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New Scams from China. Beware
Gents,
I am seeing a new Scam scheme coming through China.
Please be on the lookout.
Here is one link, I see many in different cities, similar but usually with a picture of a pretty Chinese girl and with bad English.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5d93c3d6-b2c2-48db-b4a8-bc78732a305e[/URL]
Picture changes but the scam is the same.
The people running it act like an innocent young woman and really take time to groom you. She really likes you, falls in love, she is rich, she can't see you because she is in another city at the moment for important work. She is doing foreign exchange investments and making big bucks. She loves you. Eventually she wants you to share her wealth, wants you to invest in ForEx with an app called Meta Trader-5. The woman who loves you turns on you real quick when you keep saying "not until I meet you".
Another one is she is a novelist. After talking sexy stuff and what she likes and what you like, she asks you to vote for her to help her get to the American City that happens to be, if course, where you live. The catch. To vote, you have to buy membership at this novel site.
These links disappear very quickly. So, guys, beware.
It it looks to good to be true, it isn't. See below some pictures they use.
Education, Experience & Endurance
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5888316]Too much of this crap is happening on line: China, India, Russia, fat guys in their mother's basements, whatever! Finding UTRs, escorts and SBs on line has become like diamond mining. You need to plow through 100 tons of sludge in order to find a gem. Another reason I have decided to find my recreational tail either on street corners or recruiting my own SBs from scratch. At least I know they are real live breathing females with the added benefit that I get to scope them out in person begore deciding to sample the merchandise.[/QUOTE][I]{general comment - NOT an attack on OP or casting any dispersions.}[/I]
"This crap" only happens because dudes fall for it, and do so on such a LARGE scale that it is highly profitable. I have seen numerous guys get scammed because they are ignorant of [B]the first rule of online dating - NO MONEY UPFRONT![/B] Walking around with your bank account in your pocket or hand sure makes it easy for funds to flow out to a scam or whatever. Oh, I get it as I have been tempted and have lost funds when IRL girls wandered off with the money: instead of getting the room they disappear out the back entrance. So I get why so many guys end up learning "experientially" rather than from the foibles of others.
But hey, what I don't get is those that get so frustrated at what they say is a high level of "crap" on these sites. Oh sure there are plenty to be avoided, but with some experience I am able to avoid most of it and not waste time. I mean I looked at a "new" website the other day and quickly concluded from just a scan of the pics that 95% of the adverts were fake or out of the area scams. Just for giggles I opened a few and did my DD and sure enough that was true. All scams.
So I guess for me experience is the key to avoiding most of the "crap" out there. Oh I get it, see a lot of dudes who think escorts, SBs, hookers, etc ought to run things like a bidness and get upset when they don't. Some appear to think any and all adverts should be real and don't understand the necessity to learn to do due diligence. So yeah in the past I got upset over "this crap" but with time was able to recognize and avoid most of it, then patiently deal with the rest.
So now, I just realize there are few times when I can go online and instantly find an employee, rather am resigned to a long-game and continued contacts with the good ones. Everyone develops their own style and comfort zone and often it takes time to get there. Be patient with the process and have fun on the journey!
Recruiting SBs in the Wild
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5888582]Can you give us an idea of your techniques? I likely won't go this way, as I have a SO, and this seems a little too risky. However, there are postings on this periodically. I have also been told by POTs that they have had past arrangements that arose in just this way. When I am out and about in the world, I definitely see girls who I expect could be candidates to be SBs, but haven't ever tried them.[/QUOTE]Many others have PMed me with a similar question. I will try to respond as fully as I can in terms of why I recruit SBs in the wild and how I do it. This isn't for everyone, but I am convinced that most guys can get good at it, if they are motivated to do so.
