Sugar Daddy Sites

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5361068]Regarding the phone stuff, they are likely integrated with something like Twilio which returns the info and carrier on a number. They have an API integration that checks during signup. Go try signing up for a google account with a texting app number. Usually won't fly.

[URL=https://www.twilio.com/docs/lookup/tutorials/carrier-and-caller-name]Lookup: Carrier and Caller Name - Twilio[/URL][/QUOTE]If they have your number then they probably (almost certainly) have that in their system and don't need to use twilio to look up your caller info or name. Even if they did is irrelevant, they need your number, which they can't just grab when you're using a browser sign up. You have to GIVE it to them by putting it your signup step, which is a nono. You can literally just put a fake number they don't do anything like 2 fa.

[QUOTE=TylerDurd;5361085]If they have your number then they probably (almost certainly) have that in their system and don't need to use twilio to look up your caller info or name. Even if they did is irrelevant, they need your number, which they can't just grab when you're using a browser sign up. You have to GIVE it to them by putting it your signup step, which is a nono. You can literally just put a fake number they don't do anything like 2 fa.[/QUOTE]Sure. I thought we were talking about people trying to get a new account after being banned. What sort of idiot would use the same number they were banned under?

[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5360704]This is the biggest L of all time. I really cannot stres that enough but I will tell the story so that it may help some of you.

Met her at a hotel. She comes to get me. She's not quite as attractive as her pics but good enough. We go to her room and her friend is there (who is WAY hotter). They are very interested in getting the sugar before we get down to business but they seem cool. Soon as I send the sugar via one of the various apps, the hot friend gets on the phone pretending to be freaked out because her bf / pimp is mad. They ask me to leave. I don't know what's going on and I am kind of buzzed so I leave. I call / text her and she says that he says you can stay if you send more sugar. I say no. She says I can come by the next day. I think you can guess that she didn't see me. I was mad bc it was not an insignificant amount of sugar by I take the L and move one.

Fast forward to today, I message someone on SA who claims to be clairemaddoxx on twitter and the porn star Violet Smith. Things seem to be going smoothly. Before I leave she asks if I want to hang out with her and her friend. I ask for pics of her friend and it turns out to be the chick who scammed me a few weeks ago! I say don't want to play with her. My plan was to confront her when I got there but it didn't turn out that way. She sends me the address which is a sketchy hotel in LA. I get to the room and it looks like the girl on SA and twitter. We talk for a while and she seems REALLY cool. She tells me she is in town on vacation and even tells me some heavy personal stuff. After talking for a while I abandons my plan because I figure she can't be that much of a scum bag to tell me that and then scam me. I send her the agreed upon sugar. She has problems with the sugar but it does go through. She can't transfer the sugar so she asks me to send it again via ANOTHER app and she will send the first sugar back. So, like an idiot, I send it BEFORE she sends me back the other payment. After both go through she says she needs to go to the bathroom. Guess who is in there? The chick who scammed me a few weeks ago. As I realize that I am a complete moron, some skinny, non desript white guy casually comes in the room. "Hello" I say. He says hello back. He proceeds to calmly tell me that I need to leave because they don't want me here anymore. At this point, I am stunned at how ruthless these people are and at how perfectly I got played. Initially, I say "what if I don't leave". He says, "Well we will deal with that if it comes to that". At this point, I honestly considered doing something I might regret to this guy. I am much bigger and stronger than this guy and was absolutely certain he could not hurt me whatsoever. I am trying to figure out if I can do something, other than getting into a physical altercation, that would cause them some sort of pain. The chick whom I was supposed to hang out with left her purse on the bed so I picked it up. At this point, the guy and the chick who scammed me previously seemed to panic a little. "It's nothing in there!" she says. I motion towards the door and the skinny white guy tries to put me in a full-nelson and I kid you not, it felt like a child trying to grab me. Now, at this point I realize that I really don't want to escalate this any further so I just throw the purse across the room, tell them that they are pieces of shit and leave. Needless to say I feel like a complete idiot but it was completely my fault. I should have known that was going to happen once I found out the previous scammer was involved but this is what happens when the little head thinks for the big head. That being said, these people ungodly pieces of shit. I sincerely hope they try this on the wrong person one day..[/QUOTE]Hey guys,

I always wonder why people still use sites like SA and such since those types of sites destroyed the real non-pro world that flourished not to long ago of course that was also before every woman with a camera on her phone could post pictures on Instagram and delude herself that she was a model, LOL. The worst ones are now that most girls are fatties or have sleeve tats that scare poop out of me or pink and blue hair with 15 years of college and no employable skills. That is why the best place to pick up an eager beaver honey pot is at the retail outlets. Now a days there are not many shoppers and you can walk in and the cute workers come to you like you are a nectar filled flower. It is easy to say your shopping for a friend's birthday and strike up a conversation to get her to model and say some cheerful stuff about how she is so helpful and fun. Then just suggest you would like to buy her an item for her help while leaving your card and ask to meet on her off-time while you are in town frequently and suggest something that might make her think that she may get more than $15 for her time.

Sorry for your terrible experience and maybe this will help get you something more worthy of your decent behavior and understanding that there is a chronic systemic problem of dumb desperate people praying on regulars. Retail is really easy to do but you can browse and practice very easy like and I hope this is helpful.

Justn Beaver.

[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5360704]This is the biggest L of all time. I really cannot stres that enough but I will tell the story so that it may help some of you.

Met her at a hotel. She comes to get me. She's not quite as attractive as her pics but good enough. We go to her room and her friend is there (who is WAY hotter). They are very interested in getting the sugar before we get down to business but they seem cool. Soon as I send the sugar via one of the various apps, the hot friend gets on the phone pretending to be freaked out because her bf / pimp is mad. They ask me to leave. I don't know what's going on and I am kind of buzzed so I leave. I call / text her and she says that he says you can stay if you send more sugar. I say no. She says I can come by the next day. I think you can guess that she didn't see me. I was mad bc it was not an insignificant amount of sugar by I take the L and move one.

