Non Pro's

[QUOTE=MisterPnw;5838513]Hey guys. Thanks so much for all of you that post tips and updates. Decided to start contributing too with some of my recent favs:

Revka:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f99ce7bd-ac4d-4899-b2c3-63b740f2eb38[/URL]

She is super chill to hang with. Funny, smart and the perfect girl to go out on a date with and for things to seem natural and fun. In bed she was really good too. Nice head game, tight little body, enthusiastic. BBBJ with CIM and swallow, CFS but will do BBFS if you have recent results you can show her. The text saying I was clean wasn't enough for her and I couldn't pull up my actual results in time. Still had a great time. Multiple rounds. Think she's very kink friendly too but we didn't get the chance to explore more. Seeing her again soon. Damage was 400.

AHintOfSpice:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/35602745-ebd9-4f70-ad95-ca898f6398a4[/URL]

One of my favs. Stunning Indian girl with surprisingly little inhibition. One of the best looking women I've been with. Charming personality and isn't afraid of getting down to business. Great head game (BBBJ) and took a face fucking too. Prepped to make sure my test results were available for her and she let me go bare and nut in her. Also does Greek but did not take her up on it. Have seen her multiple times and plan to continue. Damage was 400.[/QUOTE]Hey, thanks for the info, these are beautiful women.

I haven't tried SA before. I'm not some tech exec so more SB type arrangements aren't really in my wheelhouse, but I am intrigued. Were your dates with these women multi hour hangouts? Is that a normal expectation?

[QUOTE=Travelerr;5845327]...
I haven't tried SA before. I'm not some tech exec so more SB type arrangements aren't really in my wheelhouse, but I am intrigued. Were your dates with these women multi hour hangouts? Is that a normal expectation?[/QUOTE]In general if they are charging by the hour they aren't "Non Pro's". My expectation is that a "date" lasts at least three or so hours, and often the whole evening.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;5845395]In general if they are charging by the hour they aren't "Non Pro's". My expectation is that a "date" lasts at least three or so hours, and often the whole evening.[/QUOTE]Thank you, that was my impression, but didn't want to make any assumptions. I'd gladly drop the asking for a few hours with that Indian gal.

Alright, one last newbie question, thanks for your patience.

I live out in Tacoma, but I'm looking to have fun in Seattle. Is it common to hang out at their place or do I need to grab a hotel or Airbnb? Hotels are so sterile, if I'm hanging with a non-pro I'd have more fun somewhere more comfortable. Any advice?

[QUOTE=Travelerr;5845603]Alright, one last newbie question, thanks for your patience.

I live out in Tacoma, but I'm looking to have fun in Seattle. Is it common to hang out at their place or do I need to grab a hotel or Airbnb? Hotels are so sterile, if I'm hanging with a non-pro I'd have more fun somewhere more comfortable. Any advice?[/QUOTE]Most can't host, and expect you to arrange a place.

[QUOTE=Travelerr;5845603]Alright, one last newbie question, thanks for your patience.

I live out in Tacoma, but I'm looking to have fun in Seattle. Is it common to hang out at their place or do I need to grab a hotel or Airbnb? Hotels are so sterile, if I'm hanging with a non-pro I'd have more fun somewhere more comfortable. Any advice?[/QUOTE]I always take them to my place if they're local, but I know a lot of people aren't into that and would highly not recommend doing so. When I travel, I get a hotel of course. It all depends on the setup you get though. Another one mentioned that if they're talking hourly, then they're a pro and I agree with that. Like there's this girl that I used to see in Pensacola and when I'd come to town, she'd stay in my hotel with me the whole time. I'd just feed and entertain her and her kids and slip her $120/ day. In that case, a hotel didn't seem awkward or sterile and in fact made the whole experience seem more upscale to her.

So in the end, it's up to you. There are guys here who immediately have no interest if the girl can't host, but I myself would prefer to host myself be it at my place or a hotel. It's whatever works for you.

[URL]https://tryst.link/massage/luxury-companion143[/URL]

I hope you told her to lower her expectations.

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5829198][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2f95500a-6525-4c4f-a6df-b20b572c7edd[/URL]

Chatted with this and when we discussed allowance I suggested $300-$400, she didn't counter, just said that her expectation was considerably higher.[/QUOTE]

Curious if anyone has any info on her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ef69718d-9cae-4c0b-8ba3-8a4076cc80be[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrJack;5851667]Curious if anyone has any info on her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ef69718d-9cae-4c0b-8ba3-8a4076cc80be[/URL][/QUOTE]Wants 700 ppm, GPS but very pretty and toned body though.

[QUOTE=Travelerr;5845603]Alright, one last newbie question, thanks for your patience.

