"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I don't have a pic on my profile, so I doubt she knows it's me yet. Guess I'm just nervous about negative reactions.

She's a petite stunner that hits all my points, so even though she's half my age I suppose I'll just full steam ahead.

I have received numerous PMs asking about the specific techniques I use to flirt with potential SBs. This may not be for veteran SDs, but there may be a few gems in here for everyone. The main key to all of this is [B] FLIRTING [/B]. Most women love to flirt and be flirted with, even when there is a significant age difference, and playfully flirting is the main technique I use for gauging whether a potential SB is ready to consider the SB invitation. While the following are primarily aimed at recruiting a SB from scratch, there might be some helpful tidbits here for any M&G situation. Here are my helpful suggestions:

[B]Cleanliness and Clothing.[/B]This may seem obvious, but it's baffling how many guys don't take hygiene seriously or know how to dress to impress. Physical attractiveness isn't the most important thing when it comes to being able to approach a young woman you are interested in flirting with. Even if you don't consider yourself attractive, personal maintenance can go a long way. This includes things like wearing clean, pressed DRESSY clothes (I have a black velvet jacket that begs to be touched and they inevitably do that and coo like they are petting a cute furry bunny), a fresh shower, deodorant, light cologne, brushed teeth, mouthwash (I carry a small bottle with me at all times, and / or mints), well manicured nails (women pay close attention to your hands and nails!), well cut and combed hair. And SHOES! Women pay attention to shoes. Have yours be an expensive pair and well shined.

[b]Pre-Approach[/b] Before you even approach her, read her body language. Accurately reading a woman's body language can give you a good idea whether or not your approach is going to be successful. Most women make it pretty clear if they don't want to be approached by how they sit, what they have with them, how they react to you. Do*not*ignore these signs. Typically if a woman is reading a book, listening to music, or working intently at her computer she's not going welcome a conversational intrusion from you. Now, if she's spending a lot of her time looking around instead of working or reading she might be open to conversation.

Someone whose arms are crossed across their chest and who is angled away from you (especially if they got into that position after making eye contact with you) is someone who doesn't want to be approached.

Remember, that women are taught from a young age that they need to be pleasant to people and so, while she might verbally accept your intrusion into her space, her body language might be telling you differently.

Make eye contact. *Eye contact is a fantastic and safe way to gauge someone's interest and openness to conversation. Try catching the eye of the woman you want to speak with. Three times tends to be a charm (as the saying goes). After the third meet of the eyes, approach her. A smile is also good for gauging interest. If she smiles at you, that's a pretty good sign she wouldn't be adverse to a conversation, especially if she does it without a first smile by you.

This works pretty much anywhere. You can make eye contact at a crowded bar, a restaurant, a coffee shop, a club, a bookstore, a library, at a subway stop, on a bus, on a plane or just walking in the park.

[b]Your "IN"[/b] Consider your "in" with the woman. The first initial interaction with a woman will set the stage for the remainder of the encounter, so it is important to choose your approach wisely.

Research shows that women are more receptive to direct introductions than to cute-flippant lines, compliments, or attempts at humor. Use a respectful opening. Ask for help. This could be something as simple as asking her which coffee shop she thinks is the best. After some warm conversation, casually ask her to join you for coffee at the place she recommended. Use your surroundings. If you're in a bookstore ask her if she knows where you might find a particular book. If you're both waiting for the bus, you could ask her the time and then make a joke how the bus is always late, especially when the weather's really bad.

Ask questions: For example, if she's wearing something really cool, ask her about it. Say "Hey I couldn't help noticing you're wearing a Seahawks' sweatshirt. Are you a big fan?" or "Have you ever been to one of that band's shows? I hear they're amazing. " It gives you something to connect over and opens the possibility for further conversation. Project confidence. Confidence is one of the most attractive qualities women look for in a man. You should go into a flirting encounter acknowledging your value as a person so that the woman will pick up on this. Faking confidence is one of the best ways to trick yourself into feeling actually confident. Women are receptive to how people feel about themselves and they will pick up on it if you have no faith in yourself Smile! Women are more drawn to someone with a smiling face. Smiling sends a positive initial message, and can also raise a woman's first impression of you before you even decide to start flirting with her.