Fast forward to today, I message someone on SA who claims to be clairemaddoxx on twitter and the porn star Violet Smith. Things seem to be going smoothly. Before I leave she asks if I want to hang out with her and her friend. I ask for pics of her friend and it turns out to be the chick who scammed me a few weeks ago! I say don't want to play with her. My plan was to confront her when I got there but it didn't turn out that way. She sends me the address which is a sketchy hotel in LA. I get to the room and it looks like the girl on SA and twitter. We talk for a while and she seems REALLY cool. She tells me she is in town on vacation and even tells me some heavy personal stuff. After talking for a while I abandons my plan because I figure she can't be that much of a scum bag to tell me that and then scam me. I send her the agreed upon sugar. She has problems with the sugar but it does go through. She can't transfer the sugar so she asks me to send it again via ANOTHER app and she will send the first sugar back. So, like an idiot, I send it BEFORE she sends me back the other payment. After both go through she says she needs to go to the bathroom. Guess who is in there? The chick who scammed me a few weeks ago. As I realize that I am a complete moron, some skinny, non desript white guy casually comes in the room. "Hello" I say. He says hello back. He proceeds to calmly tell me that I need to leave because they don't want me here anymore. At this point, I am stunned at how ruthless these people are and at how perfectly I got played. Initially, I say "what if I don't leave". He says, "Well we will deal with that if it comes to that". At this point, I honestly considered doing something I might regret to this guy. I am much bigger and stronger than this guy and was absolutely certain he could not hurt me whatsoever. I am trying to figure out if I can do something, other than getting into a physical altercation, that would cause them some sort of pain. The chick whom I was supposed to hang out with left her purse on the bed so I picked it up. At this point, the guy and the chick who scammed me previously seemed to panic a little. "It's nothing in there!" she says. I motion towards the door and the skinny white guy tries to put me in a full-nelson and I kid you not, it felt like a child trying to grab me. Now, at this point I realize that I really don't want to escalate this any further so I just throw the purse across the room, tell them that they are pieces of shit and leave. Needless to say I feel like a complete idiot but it was completely my fault. I should have known that was going to happen once I found out the previous scammer was involved but this is what happens when the little head thinks for the big head. That being said, these people ungodly pieces of shit. I sincerely hope they try this on the wrong person one day.

Now, I have had GREAT success on SA but I also have been scammed before. However, I had never encountered scammers who went this far. Never. Scammers usually don't try this hard but these people were professionals. The scammer's name is Valerie by the way and she is most likely middle eastern with a flabby body. The other chick told me her full name but who knows if it was real but also I don't want to go against the rules of the board. Again, the thing that still makes me mad and amazes me is how organized they were. They really have a game and it works beautifully on nice, well-to-do guys like me.

I did learn more lessons though. The first is, don't be greedy and constantly look for new blood. I actually know enough women where I don't really need to be on the site as much as I am.

The second is, be careful using the site like an alternative to HX. While you can do this, you are opening up yourself to be scammed because SA is an unlimited source of targets. As you can see.

Also, at a certain point I learned to trust my gut. If they display scammer behavior, then they are probably a scammer. If not, still better to find someone who you don't have to wonder about. Clearly I didn't take my own advice tonight.

Lastly, if you ever find yourself in a situation like I was in tonight, just take the L and move on. You can always make more sugar. No need to get into an altercation over piece of shit scammers.[/QUOTE]You display. You are not a fucking child. Act accordingly. My feelings are that you are not built for this game. You seem to lack the general self-awareness and tact that will help you stay out of these situations. Furthermore, you seem to roll over quite easily.

I stopped reading after the 2nd encounter. It's people like you that screw up the entire thing. You are meeting a sugar baby in a sketchy motel. ? That in itself is the mother-fucking, gigantic Russian red flag of 'let me get the fuck out of here'.

As your penace I want you to write on a blackboard the following sentence:

I WILL NOT BE A SIMP.

I WILL NOT BE A SIMP.

I WILL NOT BE A SIMP.

Keep writing until it sinks in.

Or better yet, can I send you my cash app?

I deserve all of that. Like I said, it was ll my fault.

[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5361652]I deserve all of that. Like I said, it was ll my fault.[/QUOTE]Welp, we all are driven by the wrong head sometimes.

[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5360704]This is the biggest L of all time. I really cannot stres that enough but I will tell the story so that it may help some of you.

Met her at a hotel. She comes to get me. She's not quite as attractive as her pics but good enough. We go to her room and her friend is there (who is WAY hotter). They are very interested in getting the sugar before we get down to business but they seem cool. Soon as I send the sugar via one of the various apps, the hot friend gets on the phone pretending to be freaked out because her bf / pimp is mad. They ask me to leave. I don't know what's going on and I am kind of buzzed so I leave. I call / text her and she says that he says you can stay if you send more sugar. I say no. She says I can come by the next day. I think you can guess that she didn't see me. I was mad bc it was not an insignificant amount of sugar by I take the L and move one.

Fast forward to today, I message someone on SA who claims to be clairemaddoxx on twitter and the porn star Violet Smith. Things seem to be going smoothly. Before I leave she asks if I want to hang out with her and her friend. I ask for pics of her friend and it turns out to be the chick who scammed me a few weeks ago! I say don't want to play with her. My plan was to confront her when I got there but it didn't turn out that way. She sends me the address which is a sketchy hotel in LA. I get to the room and it looks like the girl on SA and twitter. We talk for a while and she seems REALLY cool. She tells me she is in town on vacation and even tells me some heavy personal stuff. After talking for a while I abandons my plan because I figure she can't be that much of a scum bag to tell me that and then scam me. I send her the agreed upon sugar. She has problems with the sugar but it does go through. She can't transfer the sugar so she asks me to send it again via ANOTHER app and she will send the first sugar back. So, like an idiot, I send it BEFORE she sends me back the other payment. After both go through she says she needs to go to the bathroom. Guess who is in there? The chick who scammed me a few weeks ago. As I realize that I am a complete moron, some skinny, non desript white guy casually comes in the room. "Hello" I say. He says hello back. He proceeds to calmly tell me that I need to leave because they don't want me here anymore. At this point, I am stunned at how ruthless these people are and at how perfectly I got played. Initially, I say "what if I don't leave". He says, "Well we will deal with that if it comes to that". At this point, I honestly considered doing something I might regret to this guy. I am much bigger and stronger than this guy and was absolutely certain he could not hurt me whatsoever. I am trying to figure out if I can do something, other than getting into a physical altercation, that would cause them some sort of pain. The chick whom I was supposed to hang out with left her purse on the bed so I picked it up. At this point, the guy and the chick who scammed me previously seemed to panic a little. "It's nothing in there!" she says. I motion towards the door and the skinny white guy tries to put me in a full-nelson and I kid you not, it felt like a child trying to grab me. Now, at this point I realize that I really don't want to escalate this any further so I just throw the purse across the room, tell them that they are pieces of shit and leave. Needless to say I feel like a complete idiot but it was completely my fault. I should have known that was going to happen once I found out the previous scammer was involved but this is what happens when the little head thinks for the big head. That being said, these people ungodly pieces of shit. I sincerely hope they try this on the wrong person one day.