I live out in Tacoma, but I'm looking to have fun in Seattle. Is it common to hang out at their place or do I need to grab a hotel or Airbnb? Hotels are so sterile, if I'm hanging with a non-pro I'd have more fun somewhere more comfortable. Any advice?[/QUOTE]At the end of the day, everyone has their own preference. The important thing is to understand and set your own boundaries for your comfort (style, cost etc) and safety (how much of your personal information are you willing to share, how much do you trust her) etc. I used to host women at my condo years ago now I never do that, but it is a personal choice. Crime has gone up considerably and to me that is a line I am absolutely not comfortable crossing, but understand each person has their own preference. I usually book a room if the lady cannot host. If she is hosting from her house. I use a lot of caution the first time I go there. Do not want to walk into a house and find someone hiding in the basement or closet or restroom, but I am not overly paranoid either. Wish there was a direct answer, but it really depends on who you are, who you are meeting and how much you want to plan and protect your personal information. BTW have you tried the "tubs" do a search here and you will find a lot of information. It is a place where you can rent a private room with a bed and hot tub by the hour and it is no questions asked and everyone knows why you are there and that the lady with you is probably being paid. Best of luck and hopefully you will find the combination that works the best for you.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/034a98a6-3a19-4e90-a33f-71816b300477[/URL]

Something is giving me "pro"subscribe to my OF" vibes. Also, I think I've read somewhere else on this forum that this one has previously been doing cash and dash.

[QUOTE=CreamPieGuy543;5854541][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/034a98a6-3a19-4e90-a33f-71816b300477[/URL]

Something is giving me "pro"subscribe to my OF" vibes. Also, I think I've read somewhere else on this forum that this one has previously been doing cash and dash.[/QUOTE]She contacted me after she saw I looked at her profile recently. Pleasant enough but definitely a GPS pro vibe. Said she would only do a meet and greet only in the Fife area but would be willing to meet halfway for meet-ups. I passed after she said she expected compensation for the meet and greet.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ca9b3df9-bd84-4277-bb63-ed1057f8a7e4[/URL]

Picture seller, was kind enough to give me his email so I could pay him via paypal.

[EMAIL]bernardusodero@yahoo.com[/EMAIL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9ce6637b-04db-4a82-8f37-874db62912bf[/URL]

Subject more or less says ot all, except she communicated with me up until 3 minutes before the check in. Then nothing. Then after 3 hours, "Hey".

[QUOTE=ShibaSig12;5852281]Wants 700 ppm, GPS but very pretty and toned body though.[/QUOTE]She messaged me with that as well. I passed. I have zero interest in someone so in love with herself that she has delusional GPS.

I too got the GPS vibe from her. Those model-quality pictures are nice, but I suspect they're a lure for a "pre-paid" M&G. I passed, though the girl in the pictures is really hot.

[QUOTE=CreamPieGuy543;5854541][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/034a98a6-3a19-4e90-a33f-71816b300477[/URL]

Something is giving me "pro"subscribe to my OF" vibes. Also, I think I've read somewhere else on this forum that this one has previously been doing cash and dash.[/QUOTE]

I had a client that is a SB stop by the office today. She has had one guy for 10 years and met him on Seeking. He gave her $250 K last year to help her put a down payment on a house (her annual allowance from him is $100 K). I finally took a good look at her. She's cute, a little ditzy in a sweet way but definitely not a knockout (I've fucked hotter for free in the last 5 years or so). She had some boobs, but absolutely zero butt. So, that's more than $1 million in 10 years for doing nothing but fucking someone occasionally part-time. Interestingly enough, we talked about the whole SB thing (again) and not once did she say nice things about him or even speak fondly of him. She did say great things about her "broke" boyfriend who she has to buy stuff for.

So, while some of you are complaining about fucking $500 GPS girls, here's someone that is slightly above average looking that is bringing in $100 K / year (or $250 K last year). There is money in this area and many of these ladies know it.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5858480]I had a client that is a SB stop by the office today. She has had one guy for 10 years and met him on Seeking. He gave her $250 K last year to help her put a down payment on a house (her annual allowance from him is $100 K). I finally took a good look at her. She's cute, a little ditzy in a sweet way but definitely not a knockout (I've fucked hotter for free in the last 5 years or so). She had some boobs, but absolutely zero butt. So, that's more than $1 million in 10 years for doing nothing but fucking someone occasionally part-time. Interestingly enough, we talked about the whole SB thing (again) and not once did she say nice things about him or even speak fondly of him. She did say great things about her "broke" boyfriend who she has to buy stuff for.

So, while some of you are complaining about fucking $500 GPS girls, here's someone that is slightly above average looking that is bringing in $100 K / year (or $250 K last year). There is money in this area and many of these ladies know it.[/QUOTE]So what. It certainly does not mean that we must pay those ridiculous rates most of these women are charging these days. If you want to pay them, be my guest. But that makes it much more difficult for us who absolutely will not (and hate to) pay those higher rates.

