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Her sentencing was this morning at 9. WZZM 13 was there. 1 year in county and 3 years probation. During which time she cannot own, operate or work in a massage business or any other business that could be a front for.

This has been a very tough run for her. And she is only half way there. She is one of the kindest yet toughest ladies I have ever had the privilege of calling friend. She has been so helpful to so many. It is such a shame that she is in this position.

Feel free to DM me. It may take a few days for me to read it. I don't log in as much as I used to.

ST.

[QUOTE=TypicalDude;7343680]I texted Milan to see how she's doing, and she asked me to share an update about her sentencing. It's tomorrow (Thursday) at 9:00 am According to the agreement, she will be starting her one-year sentence tomorrow morning, at the conclusion of the sentencing appearance. She says that none of the girls whom she took in at the spa agreed to write a character statement on her behalf. As you may already know, Milan helped people out all the time, and she definitely helped these girls, repeatedly. It definitely would've been helpful if they would've repped her with even the briefest, positive, written statements prior to the plea deal. She really get thrown under the bus, and now she's looking at a whole year in lockup, which is awful on so many levels.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StripperTipper;7344718]Her sentencing was this morning at 9. WZZM 13 was there. 1 year in county and 3 years probation. During which time she cannot own, operate or work in a massage business or any other business that could be a front for.

This has been a very tough run for her. And she is only half way there. She is one of the kindest yet toughest ladies I have ever had the privilege of calling friend. She has been so helpful to so many. It is such a shame that she is in this position.

Feel free to DM me. It may take a few days for me to read it. I don't log in as much as I used to.

ST.[/QUOTE]A year in county is not as bad as prison. Hopefully it will be 6 months because of over crowding. Sucks that this happened.

[QUOTE=SlyGuy12;7344767]A year in county is not as bad as prison. Hopefully it will be 6 months because of over crowding. Sucks that this happened.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/crime/grand-rapids-massage-parlor-prostitution-sentencing/69-184680de-74ea-436e-a893-6e66edee8987[/URL]

It will be much less if she helps LEO prosecute clients. No licensed staff is why AMPs sneak through. Why she accepted a plea deal is weird to me because what she was doing wouldn't get a year in jail. Stay safe out there until she is released.

[QUOTE=BeanLicker;7345779][URL]https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/crime/grand-rapids-massage-parlor-prostitution-sentencing/69-184680de-74ea-436e-a893-6e66edee8987[/URL]

It will be much less if she helps LEO prosecute clients. No licensed staff is why AMPs sneak through. Why she accepted a plea deal is weird to me because what she was doing wouldn't get a year in jail. Stay safe out there until she is released.[/QUOTE]I think the answer to this is that they successfully used fear and intimidation to scare her into the plea. This started as soon as she was arrested. They seized all of her liquid assets so she could not afford her own defense. It continued through the charging phase (four serious felonies). And finally making her believe she was going to prison for at least 40 years. I spoke with her earlier today. She is not enjoying herself. That is for sure.

ST.

I found out recently that a provider who is currently on vacay with Uncle still has STG ads being posted. These ads have a few different stats in them. Pics are her. The ads changed slightly around the same time she was arrested. May share more info in DM. Be alert. Do due diligence.

ST.

[QUOTE=StripperTipper;7346020]I found out recently that a provider who is currently on vacay with Uncle still has STG ads being posted. These ads have a few different stats in them. Pics are her. The ads changed slightly around the same time she was arrested. May share more info in DM. Be alert. Do due diligence.

ST.[/QUOTE]So name her. This is a an information site.

[QUOTE=StripperTipper;7346020]I found out recently that a provider who is currently on vacay with Uncle still has STG ads being posted. These ads have a few different stats in them. Pics are her. The ads changed slightly around the same time she was arrested. May share more info in DM. Be alert. Do due diligence.

ST.[/QUOTE]ST has given me the information as well. I will gladly pass it along as well. Feel free to dm me to lighten the load on ST.