Now, I have had GREAT success on SA but I also have been scammed before. However, I had never encountered scammers who went this far. Never. Scammers usually don't try this hard but these people were professionals. The scammer's name is Valerie by the way and she is most likely middle eastern with a flabby body. The other chick told me her full name but who knows if it was real but also I don't want to go against the rules of the board. Again, the thing that still makes me mad and amazes me is how organized they were. They really have a game and it works beautifully on nice, well-to-do guys like me.

I did learn more lessons though. The first is, don't be greedy and constantly look for new blood. I actually know enough women where I don't really need to be on the site as much as I am.

The second is, be careful using the site like an alternative to HX. While you can do this, you are opening up yourself to be scammed because SA is an unlimited source of targets. As you can see.

Also, at a certain point I learned to trust my gut. If they display scammer behavior, then they are probably a scammer. If not, still better to find someone who you don't have to wonder about. Clearly I didn't take my own advice tonight.

Lastly, if you ever find yourself in a situation like I was in tonight, just take the L and move on. You can always make more sugar. No need to get into an altercation over piece of shit scammers.[/QUOTE]I simply cannot believe even half of this. I curse my very existence because I got scammed once by a girl in fucken spokane. She took my money in the front yard and actually ran away. This was years ago an I outran her and I successfully got her to allow me in her room. She disappeared inside to get some stuff. So I stole her license and other personal stuff and left. She got me for 140 and I never did that type of situation again. But come on man. Going to a motel for an SA girl? Cash apping them in the room twice. Jesus fuck.

[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5361652]I deserve all of that. Like I said, it was ll my fault.[/QUOTE]In the second no-tell motel you met a girl, who showed you a picture of a girl, who happened to be the girl that scammed you the first time, and you proceeded to not only.

Entertain the idea of seeing them both, but you cash apped her some money, knowing that they were definitely working in tandem and would do the same thing again.

Instead of just saying, "I'm out of here. " Then drive to the nearest pay phone and place a fake gun call to get them Swatted.

Instead you paid up like Uncle Fester.

Do us all a favor. Get the fuck off this board. Your stupidity might be contagious to some.

[QUOTE=Domino727;5356535]No thanks. I'll stick to my utr hoes that charge $100-$150. Pussy is pussy, after all. I can't conceive of the notion of blowing 5 benjis for something that lasts 20 minutes. That's like 5 dates with Tina from the Valley.[/QUOTE]#1 - to me, all pussy is NOT created equally.

#2 - I don't know about you, but it lasts a whole hell of a lot longer than 20 minutes. My last 1 K date lasted about 5 hours & included 3 glorious rounds of BBFS with a ridiculous 5'11" model from Belgium.

Just sayin'.

[QUOTE=TylerDurd;5357242]Had money*, before you spent 1 k on a Famous Star sold to you as a filet mignon. There's a difference between being broke and cheap and being frugal and savvy my friend.[/QUOTE]I mean. You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better, but the simple truth is that you and I are fishing in different waters for different prizes, my friend.

[QUOTE=Domino727;5357335]Her name is Lori and I was seeing her for 1 year before she moved to Miami when Covid struck. We still play whenever she comes back to LA, about twice a year. She is Russian / American. And yes, that is her real, bonefide ass in the pic.

I used to pay her $200 for an hour of complete fun, including anal. She is 5 ft1 and weighs 100 lb. 24 years old. Really really sweet. A complete, fit workout warrior. Bisexual who loves to eat pussy. That is her girlfriend in Miami at the moment. God, what I would give to be in the middle of that. A complete nympho. Needs sex several times a day.

We once fucked for 5 straight hours. Suffice to say I am an old fart at 53, and the next day my body was killing me at work. It got to the point where she began to spend the night, so I bumped it up to $300. She never asked for more money. We saw each other once a week. We still keep in touch.

This is her. Living proof that you don't need to spend 1 k. I believe that is what Hollywood guy always preaches. I admit, she was the proverbial unicorn. Extremely difficult, but not Impossible to replace.[/QUOTE]She's very cute. No doubt. And at 200/300 you certainly HAVE found a unicorn. No denying that.

But she's not what I'm talking about, my man.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5357952]Being the moderator I just thought I would add my 2 cents. At 1k per visit I guess we can all agree that we could rent any girl, or at least 97% of what's out there for that price. But if you remember, Heidi's girls started at 2k per meet up. And an associate of mine that used to own one of the larger escort platforms told me that 5k - 20k charges were not unusual.

While I originally started this thread to share tips and tricks on how to increase game (i.e. - get the most bang for your buck), there have never been any restrictions as to the type of posts that can be shared (with the exception of underage girls, direct contact info like phone #'s and email addresses, or anything the site admin may deem to be in violation of their terms of service). And pictures are always welcome.

Everyone has a type of girl and a methodology for acquiring them that meets their comfort zone. And that will vary as much as the girls available and the guys that appreciate them. Inherently there really is no right or wrong way to go about this as long as your wallet, your health and your legal standing are not being compromised in any way that would be considered detrimental to your general well being.

