"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Revvo;2030871]Well I guess this comes under the category of careful what you wish for...you just may get it!

I was absolutely not expecting this. I am very happy and committed to my current beautiful baby.
This is not fair. Or is it?

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I could do her once but that would not be good form.

What? Revvo, are you getting soft in your olde age? Fuck 'them both my man and look for a 3rd. SBs are NSA and unless you are planning on taking an ATF on as a regular GF occupying all your free time and play funds, just develop all contacts and enjoy them. You know how this works, one day you have too many and the next none.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2031304]
You know how this works, one day you have too many and the next none.[/QUOTE]Have to agree, seems like the only thing to do is fit them both into the schedule. Careful, looks like you could be getting yourself get in pretty deep on the emotional entanglement here?

I have been enjoying my search for the "one" and it has been interesting. My experiences track many I have read on here.

SB1 Wild thing, 23 years old, engaged and sneaks out during the day to see me. Incredible sex...on top, from behind, from the side, finish in the mouth, finish in the ass finish wherever and as many times as I want, it doesn't matter. She is a hard body with a great rack a solid 8-9 in looks. Doesn't care about the quality of the hotel (in fact prefers cheaper ones) and is only a $ a visit. Not the brightest though, and is constantly "needing things" and pouts when I say no. This one calls and says she is starving can I send her a pizza. The overall cost is probably 1.5 because I have to pay for her phone and "stuff". My quasi dependable regular. That is her with the backdoor view.

SB2 Model: I saw her, she was a 10 in looks (and yes those are what god gave her). Personality a 10, recent college grad, smiles all the time, funny. Had to have her...so I did several times. Got some GPS going on but I got her into a reasonable but high end range. Also always asking for money. Want's to be in a nice hotel, eat at Ruths Chris, etc. Claims she is only looking for 1, but never stops looking. Downside as many of you have seen before, the drop dead good lookers are lousy in bed. It is all about her, and she expects you to be hard just because she got naked. Screwing is great, but very limited foreplay directed at me. Thought it would get better with more visits but has not. So...weaning her out. She wants to meet Friday but I have not responded (but then I looked at her picture again so...).

SB3 Former Swimsuit model: She also is used to men drooling over her but is better in bed. She is in her 30's and teaches martial arts. 9 looks, 7 personality real honest and open about some things but lies about others and what she lies about is strange. Gets weird about semen. Goes nuts if you come on or in her, talking about birth control...but she has had a hysterectomy and I am fixed so what gives?. I see her about once a month, she is my blond right now.

SB4 The Columbian: Mid 30's 7 in looks, weak English, but is a nympho. Also incredible sex and even complains if I don't go multiple rounds. I leave visits bruised and sore. She never ask for money and I usually (but not always) leave her an Amex gift card. She says she will cut it off if I am having sex with anyone else other than my wife. I keep thinking on that...

SB5 Legal secretary: Found this one by running a craigslist ad. Single mom, mid 30's but had her kids when she was a teen. Looks a 8, Skills a 9, On the face of it her personality is a 9, but she is a sociapathic liar. When I got a full name etc (after we were getting rooms together) did a background because the stories were not right and found her record. (assumed wrongly that the lawyer would have done one). No more having each other for lunch...

Pot 1 and 2 Single moms in their late 20's Both are 8's with cloths on and both have been slow to move from meeting to FC. Single moms are the best in my experience so I am waiting to see how they play out.

Pot3 Black spinner 20's. Sent me a picture of herself in tights. I scheduled a meet and greet this afternoon.

I am trying to settle this down into a manageable number of good ones but...keep finding them and wanting to see what they are like.

Beaches 2nd picture of the brunette is my idea of a ten. So if I mention tens in my reports, that's what I am talking about. With an injection you can be guaranteed a 3 hour rock hard erection and you could beat this girl's pussy until she cried "uncle".

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2031364]Have to agree, seems like the only thing to do is fit them both into the schedule. Careful, looks like you could be getting yourself get in pretty deep on the emotional entanglement here?[/QUOTE]Not emotionally attached. Just trying to stick to just one. I get tired of all of the juggling and the costs of several.

My point was the one I have is really good and I don't want to see others so much. But this new one popped on the scene so quick and so intense it took me by surprise.

I agree they may both be gone tomorrow. But what I have found there is just no guarantees no matter how many you have. And I just end up exhausted.

We will see. I will try to hit it at least once.

By the way beachesnole...looks like you are killing it brother. What are your costs for these babies?

Revvo.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2031569] With an injection you can be guaranteed a 3 hour rock hard erection and you could beat this girl's pussy until she cried "uncle".[/QUOTE]What kind of injection?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2031569]Beaches 2nd picture of the brunette is my idea of a ten. So if I mention tens in my reports, that's what I am talking about. With an injection you can be guaranteed a 3 hour rock hard erection and you could beat this girl's pussy until she cried "uncle".[/QUOTE]One of the advantages of older age is I can stay in there for a long time anyways. I made fun of her for crying uncle and making me stop for a minute after she had an orgasm She is a 10, I knew the first time I met her that it did not matter what it cost I was going to do it.