First the why. I have always been as excited by the chase as much as enjoying the capture. I also tend to be a value buyer. If I can get almost the same quality for less, all the better. Therefore, I tend to stay away from the internet sites specifically made for SB or any other kind of sex advertising. These girls are already pros or at lease semi-pros in the sense that hey have identified themselves as available for sex for the right combination of money and intangibles. Also, the internet is now crowded with bogus and fake profiles, scammers etc. It is becoming increasingly difficult just to find the real deal and can be a completre waste of time. SWs are obviously mush easier to find, and at least you know that they are real, but the quality level tends to disappoint along with the attendant issues of drug addiction, pimps, LE stings and the like. From my point of view it is all a matter of degree: all these girls are hookers, whether high class and picky on a sugar site or ready-to-go on the street. They have made the decision to fuck for money. You can dress it up as pretty as you like, but a pig with lipstick is still a pig. I have nothing against hookers. I have enjoyed and continue to enjoy my fair share of street hookers. I indulge in them all across the range from high-class to low. Variety is truly the spice of life. However, my priorities have evolved to prefer girls who haven't committed that step yet mentally, but might with the right persuasion. I want true young amateurs that I can convince to part with pussy for money and charm. There is something about that challenge which appeals to me. I can probably analyze all the deep psychological rationale for this, but the bottom line is that I much like this approach more than any other.
Next the how. I must admit that I have no trouble starting a conversation with anyone I meet, from 3 to 93; I genuinely like people and find them fascinating and I think they see that and respond in kind. That certainly doesn't hurt in recruiting women to part with their goodies for cash. However, I was not born that way. As a youth I was incredibly shy. In high school I would never even think about approaching or talking to a girl. When I got into the business world I was very ambitious and wanted to succeed and I realized that to do this effective verbal communication was a must. I read and studied and practiced this. I even took courses and trainings in public speaking, which was the thing that scared me the most. With focused education and practice I got very good at it and even enjoyed it, much as anyone usually does when they study and master a skill. What you get to understand when applying this to recruiting non-pros to drop their panties for dough is that you need to totally focus on the person and respond to them. It is flirting, pure and simple, and it is not about you. Everyone likes sincere attention and flattery. You can tell what is working by carefully observing how they are reacting and reinforcing a positive connection with every sentence, especially with eye contact, tone of voice and body language. Communication is actually mostly non-verbal. That is why face to face is always better than in writing or on the phone. I could provide dozens of examples but they would all be different. But it is not some pat formula or words that you use.
I typically will recruit a girl on a first meeting. The timing varies of course. The longer I have to communicate, the better my odds of success. My batting average is about 500, so you need to prepare for failure as well as success and be able to exit from a failure gracefully, something like saying while smiling and lightly laughing: "You certainly can't blame a guy for being interested in a girl as pretty and charming as you. ".
So where does one go to look for young amateurs to drop their panties for the right sales pitch? The answer is: almost anywhere. I have recruited girls in libraries, grocery stores, shopping malls, sports events, restaurants, fast food joints and college cafeterias. I have also recruited girls on dating websites. The skills involved in recruiting girls in this fashion are pretty much the same as in a bar / meat market. But you are definitely playing out of your league for young pussy that is probably not available to you without including financial incentive (although very occasionally money is not even essential). It is certainly a lot easier to drive SW strolls, or search the internet for high-end to low-end sex advertisers. To recruit young women who have not taken their first step towards sex for money you need game, confidence, charm and persistence. You need to be fearless in the face of rejection. But IMHO the rewards are so worth it.
If you want easy pickings, recruit a stripper. They are easy to find and easy to recruit. After all, they are already taking off their clothes for you and spreading wide to show you the goods. It is a small step to after hour activities if they are so inclined. I usually propose 100-200 and the prospect of regular meets. 150 usually does the job and 200 almost always seals the deal. A few have required 300, but I have offered this only when they are super hot.
150 has also been my sweet spot for recruiting civvies. Sometimes I have gotten away with 100 and sometimes I have had to sweeten the pot to 200 to persuade one that was almost there. After small talk, and bringing up the SD idea, it is really the same type of conversation and negotiation that one has in a M&G from a sugar site.