For the new guys, just remember, you don't have to be rich to play in this game. You just need some disposable income, whatever that may be, to partake. This thread is just a buffet table of advice. Pick up what's palatable / doable and leave the rest. The opinions shared here do not necessarily reflect those of the moderator, but respectfully, all are welcome.[/QUOTE]That's really all I'm sayin'.

Different mongers seek different things.

When I'm looking for lower end /300-ish range, I usually just save the headache and head to a KGirl service since it's guaranteed and quality.

But I, PERSONALLY, just like to use SA to find the higher-end models who don't know any better.

And when I'm REALLY feeling salty I go to my go-tos for Porn Stars and crack in between 1. 5 and 3 k per.

[quote=rogerover;5358079]everyone always seems to have a hissy-fit when another guy pays an amount they wouldn't. I look at it like bbfs. Your dick, your business. Your money, your business.

I might propose that $40-60 is the range for a happy ending at amps, but i still don't get upset if they want to pay $200 because it's none of my business.

For one guy, spending $200 might have the same fiscal impact as another spending $20.[/quote]this. This. This.

[QUOTE=TheSpius19;5362027]#1 - to me, all pussy is NOT created equally.

#2 - I don't know about you, but it lasts a whole hell of a lot longer than 20 minutes. My last 1 K date lasted about 5 hours & included 3 glorious rounds of BBFS with a ridiculous 5'11" model from Belgium.

Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]And that's what I'm saying.

Sucks that happened to you, but damn.

Just me personally, I would never ever, meet a girl in a room that already spells pro (to me, that's just me).

I had a interesting experience last week met a girl on SA and late night texting first day of emails I said let's meet, she says when I said now! It was 1130 pm, she says ok I'm down.

24 yr old latina, I drive to near Pasadena, she lives with her BF and has a 2nd boyfriend (whatever!) no money discussed at all, just horny talk. I get there, scoop her up, she's cute but a little softer than her pics, little flab. I spotted some dark streets on way to hers and we double backed to a darkkkkkk street with trees it was almost black as night. I put up my sun shades on all 4 windows the rest are tinted. Boom I start to make out with her and feel her up, then she kills it. She said, where's the money? I said I got some, I'll give you after, she says no, that's now how this works (LMFAO, STFU) I said to you maybe? Who's to say I hand it over and you bolt out of my car. Long story short this went on for maybe 2 mins, told her I'm not cheap and I've met a few girls and you're the first one demanding money up front. I showed it to her, then back in my pocket and we were at a stalemate. By this time, my boner was done and I could feel it was going to go south. So, I said you know what? Let's just call it and I'll drop you off, I'm not budging neither are you, no hard feelings. That was it, dropped her off and split. My gut was saying if she wasn't going to run, then maybe something else like covered everything, or she can't fxxx for this or that reason. So, close call of what I think was a semi scam I just said we're done here. Clearly she was a little pro too.

Sharing my semi scam here too, happens to us all but fxxx her she ain't getting my cash up front.

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5361925]I simply cannot believe even half of this. I curse my very existence because I got scammed once by a girl in fucken spokane. She took my money in the front yard and actually ran away. This was years ago an I outran her and I successfully got her to allow me in her room. She disappeared inside to get some stuff. So I stole her license and other personal stuff and left. She got me for 140 and I never did that type of situation again. But come on man. Going to a motel for an SA girl? Cash apping them in the room twice. Jesus fuck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BobbyO;5360693]Be careful, I did that for 6 months before I got banned. And I was a premium paying member.[/QUOTE]In 10 years I have never been banned. And I have definitely talked some shit. I am convinced that the girls that report are the SB wannabees. The girls that are truly DTF don't get that riled up by low offers or the suggestion of any sex that may not be on the menu. Its the I will never have sex for money girls, the girls that really shouldn't be on there in the first place, the ones looking for that unicorn daddy that's just looking for a modern day geisha girl. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5360704]This is the biggest L of all time. I really cannot stres that enough but I will tell the story so that it may help some of you.

Met her at a hotel. She comes to get me. She's not quite as attractive as her pics but good enough. We go to her room and her friend is there (who is WAY hotter). They are very interested in getting the sugar before we get down to business but they seem cool. Soon as I send the sugar via one of the various apps, the hot friend gets on the phone pretending to be freaked out because her bf / pimp is mad. [/QUOTE]I stopped reading at this sentence. You paid in advance. Nothing more needs to be said. Handle them like SB's and walk if they dont like it. Red flag. Never pay in advance and never let them choose the location.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5362169]I stopped reading at this sentence. You paid in advance. Nothing more needs to be said. Handle them like SB's and walk if they dont like it. Red flag. Never pay in advance and never let them choose the location.[/QUOTE]This is the most practical and useful advice I've heard so far. Listen to HWG. He knows.

[QUOTE=Alkalinedio;5362080]Sucks that happened to you, but damn.

Just me personally, I would never ever, meet a girl in a room that already spells pro (to me, that's just me).

I had a interesting experience last week met a girl on SA and late night texting first day of emails I said let's meet, she says when I said now! It was 1130 pm, she says ok I'm down.

24 yr old latina, I drive to near Pasadena, she lives with her BF and has a 2nd boyfriend (whatever!) no money discussed at all, just horny talk. I get there, scoop her up, she's cute but a little softer than her pics, little flab. I spotted some dark streets on way to hers and we double backed to a darkkkkkk street with trees it was almost black as night. I put up my sun shades on all 4 windows the rest are tinted. Boom I start to make out with her and feel her up, then she kills it. She said, where's the money? I said I got some, I'll give you after, she says no, that's now how this works (LMFAO, STFU) I said to you maybe? Who's to say I hand it over and you bolt out of my car. Long story short this went on for maybe 2 mins, told her I'm not cheap and I've met a few girls and you're the first one demanding money up front. I showed it to her, then back in my pocket and we were at a stalemate. By this time, my boner was done and I could feel it was going to go south. So, I said you know what? Let's just call it and I'll drop you off, I'm not budging neither are you, no hard feelings. That was it, dropped her off and split. My gut was saying if she wasn't going to run, then maybe something else like covered everything, or she can't fxxx for this or that reason. So, close call of what I think was a semi scam I just said we're done here. Clearly she was a little pro too.