So what is the shot? Wow if I had one before the Columbian I would be left with a bloody little nub before she was done. She would not know what me crying "uncle" even meant.

First off, it is a miracle. There is no longer an excuse for an underfunctional penis.

It sounds ghastly but it is painless and effective within 5 minutes. Each user is unique but it keeps me rock hard for 3 + hours no matter what is going on.

It is a prostaglandin E1 intracorporeal injection (into the side of your penis) . The needle is tiny --a 30 ga insulin syringe that fits into a spring loaded injector. You load the injector, place it on the side of your dick, and pull the trigger. You feel a thump as if you flicked the skin with your finger. You then depress the syringe injecting a small amount of fluid into the corporus cavernosum (chamber of the penis). You must hold pressure on the injection site for 1 1/2 to 2 minutes, then stroke yourself 20 times to evenly distribute the medication. Within another minute or two you feel the erection growing to the maximum stretch you are capable of accommodating. From then on no matter what you do that monster is with you until it wears off. You can do your taxes while fucking 12 babes and it will keep on keeping on. Also, your dick will thicken over time from regular use because it stretches the skin more and more. The only downside to a 3 hour erection of that magnitude is it gets sore after an hour or two. Drinking coffee and sitting in a hot bath will make it go down after 20 minutes or so.

So here's how it frequently goes down. My SB and I get to the room. We stroke and kiss each other creating a lot of sexual tension. She goes to the bathroom then I tell her I need to take a leak and freshen up myself. I have it down to a science. My equipment is locked and loaded, I shoot up, and 2 minutes later I'm heading back to the bed with a dick just starting to grow. My Babies usually can't resist grabbing my dick and blowing me while I stand there at the bedside admiring her work. She's thrilled because I am exploding in her mouth growing down her throat and filling up her cheeks. She thinks it is all her amazing sex appeal and skill set, which it frequently is. You will cum as you normally do, but you will not go down after ejaculation. You will stay hard for the full time.

My babies wonder what I do in the BR so long, so I usually take a shower while compressing. It's good to be fresh anyway. They can not understand how a 60 yr old guy can bang their brains out for so long. Some love it, but some don't like being banged on and on. So depending on your partner, you have to pace yourself and her so you don't make her feel like a side of beef. The sex maniacs really love it and worship that penis the whole time.

Make an appointment with a Urologist who specializes in sexual problems of males. You can get a multidose vial for $100 + Each vial lasts for 20 or 30 uses. SO your CPO is only a few bucks. Don't tell the girls your secret and they will think you are Adonis.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2031726]First off, it is a miracle. There is no longer an excuse for an underfunctional penis.

It sounds ghastly but it is painless and effective within 5 minutes. Each user is unique but it keeps me rock hard for 3 + hours no matter what is going on.

Make an appointment with a Urologist who specializes in sexual problems of males. You can get a multidose vial for $100 + Each vial lasts for 20 or 30 uses. SO your CPO is only a few bucks. Don't tell the girls your secret and they will think you are Adonis.[/QUOTE]I've got severe ED issues, to the point where Viagra is not a sure thing every time I'm getting ready for some action. I had heard about these injections, but my immediate reaction was, "There is no way in hell I'm putting a needle into my dick!" But your endorsement of these injections is definitely making me reconsider and I may end up looking into this option. Thanks Fred!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2031726]First off, it is a miracle. There is no longer an excuse for an underfunctional penis.

It sounds ghastly but it is painless and effective within 5 minutes. Each user is unique but it keeps me rock hard for 3 + hours no matter what is going on.

It is a prostaglandin E1 intracorporeal injection (into the side of your penis) . The needle is tiny --a 30 ga insulin syringe that fits into a spring loaded injector. You load the injector, place it on the side of your dick, and pull the trigger. You feel a thump as if you flicked the skin with your finger. You then depress the syringe injecting a small amount of fluid into the corporus cavernosum (chamber of the penis). You must hold pressure on the injection site for 1 1/2 to 2 minutes, then stroke yourself 20 times to evenly distribute the medication. Within another minute or two you feel the erection growing to the maximum stretch you are capable of accommodating. From then on no matter what you do that monster is with you until it wears off. You can do your taxes while fucking 12 babes and it will keep on keeping on. Also, your dick will thicken over time from regular use because it stretches the skin more and more. The only downside to a 3 hour erection of that magnitude is it gets sore after an hour or two. Drinking coffee and sitting in a hot bath will make it go down after 20 minutes or so.

So here's how it frequently goes down. My SB and I get to the room. We stroke and kiss each other creating a lot of sexual tension. She goes to the bathroom then I tell her I need to take a leak and freshen up myself. I have it down to a science. My equipment is locked and loaded, I shoot up, and 2 minutes later I'm heading back to the bed with a dick just starting to grow. My Babies usually can't resist grabbing my dick and blowing me while I stand there at the bedside admiring her work. She's thrilled because I am exploding in her mouth growing down her throat and filling up her cheeks. She thinks it is all her amazing sex appeal and skill set, which it frequently is. You will cum as you normally do, but you will not go down after ejaculation. You will stay hard for the full time.