[b]The Warm-Up[/b] Look for opportunities to expand the conversation. Understand body language. Research shows that more than 90% of our communication is non-verbal, with only a small amount of communication happening through our actual words. Because of this, body language is by far the most powerful weapon you have in your recruiting arsenal. Understanding how to employ body language in your favor will overshadow almost any other mistake that you might make during the flirting process. Practice body language mirroring. This basically means that you should imitate the other person's tone of voice, facial expressions, etc. This will make the other person feel at ease with you and build rapport between you both. Be mindful of how you position your arms. Having an*open*demeanor is what you should aim for when flirting with women. This means that you need to avoid crossing your arms (I. E. *closing*your body) or legs. Crossing your arms can be viewed as trying to put a barrier between yourself and the other person. Try to keep your arms hanging at your sides if you are standing. And if you are sitting, open your legs toward the woman, if possible, and rest your arms on the tops of your legs, with your hands dangling between your legs. This stance demonstrates confidence and openness. Tilt your body towards her. This goes back to creating an*open*feeling between you and the woman you're flirting with. Tilting your head towards a person lets them know you're listening. Tilting your body towards a person lets them know you are fully engaged in the conversation. Touch her playfully. A small touch can let a woman know you are interested in more than just talking to her. Try complimenting her on her necklace and touching it briefly or lightly touching her arm as you laugh at something funny she's said.

[b]Verbally flirt:[/b] Studies have shown that women employ more nonverbal flirting cues than men, but that they are prone to anticipate and expect more verbal flirting cues from the men who flirt with them. As such, men who employ nonverbal flirting cues when engaging with flirtations with women might not be received as positively as men who employ more verbal flirting cues, which is what women are prone to expect. These men might even be viewed as less masculine because they are implementing flirting techniques that are considered to be more feminine. Be yourself. This goes along with being confident. You need to remember that you yourself are a cool person and someone that people would enjoy talking to (as long as you're respectful). Don't be afraid of what she might think about you when you approach her. The woman should get a sense of who you are, even if it's a less intense version of you. So, for example, if you aren't into outdoorsy things don't pretend to be to impress her. She'll figure out pretty quickly that you're a phony and she won't be that interested. Have a natural conversation. Once you've broken the ice, you'll want to have a natural conversation with her. This can grow naturally out of your icebreaker comment. For example, if she says that she's a big fan of the Seahawks, you might talk about them winning the Super Bowl and where you both were when that happened. A compliment is also a good thing to drop into your conversation so she knows you're interested in her. This shouldn't be something grandiose like "You're the most beautiful girl I've ever seen" (it comes off as insincere). Instead say something like "Your outfit really matches your eyes. It's a great color" or "Those earrings are amazing. Did you make them yourself?" For the bookstore example, when you've asked where a particular book is, ask her if she's read it. If she doesn't say that it's one of her favorites then ask her what her favorite book is (or favorite genre, since choosing a favorite book can be difficult). If you've offered to buy her a drink at a bar and she's accepted, you could talk about some of the funniest things you've seen intoxicated people do. This will make her laugh and allow her to reciprocate with funny stories of her own. Listen to her. A woman will notice if you're spending the whole conversation staring at her breasts and not listening to a word she says. Likewise, she'll be very put off if you spend the entire time burbling on about yourself. When she speaks, listen to her and ask questions that show you're interested.

Ask her opinion on a subject, even if it's something as basic as whether bluegrass is better than country music, or whether she thinks politics is really screwed up.

[b]Fascinate her. [/b]You want your conversation to get her interested and not be the same old boring "what's the weather like" routine. You will want to show her what makes you unique and why she would want to continue the conversation. Talk about something that you're really interested in. For instance, if you're on your way back from something cool (like you were just at a concert) mention it. If you taught yourself Japanese, work that into the conversation (you can even throw in some humor by mentioning how difficult it was and some of the hilarious screw-ups you had). Find something in common. A good way to set up some mutual fascination is to find things in common to talk about (like those Seahawks). If it seems like there is a bond between you, she'll be more likely to wan to continue the conversation. If you're at a bookstore, find some mutual books you both enjoy; if you're at a concert, chat about different kinds of music. Even things like laughing over a late bus can set up commonality between you two. Tell her something interesting. Show her that you're the sort of person who is interested in the world. If something has happened lately in your city or town, discuss it. Demonstrate your sense of humor. Humor can create a bond faster than anything else. Of course, you have to remember that not everyone has the same sense of humor. Fortunately, there are some types of humor and things you can say that have a good guarantee for making the woman laugh. Gently poke fun at yourself. This will show that you don't take yourself too seriously. However, you want to make sure you aren't belittling yourself. Tell her about the time you got on the wrong bus and ended up halfway across town or when you gave your friend a big hug, only for it to turn out not to be your friend. You can also mention something really funny that you saw. Maybe you noticed a really short person get tangled up when they were walking a bunch of dogs, or you happened to witness a whole troupe of clowns exiting a bar. Real events tend to be more funny than just saying funny things and can lead to a mutual conversation as she recalls funny things she's seen. Compliment her: Women are sexual but they don't usually enjoy a sexual approach from someone they just met. Avoid making any comments about her body from the neck down, unless you're talking about her clothes. The nicest types of compliments, though, are about personality traits, like, 'You seem really kind,' or 'You're really warm and inviting. '" If she seems receptive, you can consider going over the top with something like: "I know this is totally random, but I think you are absolutely ravishing, and I knew I would have been kicking myself for the rest of the day if I didn't find out more about you. "