Sharing my semi scam here too, happens to us all but fxxx her she ain't getting my cash up front.

Stay safe.

AD.[/QUOTE]And got the hell out of there with your money. Guys don't realize that not getting laid on that particular moment is not the worst thing. I'll tell you a story of what happened to me back in 2004; when I was still in my 30's.

I met this girl on craigs. I drove up to ft Lauderdale from Miami to see her. She texts me and directs me to a street corner in a residential neighborhood. Probably tantamount to what Inglewood was in the 80's. I'm like, ok. So, I turn the corner and she is standing there, right next to a stop sign. It is pitch black outside. She leans up against my car and asks for the money after I tell her to get in. She replies. "first give me the money, and then I will get in. ' strike one.

I ask her where we're going, she says she will meet me there after I pay her. Some shady story of how she can't be seen getting out of the same car with an older man (she was 19, maybe 20). Strike 2. I told her, 'wow, you had me drive 30 miles north just to try and scam me. ' she looked and me, shrugged and got in. We drove to the house she was staying at. I parked and went inside, and there was no more mention of money. I ended up fucking her in the backyard on the tile barbecue grill.

We ended up hooking up 3 or 4 more times. But she ended up confiding in me and told me that she was, in fact, going to scam me that very first night. In fact, she told me she had already done it to three other guys before me. So, I was the 4th. Which meant she made $300 for putting in no work.

They learn early, these scammers, is what I'm trying to say. Once they get a taste for success and realize there are so many SIMPS out there to pray on, they will never stop. You are simply one of many marks. They will never abandon the hustle because to them it is a game. excitement, The exact same thing we feel hunting down hookers on the Fig or any other track. The thrill of the chase.

The guy that got scammed twice in a motel room, by the same girl, no doubt, deserves neither condolences or banal inspirational quotes like "it's ok, you'll get 'em next time." he simply is not built for the game because he lacks situational awareness and common sense. He should just get married and deal with one slice of pie for the rest of his life.

I sound like a harsh motherfucker, but I always trust my instincts. Sure I've had bad service after paying, that is part of the game. But I've never been truly ripped off like this guy.

Good one and you smelled her BS right off the bat and still smashed it.

I agree they will try and get away with it when they can. I looked at it like sure, I was out a little gas money but I got a free make out session and felt her ass up for free LOL. Fxxx her.

She emailed me when I got home saying now you know my number and where I live when you grow some balls you can come back! I replied I still won't give you any money upfront, I do have balls that's why I said this is over and dropped your ass off I replied. I told her you're not getting one over one me. On top of that, she's not even hot, cute at best but I've had way better.

Damn scammers, fxxx them!

Stay safe guys.

AD.

[QUOTE=Domino727;5362237]And got the hell out of there with your money. Guys don't realize that not getting laid on that particular moment is not the worst thing. I'll tell you a story of what happened to me back in 2004; when I was still in my 30's.

I met this girl on craigs. I drove up to ft Lauderdale from Miami to see her. She texts me and directs me to a street corner in a residential neighborhood. Probably tantamount to what Inglewood was in the 80's. I'm like, ok. So, I turn the corner and she is standing there, right next to a stop sign. It is pitch black outside. She leans up against my car and asks for the money after I tell her to get in. She replies. "first give me the money, and then I will get in. ' strike one.

I ask her where we're going, she says she will meet me there after I pay her. Some shady story of how she can't be seen getting out of the same car with an older man (she was 19, maybe 20). Strike 2. I told her, 'wow, you had me drive 30 miles north just to try and scam me. ' she looked and me, shrugged and got in. We drove to the house she was staying at. I parked and went inside, and there was no more mention of money. I ended up fucking her in the backyard on the tile barbecue grill..[/QUOTE]

So I was having a convo with this girl (or scammer?) on SA about why money upfront? She said all her SD were willing to give upfront. I told her she's lucky and to ask her SD how many were scammed. Her response was all of them and what she was told by SDnwas they just get a bad batch and it was chump change on what they lost. So, pretty much scammers are rampant on SA because the whale SDs don't care and it's just a number game to them till they hit jackpot.

[QUOTE=CreamFire;5363113]So I was having a convo with this girl (or scammer?) on SA about why money upfront? She said all her SD were willing to give upfront. I told her she's lucky and to ask her SD how many were scammed. Her response was all of them and what she was told by SDnwas they just get a bad batch and it was chump change on what they lost. So, pretty much scammers are rampant on SA because the whale SDs don't care and it's just a number game to them till they hit jackpot.[/QUOTE]I don't ever give ANYTHING upfront. EVER.

And I've only been scammed once. And it was alllll my fault. Girl was "coming over" and needed some gas money. Asked for 40. I Venmoed it to her. I was REALLY drunk and it was 3 am. (all bad moves) She kept telling me she was "almost there". Then she hit me up for another $40 for "wine and condoms. ".

I refused and she ghosted me.

So, yay. Congrats on the $40. To me that was a kind reminder that you NEVER SA / Escort while drunk.

But when I started women were offering to "hang out" for like 150-300, now its 500 to just meet and greet, Granted I was younger but that was like 2014-2015 It has really changed out there in the past few years.

[QUOTE=CreamFire;5363113] She said all her SD were willing to give upfront.[/QUOTE]That is part of the scammer script!

They ALWAYS say that!

It is meant to make you feel that giving money up front is totally normal, and you are the odd one out if you don't.

Of course it is completely bogus. Most SDs don't give up front. Only the rubes who fall for the scams.

[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5360704]This is the biggest L of all time. I really cannot stres that enough but I will tell the story so that it may help some of you.[/QUOTE]Props to you for sharing a tale that most would not admit to. I think you deserve more sympathy than you've gotten. We've probbaly all felt for scams and it's just a matter of how hard.

I might have pushed harder on that last scenario though. If you had a big size advantage on that guy you may have been able to get your money back. If it became clear to him he couldn't bully you physically what could he do? Maybe you could have turned it around and made him scared. But maybe you were smarter to show restraint, you never know if someone has a weapon.