My babies wonder what I do in the BR so long, so I usually take a shower while compressing. It's good to be fresh anyway. They can not understand how a 60 yr old guy can bang their brains out for so long. Some love it, but some don't like being banged on and on. So depending on your partner, you have to pace yourself and her so you don't make her feel like a side of beef. The sex maniacs really love it and worship that penis the whole time.

Make an appointment with a Urologist who specializes in sexual problems of males. You can get a multidose vial for $100 + Each vial lasts for 20 or 30 uses. SO your CPO is only a few bucks. Don't tell the girls your secret and they will think you are Adonis.[/QUOTE]I been wanting to try that. Vitamin C seems to work fine and many times after cumming you are still hard. But I find most girls are good with 20 to 40 minutes of straight banging, add in the time you spend fingering or doing oral and its usually 45 minutes to 90 minutes anyway. And at 60, yes, you basically have total control of your ejaculation time. I stopped with the marathon sessions last year some time and try to keep a reasonable daily balance. But thanks for the info, as in certain cases I can see where this would be beneficial. And my tolerance to C seems to be growing a bit. So cost is a factor. Although C will be going generic within a year I am told and the price will drop to maybe 50 cents a pill.

But I need the C anyway combined with the flomax to help with the BPH, it really does make a difference.

I've read a little about priapism and general damage from long erections, and I must say all of that scares me. I've never taken enhancements but I've found that caffeine tablets or coffee or and some types of cold medicines can greatly enhance things overall, and are generally good supplementation to the alcohol I'm likely to have in the evening with a SB or date before sex. There have been times when my boner simply does not subside after sex in any reasonable time frame, it just stays hard but it is almost always during some ancillary event alongside the sex act, for example the first time I've been with her, or maybe I know its the last time I'll be with her, etc. I know my heart rate goes up considerably just from drinking, as I feel it, and I assume that's supplying everything else amply.

I think I'm a little younger than many of you guys and my thoughts on chemical enhancements may change as I get older. For now, I think that exercise goes a long way and I'm just wondering to what extent you guys have tried that? I spend at least 30 mins on the treadmill 3-4x a week in addition to weights, running at a decent clip. The more in shape I am and the leaner I get, the more my buddy downstairs seems to be always on alert. Some days I crave sex 3-4 times a day (meaning desire for third round after two already intense pops), other days I don't even think about it (okay I think about it but maybe too tired or busy to initiate it).

I'm actually curious about all of these enhancements, from Viagra to whatever, I just have an anti-pharmaceuticals philosophy and worry about long term side effects so I plan to stay natural as long as possible.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2031788]I've read a little about priapism and general damage from long erections, and I must say all of that scares me. I've never taken enhancements but I've found that caffeine tablets or coffee or and some types of cold medicines can greatly enhance things overall, and are generally good supplementation to the alcohol I'm likely to have in the evening with a SB or date before sex. There have been times when my boner simply does not subside after sex in any reasonable time frame, it just stays hard but it is almost always during some ancillary event alongside the sex act, for example the first time I've been with her, or maybe I know its the last time I'll be with her, etc. I know my heart rate goes up considerably just from drinking, as I feel it, and I assume that's supplying everything else amply.

I think I'm a little younger than many of you guys and my thoughts on chemical enhancements may change as I get older. For now, I think that exercise goes a long way and I'm just wondering to what extent you guys have tried that? I spend at least 30 mins on the treadmill 3-4x a week in addition to weights, running at a decent clip. The more in shape I am and the leaner I get, the more my buddy downstairs seems to be always on alert. Some days I crave sex 3-4 times a day (meaning desire for third round after two already intense pops), other days I don't even think about it (okay I think about it but maybe too tired or busy to initiate it).

I'm actually curious about all of these enhancements, from Viagra to whatever, I just have an anti-pharmaceuticals philosophy and worry about long term side effects so I plan to stay natural as long as possible.[/QUOTE]I have a gym in my house, eat healthy, and have a long distance runners body. Hit 60 and join the club. For me it started at 55. The first time I didn't get it up. Thank god for modern science.

[QUOTE=AliasSM;2031169]Moral of the story: Never Never Never Never Never advance money to a SB. [/QUOTE]On the other side of the coin, I've given an advance twice (once to my first SB and once to my current SB) and both times the girls made sure I was paid back in full, per our agreement when I gave the advance. I would not have done it if I did not feel that both girls were trustworthy, which they definitely were. I have massive trust issues to begin with, so for either girl to gain that much trust with me is no small feat. So sometimes an advance works out, sometimes it doesn't. Depends on the girl, I suppose.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2031837]I have a gym in my house, eat healthy, and have a long distance runners body. Hit 60 and join the club. For me it started at 55. The first time I didn't get it up. Thank god for modern science.[/QUOTE]

Well that gives me something to look forward to. Honestly at 55 or 60 I won't complain if I need some help, glad it's available when I do.