[QUOTE=XyzzyS2;5856280][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9ce6637b-04db-4a82-8f37-874db62912bf[/URL]

Subject more or less says ot all, except she communicated with me up until 3 minutes before the check in. Then nothing. Then after 3 hours, "Hey".[/QUOTE]Yeah it's a bit of a hassle but I prefer to meet even for coffee before going to the hotel. As you do not know if she would show or how she really looks like.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5858480]
So, while some of you are complaining about fucking $500 GPS girls, here's someone that is slightly above average looking that is bringing in $100 K / year (or $250 K last year). There is money in this area and many of these ladies know it.[/QUOTE]There's a lot of money in this area and maybe 10 years ago I was pretty hot shit but my company just gave this undergrad from Harvard a $307 k starting salary. My new neighbor? I live in Portage Bay and my new next door neighbor looks like he's 25 max. Yeah, he bought that house. And he's single and his place is apparently the place to meet up at after going out on Friday and Saturday. So yeah, these guys have money and they're willing to spend.

Like, for the most part I hang out with two SBs in Seattle -- one is $500 and the other is $200. I don't think that the $500 is way better than the $200 one but sometimes I'm in the mood for one over the other and that's just what they cost. I'm not telling anyone that they should "get used to it" or should pay more than what they're comfortable paying, but this is just what's going on right now.

I actually have a funny story to share. A week ago I noticed that my old nanny now has an * We used to be really close so I talked to her about it and she told me that she's on Secret Benefits and is doing the SD thing to fund her lifestyle. I asked her straight up if we could hook up and she told me to make an offer, which I did at 30 minutes for $300. She laughed and said (paraphrased) "Michael, that's sweet and it really sounds like fun, but I charge $1200/ hr". And she left it at that. Yeah. I'm not THAT excited to fuck the nanny but as her Snapchat buddy, I saw her recent trips to Vegas, Miami, and Cancun -- clearly someone is.

[QUOTE=XyzzyS2;5856280][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9ce6637b-04db-4a82-8f37-874db62912bf[/URL]

Subject more or less says ot all, except she communicated with me up until 3 minutes before the check in. Then nothing. Then after 3 hours, "Hey".[/QUOTE]What allowance did you agree upon?

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;5858923]There's a lot of money in this area and maybe 10 years ago I was pretty hot shit but my company just gave this undergrad from Harvard a $307 k starting salary. My new neighbor? I live in Portage Bay and my new next door neighbor looks like he's 25 max. Yeah, he bought that house. And he's single and his place is apparently the place to meet up at after going out on Friday and Saturday. So yeah, these guys have money and they're willing to spend.

Like, for the most part I hang out with two SBs in Seattle -- one is $500 and the other is $200. I don't think that the $500 is way better than the $200 one but sometimes I'm in the mood for one over the other and that's just what they cost. I'm not telling anyone that they should "get used to it" or should pay more than what they're comfortable paying, but this is just what's going on right now.

I actually have a funny story to share. A week ago I noticed that my old nanny now has an * We used to be really close so I talked to her about it and she told me that she's on Secret Benefits and is doing the SD thing to fund her lifestyle. I asked her straight up if we could hook up and she told me to make an offer, which I did at 30 minutes for $300. She laughed and said (paraphrased) "Michael, that's sweet and it really sounds like fun, but I charge $1200/ hr". And she left it at that. Yeah. I'm not THAT excited to fuck the nanny but as her Snapchat buddy, I saw her recent trips to Vegas, Miami, and Cancun -- clearly someone is.[/QUOTE]Back in the time frame 1996 through 2004, I made a lot of money as a COBOL programmer, dealing with the so-called "Year 2000 crisis". It was definitely a fantastic time for anyone with such skills. But I did not change my life style in any way, shape, or form. About the only "over the top" item I purchased was a 2001 BMW 525 I brand new. But we had been planning on purchasing a new car anyway, and in fact we were considering some Acura models. The BMW wound up costing us only about $10 K more.

What we did instead was save as much money as we could for our retirement, and it was definitely a wise decision. I certainly did not over spend when it came to visiting providers, as it was not necessary. In those days, there were so many more reliable, independent, service oriented women available, at decent, "in the market" rates.

Of course since the pandemic started, the provider market has changed drastically, with most women charging over the top rates, and still only providing so-called services. Given that most hobbyists are either rookies, or developed cabin fever due to the isolation connected with the pandemic, they are willing to pay such crazy rates. And of course there is the limited supply of decent independent providers which also contributes to all this.

But your post is well stated.

