking about all the reckless things she's done in the past. Then she finally joined me and started eating dinner. Then we watched some TV, she's continuing to guzzle the wine, meanwhile I'm thinking she's crazy and I need to get out of here. Then she starts getting frisky, but by that point she was way too buzzed for it to be true consensual anything, and with everything she was talking about, I think I'm better off just not seeing her again. Ended up redirecting her attention away from me, and we talked a bit till I made my exit.
Only cost me some food, no cash exchanged. Would've been hot, but not worth her waking up in the morning and thinking I took advantage of her.[/QUOTE]Well handled, and good judgment here.
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[QUOTE=RyanE36;5488118]Quick update: took some food over to her place last night. She was a little buzzed already, and went on a tirade about her ex. Then started talking about all the reckless things she's done in the past. Then she finally joined me and started eating dinner. Then we watched some TV, she's continuing to guzzle the wine, meanwhile I'm thinking she's crazy and I need to get out of here. Then she starts getting frisky, but by that point she was way too buzzed for it to be true consensual anything, and with everything she was talking about, I think I'm better off just not seeing her again. Ended up redirecting her attention away from me, and we talked a bit till I made my exit.
Only cost me some food, no cash exchanged. Would've been hot, but not worth her waking up in the morning and thinking I took advantage of her.[/QUOTE]Very smart decision.
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Intel and Info
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/33beda8d-dd46-4913-a0e3-8295b1d68ecb[/URL]
1. Quick to meet, very transactional. Kind rough looking, BBBJ but covered FS. $$ will not repeat.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2845a9cb-c6a6-45cb-9484-9260924fd307[/URL]
2. Larger in life than pics. Nice girl, try's hard to please but wasn't really feeling it. $$ 5 and everything covered-will not repeat.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2cf507f2-cc6d-41f1-b7bb-8332f810e1ee[/URL]
3. This ones on and off SA. Cute, petite, some demons but overall fun. BBBJ, BB, CIP $$ Probably could be talked into anal for right price. Met 5 times but too hard to schedule so letting go.
She talks like she's semi pro but feels like she pretty new. Think its just because she has a few friends in the game she knows the lingo. Mostly likely will not repeat.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/37a96d6d-ca0d-4ffe-a084-e3750d03731d[/URL]
4. Meet and greet. Seemed like she could be talked into more but very dull and not worth the effort.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6debafb6-79bc-4859-852d-a459f9bf097a[/URL]
Her profile use to say "open to anything" now its strictly platonic. I paid the $50 for some nudes (bad drunk decision). She won't do anything sexual. PM me if you have good intel on anyone and I gladly save you $50 and send you the pics.
Any Info.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9b07032-e4dc-4036-80cf-ffffd0d43f3a[/URL]
5. Been talking to this one, seems down to earth. Trying to set up a meet. Any intel?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f28a4132-64bb-4322-b7dd-e7c42c8cecaf[/URL]
6. Talking to this one, she's not new to this. Any intel?
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[QUOTE=CPMachine;5496815][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/33beda8d-dd46-4913-a0e3-8295b1d68ecb[/URL]
1. Quick to meet, very transactional. Kind rough looking, BBBJ but covered FS. $$ will not repeat.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2845a9cb-c6a6-45cb-9484-9260924fd307[/URL]
2. Larger in life than pics. Nice girl, try's hard to please but wasn't really feeling it. $$ 5 and everything covered-will not repeat.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2cf507f2-cc6d-41f1-b7bb-8332f810e1ee[/URL]
3. This ones on and off SA. Cute, petite, some demons but overall fun. BBBJ, BB, CIP $$ Probably could be talked into anal for right price. Met 5 times but too hard to schedule so letting go.
She talks like she's semi pro but feels like she pretty new. Think its just because she has a few friends in the game she knows the lingo. Mostly likely will not repeat.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/37a96d6d-ca0d-4ffe-a084-e3750d03731d[/URL]
4. Meet and greet. Seemed like she could be talked into more but very dull and not worth the effort.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6debafb6-79bc-4859-852d-a459f9bf097a[/URL]
Her profile use to say "open to anything" now its strictly platonic. I paid the $50 for some nudes (bad drunk decision). She won't do anything sexual. PM me if you have good intel on anyone and I gladly save you $50 and send you the pics.
Any Info.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9b07032-e4dc-4036-80cf-ffffd0d43f3a[/URL]
5. Been talking to this one, seems down to earth. Trying to set up a meet. Any intel?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f28a4132-64bb-4322-b7dd-e7c42c8cecaf[/URL]
6. Talking to this one, she's not new to this. Any intel?[/QUOTE]Nice report and thank you for sharing. Just curious, how do you and others deal with the issue of hosting? I can't / won't host at my place, hotels are God awful expensive in SD currently and women who are willing to host are few and far between. Are you all just assuming the cost of hotels as a cost of the hobby?
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[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5498055]Nice report and thank you for sharing. Just curious, how do you and others deal with the issue of hosting? I can't / won't host at my place, hotels are God awful expensive in SD currently and women who are willing to host are few and far between. Are you all just assuming the cost of hotels as a cost of the hobby?[/QUOTE]I am fortunate to have rental property I can take them too but prior to that I was getting a hotel for the first time or 2. And there are some who will host, just have to find the right girl.
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[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5498055]Nice report and thank you for sharing. Just curious, how do you and others deal with the issue of hosting? I can't / won't host at my place, hotels are God awful expensive in SD currently and women who are willing to host are few and far between. Are you all just assuming the cost of hotels as a cost of the hobby?[/QUOTE]There is no easy answer for that. My last SB was able to host. If you are not weird and don't stand out, some might grow open after trust is established. A lot of these girls probably have room mates.
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[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5498055]Nice report and thank you for sharing. Just curious, how do you and others deal with the issue of hosting? I can't / won't host at my place, hotels are God awful expensive in SD currently and women who are willing to host are few and far between. Are you all just assuming the cost of hotels as a cost of the hobby?[/QUOTE]Has anyone used [URL]HotelsByDay.com[/URL] or similar web-based hotel-booking service for daytime use hotels? I booked a room (DoubleTree), but the hotel couldn't find my reservation. Is the web-based hotel-booking service reliable? Maybe depend on hotel? Can you share any success experiences?
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[QUOTE=Oops0001;5498809]Has anyone used [URL]HotelsByDay.com[/URL] or similar web-based hotel-booking service for daytime use hotels? I booked a room (DoubleTree), but the hotel couldn't find my reservation. Is the web-based hotel-booking service reliable? Maybe depend on hotel? Can you share any success experiences?[/QUOTE]Try an app called "hotel tonight". I've used and have had no issues.