Do you guys do multiple pops on a single boner while using this stuff?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2031755] But thanks for the info, as in certain cases I can see where this would be beneficial. And my tolerance to C seems to be growing a bit. So cost is a factor. Although C will be going generic within a year I am told and the price will drop to maybe 50 cents a pill.

But I need the C anyway combined with the flomax to help with the BPH, it really does make a difference.[/QUOTE]Interesting topic. It's something that I've been looking into recently. I have experimented with Viagra from time to time when I feel like showing off. But the stuffy nose, flush skin, and occasional headache have me looking elsewhere. They also recommend taking it on an empty stomach. This can pose some logistical issues. In a recent visit to my urologist, he gave me some samples of Staxyn. For those that don't know, it is Levitra in different form. It is a tablet that dissolves on your tongue, tastes like (and leaves you with the results of) a breath mint, and can be taken no matter what you eat. My experience has been hours of rock hard fun as long as I'm stimulated. I can cum and keep going without skipping a beat. It works so well that I can feel the effects a couple of days later. After trying it a few times, I looked into replacements and they want a mint for this stuff. There is no generic that I can find and at $12+ per dose, its a tough pill to swallow. Has anyone else used it? Anyone find a reasonable supplier?

I did some reading on Flomax, I must admit that the (seemingly) common side affect of retrograde ejaculation has me concerned. Have you or anyone else here had that happen?

[QUOTE=HappyLover;2032068]Interesting topic. It's something that I've been looking into recently. I have experimented with Viagra from time to time when I feel like showing off. But the stuffy nose, flush skin, and occasional headache have me looking elsewhere. They also recommend taking it on an empty stomach. This can pose some logistical issues. In a recent visit to my urologist, he gave me some samples of Staxyn. For those that don't know, it is Levitra in different form. It is a tablet that dissolves on your tongue, tastes like (and leaves you with the results of) a breath mint, and can be taken no matter what you eat. My experience has been hours of rock hard fun as long as I'm stimulated. I can cum and keep going without skipping a beat. It works so well that I can feel the effects a couple of days later. After trying it a few times, I looked into replacements and they want a mint for this stuff. There is no generic that I can find and at $12+ per dose, its a tough pill to swallow. Has anyone else used it? Anyone find a reasonable supplier?

I did some reading on Flomax, I must admit that the (seemingly) common side affect of retrograde ejaculation has me concerned. Have you or anyone else here had that happen?[/QUOTE]I don't know if this is off topic. But what the heck. Viagra, can't take it, too many side effects. Leveitra, same problem, Cialis, almost no side effects unless I take too much (like 15 mg at once). I don't do that anymore. As far as BPH, flomax is the best. Life without it is miserable. The combo of cialis and flomax is almost like I am back to normal. As far as retrograde ejaculation. Sometimes it happens. But not often. Orgasm and ejaculation are two separate events anyway. For you younger guys, learn the art of how to have as many orgasms as you want. Because everyone has a limit to how many times they can ejaculate, but there is no limit to how many times you can orgasm. I normally go for one long session and pop once. But if the girl is willing to give me what I need the way I need it I will go for two. And two in a day is no problem, Like once in the day and once at night.

Sex changes over time but the funny thing is I really enjoy the experiences I have now more than when I was younger. And I think the girls generally do too.

I'm pretty sure the general answer to this will be "Fuck 'them" and that has been my approach. But I'd like to solicit thoughts on the responses you get in public to a an obvious huge age gap. I've had lots of smirks at restaurants, snide comments ("you have a lovely daughter" and a situation at a hockey game that I thought might get out of hand. As a result I try to limit PDA, both to avoid controversy and to make it easier on the SB. Trying to decide whether I should continue that policy or just go all out and own it. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2031755]I been wanting to try that. Vitamin C seems to work fine and many times after cumming you are still hard. But I find most girls are good with 20 to 40 minutes of straight banging, add in the time you spend fingering or doing oral and its usually 45 minutes to 90 minutes anyway. And at 60, yes, you basically have total control of your ejaculation time. I stopped with the marathon sessions last year some time and try to keep a reasonable daily balance. But thanks for the info, as in certain cases I can see where this would be beneficial. And my tolerance to C seems to be growing a bit. So cost is a factor. Although C will be going generic within a year I am told and the price will drop to maybe 50 cents a pill.

But I need the C anyway combined with the flomax to help with the BPH, it really does make a difference.[/QUOTE]Oh wait. Cialis? I was ready to start popping vitamin C's. If only.