[QUOTE=BeanLicker;7345779][URL]https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/crime/grand-rapids-massage-parlor-prostitution-sentencing/69-184680de-74ea-436e-a893-6e66edee8987[/URL]

It will be much less if she helps LEO prosecute clients. No licensed staff is why AMPs sneak through. Why she accepted a plea deal is weird to me because what she was doing wouldn't get a year in jail. Stay safe out there until she is released.[/QUOTE]The AMPs have registered State business licenses and city permits to operate, in addition to licensed staff. Something Milan didn't have. She was an easy get for LEO. The AMPs typically don't have a Gene promoting them relentlessly either!

Why not just post her name or link to an ad?

[QUOTE=StripperTipper;7346020]I found out recently that a provider who is currently on vacay with Uncle still has STG ads being posted. These ads have a few different stats in them. Pics are her. The ads changed slightly around the same time she was arrested. May share more info in DM. Be alert. Do due diligence.

ST.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;7346097]The AMPs have registered State business licenses and city permits to operate, in addition to licensed staff. Something Milan didn't have. She was an easy get for LEO. The AMPs typically don't have a Gene promoting them relentlessly either![/QUOTE]She was probably told by all these nice guys to open her own thing, don't worry AMPs do it. No one realizes AMPs stay largely untouched because they are licensed and keep what happens behind closed doors closed. Every other parlor or common place that was opened was eventually closed, coincidentally all promoted by nice guys. Milan needed nice guys for legal support spending a year in jail for what she did is crazy. One of these nice guys probably brought a lady into JD to work and was told she needed to pay for room rent by fucking and now it's trafficking.

How does the community view tattoos? Do you have a preference? I find the more women I see younger than me the more they are tatted out and it's becoming ugly in many cases. Breast tattoos especially it's almost like the same type of person gets those and it's a flag for me to stay away. Any good tattoo chicks out there where it isn't some random hodge podge? Maybe I like my women ink free but open to well done art too.

[QUOTE=BeanLicker;7347419]How does the community view tattoos? Do you have a preference? I find the more women I see younger than me the more they are tatted out and it's becoming ugly in many cases. Breast tattoos especially it's almost like the same type of person gets those and it's a flag for me to stay away. Any good tattoo chicks out there where it isn't some
random hodge podge? Maybe I like my women ink free but open to well done art too.[/QUOTE]I'm completely fine with it. I'm inked up myself. I will say it looks way better if they have a great tattoo artist, though.

Has anyone dated a provider or actually succeeded to have a healthy relationship with one? I don't want to say much but I have been trying for the last few months to successfully rehabilitate a certain person to be in a relationship with. Not exactly the smartest decision I've made but I have known her for 10+ years and I have always had a thing for her. There has been the issue of overcoming her usage. She is still young enough to pull out a wildcard and succeed in life.

[QUOTE=Dean27;7353632]Has anyone dated a provider or actually succeeded to have a healthy relationship with one? I don't want to say much but I have been trying for the last few months to successfully rehabilitate a certain person to be in a relationship with. Not exactly the smartest decision I've made but I have known her for 10+ years and I have always had a thing for her. There has been the issue of overcoming her usage. She is still young enough to pull out a wildcard and succeed in life.[/QUOTE]You can still support her without being her boyfriend. I don't have direct experience with it but a healthy relationship and a former hooker isn't likely.

[QUOTE=Dean27;7353632]Has anyone dated a provider or actually succeeded to have a healthy relationship with one? I don't want to say much but I have been trying for the last few months to successfully rehabilitate a certain person to be in a relationship with. Not exactly the smartest decision I've made but I have known her for 10+ years and I have always had a thing for her. There has been the issue of overcoming her usage. She is still young enough to pull out a wildcard and succeed in life.[/QUOTE]Many postings in the past about about can a ***** become a house wife. The answer was NO. I talked to a few that had tried and the answer was the same. Too boring.

