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[QUOTE=JWalker350;5453207]50% of girls on SA even asked me 700-800 ppm. One girl said her friend got $5 K per month. I told her that her friend should not go to school or work since $5 K a month equivalent to $100 K a year after tax and she just spend 2-3 hours per week with SD. I also told her to find 5 SDs so she can get 1/2 million dollars per year. A very good job.
Two girls asked me 500 for meet and greet, one girl asked for 300 for coffee date.[/QUOTE]At Jwalker Exactly they could do this as a full time job without going to school. I am. Not sure why the SD are paying this much and inflating the prices where people don't even need to go to school.

This is insane what I witnessed ln SA which was different couple of years back where you could get a very hot SB for 300 ppm max.

[QUOTE=OcasianBoy;5453178]New profile here.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3d9f2467-3226-4522-8113-e3d869bd6186[/URL][/QUOTE]It is not scam. She is an escort. I chatted number of girls on day time that I saw their location was San Diego then later at night, I saw they were at different locations such as Orange County, LA, Las Vegas, Arizona, New York or Chicago, etc. They are pros, just move around to find men.

It's b / c of youtube and the news doing SA piece and how women are profiting. Agreed, 300 ppm back then used to be the upper tiers fir 9 and 10's babes. Now, everyone's base is like 5 hundie. When they are really skanks.

[QUOTE=SNathan;5453232]At Jwalker Exactly they could do this as a full time job without going to school. I am. Not sure why the SD are paying this much and inflating the prices where people don't even need to go to school.

This is insane what I witnessed ln SA which was different couple of years back where you could get a very hot SB for 300 ppm max.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CitySlicker;5454060]It's b / c of youtube and the news doing SA piece and how women are profiting. Agreed, 300 ppm back then used to be the upper tiers fir 9 and 10's babes. Now, everyone's base is like 5 hundie. When they are really skanks.[/QUOTE]As long as no one pays that much, the price has to be down. I hold very firm on max price of 300 when dealing with them. I still have my long term SB.

[QUOTE=RazorFish1801;5441352]Gents.

Won't repeat.

Private message me for details.[/QUOTE]Anyone seen her?? She is trying to get in touch with me multiple times.

Not sure if she is genuine.

[QUOTE=JWalker350;5454152]As long as no one pays that much, the price has to be down. I hold very firm on max price of 300 when dealing with them. I still have my long term SB.[/QUOTE]Don't cave and overpay. Things may have nudged up, but 500 seems crazy gps. My reasoning, just about all POT will immediately agree to 500 because that's like hitting a jackpot. Most will easily agree to 400 and with some negotiation quite a few will take 300. If you are a skilled negotiator, have some game, you can do even better. It's market dynamics, if guys fold their cards easily and overpay, it just drives up the ppm because it becomes too easy for them to cash in. I'm at 1200/ mo with my ATF and she is just as GFE and more as any serious GF I've ever had and we spend several hours together. Granted we've known each other for almost 2 years. A couple alternates I met early this year are happy with 200. I believe it works for them because I live nearby, they feel safe and it's convenient and fun. I just say no to gps, if they are not happy with 100+/ hr, they can go hungry. Don't forget, there are other POT sbs out there

[QUOTE=KingBaby;5432694]Thank you so much for sharing and I am sorry for the experience.

We really should have a "no flight list" here on SA. At least within our SD County.[/QUOTE]Yes. I am totally agree with no flight list. Please create one. Thanks.

1. Never ever pay for meet and greet, no play no pay.

2. always ask for a full view / recent pic showing the whole body, fatties zoom in on their face to hide their figure, preferably video call.

3. set the expectations ahead of time, be clear and confident in what you are looking for.

4. don't get stuck on one chic, these girls are fickle, you need a plan a, b, c, and D.

5. If you see a girl and bang her, her biggest fear is that you will never see her again, make sure to tell her you are looking for a regular that appreciates you and wants to make you happy, whatever it takes to please you. This is to ensure she gives it her all, there are a lot of lazy girls that think you a desperate and will accept a shitty time.

6. this should have been number 1, never ever send any money before meeting. Not even 1 cent, this is for sure a scam.

7. meet in a setting with an easy out, preferably coffee, smoothie, ice cream, drinks. Lunch or dinner can be awkward if a fatty that you don't want to be around shows up.

8. don't be afraid to discuss expectations beforehand. Shitty escorts are taking over SA, that think that a shitty experience with them is worth $500. Had to kick a girl out of my house that wanted $600 for no kissing, CBJ, I told her I was insulted, and want to be treated like how she would treat a bf. She left promptly.

9. never ever pay any cash upfront. Always after the deed is done. Another sneaky thing is they will pretend they were scammed or fucked and not paid, its bullshit, they are the scammers.

10. Also girls that want to text too much before meeting and chat too much, don't give in to their time wasting, tell them lets continue the conversation in person, lets meet at whatever day or time suits you.

11. You call the shots, you set the terms, this is your arrangement. If you she is cool with it great, if not there are plenty of others that are down with your program whatever it may be.

12. I've had to evolve and change my techniques over the years, in the past, I would take a lot more chances and score a gem, these days, can't take those same chances and risks anymore. Its a minefield, but there are still gems to be found.

13. Report all scammers and block their number and account, post a warning. I've had some bad experiences, some I am embarrassed about because I knew better, but stick to your guns and have confidence you will score.