Good discussion on V, C, and others. I am 53, could lose a few pounds, and have had a few bouts with droopy noodle. As HG said, that is a huge wake-up call. I really think that it's mostly mental-if I am comfortable with someone it almost never happens. If it's a situation where I'm nervous (e.g. Meeting a UTR girl at her sketchy place where I'm not in control-big problem) I know the solution there is "Don't do that! That being said I've tried both viagra and cialis. The V seems to work most of the time, except in the stressful situations above. The cialis I have tried has been a generic version from India and the anecdotal evidence for me is that it's not as effective for me (but maybe it was a bad batch or in the wrong situations, who knows?) I do agree that when I'm on a good fitness routine things are better. As far as alcohol, Jeez mentioned that he thinks it's a helper. When I was young, no matter how much I had to drink I could get rock hard and the benefit was I could go forever without popping. As you age the tables turn... A couple of drinks are ok, but you reach a point where it's just not going to work. Alcohol actually constricts the capillaries and reduces blood flow, and that is death to the erection. I had not heard of these shots, seems extreme, but I am going to have to look into it!

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2032108]Good discussion on V, C, and others. I am 53, could lose a few pounds, and have had a few bouts with droopy noodle. As HG said, that is a huge wake-up call. I really think that it's mostly mental-if I am comfortable with someone it almost never happens. If it's a situation where I'm nervous (e.g. Meeting a UTR girl at her sketchy place where I'm not in control-big problem) I know the solution there is "Don't do that! That being said I've tried both viagra and cialis. The V seems to work most of the time, except in the stressful situations above. The cialis I have tried has been a generic version from India and the anecdotal evidence for me is that it's not as effective for me (but maybe it was a bad batch or in the wrong situations, who knows?) I do agree that when I'm on a good fitness routine things are better. As far as alcohol, Jeez mentioned that he thinks it's a helper. When I was young, no matter how much I had to drink I could get rock hard and the benefit was I could go forever without popping. As you age the tables turn... A couple of drinks are ok, but you reach a point where it's just not going to work. Alcohol actually constricts the capillaries and reduces blood flow, and that is death to the erection. I had not heard of these shots, seems extreme, but I am going to have to look into it![/QUOTE]Only use name brand made in the USA Cialis.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2032108]As far as alcohol, Jeez mentioned that he thinks it's a helper. When I was young, no matter how much I had to drink I could get rock hard and the benefit was I could go forever without popping. As you age the tables turn... A couple of drinks are ok, but you reach a point where it's just not going to work. Alcohol actually constricts the capillaries and reduces blood flow, and that is death to the erection. I had not heard of these shots, seems extreme, but I am going to have to look into it![/QUOTE]I fully expect things will change with me soon enough, but just know that alcohol affects different people in different ways. In many it acts as a blood thinner and can definitely improve an erection. Here's one interesting article on the matter:

"Drinking alcohol has a complex effect on your circulation. In moderate amounts, alcohol can cause blood vessel dilation which actually improves circulation. This is why people report feeling warmer while they are drinking. Excess drinking can cause an increase in your blood pressure, but is not specifically associated with poor circulation.".

[URL]https://www.zocdoc.com/answers/3158/does-alcohol-constrict-blood-vessels[/URL]#.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2032101]I'm pretty sure the general answer to this will be "Fuck 'them" and that has been my approach. But I'd like to solicit thoughts on the responses you get in public to a an obvious huge age gap. I've had lots of smirks at restaurants, snide comments ("you have a lovely daughter" and a situation at a hockey game that I thought might get out of hand. As a result I try to limit PDA, both to avoid controversy and to make it easier on the SB. Trying to decide whether I should continue that policy or just go all out and own it. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I normally like at least some PDA, but I certainly understand if a SB is against it. My current SB has in fact requested no PDA when we're in her neck of the woods because she knows a lot of people and does not want word to get out about her extracurricular activities. I have no problem with that and I can certainly understand her concerns. So my thoughts on the matter is that, as long as it's not a deal breaker for you, just go with what the SB is comfortable with. If PDA is a must for you, just add that into your list of "must haves" when interviewing candidates. If necessary, just have the two of you meet in areas where neither of you know anyone.

And in other news: I'm quite proud to note I'm a senior member now!

Lots of good commentary and useful for us oldsters in the sex game.

BPH =benign prostatic hypertrophy is a common degenerative change as one ages. It restricts the outflow of urine and semen which is good for ejaculation because the pressure is higher but bad for urination. Flomax works great and can cause vasodilation and therefore erectile / orgasm problems. YMMV I can't live w / out it. The Shot has changed my life in the sex department. V and see don't cut it for me anymore. The only problem with the shot I mentioned before is the long effect. THe first few dozen times I worried about Priapism, because treatment for that is damaging to long term function. Ifyou have a quickie planned and get your rocks off and don't have hours to play with your SB, then you are stuck with that hard on for 3 more hours with nowhere to put it.

Staxyn sounds good so I will look into that for shorter sessions.

PDA is not a concern for me when in a safe area away from potential recognition. My SDs generally don't like it in their area but away they have not seemed to care. Some are not affectionate anyway and those I phase out over time.

