The Prickyard

So, I saw this ad on Backpage. It is posted in the wrong section, because it is a guy. I really don't care if this guy really thinks ladies want him, good for him. Just put it in the right section. AND he uses his number tied to his Facebook account!!

I was going to troll him myself, but I don't have the heart. Guess I am just not enough of a prick. Anyway, here is the ad-.

[URL]http://indianapolis.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/ladys-just-the-guy-for-you/26371228[/URL]

I don't wish any ill towards the guy, just do not want to see his post ever again. Maybe someone is messing with him anyway?

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3455147]And so do I, but so does everyone else in the world in one way or another. So based on your analysis the entire human race is fucked up. If that's what you believe then so be it because you have every right to your opinion. Just saying that because a woman loves sex and sells her pussy doesn't mean she is equal to the others that have more serious issues like pimps, active addiction, lazy asshole SO's or are skanks by your definition. Liking sex and selling yourself for sex, whether you are a male or female doesn't necessarily make you fucked up, IMO.[/QUOTE]Actually it does, it's derogatory for a reason. It turns one into an object losing value as a human and citizen. That being said objects should be treated accordingly to their degree of worth.

[QUOTE=XandirHunt;3460277]So, I saw this ad on Backpage. It is posted in the wrong section, because it is a guy. I really don't care if this guy really thinks ladies want him, good for him. Just put it in the right section. AND he uses his number tied to his Facebook account!!

I was going to troll him myself, but I don't have the heart. Guess I am just not enough of a prick. Anyway, here is the ad-.

[URL]http://indianapolis.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/ladys-just-the-guy-for-you/26371228[/URL]

I don't wish any ill towards the guy, just do not want to see his post ever again. Maybe someone is messing with him anyway?[/QUOTE]More than one is " ladies." Just saying. Someone had to post this to be vindictive. Surely you would think if he did post the Ad he would have more common sense to not use a number that is posted on his FB account and not use the pics from his FB account. Well maybe not since " ladys was spelled incorrectly. So never mind carry on LOL.

[QUOTE=Piemaster;3460353]Actually it does, it's derogatory for a reason. It turns one into an object losing value as a human and citizen. That being said objects should be treated accordingly to their degree of worth.[/QUOTE]Then selling any product or service is derogatory. If you have food you should just give it to anyone who asks. If you have a skill, you should make it available freely, rather than sell it to the highest bidder. Isn't that what it boils down to?

The problem is that there will always be the strong and the weak, the greedy and the generous. You end up with slavery.

Why, out of all the services in the world is sex unique? Why is it the only action that has its own, completely unique set of rules? Why does a person who has worked hard to learn to provide pleasure, lose value for selling their skills, but a person who has worked to gain any other skill increase their value? Why is a person who hires a prostitute bad, but someone who hires a plumber is smart?

Let's ignore local laws for a moment, because my local laws are different from your local laws. Let's assume a vo-tech school, the institute of sex. At the school students are taught, in addition to sexual skills, health and physiology, how to recognize herpes and genital warts, disease prevention, basic economics, how to deal with impotence and premature ejaculation. Upon successful completion, followed by tests, the graduate receives a license. They list their occupation as sex worker, pay taxes, get regular checkups and have certain rules they must follow. Customers require an anonymous I'd, that is only connected to a sexual health record. To keep the I'd active they require regular testing.

Is the buying and selling of sex, still derogatory?

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3460637]Then selling any product or service is derogatory. If you have food you should just give it to anyone who asks. If you have a skill, you should make it available freely, rather than sell it to the highest bidder. Isn't that what it boils down to?[/QUOTE]No, selling your labor, skills, or thoughts and ideas is not the same as sex. Sex is different in that is not a skill or labor, but when one sells sex they themselves become the product.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3460637]The problem is that there will always be the strong and the weak, the greedy and the generous. You end up with slavery.