[b]Know when to back off. [/b]Sometimes it doesn't matter how funny or charming or nice you are. Not every young woman is going to want to have a conversation with you. She will signal this by not opening up any topics of conversation, you'll be the only one talking. She'll give short responses to your questions. Women also tend to not look the person in the eye when they are not interested in them. If any of these things happen, then know for sure they are If she's only answering in monosyllables, or she keeps checking her phone, or not making eye contact, she's probably looking for a way out of the conversation.

Show that you are a class act. Say pleasantly, "Well, it was nice talking to you. I hope we meet again sometime. "

Remember, no one owes you time or energy and if she seems uninterested in the conversation, back off nicely.

[b]Additional Ideas:[/b].

If she was talking with someone before you talked to her, don't start the conversation with anything that has to do with the topic she was talking about earlier. Eavesdropping won't look good on your part.

Understand verbal versus nonverbal communication. We communicate in many different ways. Body language, as discussed earlier, is very important, as is verbal communication. Both types of communication can be very powerful, so attention must be paid to both. Be perceptive to her body language. *Notice if she is leaning in towards you or offering you small, quick smiles. Both of these are good signs and indicate that you should continue. If, however, she is not smiling or is constantly looking away, take this as an indicator that she is not receptive to your advances. Recognizing these types of physical cues is an ability that is very much instinctual. We We can inherently tell when another person is a good potential match. In animal / instinctual terms, these physical cues are signals that you don't intend to dominate, nor do you intend to flee--both useful messages to send before proceeding to intimations of a possible SB relationship. [b]Make her laugh.[/b] There are many ways to make women laugh. You can try walking a tricky line by integrating two things that normally wouldn't be good at all by themselves: arrogance and stupid humor If you're arrogant, she won't want anything to do with you, and if you just make stupid funny comments all the time she's going to think you're just a clown and won't take you seriously. But when you mix these two tactics together, the combination becomes something that'll draw the girl's attention to you like a magnet to metal. You've probably heard and seen things about nice guys finishing last and that jerks always get the girl. This is often because the nice guys don't use this technique, but the jerks do. This technique is effective because it shows the woman that you're funny and that you can laugh at yourself (by laughing at your own implied, pretend arrogance). Keep the conversation going. Do this by asking her questions!

Ask questions about the environment (What do you think about the band playing at this club / bar? or "Have you tried the food here? or Do they make any good specialty drinks here?") or about things happening in the world (How do you like that new comedy movie? And remember, a person's favorite topic to talk about is always themselves.

If you're planning on truly getting the girl you must become the girl. Find out what her interests are, her style, sense of humor, likes and dislikes, and other things that make her her. That way she may feel comfortable when you approach her. Then mimic and compliment her voice and other traits with yours.

If you want see fantastic flirting in action between an older guy and a younger girl, see these YouTube clips. Many, many hot young actresses admit that they would sleep with Craig Ferguson in a second. Craig just turned 60. Watch the master at work:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB5iRXjkTOw[/URL]

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5932194]I have received numerous PMs asking about the specific techniques I use to flirt with potential SBs. This may not be for veteran SDs, but there may be a few gems in here for everyone. The main key to all of this is [B] FLIRTING [/B]. Most women love to flirt and be flirted with, even when there is a significant age difference, and playfully flirting is the main technique I use for gauging whether a potential SB is ready to consider the SB invitation. While the following are primarily aimed at recruiting a SB from scratch, there might be some helpful tidbits here for any M&G situation. Here are my helpful suggestions:<snipped for brevity>.[/QUOTE]I'm sure many will be grateful for you taking the time to type all that up. Personally, I'm fascinated that folks put so much thought into picking up chicks or paying hookers.

But thanks for the share. An impressive amount of words and effort. Adderall can be both awesome and frightening, eh?

Also: a velvet jacket? Holy shit! Liberace lives!