[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;5363970]Props to you for sharing a tale that most would not admit to. I think you deserve more sympathy than you've gotten. We've probbaly all felt for scams and it's just a matter of how hard.

I might have pushed harder on that last scenario though. If you had a big size advantage on that guy you may have been able to get your money back. If it became clear to him he couldn't bully you physically what could he do? Maybe you could have turned it around and made him scared. But maybe you were smarter to show restraint, you never know if someone has a weapon.[/QUOTE]Or get his address and go over and hug it out with him. FFS, man. He is not a child. Do not treat him like one. Not only did he not learn his lesson from the first beating, he double downed on stupid and got taken by the SAME girl, using the SAME ruse. For MORE money.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5363377]That is part of the scammer script!

They ALWAYS say that!

It is meant to make you feel that giving money up front is totally normal, and you are the odd one out if you don't.

Of course it is completely bogus. Most SDs don't give up front. Only the rubes who fall for the scams.[/QUOTE]No different than the dude at T-Mobile who pushes the i9 when you have a perfectly good i8 sitting in your back pocket.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5363377]That is part of the scammer script!

They ALWAYS say that!

It is meant to make you feel that giving money up front is totally normal, and you are the odd one out if you don't.

Of course it is completely bogus. Most SDs don't give up front. Only the rubes who fall for the scams.[/QUOTE]I definitely don't pay upfront. Money is money. Would rather risk it in dogecoin even. Haha

When I first moved to LA 20 yrs ago, I got quickly scammed and pretty much learned my lesson. On HX for years, don't recall getting scammed there.

Since getting on SA a few years ago, I think I've had only 2-3 ask for money upfront. That was usually followed by a bad lay, but never a scam.

At about 11 pm, we meet in coffeeshop parking lot, have a little chat, everything seems normal. She drove her own car. Obviously a transactional hookup.

We go to my place nearby, she parks on the street 100 feet away instead of in my driveway, my driveway can be a little tight, so I didn't think much of it.

We have a nice convo for 20 minutes in my kitchen, she tells me all sorts of life details, seems legit. Other than going into kitchen bathroom to take a phone call.

Onto the bedroom, she asks for the money upfront. I know it's a red flag, but it seemed to make her more comfortable and HX dates are usually upfront (remember, this is pretty transactional) so I gave it to her. She then immediatly goes into the bathroom, shoes, phone, and all. She turns on the bathroom fan as most people do. I was definetly alarmed now and stood post between the bathroom and exit to my house, so there was no way she was going to get past me.

After several minutes of not hearing much, I finally knock on the door. No response. I grab the key and open the door, half expecting her to be passed out, OD'd, or otherwise incapacitated, I mean where could she have possibly gone?

Turns out, this skinny athletic little girl removed the screen to my chest-high, 2nd-story bathroom window. A vertical window that slides open only 9. 25 inches wide (I measured it after) and jumped / climbed out. Never in a million years did it occur to me someone would / could jump out this window. Not sure I could physically get through it in a fire.

My first thought was "I'm impressed" . . . She really got me. This girl is certainly a professional thief, been doing this sort of shit her entire life. Although I never saw or heard him, I suspect she had a male accomplice outside my door in case things got physical.

My second thought was, I could care less about the money, but knew that it would affect my trust. Sure enough, a date with a local girl a week later went south when she took too long in a restaurant bathroom (not paid yet, but triggered my trust issues).

SA Profile: Jennyyy, 24 years, white, 5'7", slim, in the LA area. I don't have link as I reported her for theft, not sure if SA took her profile down.

Please post a link if you find it.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;5364167]When I first moved to LA 20 yrs ago, I got quickly scammed and pretty much learned my lesson. On HX for years, don't recall getting scammed there.

Since getting on SA a few years ago, I think I've had only 2-3 ask for money upfront. That was usually followed by a bad lay, but never a scam.

At about 11 pm, we meet in coffeeshop parking lot, have a little chat, everything seems normal. She drove her own car. Obviously a transactional hookup.

We go to my place nearby, she parks on the street 100 feet away instead of in my driveway, my driveway can be a little tight, so I didn't think much of it.

We have a nice convo for 20 minutes in my kitchen, she tells me all sorts of life details, seems legit. Other than going into kitchen bathroom to take a phone call.

Onto the bedroom, she asks for the money upfront. I know it's a red flag, but it seemed to make her more comfortable and HX dates are usually upfront (remember, this is pretty transactional) so I gave it to her. She then immediatly goes into the bathroom, shoes, phone, and all. She turns on the bathroom fan as most people do. I was definetly alarmed now and stood post between the bathroom and exit to my house, so there was no way she was going to get past me.

After several minutes of not hearing much, I finally knock on the door. No response. I grab the key and open the door, half expecting her to be passed out, OD'd, or otherwise incapacitated, I mean where could she have possibly gone?

Turns out, this skinny athletic little girl removed the screen to my chest-high, 2nd-story bathroom window. A vertical window that slides open only 9. 25 inches wide (I measured it after) and jumped / climbed out. Never in a million years did it occur to me someone would / could jump out this window. Not sure I could physically get through it in a fire.

My first thought was "I'm impressed" . . . She really got me. This girl is certainly a professional thief, been doing this sort of shit her entire life. Although I never saw or heard him, I suspect she had a male accomplice outside my door in case things got physical.

My second thought was, I could care less about the money, but knew that it would affect my trust. Sure enough, a date with a local girl a week later went south when she took too long in a restaurant bathroom (not paid yet, but triggered my trust issues).

SA Profile: Jennyyy, 24 years, white, 5'7", slim, in the LA area. I don't have link as I reported her for theft, not sure if SA took her profile down.

Please post a link if you find it.[/QUOTE]That chick actually has multiple accts and kept liking my profile. I wasn't into to her looks as she looks like a hardcore druggie that you find off the streets. I messaged her but it seemed to easy and the multiple accts were a huge red flag.

https://www.seeking.com/member/d80a43eb-ab26-4d94-9491-b626eace6994

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5349283]I'd guess they got tired of you freeloading. And I don't understand the utility of browsing profiles if you are never going to pay to be able to message a girl.[/QUOTE]I'm the type to browse and favorite profiles on SA and then eventually paying for a month subscription to contact them. Although I'm still banned so I haven't and don't plan on doing it for awhile. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from all the things that have happened in the last 6 mo.

