Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Lucky697;6573193]200 is a fantastic nude rub![/QUOTE]Thanks for this.

Can someone also give the lowdown on the Vixen rates? Thinking about getting a P411 to see them. I've been out of the game for a while.

Will be back in STL for a few days soon, is Catz still around? Please pm me if needed. Her and a couple others were always my go to's. Would love to see her again.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jeffc574;6571904]After several years of Chippewa / Watson Jasmine been backrub only, I am enjoy that more fun can be had. Since before COVID I have been 60 house / 60 tip, if I get a HJ. I was told to bring 100 for a tip next time on one visit. I brought 100. Got the same HJ I normally get and tipped 60. I got the feeling one lady was willing to offer more. If is get more, I will let you know.[/QUOTE]Has anyone gotten tammy to pop those big Asian granny hangers out? I'd be hooked on them if she actually would pull them out.

[QUOTE=OldCarGuy69;6571721]First let me say I've been doing this for over twenty years. I started in the DC area and have traveled a bit, and have been here for about 10 years. When I started, the hour rate was $60-$70 with table shower - that's all to the house, the girls get none of that. Everywhere I have been, expected tip for HJ has been $80, with more for more. If I only tip $40 as you gentlemen do, it is for BAD service and / or no HE. Hell, the girl who cuts my hair gets an $8 tip on a $12 haircut. Do the math. It's no wonder this area is as dried up as it is, with women older than me. I wouldn't want to go to St Louis if I were a hot young chick either.[/QUOTE]In the vast majority of locations here, the masseuse receives a base part of house's money. You're referring to jack shacks where they don't receive house money since they already make insane bank from tips.

Using your arbitrary tipping logic, why stop at 40 or 80 tip for a lousy massage? Why not tip 100? 200? Fuck, just throw them a blank check!

STL dried up for a couple reasons. First, there was one or two big busts that made news (sheng) which made everyone slow down (I guarantee that there were no tipping issues at that location during its peak). Things never fully recovered from that. Second, there's a growing trend over the past few years for a lackluster massage while aggressively pushing for a delusional tip. Shitty massage and DIY for an expectation of a $40 tip? Lmao, fuck off, bye. Because of that, many locations are getting less clientele and are pumping up their prices in hopes it will make up for the slower business (it won't). It's a cycle that will eventually put them out of business or force them to improve their services or lower their prices (they won't).

High tipping for a shitty massage incentivizes the very same massage experience that you are trying to avoid. If I tip a waiter 60% even though he sucks at his job, it's not going to make him a better waiter; it's going to make him believe he did a great job. The guys who tip $40 for an awful massage are the reason why still is so bad. They are rewarding bad behavior.

DC is more expensive because it's big on jack shacks since money flows there like piss. Even at its best, STL is absolutely nothing like the DC market. It never will be. But STL can still be good if we can rid ourselves of unnecessary simping over lazy masseuses and awful service.

I see a lot of posts that either severely misunderstand basic market dynamics, or the OP is likely associated with the locations they are shilling and trying to pump their business (yes that happens).

Have a good day, fellas.

[QUOTE=DiveMasterStl;6573262]Will be back in STL for a few days soon, is Catz still around? Please pm me if needed. Her and a couple others were always my go to's. Would love to see her again.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have not seen her advertising for a while. I don't think she's around anymore but maybe someone else knows otherwise.

[QUOTE=DrDex;6573251]Thanks for this.

Can someone also give the lowdown on the Vixen rates? Thinking about getting a P411 to see them. I've been out of the game for a while.[/QUOTE]I want to say 400.

But. Vayda / Diane is available on RR at her regular rates. Scarlett [URL]https://sensualscarlett.com[/URL] is as well.

[QUOTE=Lucky697;6573193]200 is a fantastic nude rub![/QUOTE]Thought 2 was oral finish with her.

[QUOTE=Jfouquet;6574212]I have not seen her advertising for a while. I don't think she's around anymore but maybe someone else knows otherwise.[/QUOTE]That's what I was afraid of, thanks. Big loss!

[QUOTE=MoarMassage;6574086]In the vast majority of locations here, the masseuse receives a base part of house's money. You're referring to jack shacks where they don't receive house money since they already make insane bank from tips.

Using your arbitrary tipping logic, why stop at 40 or 80 tip for a lousy massage? Why not tip 100? 200? Fuck, just throw them a blank check!