Why, out of all the services in the world is sex unique? Why is it the only action that has its own, completely unique set of rules? Why does a person who has worked hard to learn to provide pleasure, lose value for selling their skills, but a person who has worked to gain any other skill increase their value? Why is a person who hires a prostitute bad, but someone who hires a plumber is smart? [/QUOTE]See above comment, I never equated it as bad you did. Society sees it that way because it goes against the Christian value of adultery that this country has adopted.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3460637]Let's ignore local laws for a moment, because my local laws are different from your local laws. Let's assume a vo-tech school, the institute of sex. At the school students are taught, in addition to sexual skills, health and physiology, how to recognize herpes and genital warts, disease prevention, basic economics, how to deal with impotence and premature ejaculation. Upon successful completion, followed by tests, the graduate receives a license. They list their occupation as sex worker, pay taxes, get regular checkups and have certain rules they must follow. Customers require an anonymous I'd, that is only connected to a sexual health record. To keep the I'd active they require regular testing.

Is the buying and selling of sex, still derogatory?[/QUOTE]Yes, because it goes against the morals of society and as said before one becomes the product. Just because said person gets some regulated tests done does not change those facts, nor does it change the fact that those regulations are in place in order to curb the health impacts on the general populous if they were not performed.

[QUOTE=Piemaster;3460353]Actually it does, it's derogatory for a reason. It turns one into an object losing value as a human and citizen. That being said objects should be treated accordingly to their degree of worth.[/QUOTE]Well I guess I spent my Fourth of July with some very nice objects then. The objects being the burgers, chips, and potato salad I shared with three humans that I value extremely highly as friends: JoJo, Sarah and Aurora Jade. Their degree of worth is something that this citizen of these United States holds in very high regard. So if our puritanical society determines them to be objects then, damn they are worth 100 x their weight in gold. I however think their human value is priceless!

[QUOTE=Piemaster;3460795]Sex is different in that is not a skill or labor, but when one sells sex they themselves become the product. Society sees it that way because it goes against the Christian value of adultery that this country has adopted. Yes, because it goes against the morals of society and as said before one becomes the product.[/QUOTE]If I steal and destroy a product under society or our moral laws it's theft and destruction of private property, a felony at best. If I kidnap and take a life it's murder with a possible death sentence depending on the state. So the fallacy in your philosophy is even under the morals of our society, which is based on Christian values, the destruction of said sex object is still considered the taking of a human life. It makes no difference on the perceived worth of the sex product, it's true moral value under both our laws and Christian beliefs is once again priceless as a citizen and a human.

[QUOTE=Piemaster;3460795]No, selling your labor, skills, or thoughts and ideas is not the same as sex. Sex is different in that is not a skill or labor, but when one sells sex they themselves become the product.[/QUOTE]How? When I buy a product, like tomatoes; just bought some for about $0. 37 per lb. , I take them home with me, consume them and they cease to exist in their original form. They are mine, to do with whatever I desire. The tomatoes have no say in my decision. They can't refuse to let me buy them.

If I hire a maid, when she comes, she cleans the apartment, then leaves. If I break certain rules, she leaves, possibly to be replaced by the police. She is free to clean other apartments.

Try it at home, or maybe a cheap motel. Go to the store and buy condoms. Take them to your room and get a prostitute to come over. Pay for sex. Now you have paid for a product, the condoms, and a service, which you claim becomes a product. After the sex, what do you have? A used condom. Do you also have a used prostitute? Check under the bed, in the bathroom, inside the condom? Did you find her? What happened to the product? Is there a prostitute wandering around without a vagina, because you used it all up?

Sex isn't a skill? I guess you've only had it once. Anyone who has had it more than once, with different partners, would recognize the skill factor. Granted, if you're spending money on the BP addicts, the skill level is quite low, but that should show you the value of hiring skilled labor.