Alcohol is a mixed bag. It causes vasodilation of surface blood vessels but not the ones in the penis. The benefit to most drinkers is the anti anxiety benefit. It relaxes you centrally (your brain after all is the largest sex organ in the body) and lets your body do it's thing. Too much alcohol works against all of that and clouds your judgement and definitely interferes with sexual function.

Fitness is helpful for overall health etc. We all know that. In my case I am extremely fit, normal weight, etc, but nothing helps my sex function except chemical enhancement.

Youth Embrace it while you have it guys, but someday you might need the chemicals. If you function fine on your own, don't mess with it until you need it. Having 12 orgasms / day is not normal. Some hyper orgasmic men have a compulsive / addiction which can interfere with your life. Face it, if you have to ejaculate more than a few times / day (except special occasions when playing with a super hot young baby every so often, it can get in the way of normal life.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2032077]I don't know if this is off topic. But what the heck. Viagra, can't take it, too many side effects. Leveitra, same problem, Cialis, almost no side effects unless I take too much (like 15 mg at once). I don't do that anymore. As far as BPH, flomax is the best. Life without it is miserable. The combo of cialis and flomax is almost like I am back to normal. As far as retrograde ejaculation. Sometimes it happens. But not often. Orgasm and ejaculation are two separate events anyway. For you younger guys, learn the art of how to have as many orgasms as you want. Because everyone has a limit to how many times they can ejaculate, but there is no limit to how many times you can orgasm. I normally go for one long session and pop once. But if the girl is willing to give me what I need the way I need it I will go for two. And two in a day is no problem, Like once in the day and once at night.

Sex changes over time but the funny thing is I really enjoy the experiences I have now more than when I was younger. And I think the girls generally do too.[/QUOTE]Hollywood,

I have read about this. The separation of the orgasm from ejaculation but not sure how you go about it. I have had it happen to me a couple of times accidentally but do not know how to orgasm without ejaculation and sustain that for an extended period of time.

How did you learn this? Do you have any tips?

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2032409]Hollywood,

I have read about this. The separation of the orgasm from ejaculation but not sure how you go about it. I have had it happen to me a couple of times accidentally but do not know how to orgasm without ejaculation and sustain that for an extended period of time.

How did you learn this? Do you have any tips?

Revvo.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.amazon.com/The-Multi-Orgasmic-Man-Sexual-Secrets/dp/0062513362[/URL]

Its a lot of work and you need the right partner (makes things easier). Much better for younger guys. At this point I have more of the opposite problem. Needing excessive amounts of stimulation to get off. The only good part of that is I can get to a peak and stay their for quite a while. Where at a younger age that peak would have taken me to the point of no return.

Overall the book has some great tips and techniques that would benefit any age man. It also made me re-evaluate the quality of my sex partners. But so did getting into the sugar word. What we think of as a 7 or 8 in the skills dept would probably be most guys 10+

Just getting my toe in the water here. First 2 contacts.

[URL]https://fetlife.com/users/1274902[/URL]

Didn't even bother to get her rates. GPS with a passion I am sure.

[URL]https://fetlife.com/users/2302919[/URL]

Met this one at a party. But she has only emailed me and nothing so far except for some minor flirting at the party.

Sorry to interrupt the pharmaceutical conversation (though taking notes, since I'm probably getting towards the point where I'll need the advice), but I got another surprise I have to share.

Had some errands to run halfway between my house and my SB's. On a whim texted her to see if she wanted to meet me at the mall, figuring I'd pick her up a specific item I've been looking for but haven't been able to find. Of course, maniac that she is, we never make it inside. Cuddle time in the car, turns into BJ, which turns into "go park somewhere in the corner", which turns into longer BJ, which then turns into her on top because she just can't stand it anymore.

Good thing I had an appointment to get to, since she probably would have kept going long enough for us to attract unwanted attention. With the BJ, I could at least lay low with her kneeling on the floor. The rest, well, even with her clothed from the waist up it would be pretty clear what was going on for anyone bothering to look.

So... Mall parking lot, broad daylight. Check.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2032577]Sorry to interrupt the pharmaceutical conversation (though taking notes, since I'm probably getting towards the point where I'll need the advice), but I got another surprise I have to share.

Had some errands to run halfway between my house and my SB's. On a whim texted her to see if she wanted to meet me at the mall, figuring I'd pick her up a specific item I've been looking for but haven't been able to find. Of course, maniac that she is, we never make it inside. Cuddle time in the car, turns into BJ, which turns into "go park somewhere in the corner", which turns into longer BJ, which then turns into her on top because she just can't stand it anymore.

Good thing I had an appointment to get to, since she probably would have kept going long enough for us to attract unwanted attention. With the BJ, I could at least lay low with her kneeling on the floor. The rest, well, even with her clothed from the waist up it would be pretty clear what was going on for anyone bothering to look.

So... Mall parking lot, broad daylight. Check.[/QUOTE]I love spontaneous (or even planned) car dates. None of my current girls seem to into that at the moment.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2032577]Sorry to interrupt the pharmaceutical conversation (though taking notes, since I'm probably getting towards the point where I'll need the advice), but I got another surprise I have to share.