STL dried up for a couple reasons. First, there was one or two big busts that made news (sheng) which made everyone slow down (I guarantee that there were no tipping issues at that location during its peak). Things never fully recovered from that. Second, there's a growing trend over the past few years for a lackluster massage while aggressively pushing for a delusional tip. Shitty massage and DIY for an expectation of a $40 tip? Lmao, fuck off, bye. Because of that, many locations are getting less clientele and are pumping up their prices in hopes it will make up for the slower business (it won't). It's a cycle that will eventually put them out of business or force them to improve their services or lower their prices (they won't).

High tipping for a shitty massage incentivizes the very same massage experience that you are trying to avoid. If I tip a waiter 60% even though he sucks at his job, it's not going to make him a better waiter; it's going to make him believe he did a great job. The guys who tip $40 for an awful massage are the reason why still is so bad. They are rewarding bad behavior.

DC is more expensive because it's big on jack shacks since money flows there like piss. Even at its best, STL is absolutely nothing like the DC market. It never will be. But STL can still be good if we can rid ourselves of unnecessary simping over lazy masseuses and awful service.

I see a lot of posts that either severely misunderstand basic market dynamics, or the OP is likely associated with the locations they are shilling and trying to pump their business (yes that happens).

Have a good day, fellas.[/QUOTE]The biggest thing that has dried up STL and everywhere else is * Attractive girls can make an * and make the same if not more money just selling pics and videos then they ever would letting old dudes stick their pecker in them. It boggles my mind that people talk about the 'good old days' back in the 90's like that wasn't 20-30 years ago and older than most people you'd want to stick your dick in.

[QUOTE=StlGamerDude;6574567]The biggest thing that has dried up STL and everywhere else is * Attractive girls can make an * and make the same if not more money just selling pics and videos then they ever would letting old dudes stick their pecker in them. It boggles my mind that people talk about the 'good old days' back in the 90's like that wasn't 20-30 years ago and older than most people you'd want to stick your dick in.[/QUOTE]I disagree. I can drive up to Springfield IL and get a nice to wonderful massage with full service from a beautiful 20 to mid 30's year old asian massage girl. You just have to read the forum on this board and figure out what place you want to check out. For whatever reason, the St. Louis market, even the Eastside spas, just suck anymore.

The major busts against massage parlors in St. Louis was quite a while ago but maybe that is still a factor. The spas on the MO side of the river all seem to be HJ only for the most part unless you happen to luck out. The city and suburbs seem to take a lot of effort in keeping the spas in check to a point. The Centreville spas on IL side of the river are mostly older, rougher, massage workers that I guess need to keep working and can't cut it in the bigger better markets. But can't those spas attract the younger better looking girls like in Springfield and other cities? Honestly, the last girl I saw at Kiku Spa in Decatur IL, and her coworkers I met afterwards were better looking and younger looking than most of the Centreville workers that I've met.

Are St. Louis area clients just cheaper? Are the regulations and LE presence in the St. Louis area just tougher? Are the "families" that run the St. Louis asian spas just not able to get younger, better, talent? Whatever it is, there is undeniably a difference and you can't blame that on some internet porn site.

[QUOTE=DrDex;6573251]Thanks for this.

Can someone also give the lowdown on the Vixen rates? Thinking about getting a P411 to see them. I've been out of the game for a while.[/QUOTE]From my experience, they have different rates depending on the Vixen.

[QUOTE=Jeffc574;6573124]Lilia's newest add lists 175/200/300 options. 175 was a standard rub. 300 has always been FS. Years ago 200 got a nude rub. Any idea what 200 gets these days?[/QUOTE]I just saw this lovely lady today and had a great time as always. As to the pricing I'm pretty sure that the $200 is still for the nude rub. And it was interesting as when I arrived I gave her $300 planning on the FS. But after a regular massage for a bit she started on a very nice HJ. It felt so good I told her to just keep going which she did and produced a very happy ending. Then when I went to get dressed she gives me back $100 saying that wasn't necessary. I thought was incredibly nice although I told her to just keep it as she did all I expected and I was a happy camper.

[QUOTE=Apache77;6575703]I just saw this lovely lady today and had a great time as always. As to the pricing I'm pretty sure that the $200 is still for the nude rub. And it was interesting as when I arrived I gave her $300 planning on the FS. But after a regular massage for a bit she started on a very nice HJ. It felt so good I told her to just keep going which she did and produced a very happy ending. Then when I went to get dressed she gives me back $100 saying that wasn't necessary. I thought was incredibly nice although I told her to just keep it as she did all I expected and I was a happy camper.[/QUOTE]Echoing something similar happened to me last year. She wanted to knock money off session because she arrived "late. ".