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5932194]I have received numerous PMs asking about the specific techniques I use to flirt with potential SBs. This may not be for veteran SDs, but there may be a few gems in here for everyone. The main key to all of this is [B] FLIRTING [/B]. Most women love to flirt and be flirted with, even when there is a significant age difference, and playfully flirting is the main technique I use for gauging whether a potential SB is ready to consider the SB invitation. While the following are primarily aimed at recruiting a SB from scratch, there might be some helpful tidbits here for any M&G situation. Here are my helpful suggestions:

[/QUOTE]THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge & experience! This is the true value of this site is guys can learn "how to" and end up fishing for themself!

Thanks for helping out!

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Profile says recently logged on from the Netherlands, ends each sentence with BABE and she said she is on vacation in Maymont, a park in RVA.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5932194]I have received numerous PMs asking about the specific techniques I use to flirt with potential SBs. This may not be for veteran SDs, but there may be a few gems in here for everyone. The main key to all of this is [B] FLIRTING [/B]. Most women love to flirt and be flirted with, even when there is a significant age difference, and playfully flirting is the main technique I use for gauging whether a potential SB is ready to consider the SB invitation. While the following are primarily aimed at recruiting a SB from scratch, there might be some helpful tidbits here for any M&G situation.[/QUOTE]Awesome post and I personally appreciate your insight on how pick up chick "in the wild" but I've been there done that many times, nothing new to me in trying engage in a target rich environment, it's just human nature to lock on and hit the target, be successful or be an idiot and flame out. But being this being SD / SB forum maybe I missed something in your dissertation. BUT how do you approach a young lady "in the wild" about engaging in a SD / SB mutual beneficial relationship $$$ without getting your face slapped. Still, you never answered my question before on cruising a college campus trying engage without being a creep. Anyway, Russell is from RVA and is now with Denver.

[QUOTE=BobLobLa;5932609][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a2098634-087a-44f2-aa3d-d7275fd38bf6[/URL]

Profile says recently logged on from the Netherlands, ends each sentence with BABE and she said she is on vacation in Maymont, a park in RVA.[/QUOTE]I've had a good time at Maymont over the years. Got a BJ in the gazebo next to the waterfall during a pouring rain with a model I was photographing there.

Sugaring in the wild is all about the attraction, not the money. She doesn't know she wants to be a sugar baby, she's interested in you. She doesn't have anything to wear, you take her shopping. She's never had French cuisine, you take her someplace she could never afford. She's never been to the city, you fly her to the city and stay in a boutique hotel, not the Days Inn. Sugaring in the wild isn't about the allowance, it's about all the things you can do for her that she couldn't imagine doing on her own.

[QUOTE=Wysiwug;5933261]Awesome post and I personally appreciate your insight on how pick up chick "in the wild" but I've been there done that many times, nothing new to me in trying engage in a target rich environment, it's just human nature to lock on and hit the target, be successful or be an idiot and flame out. But being this being SD / SB forum maybe I missed something in your dissertation. BUT how do you approach a young lady "in the wild" about engaging in a SD / SB mutual beneficial relationship $$$ without getting your face slapped. Still, you never answered my question before on cruising a college campus trying engage without being a creep. Anyway, Russell is from RVA and is now with Denver.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hal1957;5933640]Sugaring in the wild isn't about the allowance, it's about all the things you can do for her that she couldn't imagine doing on her own.[/QUOTE]I've had some amazing SA experiences that were more like showcase showdown of cash and prizes. Achieving goals, experiencing luxuries well before her age and income might allow.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;5933640]Sugaring in the wild is all about the attraction, not the money. She doesn't know she wants to be a sugar baby, she's interested in you. She doesn't have anything to wear, you take her shopping. She's never had French cuisine, you take her someplace she could never afford. She's never been to the city, you fly her to the city and stay in a boutique hotel, not the Days Inn. Sugaring in the wild isn't about the allowance, it's about all the things you can do for her that she couldn't imagine doing on her own.[/QUOTE]I always take the stance that sugaring itself is about your ability to establish a connection with these women. Understand the art of seduction and attraction will get you better experiences with them and open many doors. The money often times only comes into play for me when I'm impatient and rushing, or I end up with a woman that is on her way to being a pro and I'm using her for a specific service that I want.

[QUOTE=Wysiwug;5933261]Awesome post and I personally appreciate your insight on how pick up chick "in the wild" but I've been there done that many times, nothing new to me in trying engage in a target rich environment, it's just human nature to lock on and hit the target, be successful or be an idiot and flame out. But being this being SD / SB forum maybe I missed something in your dissertation. [/QUOTE]Thank you for the props. To address your comment: sugaring in the wild isn't just about picking up chicks, although it certainly includes similar tips and strategies. Flirting is your primary tool to do this, and that is similar to any pick-up strategy, but sugaring in the wild is different in two important ways: Firstly, you are hunting way out of your league in terms of the age difference, so it isn't exactly like going to a singles bar for a one-nighter. You are operating at a much greater degree of difficulty and your flirting needs to be well conceived. Secondly, you are seeking an amateur to convince her to have sex with you for money. So, part of the strategy is developing good instincts as to when to pop the question, so to speak. Your ace in the hole is the money. A young girl might not see you as her best choice for a free one-nighter, but maybe will for the right monetary incentive on an ongoing regular basis.