Had some errands to run halfway between my house and my SB's. On a whim texted her to see if she wanted to meet me at the mall, figuring I'd pick her up a specific item I've been looking for but haven't been able to find. Of course, maniac that she is, we never make it inside. Cuddle time in the car, turns into BJ, which turns into "go park somewhere in the corner", which turns into longer BJ, which then turns into her on top because she just can't stand it anymore.

Good thing I had an appointment to get to, since she probably would have kept going long enough for us to attract unwanted attention. With the BJ, I could at least lay low with her kneeling on the floor. The rest, well, even with her clothed from the waist up it would be pretty clear what was going on for anyone bothering to look.

So... Mall parking lot, broad daylight. Check.[/QUOTE]Nice. Car sex, particularly in public, is one of my favorites. Recently a M&G with a college girl turned into an all night fuck session in my hotel, which was a high-rise with another high-rise right across the street (good window views). Left the lights on and blinds up so everyone in that building got a nice show. I haven't seen any videos of my bobbing ass show up on the net so far, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2032547]Just getting my toe in the water here. First 2 contacts.

[URL]https://fetlife.com/users/1274902[/URL]

Didn't even bother to get her rates. GPS with a passion I am sure.

[URL]https://fetlife.com/users/2302919[/URL]

Met this one at a party. But she has only emailed me and nothing so far except for some minor flirting at the party.[/QUOTE]Dude is this only for people with fetishes? Or can you play if not into fetishes?

Is older men dating young women considered a fetish?

I am intrigued.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2032662]Dude is this only for people with fetishes? Or can you play if not into fetishes?

Is older men dating young women considered a fetish?

I am intrigued.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]It is considered a fetish.

It seems like there might be some interesting fetishes on that site. Girls can classify themselves as a baby girl. Heck, a little kink never hurt anyone...right? LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2032672]It is considered a fetish.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2032672]It is considered a fetish.[/QUOTE]Hmm... Which means we would be doing them a favor even without an allowance. I'm liking it better and better.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2032582]Nice. Car sex, particularly in public, is one of my favorites. Recently a M&G with a college girl turned into an all night fuck session in my hotel, which was a high-rise with another high-rise right across the street (good window views). Left the lights on and blinds up so everyone in that building got a nice show. I haven't seen any videos of my bobbing ass show up on the net so far, but I wouldn't be surprised.[/QUOTE]Heh, wow. Closest I've come to that is the amount of noise she makes in a hotel (well, ok, her BJ-in-the-movie-theater stunt was pretty close). Our last hotel romp with the spontaneous do-it-in-the-chair was especially loud, which freaked me out a bit, and as it turned out it could have been avoided just by moving the chair away from the desk. She's now been telling me, "we've *got* to get you out of your shell! Which is probably true.

And the car sex thing, for a guy who could never get the girl when he was a teenager, is especially gratifying now.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;2032726]Heh, wow. Closest I've come to that is the amount of noise she makes in a hotel (well, ok, her BJ-in-the-movie-theater stunt was pretty close). Our last hotel romp with the spontaneous do-it-in-the-chair was especially loud, which freaked me out a bit, and as it turned out it could have been avoided just by moving the chair away from the desk. She's now been telling me, "we've *got* to get you out of your shell! Which is probably true.

And the car sex thing, for a guy who could never get the girl when he was a teenager, is especially gratifying now.[/QUOTE]

In some ways car sex is more fun because you always have the risk of getting a tap on the window and a flashlight in your face. However, there is always that fantasy that the cop is hot latina who has been watching for about 5 minutes silently rubbing herself and is only knocking to ask if she can join the party.

The high-rise show was great, but it's something I couldn't have planned if I tried, it just came together like that so it will leave me with a great memory (and hopefully not a trail of viral videos that come back to haunt me later :)

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2032694]Hmm... Which means we would be doing them a favor even without an allowance. I'm liking it better and better.[/QUOTE]So far its been a lot of work with little response. But there are some beautiful girls. If I get lucky I,ll let you all know. But ostensibly it's not about money per se. But you know how that goes.

So remember my story two days ago about the new 37 YO MILF that was causing me to think about straying from my ATF? Well much more has happened since then. And as usual it is not a simple story. Well after we met. We had agreed to meet for some steamy FC fun the next day at her house. Which was private and convenient and her kid is not there during the day. Perfect. I was ready for this one. And she seemed to be so into this also. Then the next morning she tells me that she has a 2nd job interview and can not meet so we will have to postpone. I was cool with it even though I wanted to get balls deep into that fine first class pussy as soon as possible.