I declined. She really wasn't that late, just 15 minutes, and she even texted beforehand—I'm used to being ghosted and other games lately.

She wanted to knock off 100 $ and I said no as she started day early because of my request.

[QUOTE=Sevenate9;6574888]From my experience, they have different rates depending on the Vixen.[/QUOTE]Vixens = good value.

Parker = Best in STL for consistent service and great attitude $300.

Dianne = great body $350.

Scarlett = great massage great service slightly older than I want to pay for $300.

Vee = Big as fuck nowadays $300 I can't do it.

Zianna = Good looking Alt / Lesbo look but not the best attitude kinda bithcy once told me I was late and went off and I told her to look at phone she told me wrong time I was early actually.

Angels = GPS.

Ell = Major GPS and crappy attitude $500.

Elsa = when she works best on planet for $350 sweet girl best body every.

Carly = $350 hot body but thinks alot of herself.

Erin = $400 good body good attitude service so so, on SA she wants $500 ??

Rachel = $400 nice girl NO curves at skinny as a rail doesn't work for me.

Cambria = Weird and GPS $500 + just for FS.

Kiyah = won't do oral decent looking but always I mean always late you could charge $50 if your late I cannot partake.

Olivia = $300 but has demons and really won't do long oral.

I know this isn't what everyone gets charged as but guys I ask you even with extra $$ in your pocket why in the HELL are we paying over $300 I'm guilty but. $500 for shitty attitudes like ElL and every friend she brings is the same way?

Hope the info helps.

[QUOTE=Jannisary;6574747]I disagree. I can drive up to Springfield IL and get a nice to wonderful massage with full service from a beautiful 20 to mid 30's year old asian massage girl. You just have to read the forum on this board and figure out what place you want to check out. For whatever reason, the St. Louis market, even the Eastside spas, just suck anymore.

The major busts against massage parlors in St. Louis was quite a while ago but maybe that is still a factor. The spas on the MO side of the river all seem to be HJ only for the most part unless you happen to luck out. The city and suburbs seem to take a lot of effort in keeping the spas in check to a point. The Centreville spas on IL side of the river are mostly older, rougher, massage workers that I guess need to keep working and can't cut it in the bigger better markets. But can't those spas attract the younger better looking girls like in Springfield and other cities? Honestly, the last girl I saw at Kiku Spa in Decatur IL, and her coworkers I met afterwards were better looking and younger looking than most of the Centreville workers that I've met.

Are St. Louis area clients just cheaper? Are the regulations and LE presence in the St. Louis area just tougher? Are the "families" that run the St. Louis asian spas just not able to get younger, better, talent? Whatever it is, there is undeniably a difference and you can't blame that on some internet porn site.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Jannisary, but it's probably the cheap mongers in the area that keeps the younger, good looking girls away. The St Louis side of the river about the most you can hope for is a happy ending, and I think this is mostly an older girls place. But if guys weren't trying to hold the price down to 90's pricing, they might be able to bring in some younger girls. For $40 tips you can't expect 30 year olds. Over on the Illinois side, well these are full service joints. Many years ago I frequented the parlors up in Collinsville before the law came down on them and they moved to Centreville. On a couple occasions I was there just before lunch time and the girls there closed up shop and we went to a Chinese buffet nearby. They were there but didn't have a car. Well we ate lunch and talked and they kind of explained how the business worked. These full service girls would be working at parlors all over the country. They would work 3 months and be off 3 months. The 3 months they were off another girl would come and replace them. There was about a 3 year period that I had 2 favorites that were on opposite rotations, so one was always there. Both beautiful Korean girls probably high 20's to mid 30's, almost perfect tight bodies and nice implants but not overly done. I gave the 200 all in then sometimes I would go 240 and was treated like a pornstar. These two I took to lunch explained that they knew girls all around the country and when the boss needed another girl they just put out the word. Now when everything got shut down and they moved to Centreville it seemed like the same situation with good looking young girls rotating in regular. Now probably being in a repressed area kept a lot of the customers away. If they aren't kept somewhat busy they aren't going to get the better girls either. So cheap customers and slow business probably only draws the older girls trying to hang on. Better tips might bring better looking girls wich the word would get out and bring more customers.