[QUOTE] BUT how do you approach a young lady "in the wild" about engaging in a SD / SB mutual beneficial relationship $$$ without getting your face slapped. [/QUOTE]I have never had my face slapped sugaring in the wild. That's because I don't approach bad targets (re-read my pre-approach advice). Secondly, I always do a good flirting warmup for as long as possible. Thirdly, I initiate the SB discussion in a non-threatening, non-creepy manner (read the post on my examples: [POST=5904211][b] Recruiting SBs in the Wild[/b][/POST])

[QUOTE]Still, you never answered my question before on cruising a college campus trying engage without being a creep.[/QUOTE]Not all my SB recruiting is on college campuses. In fact, the majority of it is wherever I find myself: the mall, the grocery store, a restaurant, a club, a fast food joint, in line at the bank, walking in the park, at a bar, at a casino, at a concert, at the movies, at the theatre, etc. etc. etc. I have several special approaches on a college campus. Blend in. Look, act and dress like a professor. Use my pre-approach advice to select a good target. Ask questions. "Aren't you in my survey course for business law?" There is either engagement in discussion from here or not, so you have to be able to gauge whether it is worthwhile to continue the warmup. (See my post again for signals to watch, expanding the conversation, looking for mutual interests, humor to create a bond, be interesting, etc.). I never said this was easy. But IMHO developing skills to hunt sugar in the wild can be enormously rewarding.

Anyone see her, she wants 700-1 k per meet, that's crazy high.

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[QUOTE=Hal1957;5933640]Sugaring in the wild is all about the attraction, not the money. She doesn't know she wants to be a sugar baby, she's interested in you. She doesn't have anything to wear, you take her shopping. She's never had French cuisine, you take her someplace she could never afford. She's never been to the city, you fly her to the city and stay in a boutique hotel, not the Days Inn. Sugaring in the wild isn't about the allowance, it's about all the things you can do for her that she couldn't imagine doing on her own.[/QUOTE]I don't know how many SBs you have recruited in the wild, but, in my experience, it is about three things: 1. Establishing a rapport and connection through flirting. 2. Establishing the need for cash (poor student, low end job, etc.) 3. Negotiating the deal. I have never needed to take or offered to take a POT shopping, to a fancy restaurant, or on a plane flight. Rapport, need and cash were all that was required. Maybe I am missing out on a key ingredient here, but, so far, the result has been just fine without it.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5933886]I don't know how many SBs you have recruited in the wild, but, in my experience, it is about three things: 1. Establishing a rapport and connection through flirting. 2. Establishing the need for cash (poor student, low end job, etc.) 3. Negotiating the deal. I have never needed to take or offered to take a POT shopping, to a fancy restaurant, or on a plane flight. Rapport, need and cash were all that was required. Maybe I am missing out on a key ingredient here, but, so far, the result has been just fine without it.[/QUOTE]

The need for adventure / Thrill / Something new is also a motivator just like the need for cash.

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;5933833]I always take the stance that sugaring itself is about your ability to establish a connection with these women. Understand the art of seduction and attraction will get you better experiences with them and open many doors. The money often times only comes into play for me when I'm impatient and rushing, or I end up with a woman that is on her way to being a pro and I'm using her for a specific service that I want.[/QUOTE]Amen brother. Most women LOVE to flirt. So FLIRT! Do it all the time. Flirt with everyone, all ages, all sexes. Flirt with waiters / waitresses, tellers at the bank, people standing with you in a line, cashiers at the grocery store, sales clerks, the person next to you in the movies / theatre / concert. In short, flirt with everyone everywhere you go. Get good at it. Be natural at it. People will find you interesting and engaging. The ones that don't? So what? Move on. Life is too short not to engage people you meet. As a side benefit, sugaring in the wild will become as natural as breathing.

If you want a great tutorial on flirting, check out this YouTube video using Craig Ferguson as an example. He is the master at this. He flirts with every guest on his show, male or female. He is 60 but young actresses would fall on his dick in a heartbeat, and he wouldn't even have to pay them! LOL: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NalcOPBXvs[/URL].