[QUOTE]See above comment, I never equated it as bad you did. Society sees it that way because it goes against the Christian value of adultery that this country has adopted.[/QUOTE]And I quote: "It turns one into an object, losing value as a human and citizen. " Now, if everyone engaged in the practice loses value, check the math, that sounds bad.

It's been awhile, but I'm pretty sure adultery isn't a Christian value. I think they have a commandment against it. Let's look at adultery from the Christian side:

It's not adultery for a husband to have sex with and marry a slave. It's not adultery for a man to have several wives. It's not adultery for a man with 1 or more wives to have 1 or more additional sexual partners. It's not adultery for a man to have sex with his brother's widow (It's required if she has no sons). It's not adultery to have sex with an unmarried girl against her will, provided she is not engaged and you do it outside of town. It's also not adultery to have sex with prostitutes. All of the above clearly stated in the Bible used by Christians. As far as I can tell, by the Christian definition, only a woman can commit adultery.

[QUOTE]Yes, because it goes against the morals of society and as said before one becomes the product. Just because said person gets some regulated tests done does not change those facts, nor does it change the fact that those regulations are in place in order to curb the health impacts on the general populous if they were not performed.[/QUOTE]You're talking in circles. If you're having trouble with this, buy a product; lumber, hire a carpenter to make something. When the job is done, what is the condition and location of the product and of the paid labor? Is there a carpenter in your backyard pretending to be a birdhouse?

Making a demonstrably false statement multiple times doesn't make it a true statement. Calling something that, as just shown, isn't a fact, a fact, doesn't alter reality.

The final nail: ". Those regulations are in place in order to curb the health impacts on the general populous if they were not performed. ".

Ever had to get a food handler certification? Ever work in a hospital or clinic? Ever work in a food processing facility? Each is an example of regulations, to protect the health of the population. Those rules and regulations do not define the skill. Every surgeon, does not have the same skill, even though they are subject to the same rules. Every chef doesn't cook the same food for every meal, regardless of the regulations.

I saw this same problem in one of my philosophy classes. Every exercise, every discussion one student always put his religion as the defining factor. He wiped a lot of tears that semester. Religion and philosophy don't mix.

Religion requires strict adherence to a set of defined rules. Unfortunately, those rules aren't clearly defined. Hence all the bloodshed over religion. Any thought that contradicts those rules is prohibited.

Philosophy is thought beyond the rules. Rather than accept unproven assumptions as fact, you must ignore them. It's a great exercise for developing critical thought.

Too many claim to be philosophers, with no understanding of philosophy.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3461289]How? When I buy a product, like tomatoes; just bought some for about $0. 37 per lb. , I take them home with me, consume them and they cease to exist in their original form. They are mine, to do with whatever I desire. The tomatoes have no say in my decision. They can't refuse to let me buy them.

If I hire a maid, when she comes, she cleans the apartment, then leaves. If I break certain rules, she leaves, possibly to be replaced by the police. She is free to clean other apartments.

Try it at home, or maybe a cheap motel. Go to the store and buy condoms. Take them to your room and get a prostitute to come over. Pay for sex. Now you have paid for a product, the condoms, and a service, which you claim becomes a product. After the sex, what do you have? A used condom. Do you also have a used prostitute? Check under the bed, in the bathroom, inside the condom? Did you find her? What happened to the product? Is there a prostitute wandering around without a vagina, because you used it all up?

Sex isn't a skill? I guess you've only had it once. Anyone who has had it more than once, with different partners, would recognize the skill factor. Granted, if you're spending money on the BP addicts, the skill level is quite low, but that should show you the value of hiring skilled labor.

And I quote: "It turns one into an object, losing value as a human and citizen. " Now, if everyone engaged in the practice loses value, check the math, that sounds bad.