I just chatted with one last night who has been sober 3.5 yrs now but had one slip in Oct. She gave a ride to someone that lit a bowl in the car and handed it to her. People in recovery all have different math, but she is going to meetings and reading the big book. Her drug addiction was heavy when she was in GR. She's in Virginia now. She is not in a relationship. Just got out of one. Living with family.

Most need help, Addiction doesn't disappear.

[QUOTE=Dean27;7353632]Has anyone dated a provider or actually succeeded to have a healthy relationship with one? I don't want to say much but I have been trying for the last few months to successfully rehabilitate a certain person to be in a relationship with. Not exactly the smartest decision I've made but I have known her for 10+ years and I have always had a thing for her. There has been the issue of overcoming her usage. She is still young enough to pull out a wildcard and succeed in life.[/QUOTE]I advise against this. I speak from experience. I once got close to a working woman and spend dates discussing her life, interests, family, and history. I've taken her on dinner dates and even just hung out at her house. Before I decided to take the next step, I spoke with another trusted provider and she gave me the wisest advice I could have ever received. She stated that you can never overcome her addiction. She has an addiction to drugs, she has an addiction to money. Idc how much you make, you won't be able to keep up. Additionally, if she wanted to change, she would have taken the leap already. Do you think you're the first? Doubtful. There's a reason that girl stood out to you over the others. You only set yourself up for disappointment. This advice came from Pixie a couple years ago BTW. I took her advice and never looked back. Looking back on it now, she was absolutely right and very knowledgeable in her assessment of women in this field. In short, save yourself the time and resources. Don't do it.

[QUOTE=AustinRamos1;7355359]I advise against this. I speak from experience. I once got close to a working woman and spend dates discussing her life, interests, family, and history. I've taken her on dinner dates and even just hung out at her house. Before I decided to take the next step, I spoke with another trusted provider and she gave me the wisest advice I could have ever received. She stated that you can never overcome her addiction. She has an addiction to drugs, she has an addiction to money. Idc how much you make, you won't be able to keep up. Additionally, if she wanted to change, she would have taken the leap already. Do you think you're the first? Doubtful. There's a reason that girl stood out to you over the others. You only set yourself up for disappointment. This advice came from Pixie a couple years ago BTW. I took her advice and never looked back. Looking back on it now, she was absolutely right and very knowledgeable in her assessment of women in this field. In short, save yourself the time and resources. Don't do it.[/QUOTE]Sound advice. We all like girls. We all form some sort of connection with girls we see frequently. Those of us who don't have boundaries are going to end up with issues. Let's start with the simplest fact: We are all looking to engage with women in sexual ways we prefer; women who are looking to get every dollar they can out of us. That dynamic is the only real connection there is between us.

I've seen a few girls over time. I'll take them through a drive-through, pick up a bucket of chicken or a pizza. I'll never pay a bill. I'll never wire money, I'll never forget that the basis of the relationship is that I have to establish the boundaries and hold to them. And that's not just with the drug addicts. Same deal with the dating sites. I'm not paying bills, tuition, shopping, credit cards, etc. I'm looking for sex, not marriage.

[QUOTE=Dean27;7353632]Has anyone dated a provider or actually succeeded to have a healthy relationship with one? I don't want to say much but I have been trying for the last few months to successfully rehabilitate a certain person to be in a relationship with. Not exactly the smartest decision I've made but I have known her for 10+ years and I have always had a thing for her. There has been the issue of overcoming her usage. She is still young enough to pull out a wildcard and succeed in life.[/QUOTE]I have been in a similar situation once, after seeing a provider for several years I wanted more and she claimed she wanted more and unfortunately it was all part of the game.

She ultimately was after as much money as she could get and had no problem reading the room to get just that, it if course ended quickly and cost me a considerable amount of financial loss.

I of. Course still see providers (not her) and I do tend to treat them very well, shopping, dinner etc.

I have found that being a decent guy can be a character flaw but I have also learned the hard way to set my own boundaries and adhere to them.

I currently see one provider and treat her very well almost like a girlfriend I would say but I simply won't cross that line again for my own mental security.