14. Have fun and stay positive, have a friendly profile, any negativity in your profile can be a disqualifies for lots of girls.

15. Get Laid. That's what its all about, good luck out there.

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8. Shitty escorts are taking over SA, that think that a shitty experience with them is worth $500. [b]Had to kick a girl out of my house[/b] that wanted $600 for no kissing, CBJ, I told her I was insulted, and want to be treated like how she would treat a bf. She left promptly.[/QUOTE]Wrong. You never invite a hooker in your own home. Her gangbanger BF sitting in their beat up Honda parked in your driveway casing your place while you fuck her on the couch where you sleep at night.

Don't shit in your own backyard, especially if you live in one of the most expensive zip codes in CA. That's what hotels are for.

Did a M&G with a girl the other day. Seems pretty cool. Actually I happened to message her on her first day of being on SA. Just went through a divorce, said she has a good job, just needs some emotional and physical support, and would appreciate some gifts here and there. Didn't specify any amounts, or what kinds of gifts. Said she's not necessarily looking for anything sexual right now, but more like platonic cuddling and movie watching and stuff. Also not looking to get involved long term.

Still new to the game, didn't want to potentially ruin something by being too forward. The vibe I got is something mostly platonic, someone to keep her company now that she's single, until she can find someone more her age to actually date. But who knows what happens when you're cuddling up on a couch watching a movie, right? She was cute, seemed cool, and pretty young. I think potential is there for this to be something good. Should I invest the time for something that may never move past platonic? How much would you give gift wise? Or just an allowance? Start small and see how it goes? Or actually try and nail down numbers we'd both be ok with?

[QUOTE=RyanE36;5470487]Did a M&G with a girl the other day. Seems pretty cool. Actually I happened to message her on her first day of being on SA. Just went through a divorce, said she has a good job, just needs some emotional and physical support, and would appreciate some gifts here and there. Didn't specify any amounts, or what kinds of gifts. Said she's not necessarily looking for anything sexual right now, but more like platonic cuddling and movie watching and stuff. Also not looking to get involved long term.

Still new to the game, didn't want to potentially ruin something by being too forward. The vibe I got is something mostly platonic, someone to keep her company now that she's single, until she can find someone more her age to actually date. But who knows what happens when you're cuddling up on a couch watching a movie, right? She was cute, seemed cool, and pretty young. I think potential is there for this to be something good. Should I invest the time for something that may never move past platonic? How much would you give gift wise? Or just an allowance? Start small and see how it goes? Or actually try and nail down numbers we'd both be ok with?[/QUOTE]SA is full of women with the same story. Not yours is not legit, but it is an art to keep you thinking there might be the potential of more so that you keep investing. IMO, you can do that for free through any dating site. If I don't get laid on the first date from SA I'm out. If she really just wanted company why would she be on a site that is entirely geared up the SB life style. Good luck if you choose to move forward, or you can keep searching and easily find one that will put out first meet. My average is 300-400 per meet. I have only had one date on SA where I didn't get laid first meet. That one it became pretty obvious she was playing me and never saw her again.

[QUOTE=JWalker350;5466085]Yes. I am totally agree with no flight list. Please create one. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Already reported here several times over last few years, IIRC.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0cdc3ef9-da0f-4d66-9340-600d6d5168a0[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5470545]SA is full of women with the same story. Not yours is not legit, but it is an art to keep you thinking there might be the potential of more so that you keep investing. IMO, you can do that for free through any dating site. If I don't get laid on the first date from SA I'm out. If she really just wanted company why would she be on a site that is entirely geared up the SB life style. Good luck if you choose to move forward, or you can keep searching and easily find one that will put out first meet. My average is 300-400 per meet. I have only had one date on SA where I didn't get laid first meet. That one it became pretty obvious she was playing me and never saw her again.[/QUOTE]Fair points. I guess I was thinking along the lines of if we're hanging out for a couple hours, a couple times a month, and the allowance / gift was averaging out to 20-30 bucks an hour, it might not be that lucrative for her if she was just trying to play me. But we still haven't settled on numbers yet, so she could want a lot more.

One girl I was talking to some time ago seemed really chill at first, and then said she wanted 3 k / month. But if that was a lot all at once I could give it to her in installments, 1 k every 10 days.

[QUOTE=RyanE36;5470799]Fair points. I guess I was thinking along the lines of if we're hanging out for a couple hours, a couple times a month, and the allowance / gift was averaging out to 20-30 bucks an hour, it might not be that lucrative for her if she was just trying to play me. But we still haven't settled on numbers yet, so she could want a lot more.

One girl I was talking to some time ago seemed really chill at first, and then said she wanted 3 k / month. But if that was a lot all at once I could give it to her in installments, 1 k every 10 days.[/QUOTE]These Sugar babies, you guys are willing to shell out 3 k / month or even more?

Why?

[QUOTE=DrPornDawger;5471011]These Sugar babies, you guys are willing to shell out 3 k / month or even more?

Why?[/QUOTE]So, I was not willing to shell out 3 k for her. I can't remember what she had to offer. I think she was talking about sending pics and videos at first and them moving towards more intimate arrangements. I politely declined the 3 k. She hit me up a few more times asking what I could offer, she wasn't that hot, so I just kept saying sorry, no way I could get close to her original number and didn't want to disappoint her with a low ball offer.