Then things started to happen. Communication got a little more obscure and less frequent. Finally at the end of the day she tells me via text. Since I could not get her to talk on the phone anymore. That she got the new job. Then she tells me that she has been talking to her "cousin" who works for SDforme and that the 200 per week she had agreed to was way too low. And that she was "concerned" about what to do. But she had plenty of help from some sugarbaby blog and her "cousin" who told her that she should get a minimum of 500 per week. Man this went to shit real quick. Just think if I could have got to her a little earlier. It would have been different. So then it was amicable I figured I would let her swim around in the cesspool that is the bowl for a little while and then hit her up. Then today this text string happened much to my surprise my comments are in parenthesis:

Her: How was your day love? I just got home from the dinner! Interesting to say 7:03 PM (she got home at 7:03 from dinner? LOL).

Me: It was awesome did a big presentation and blew them away.. 7:05 PM.

Me: ...how did yours go? 7:05 PM.

Her: Well work was great than met the client cousin set up and It went good thank god very scared just had dinner only and he recognized me from food network just dinner he had roses and monthly allowance in envelope without anything but dinner do a lot of burden lifted I came home and a new washer was waiting with a bow I feel ok I never had gifts in my life 7:11 PM (notice how she stressed nothing happened twice I am not buying it, so I figured two could play this LOL).

Me: Cool...I am meeting a new little honey tomorrow...very cute 26 and sweet...she hasn't even asked for any money so far... 7:15 PM.

Her: That's awesome baby! That's really great) 7:18 PM (this is getting strange LOL).

Me: I know I am excited 7:19 PM.

My analysis? I think she is full of shit. I think there is no cousin. And that she is still into me, and is trying to get me to come up with more money. Now I may be full of shit. But why else would she contact me and tell me this bullshit story.

So brothers tell me what you think. She also sent me the hottest pic so far tonight. I wonder if her "client" is getting this kind of attention. LOL.

Oh by the way the whole time my little Italian princess my ATF was texting me all kinds of naughty stuff as she is registering for a bikini contest.

Busy evening LOL.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2032892]So brothers tell me what you think. She also sent me the hottest pic so far tonight. I wonder if her "client" is getting this kind of attention. LOL.

Oh by the way the whole time my little Italian princess my ATF was texting me all kinds of naughty stuff as she is registering for a bikini contest.

Busy evening LOL.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]For me, I'd be totally done with that. After an exchange like you describe, there's very few explanations that add up to anything good. As you well know, a lot of times it's just not meant to be, and you only find that out in the endgame. And often you never really figure out why. My rough parallels are the HCB-with-cold-feet and the HYM-that-went-sour. In both cases it went from really positive to unsalvageable in no time flat, for very different reasons. But there was no path to redemption in either one, so I moved on.

It sounds like you've got a good thing going with your ATF, much like my situation, so I'd just keep things uncomplicated and be grateful you found a winner.

But that's just me, and I think my biases are pretty well known by now.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2032892]...Her: Well work was great than met the client cousin set up and It went good thank god very scared just had dinner only and he recognized me from food network just dinner he had roses and monthly allowance in envelope without anything but dinner do a lot of burden lifted I came home and a new washer was waiting with a bow I feel ok I never had gifts in my life 7:11 PM (notice how she stressed nothing happened twice I am not buying it, so I figured two could play this LOL).

Me: Cool...I am meeting a new little honey tomorrow...very cute 26 and sweet...she hasn't even asked for any money so far... 7:15 PM.

Her: That's awesome baby! That's really great) 7:18 PM (this is getting strange LOL).

Me: I know I am excited 7:19 PM.

...[/QUOTE]Let her spin for awhile. For her it's TGTBF! A gold-mine! Personally, I don't buy it.

[QUOTE=Revvo;2032892]S

Her: Well work was great than met the client cousin set up and It went good thank god very scared just had dinner only and he recognized me from food network just dinner he had roses and monthly allowance in envelope without anything but dinner do a lot of burden lifted I came home and a new washer was waiting with a bow I feel ok I never had gifts in my life 7:11 PM (notice how she stressed nothing happened twice I am not buying it, so I figured two could play this LOL).


So brothers tell me what you think. She also sent me the hottest pic so far tonight. I wonder if her "client" is getting this kind of attention. LOL.


Revvo.[/QUOTE]We do it, they do it. She scored a new Daddy (no sex? Riiiight!) She wants to play multiples and maximize her income. You have 2 choices.

1) Give her 1 more chance to make you happy IF you are OK with her having other SDs, or.

2) Bag her and ride your Italian Princess until she finds a better deal.

In the end they all want more than they have. It's all about the money. Girls like sex as a tool to get what they want in life, which is security.

My FB hit me up with the disaster of the month. The amt was over $1000 , just a loan for a week. I didn't respond other than to say "sorry for your loss ". Over the week the amt dropped. I finally saw her for our usual meeting and nothing was said. Don't fall for the Nando 1 leanings.

Pot #1 I was working a few months ago. She is a hot little teenybopper who lives alone but can't activate her phone. She still wants $50 to turn her phone on so we can talk. Now I wasn't born yesterday but I sure would like to fuck that little tart. I might throw $50 into the pot with a promise of more if she meets up with me. But that is seed money to be lost most likely. The other option is to drive 1 1/2 hours to meet her with the promise of phone and allowance money if I like her. Any other thoughts?