You obviously want to be having a private conversation with civvies when making the transition from flirting to cash proposition. In the case of fast food, retail or grocery store cashiers or retail sales girls I usually flirt for a bit and then ask them to join me for a cup of coffee at their break, that I have something very important to ask them. You need to gauge when to ask based on the progress of the small talk. Each situation is different. Usually I base it on their financial situation. If they are a student, struggling financially, whatever, that is a perfect opportunity to broach the SB subject. I have done this in many different ways: one example would be: " I understand that it is very hard to make it these days. If there was an opportunity for you to make a lot more money than you are making here, would that be something you would be willing to explore?" Almost always that is a yes. "I don't want to insult you or be too bold, but you are extremely pretty. Have you ever thought about having a Sugar Daddy?" There are obviously many variations of this approach. If you do it right, even if they are not interested, they are flattered. Girls have egos too. I have never had a bad experience doing this. At best you recruited a SB. At worst you had a nice conversation with a pretty young girl. I defuse the refusals by saying something like: "Hey, I understand. It's not for you. But you are so beautiful. You can't blame a guy for trying. If you ever change your mind I would definitely be interested. ".
The above is merely a suggestion, a general pattern. The possibilities are limitless. You have to be able to improvise on the fly. Also key to remember is that your effectiveness depends less on the words that you use than it does on everything else: intonation, eye contact, facial expression, body language, mirroring, etc. That skill is an entire book. If you were bad at picking up girls in HS or college, you will have to learn that skill first before trying to do it when you are twice their age and operating at a higher level of difficulty. The money proposition is your big ace in the hole, but you need to start with some aces showing to make your hole card effective.
Age Difference and Recruiting SBs
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5889555]I am just responding to my own post instead of your weighty tome. The key question. You are saying you are twice the age of the girls you are approaching. So that means 40's? I am 60's.[/QUOTE]I have said before that I am more than twice their age. Late 50s to be exact. Average looking. And not exactly trim and slim. So we are definitely punching in the same weight class, so to speak.
[QUOTE] I definitely have enjoyed the 20's SBs I have had. It just seems less plausible to me that someone that age is going to be receptive to someone nearly triple their age coming on to them in public. This is one of the virtues of SA. There is self-selection of girls who know they want a much older guy, for whatever kinky reason. And they put that on their profiles in some cases. A few girls also put on their profiles 'not someone old enough be my grandpa' or put an age range that cuts off below my age. The number that do go with the 60+ option is impressive to me. And those girls know that they are very likely not going to be seen in public with the dude, so even if it is their kink, they want to get the itch scratched discreetly. I block those who have anything below 55, it just isn't a useful exercise for me otherwise.[/QUOTE]As you have admitted yourself, there are girls in their 20s who are available to SDs in their 60s. This is true on sugar sites. It is true in public as well. You just have to do a little work to find them. It isn't really that hard. Flirt with them. Some girls will make it very clear they don't even want to talk to you. Fine. They have eliminated themselves from consideration. Others will smile, meet your gaze, laugh, talk back to you and enjoy the banter. Girls are not like guys, as if we don't know that. Not all are age prejudiced. Most guys want younger girls. Most girls want older guys, sometimes even much older. They will respond to the right conversation and approach, especially sincere compliments and flattery. Some will even telegraph their interest. Then it is a very short walk to the SB conversation and you are on the downhill part of the trip. I had a sweet young thing just last night come bouncing by me at a club as Danza Kuduro (great song) was blasting from the DJs speakers and she started to hip bump me while laughing and gyrating to the music. The fish had jumped right into the boat. Do you think I threw it back? I didn't even have to bait the hook. LOL.
[QUOTE]For me, I literally count the days of my life, there's no point in doing something unless it is a great experience. I all about fucking the highest quality pussy I can get / afford. Sometimes I pay a good price, I have posted recently about my top sugar date. I must say the last 4 years in the bowl I have been having the very very best sex of my life, the best memories to take to the grave. I encourage everyone to get out there and give it a go, you would be amazed what is possible.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! Live life to the fullest. If the bowl is your thing, great. If you broaden that to finding SBs in the wild, what do you have to lose? Like you said yourself: "...go out there and give it a go. You would be amazed what is possible."