Wants $500. I did not try to negotiate. Cute girl from the pic she sent me.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0e78793c-af86-4858-9747-419b591abc89[/URL]

I told her we did 300 per date and saw each other 2-3 times a month. Her reply was, we are not close.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8c3102f8-a9c4-42f4-abd9-a214075b017d[/URL]

750 per? But damn look at that body!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb1fc461-3c7b-492b-9ae7-1da6fd35438f[/URL]

Topic came up on another forum and I never got an answer so I thought I'd ask here but how do you spot providers at casinos I frequent them and love the hobby so why not combine the 2 what should I look for if I've never picked of up there before.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/177cbab6-46f5-4111-809e-854877bd2dff[/URL]

Wanted to move to text right away. Phone number was from Louisiana and when I asked to see a few pics showing her face and body, she sent me pics of porn star Bree Olson.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;5860030]I told her we did 300 per date and saw each other 2-3 times a month. Her reply was, we are not close.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8c3102f8-a9c4-42f4-abd9-a214075b017d[/URL][/QUOTE]She quoted me 800.

[QUOTE=CellCell97;5860148]Topic came up on another forum and I never got an answer so I thought I'd ask here but how do you spot providers at casinos I frequent them and love the hobby so why not combine the 2 what should I look for if I've never picked of up there before.[/QUOTE]Just make eye contact and smile, if they are pros they will come to you.

Blocked!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/034a98a6-3a19-4e90-a33f-71816b300477[/URL]

Wants a paid platonic date to start.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/034a98a6-3a19-4e90-a33f-71816b300477[/URL]

Just to find out you need a 200-500 first date, um platonic first date.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e23a0122-3049-46d0-8d32-eaa910ce78d7[/URL]

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/b5599e51a8de83d4[/URL]

Thanks!

[QUOTE=CellCell97;5860148]Topic came up on another forum and I never got an answer so I thought I'd ask here but how do you spot providers at casinos I frequent them and love the hobby so why not combine the 2 what should I look for if I've never picked of up there before.[/QUOTE]But in Las Vegas, they'll find you. They'll come up with some excuse to talk to you and it's easy from there. The casinos frown upon them so they try to be somewhat discrete but if you're alone and playing video poker or what not, you'll get hit up.

[QUOTE=MyNickname;5860599][URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/b5599e51a8de83d4[/URL]

Thanks![/QUOTE]Yes, I had a meet and greet date with her back in fall 2020. I met her off Seeking. She is still active there as well as Secret Benefits.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bbc181ba-7d3e-463f-a302-d038533e24e9[/URL]

We had a meal together, hung out about an hour and she seemed like a fun, friendly and cute girl. After the date we texted and agreed on a $300 PPM. But when it came time to set up a follow up date she ghosted. I was bummed as she had seemed promising. You in Kitsap? You should give her a shot.

Long time lurker here and finally tried out Seeking. Here are my initial reports:

This one quoted me 600 PPM (she said only if we vibe, so I'm guessing the 600 is only if I actually end up at her place). She noted she can host and has a flexible schedule. If I ever take the plunge (I actually may), I'll note what she offers:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/367467af-d88f-4462-8fb7-4005c1c55dae[/URL]

I had endless chatting with this one and she ended up quoting me 300 PPM, but was not clear on what that included. We did an initial meet and greet and I didn't give her anything other than paying for her drinks. She listed off a ton of health and mental issues and ended the meet greet after 2 hours. Afterwards, sent me an e-mail asking if I wanted to see her again and gave me her Cashapp. I told her I'd only see her again in a non-platonic capacity and never heard from her again:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ccd49465-899c-4f57-9627-f7d92d1aa50b[/URL]

This one basically straight up just said "let me show you a good time" and we moved to e-mail right away. She was pretty all over the place. Started by saying everything is covered and she doesn't do anal, then out of nowhere states "I believe you said $350" when we had no discussion of price. On top of that, she noted she can't host when my profile specifically states I require it. I simply noted if you can't host it's a deal breaker and we stopped talking.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c16604e1-7a6e-40a2-b848-13849a14813e[/URL]

I'm pretty hesitant to discuss any type of specific services offered in writing so unfortunately I don't know what's on the table with the people I message, but figured I'd offer up some info of my own for once.

[QUOTE=WalterWhite99;5858833]So what. It certainly does not mean that we must pay those ridiculous rates most of these women are charging these days. If you want to pay them, be my guest. But that makes it much more difficult for us who absolutely will not (and hate to) pay those higher rates.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with this. I'm sure a Ferrari is nice but a Toyota will still get you there and definitely more reliably.

No link, as she blocked me for calling her out, pic seller.

Couldn't get her to budge off of 5 bills.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1ae86a64-4350-46e9-b562-8ff0f381ee12[/URL]