You ultimately have the final say and who are we to judge you for that. The provider in question may be the one for you, she may be different but statistically that is highly improbable.

I wish you the very best and the strength to successfully guide you through this sir. JK.

[QUOTE=JustKreepin;7355733]I have been in a similar situation once, after seeing a provider for several years I wanted more and she claimed she wanted more and unfortunately it was all part of the game.

She ultimately was after as much money as she could get and had no problem reading the room to get just that, it if course ended quickly and cost me a considerable amount of financial loss.

I of. Course still see providers (not her) and I do tend to treat them very well, shopping, dinner etc.

I have found that being a decent guy can be a character flaw but I have also learned the hard way to set my own boundaries and adhere to them.

I currently see one provider and treat her very well almost like a girlfriend I would say but I simply won't cross that line again for my own mental security.

You ultimately have the final say and who are we to judge you for that. The provider in question may be the one for you, she may be different but statistically that is highly improbable.

I wish you the very best and the strength to successfully guide you through this sir. JK.[/QUOTE]I had one that is still currently part time active (I won't give up her name).

She started crying in my last secession with her. I asked her what is up and she said she really cared about me and feels like home when I am around. Told me I can come when ever I want and don't worry about the donation.

She then started texting me that night how much she is in love with me and just wants to see me. Again said no donation and has real feelings for me.

I declined and said I would reach back out when I was done with a business trip and then she went nuts on me through text. So I just moved on. This was a few years ago.

It has been a while now but for a long time she was texting me about once every month or so saying she misses me.

[QUOTE=Dean27;7353632]Has anyone dated a provider or actually succeeded to have a healthy relationship with one? I don't want to say much but I have been trying for the last few months to successfully rehabilitate a certain person to be in a relationship with. Not exactly the smartest decision I've made but I have known her for 10+ years and I have always had a thing for her. There has been the issue of overcoming her usage. She is still young enough to pull out a wildcard and succeed in life.[/QUOTE]I got very involved with a provider that got out. We kept in touch and things got closer and closer for us. No money, no gifts, just attention. She knew I was married and she was OK with that. It was fantastic for a year and a half. She lived with her mom, and we worked schedules out so that we had a good amount of time together.

Then she had some things go wrong at home. She got very angry about absolutely everything. Then she said that I needed to take her way on a vacation. I laughed and said that wouldn't work. Then about a week later, I walked into my house and found my wife and kids at the table waiting for me. IT turns out the girl looked up all my kids on social media, and let them know everything that was happening. They in turn told my wife and my life ended up in a pot.

I confronted her and she said that the only way she could have me was to get rid of my wife. It turns out that she was bi-polar and now off of her meds. I have been making up for that mistake for years now. I don't get involved any more. I don't share my real name anymore. I never use a personal phone anymore. It's all just business.

None of it was worth it! Don't do it.

Play safe!

Shaw.

I just looked out my window and have 2 providers / ladies in my yard with signs! One says "I love you NOT the money." The other says "this chica is a Liar, My love is real!" Talk about a Quandary!

[QUOTE=Shawtren;7355902]I got very involved with a provider that got out. We kept in touch and things got closer and closer for us. No money, no gifts, just attention. She knew I was married and she was OK with that. It was fantastic for a year and a half. She lived with her mom, and we worked schedules out so that we had a good amount of time together.

Then she had some things go wrong at home. She got very angry about absolutely everything. Then she said that I needed to take her way on a vacation. I laughed and said that wouldn't work. Then about a week later, I walked into my house and found my wife and kids at the table waiting for me. IT turns out the girl looked up all my kids on social media, and let them know everything that was happening. They in turn told my wife and my life ended up in a pot.

I confronted her and she said that the only way she could have me was to get rid of my wife. It turns out that she was bi-polar and now off of her meds. I have been making up for that mistake for years now. I don't get involved any more. I don't share my real name anymore. I never use a personal phone anymore. It's all just business.

None of it was worth it! Don't do it.

Play safe!