I will say this. If you use tinder, okcupid, POF, and Instagram you will eventually run across girls from SA. I've run across local girls on IG that I've seen on SA. Just recently a person I used to work with about 10 yrs ago signed up for IG and we started following each other. Almost right away IG suggested a girl over seen on SA for a few years. I click on her profile and it turns out she follows the lady I used to work with. Turns out they work at the same warehouse.

[QUOTE=CreamFire;5364296]That chick actually has multiple accts and kept liking my profile. I wasn't into to her looks as she looks like a hardcore druggie that you find off the streets. I messaged her but it seemed to easy and the multiple accts were a huge red flag.

https://www.seeking.com/member/d80a43eb-ab26-4d94-9491-b626eace6994[/QUOTE]Another Profile:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0d16a46e-c0c0-48d2-8e9f-98c7d05748be[/URL]

[QUOTE=RanManCan;5364167]When I first moved to LA 20 yrs ago, I got quickly scammed and pretty much learned my lesson. On HX for years, don't recall getting scammed there.

Since getting on SA a few years ago, I think I've had only 2-3 ask for money upfront. That was usually followed by a bad lay, but never a scam.

At about 11 pm, we meet in coffeeshop parking lot, have a little chat, everything seems normal. She drove her own car. Obviously a transactional hookup.

We go to my place nearby, she parks on the street 100 feet away instead of in my driveway, my driveway can be a little tight, so I didn't think much of it.

We have a nice convo for 20 minutes in my kitchen, she tells me all sorts of life details, seems legit. Other than going into kitchen bathroom to take a phone call.

Onto the bedroom, she asks for the money upfront. I know it's a red flag, but it seemed to make her more comfortable and HX dates are usually upfront (remember, this is pretty transactional) so I gave it to her. She then immediatly goes into the bathroom, shoes, phone, and all. She turns on the bathroom fan as most people do. I was definetly alarmed now and stood post between the bathroom and exit to my house, so there was no way she was going to get past me.

After several minutes of not hearing much, I finally knock on the door. No response. I grab the key and open the door, half expecting her to be passed out, OD'd, or otherwise incapacitated, I mean where could she have possibly gone?

Turns out, this skinny athletic little girl removed the screen to my chest-high, 2nd-story bathroom window. A vertical window that slides open only 9. 25 inches wide (I measured it after) and jumped / climbed out. Never in a million years did it occur to me someone would / could jump out this window. Not sure I could physically get through it in a fire.

My first thought was "I'm impressed" . . . She really got me. This girl is certainly a professional thief, been doing this sort of shit her entire life. Although I never saw or heard him, I suspect she had a male accomplice outside my door in case things got physical.

My second thought was, I could care less about the money, but knew that it would affect my trust. Sure enough, a date with a local girl a week later went south when she took too long in a restaurant bathroom (not paid yet, but triggered my trust issues).

SA Profile: Jennyyy, 24 years, white, 5'7", slim, in the LA area. I don't have link as I reported her for theft, not sure if SA took her profile down.

Please post a link if you find it.[/QUOTE]She also got to case your joint too. No hooker, SB or otherwise has ever seen the inside of my home, regardless of the length of our "relationship" Hotel or their place. I have trust issues. .

[QUOTE=RanManCan;5364167]When I first moved to LA 20 yrs ago, I got quickly scammed and pretty much learned my lesson. On HX for years, don't recall getting scammed there.

Since getting on SA a few years ago, I think I've had only 2-3 ask for money upfront. That was usually followed by a bad lay, but never a scam.

At about 11 pm, we meet in coffeeshop parking lot, have a little chat, everything seems normal. She drove her own car. Obviously a transactional hookup.

We go to my place nearby, she parks on the street 100 feet away instead of in my driveway, my driveway can be a little tight, so I didn't think much of it.

We have a nice convo for 20 minutes in my kitchen, she tells me all sorts of life details, seems legit. Other than going into kitchen bathroom to take a phone call.

Onto the bedroom, she asks for the money upfront. I know it's a red flag, but it seemed to make her more comfortable and HX dates are usually upfront (remember, this is pretty transactional) so I gave it to her. She then immediatly goes into the bathroom, shoes, phone, and all. She turns on the bathroom fan as most people do. I was definetly alarmed now and stood post between the bathroom and exit to my house, so there was no way she was going to get past me.

After several minutes of not hearing much, I finally knock on the door. No response. I grab the key and open the door, half expecting her to be passed out, OD'd, or otherwise incapacitated, I mean where could she have possibly gone?

Turns out, this skinny athletic little girl removed the screen to my chest-high, 2nd-story bathroom window. A vertical window that slides open only 9. 25 inches wide (I measured it after) and jumped / climbed out. Never in a million years did it occur to me someone would / could jump out this window. Not sure I could physically get through it in a fire.

My first thought was "I'm impressed" . . . She really got me. This girl is certainly a professional thief, been doing this sort of shit her entire life. Although I never saw or heard him, I suspect she had a male accomplice outside my door in case things got physical.

My second thought was, I could care less about the money, but knew that it would affect my trust. Sure enough, a date with a local girl a week later went south when she took too long in a restaurant bathroom (not paid yet, but triggered my trust issues).

SA Profile: Jennyyy, 24 years, white, 5'7", slim, in the LA area. I don't have link as I reported her for theft, not sure if SA took her profile down.

Please post a link if you find it.[/QUOTE]I have no problem with this story. You did not get "taken" you were the victim of a crime. The stories were some dud is as hard as a turtle, calls for outcall, and a girl comes over and basically asks for 200, then 400 then more to do nothing and then runs out when the driver comes out, that is being taken advantage of.

This woman must have literally cased your place in advance or something and gotten a text from daddy and was told to climb out.