It's been awhile, but I'm pretty sure adultery isn't a Christian value. I think they have a commandment against it. Let's look at adultery from the Christian side:

It's not adultery for a husband to have sex with and marry a slave. It's not adultery for a man to have several wives. It's not adultery for a man with 1 or more wives to have 1 or more additional sexual partners. It's not adultery for a man to have sex with his brother's widow (It's required if she has no sons). It's not adultery to have sex with an unmarried girl against her will, provided she is not engaged and you do it outside of town. It's also not adultery to have sex with prostitutes. All of the above clearly stated in the Bible used by Christians. As far as I can tell, by the Christian definition, only a woman can commit adultery.

You're talking in circles. If you're having trouble with this, buy a product; lumber, hire a carpenter to make something. When the job is done, what is the condition and location of the product and of the paid labor? Is there a carpenter in your backyard pretending to be a birdhouse?

Making a demonstrably false statement multiple times doesn't make it a true statement. Calling something that, as just shown, isn't a fact, a fact, doesn't alter reality..[/QUOTE]Hmm what christian bible are you getting your definition from? I'd be interested in seeing the book and verse. I think The king James version views adultery a little different than what you describe.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3461289]
Philosophy is thought beyond the rules. Rather than accept unproven assumptions as fact, you must ignore them. It's a great exercise for developing critical thought.

Too many claim to be philosophers, with no understanding of philosophy.[/QUOTE]Very good explanation.

But the dude is even confused about religion: Love the sinner, hate the sin. I do not understand how these people go from something being immoral to a person is reduced to an object and a commodity. It seems to be a rationalization for their behavior, rather than a coherent interpretation of their religion.

[QUOTE=WinterWarlock;3461409]Very good explanation.

But the dude is even confused about religion: Love the sinner, hate the sin. I do not understand how these people go from something being immoral to a person is reduced to an object and a commodity. It seems to be a rationalization for their behavior, rather than a coherent interpretation of their religion.[/QUOTE]I don't think the "dude" is trying to rationalize anything, I think you have twisted the positions, what the "dude" is saying is the truth, very bit of it.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3461331]Hmm what christian bible are you getting your definition from? I'd be interested in seeing the book and verse. I think The king James version views adultery a little different than what you describe.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. Someone hasn't been reading their Bible.

It's okay. This is a common failing amongst Christians.

There are 3 major Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Mohammedism and Christianity. Each one begins with the same foundation. In Christianity it's known as The Old Testament. The rules in The Old Testament were claimed to be given directly from Yahweh, Jehovah, or just plain God. There's lots and lots of rules. The New Testament also contains lots of rules. However, the vast majority of these rules were agreed upon by early Christian leaders, rather than handed down from above.

The Christians ran into a lot of problems as they tried to spread their religion. They ran into people whose diets were based upon pork or shellfish. The ran into people who used different materials to make clothing. So, along came "The New Covenant. " The New Covenant was the church saying, "God has granted all of you a waiver for any rules you don't want to follow. " Even the rules you absolutely never must break are okay to ignore, if you follow the proper procedure to say "I'm sorry. ".

The problem with this, the words claimed to be from Jesus Christ, directly contradict the New Covenant.

Instead of looking up each verse, I just finished a 6 mile walk and I'm tired, I'll give you a starting point, Leviticus. You'll find enough rules there to keep you busy for a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3461427]I don't think the "dude" is trying to rationalize anything, I think you have twisted the positions, what the "dude" is saying is the truth, very bit of it.[/QUOTE]Are you going with the idea that by becoming a pro, the woman becomes an object, rather than a person?

Good luck with defending that position.

[QUOTE=WinterWarlock;3462058]Are you going with the idea that by becoming a pro, the woman becomes an object, rather than a person?

Good luck with defending that position.[/QUOTE]Their selling we're buying it's a product, nothing more.

[QUOTE=Bob0324;3462126]Their selling we're buying it's a product, nothing more.[/QUOTE]You all just need to get laid. I think that will solve all your problems arguing about this stuff. We all are here for one main reason. So quit debating it and get to satisfying that one reason. The girls will appreciate you more also.