Shaw.[/QUOTE]I did start dating a stripper. Ended up getting her pregnant. Then she went all religious. At least she got her life together, and I only have 9 more years of child support left.

[QUOTE=JustKreepin;7355733]I have been in a similar situation once, after seeing a provider for several years I wanted more and she claimed she wanted more and unfortunately it was all part of the game.

She ultimately was after as much money as she could get and had no problem reading the room to get just that, it if course ended quickly and cost me a considerable amount of financial loss.

I of. Course still see providers (not her) and I do tend to treat them very well, shopping, dinner etc.

I have found that being a decent guy can be a character flaw but I have also learned the hard way to set my own boundaries and adhere to them.

I currently see one provider and treat her very well almost like a girlfriend I would say but I simply won't cross that line again for my own mental security.

You ultimately have the final say and who are we to judge you for that. The provider in question may be the one for you, she may be different but statistically that is highly improbable.

I wish you the very best and the strength to successfully guide you through this sir. JK.[/QUOTE]I'm with JK. I currently see a young, mostly under the radar woman and who unfortunately I've developed some strong feelings for. She is stunningly beautiful to me. We have dinner, I give her flowers and some occasional gifts, and I do other nice things like you would do for a girlfriend. She still sees clients, but insists it is just a few "regulars" she hangs on to. But she does not want to work a regular job and she is addicted to the easy cash. Sad, since she is pretty and also smart. She could do so much. No real drug problem, just some weed. She occasionally posts on STG, which is hard to see as I know that means she is looking for new clients even tho she claims the posts are just to tell her regulars she is in town. So it is what it is. I continue because of my feelings and the awesome sex. But I am under no illusions that someone young would really care about an old geezer like me. It is still about the cash. Ugh.

[QUOTE=OldDutch;7356501]I'm with JK. I currently see a young, mostly under the radar woman and who unfortunately I've developed some strong feelings for. She is stunningly beautiful to me. We have dinner, I give her flowers and some occasional gifts, and I do other nice things like you would do for a girlfriend. She still sees clients, but insists it is just a few "regulars" she hangs on to. But she does not want to work a regular job and she is addicted to the easy cash. Sad, since she is pretty and also smart. She could do so much. No real drug problem, just some weed. She occasionally posts on STG, which is hard to see as I know that means she is looking for new clients even tho she claims the posts are just to tell her regulars she is in town. So it is what it is. I continue because of my feelings and the awesome sex. But I am under no illusions that someone young would really care about an old geezer like me. It is still about the cash. Ugh.[/QUOTE]Hard reads all around. So true on the quick cash thing. Money is a hell of a drug and when you can pocket $200 an hour or more it comes easy and then it doesn't. Many that post can't keep their shit together to save a dime but they all say they can make a grand or more a day. There are only a few providers I know that live decently and don't complain about being broke. Everyone could do a lot better if they protected their feelings first and wallets as a close second. Women would take the pretty woman ending in a heartbeat but screw you over as soon as that wallet closes. They want you to compete for them and you have to be able to look past their sob story. The smart ones are the most dangerous so be careful. It used to be money for sex and that's it now there's some stupid stigma with them that you need to do more than that. I blame nice guys.

[QUOTE=OldDutch;7356501]I'm with JK. I currently see a young, mostly under the radar woman and who unfortunately I've developed some strong feelings for. She is stunningly beautiful to me. We have dinner, I give her flowers and some occasional gifts, and I do other nice things like you would do for a girlfriend. She still sees clients, but insists it is just a few "regulars" she hangs on to. But she does not want to work a regular job and she is addicted to the easy cash. Sad, since she is pretty and also smart. She could do so much. No real drug problem, just some weed. She occasionally posts on STG, which is hard to see as I know that means she is looking for new clients even tho she claims the posts are just to tell her regulars she is in town. So it is what it is. I continue because of my feelings and the awesome sex. But I am under no illusions that someone young would really care about an old geezer like me. It is still about the cash. Ugh.[/QUOTE]Some tough love. It's the money. It will ALWAYS be the money. I can't speak for everyone, but ill speak for myself and the girls I know well in this industry. We love a nice guy. I personally really enjoy the company and conversation I have with many of my regular clients. I feel I know some of them very well. I know about their family's and their different circumstances in life. I genuinely care about many of them. That being said. I will never ever fall in love or be swept off my feet by any of them or anyone I ever meet in this circumstance. This is NOT Pretty Women. I'm not Julia Roberts, and I doubt you're Richard Gere. This is supposed to be just sex. Temporary companionship. Transactional. No strings. Carefree. No Drama. Simple. Clean cut.