I admire that ingenuity.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;5364167]When I first moved to LA 20 yrs ago, I got quickly scammed and pretty much learned my lesson. On HX for years, don't recall getting scammed there.

Since getting on SA a few years ago, I think I've had only 2-3 ask for money upfront. That was usually followed by a bad lay, but never a scam.

At about 11 pm, we meet in coffeeshop parking lot, have a little chat, everything seems normal. She drove her own car. Obviously a transactional hookup.

We go to my place nearby, she parks on the street 100 feet away instead of in my driveway, my driveway can be a little tight, so I didn't think much of it.

We have a nice convo for 20 minutes in my kitchen, she tells me all sorts of life details, seems legit. Other than going into kitchen bathroom to take a phone call.

Onto the bedroom, she asks for the money upfront. I know it's a red flag, but it seemed to make her more comfortable and HX dates are usually upfront (remember, this is pretty transactional) so I gave it to her. She then immediatly goes into the bathroom, shoes, phone, and all. She turns on the bathroom fan as most people do. I was definetly alarmed now and stood post between the bathroom and exit to my house, so there was no way she was going to get past me.

After several minutes of not hearing much, I finally knock on the door. No response. I grab the key and open the door, half expecting her to be passed out, OD'd, or otherwise incapacitated, I mean where could she have possibly gone?

Turns out, this skinny athletic little girl removed the screen to my chest-high, 2nd-story bathroom window. A vertical window that slides open only 9. 25 inches wide (I measured it after) and jumped / climbed out. Never in a million years did it occur to me someone would / could jump out this window. Not sure I could physically get through it in a fire.

My first thought was "I'm impressed" . . . She really got me. This girl is certainly a professional thief, been doing this sort of shit her entire life. Although I never saw or heard him, I suspect she had a male accomplice outside my door in case things got physical.

My second thought was, I could care less about the money, but knew that it would affect my trust. Sure enough, a date with a local girl a week later went south when she took too long in a restaurant bathroom (not paid yet, but triggered my trust issues).

SA Profile: Jennyyy, 24 years, white, 5'7", slim, in the LA area. I don't have link as I reported her for theft, not sure if SA took her profile down.

Please post a link if you find it.[/QUOTE]I have no problem with this story. You did not get "taken" you were the victim of a crime. The stories were some dud is as hard as a turtle, calls for outcall, and a girl comes over and basically asks for 200, then 400 then more to do nothing and then runs out when the driver comes out, that is being taken advantage of.

This woman must have literally cased your place in advance or something and gotten a text from daddy and was told to climb out.

I admire that ingenuity.

[QUOTE=CreamFire;5363113]So I was having a convo with this girl (or scammer?) on SA about why money upfront? She said all her SD were willing to give upfront. I told her she's lucky and to ask her SD how many were scammed. Her response was all of them and what she was told by SDnwas they just get a bad batch and it was chump change on what they lost. So, pretty much scammers are rampant on SA because the whale SDs don't care and it's just a number game to them till they hit jackpot.[/QUOTE]She is probably telling the truth. She only dates or ghosts guys that pay upfront. Its believable. Plenty of stupid new SD's everyday. Especially the recently divorced.

[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;5363970]Props to you for sharing a tale that most would not admit to. I think you deserve more sympathy than you've gotten. We've probbaly all felt for scams and it's just a matter of how hard.

I might have pushed harder on that last scenario though. If you had a big size advantage on that guy you may have been able to get your money back. If it became clear to him he couldn't bully you physically what could he do? Maybe you could have turned it around and made him scared. But maybe you were smarter to show restraint, you never know if someone has a weapon.[/QUOTE]Actually not escalating physically was probably the ONLY good decision he made that entire story. Yes, maybe it wouldve worked out, but like you said, you never know what weapons they may have or what. Its just not worth it. The L was taken on every single decision he made leading up to that point.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;5364167]
After several minutes of not hearing much, I finally knock on the door. No response. I grab the key and open the door, half expecting her to be passed out, OD'd, or otherwise incapacitated, I mean where could she have possibly gone?

Turns out, this skinny athletic little girl removed the screen to my chest-high, 2nd-story bathroom window. A vertical window that slides open only 9. 25 inches wide (I measured it after) and jumped / climbed out. Never in a million years did it occur to me someone would / could jump out this window. Not sure I could physically get through it in a fire.

My first thought was "I'm impressed" . . . She really got me. This girl is certainly a professional thief, been doing this sort of shit her entire life. Although I never saw or heard him, I suspect she had a male accomplice outside my door in case things got physical.

SA Profile: Jennyyy, 24 years, white, 5'7", slim, in the LA area. I don't have link as I reported her for theft, not sure if SA took her profile down.

Please post a link if you find it.[/QUOTE]

I almost forgot the best part, her profile tagline read:

"You never know what you have until it's gone"

Which I took as a sentimental. Haha, silly me.

So, if you ever hear / read such a thing, it should make your ears perk up.


FYI - my house is pretty well setup/sanitized for this, been doing it for 2 years, never a problem. Nothing with my name is accessible (papers, packages, prescreptions, etc). Not really any valuables in the house

So the (I)nstagram app used to be a great screener for me after I got girls numbers to make sure they weren't a fake but they seem to have removed the ability to manually sync contacts so it's pretty much useless now. Anyone have another way of doing this or a work around?

[QUOTE=RanManCan;5365009]I almost forgot the best part, her profile tagline read:

"You never know what you have until it's gone"

Which I took as a sentimental. Haha, silly me.

So, if you ever hear / read such a thing, it should make your ears perk up.


FYI - my house is pretty well setup/sanitized for this, been doing it for 2 years, never a problem. Nothing with my name is accessible (papers, packages, prescreptions, etc). Not really any valuables in the house[/QUOTE]You mentioned she probably had a guy friend waiting for her at the bottom floor, underneath the window to catch her. How did she text him your address? Did you notice her scoping out the street name and the numbers as you parked / drove? Did she text while you were driving.

Whenever I pick up a girl, I tell her to put her phone away. If she texts while I am driving I drop her off ASAP.

They all lie and say they are texting their friend. When we all know it is their pimp / stick up guy.