Any girl worth a shit that's not strung out, doesn't need to be rescued. In fact. Quite the opposite. We are more than likely very content, and not willing to give up the $$ and freedom. And anyone who says they will for you. Well. Unless you're Daddy Warbucks and she's got full access. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Sorry to be harsh. But I'm just being honest.

[QUOTE=Cassidy69;7356570]Some tough love. It's the money. It will ALWAYS be the money. I can't speak for everyone, but ill speak for myself and the girls I know well in this industry. We love a nice guy. I personally really enjoy the company and conversation I have with many of my regular clients. I feel I know some of them very well. I know about their family's and their different circumstances in life. I genuinely care about many of them. That being said. I will never ever fall in love or be swept off my feet by any of them or anyone I ever meet in this circumstance. This is NOT Pretty Women. I'm not Julia Roberts, and I doubt you're Richard Gere. This is supposed to be just sex. Temporary companionship. Transactional. No strings. Carefree. No Drama. Simple. Clean cut.

Any girl worth a shit that's not strung out, doesn't need to be rescued. In fact. Quite the opposite. We are more than likely very content, and not willing to give up the $$ and freedom. And anyone who says they will for you. Well. Unless you're Daddy Warbucks and she's got full access. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Sorry to be harsh. But I'm just being honest.[/QUOTE]I was waiting for your reply because your point of view is different than the guys. You have stated this position before and it sounds like things haven't changed. Most of the comments from the males echo your position, it just feels more authoritative coming from you and your position.

[QUOTE=Cassidy69;7356570]Some tough love. It's the money. It will ALWAYS be the money. I can't speak for everyone, but ill speak for myself and the girls I know well in this industry. We love a nice guy. I personally really enjoy the company and conversation I have with many of my regular clients. I feel I know some of them very well. I know about their family's and their different circumstances in life. I genuinely care about many of them. That being said. I will never ever fall in love or be swept off my feet by any of them or anyone I ever meet in this circumstance. This is NOT Pretty Women. I'm not Julia Roberts, and I doubt you're Richard Gere. This is supposed to be just sex. Temporary companionship. Transactional. No strings. Carefree. No Drama. Simple. Clean cut.

Any girl worth a shit that's not strung out, doesn't need to be rescued. In fact. Quite the opposite. We are more than likely very content, and not willing to give up the $$ and freedom. And anyone who says they will for you. Well. Unless you're Daddy Warbucks and she's got full access. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Sorry to be harsh. But I'm just being honest.[/QUOTE]Your Honesty is admirable and a rare commodity and the fact of the matter is if more providers where as transparent in they're mission then less mongers would fall for providers.

Had the one provider I got too involved with been open and honest rather than playing the game I would have never gone down the rabbit hole. Having said that I learned an expensive valuable lesson. I still obviously see providers and I will always conduct myself as a gentleman simply because that's who I am.

CJ I myself greatly appreciate your approach to business and prefer it actually as it keeps the the mission view crystal clear for everyone involved. One doesn't have to be dishonest to to empty my wallet simply being a beautiful female seems to get it done LOL.

Honesty is always best. Be safe. JK.

[QUOTE=Cassidy69;7356570]Some tough love. It's the money. It will ALWAYS be the money. I can't speak for everyone, but ill speak for myself and the girls I know well in this industry. We love a nice guy. I personally really enjoy the company and conversation I have with many of my regular clients. I feel I know some of them very well. I know about their family's and their different circumstances in life. I genuinely care about many of them. That being said. I will never ever fall in love or be swept off my feet by any of them or anyone I ever meet in this circumstance. This is NOT Pretty Women. I'm not Julia Roberts, and I doubt you're Richard Gere. This is supposed to be just sex. Temporary companionship. Transactional. No strings. Carefree. No Drama. Simple. Clean cut.

Any girl worth a shit that's not strung out, doesn't need to be rescued. In fact. Quite the opposite. We are more than likely very content, and not willing to give up the $$ and freedom. And anyone who says they will for you. Well. Unless you're Daddy Warbucks and she's got full access. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Sorry to be harsh. But I'm just being honest.[/QUOTE]Thanks CJ. I know you are right and I appreciate it. We've not met, but I do hope we do at some point. By all accounts, you seem like a wonderful woman and a helpful perspective on this board.

Take care,

OD.

[QUOTE=Cassidy69;7356570]Some tough love. It's the money. It will ALWAYS be the money. I can't speak for everyone, but ill speak for myself and the girls I know well in this industry. We love a nice guy. I personally really enjoy the company and conversation I have with many of my regular clients. I feel I know some of them very well. I know about their family's and their different circumstances in life. I genuinely care about many of them. That being said. I will never ever fall in love or be swept off my feet by any of them or anyone I ever meet in this circumstance. This is NOT Pretty Women. I'm not Julia Roberts, and I doubt you're Richard Gere. This is supposed to be just sex. Temporary companionship. Transactional. No strings. Carefree. No Drama. Simple. Clean cut.

Any girl worth a shit that's not strung out, doesn't need to be rescued. In fact. Quite the opposite. We are more than likely very content, and not willing to give up the $$ and freedom. And anyone who says they will for you. Well. Unless you're Daddy Warbucks and she's got full access. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Sorry to be harsh. But I'm just being honest.[/QUOTE]An interaction that is based on the exchange of money for sex is just that. If it even becomes more than that it is dangerous. It is impossible, but improbable it ends up working out for either party. We may not see eye to eye on your donation amounts but you've been in this game almost as long as some of us and see a lot. You don't book an escort for a girlfriend. Over the years various escorts have left the game for a boyfriend and they return. I can only think of a few that left it completely and found a better life and you don't hear from them because they are out. Men give up money for sex. You make money and get sex. I think we are on the wrong end of that deal LOL. You've made it work and surely live comfortably. Others in this game don't have that, which creates the what ifs and problems.

Anyone else having trouble with stg website?

Cassidy is right on the mark. Couldn't agree more. And on top of that we should treat them all properly and with respect.

General question for the mongers. How do you discretely pay the ladies without the spouse finding out. My wife manages all the finances. A single ATM withdraw, whether it's $50 or $300 is met with tons of questions. I've used the debit card at retail outlets and gotten some "cash back" on the transaction, but even that gets some questions at home. Would love to learn some tricks of the trade. The funds are available in our joint bank account, just can't figure out how to pull some cash out without it showing up on the bank statement or other. Anyone ever use Venmo Looking at my Venmo transactions, it's pretty vanilla and wife doesn't see it, other than what shows on the bank statement as a venmo payment. I can BS around that since it doesn't show who it went to on the bank statement.

[QUOTE=AngelsMan;7362615]General question for the mongers. How do you discretely pay the ladies without the spouse finding out. My wife manages all the finances. A single ATM withdraw, whether it's $50 or $300 is met with tons of questions. I've used the debit card at retail outlets and gotten some "cash back" on the transaction, but even that gets some questions at home. Would love to learn some tricks of the trade. The funds are available in our joint bank account, just can't figure out how to pull some cash out without it showing up on the bank statement or other. Anyone ever use Venmo Looking at my Venmo transactions, it's pretty vanilla and wife doesn't see it, other than what shows on the bank statement as a venmo payment. I can BS around that since it doesn't show who it went to on the bank statement.[/QUOTE]A few thoughts. First, I would never, under any circumstances, use an electronic payment method in the hobby. Why create a paper trail for LE or a forensic auditor if shit goes sideways in your marriage? Second, if you have a spouse who watches the money I think you'd want a multifaceted approach. Start with using cash in your day to day life more regularly. I am hearing a lot of people say they are using more cash because of the ridiculous tipping culture that has sprung up. Qdoba wants a tip, Chipotle doesn't. Can anyone explain to me what the difference in service is? Little Caesars seriously asks for a tip on a Hot-and-Ready? Fuck that, pay cash; tell your wife you are sick of getting asked to "answer the question. " Advanced mongering gets into an extra bank account and having direct deposits funneled to that account. If she watches your pay closely, set it up when there is a raise, COLA or during open enrollment when insurance changes. Make sure to have the bank statements sent to your office or some other place your wife never goes. Don't trust them not to mail stuff to the house if you give them your actual address.

[QUOTE=AngelsMan;7362615]General question for the mongers. How do you discretely pay the ladies without the spouse finding out. My wife manages all the finances. A single ATM withdraw, whether it's $50 or $300 is met with tons of questions. I've used the debit card at retail outlets and gotten some "cash back" on the transaction, but even that gets some questions at home. Would love to learn some tricks of the trade. The funds are available in our joint bank account, just can't figure out how to pull some cash out without it showing up on the bank statement or other. Anyone ever use Venmo Looking at my Venmo transactions, it's pretty vanilla and wife doesn't see it, other than what shows on the bank statement as a venmo payment. I can BS around that since it doesn't show who it went to on the bank statement.[/QUOTE]Go to take cash out and go to the casino. Great way to get the money from your bank account to your wallet without asking any questions.

I looked up Milan on the Michigan Offender site and it says she is on probation. Is that accurate?

[QUOTE=BluBalls1;7362935]I looked up Milan on the Michigan Offender site and it says she is on probation. Is that accurate?[/QUOTE]No.

Look up Kent county web jail viewer.

[QUOTE=BluBalls1;7362935]I looked up Milan on the Michigan Offender site and it says she is on probation. Is that accurate?[/QUOTE]Kent County shows In Custody as of Today. Release date in May 2026.

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;7363051]Kent County shows In Custody as of Today. Release date in May 2026.[/QUOTE]Michigan Offender must be wrong.

[QUOTE=WaltK;7362807]A few thoughts. First, I would never, under any circumstances, use an electronic payment method in the hobby. Why create a paper trail for LE or a forensic auditor if shit goes sideways in your marriage? Second, if you have a spouse who watches the money I think you'd want a multifaceted approach. Start with using cash in your day to day life more regularly. I am hearing a lot of people say they are using more cash because of the ridiculous tipping culture that has sprung up. Qdoba wants a tip, Chipotle doesn't. Can anyone explain to me what the difference in service is? Little Caesars seriously asks for a tip on a Hot-and-Ready? Fuck that, pay cash; tell your wife you are sick of getting asked to "answer the question. " Advanced mongering gets into an extra bank account and having direct deposits funneled to that account. If she watches your pay closely, set it up when there is a raise, COLA or during open enrollment when insurance changes. Make sure to have the bank statements sent to your office or some other place your wife never goes. Don't trust them not to mail stuff to the house if you give them your actual address.[/QUOTE]Awesome points, casino trip too is great. Fantasy football dues coming soon too! Anything you do to get cash without question is key. Opening your own bank account draws scrutiny but if you go green on notifications you can hopefully keep the card hidden. Online casinos usually offer some good deposit bonuses or perks but read the rules closely. Bar trips add up too, tell your wife you take cash to limit what you drink, only have a beer and pocket the rest. Healthy habits and money for pussy!

Curious if anyone has had experience with a former or current pornstar as an escort and would be willing to give a suggestion or advice. Was it worth it? I have done some leg work and found a few in areas I am traveling soon. It's a bucket list for me just not sure if paying the $600-800 is worth it. I fear I already know the answer but I am keeping my fingers crossed!