"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I think it may be a carryover from the WYP site where men pay for just a date. I can observe that seeking does not ban women for using it. I have also experienced women who are using it to mean they get paid at the MnG. They are often or sometimes using it to mean they get paid for meeting nothing more.

BAM.

[QUOTE=Happtrav;5858473]I am looking for advice on this issue:

Lately on Seeking, I have had woman boldly reply: 500 ppm (no other Conversation).

Or I am looking for ppm.

No matter how PHAT the woman is, I block them and move on.

Seeking will not think twice about banning you. They are the judge, jury and executioner.

How would you handle a woman suggesting ppm?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BobLobLa;5859301]I report them before they report me for rejecting them or offering any kind of reply / advice.[/QUOTE]Just be careful. You can just block, instead of report. If you do the latter, you'll get some pinhead at SA looking at your profile, and they might not like what they see, even though it has been there for years / months. I got banned on one profile for having a photo not of me in this way, and there is really no way to recover this account (practically).

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3939986]I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.[/QUOTE]Hey Z,

Does this process still work, or did SA fix the loophole? Is there a new procedure for getting access to messages without upgrading? I've been off SA for a while, and have racked up some messages from contacts that I'd love to see without paying the new, higher, fees.

Thanks for your time and efforts.

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;5861699]Hey Z,

Does this process still work, or did SA fix the loophole? Is there a new procedure for getting access to messages without upgrading? I've been off SA for a while, and have racked up some messages from contacts that I'd love to see without paying the new, higher, fees.

Thanks for your time and efforts.

Scott.[/QUOTE]Scott! Welcome back. Long time gone!!

Nope, this loophole was done before COVID. No workarounds that IK of.

[QUOTE=FScott;5861699]Hey Z,

Does this process still work, or did SA fix the loophole? Is there a new procedure for getting access to messages without upgrading? I've been off SA for a while, and have racked up some messages from contacts that I'd love to see without paying the new, higher, fees.

Thanks for your time and efforts.

Scott.[/QUOTE]No, it does not work anymore and have not seen another way in.

[QUOTE=FScott;5861699]Hey Z,

Does this process still work, or did SA fix the loophole? Is there a new procedure for getting access to messages without upgrading? I've been off SA for a while, and have racked up some messages from contacts that I'd love to see without paying the new, higher, fees.

Thanks for your time and efforts.

Scott.[/QUOTE]No, their developers unfortunately wised up a while back and stopped sending back all the message contents.

The one thing I can say is that it's possible to dig into the tools they're using to show the UI contents in the browser (React and Redux) and extract some more detailed info on user profiles and messages than what gets shown on screen, like the time that a message was actually viewed. I wrote a little browser "userscript" addon that adds an "Export Profile" button to a page that grabs the user profile data and lets me save it to a file, and another script that downloads profile pics if I want to save them. But, the really juicy info of message contents when you're not premium is no longer in there.

Hey all,

Thanks for the quick replies! Sorry there is no longer a free way to see those messages. Guess I'll just have to bite the bullet.

Cheers,

Scott.

P.S. Far Far, good to see you're still active. Tally ho!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5856321]As I said, I have a SO, it isn't prudent for me to be 'out there' so much -- someone could be just exactly the person I don't want to approach.

In my view, those who are married should not take the risk of finding SBs on the hoof.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with one caveat. When I was married I would only do my SB hunting far from home. Now I do it anywhere I please. I like my GF but I can always get another one without giving my present GF half my stuff. LOL.

[QUOTE]Yourself, somehow you got identified IRL by a SB. This failure of opsec is absolutely unacceptable for the married men on SA. I hear that around 40% of men on the site are married, IDK what proportion put that on their profiles. I do.[/QUOTE]You misread my post. I was threatened to be outed to my GF and my family not by a SB (none of whom know anything personally about me), but rather by a horny housewife I was seeing on the side for free. When a woman with whom you have bumped-uglies knows your identity, you are at her mercy if you piss her off.

[QUOTE]I have been in the bowl for 4+ years, and have had 3 long term (6+ months) arrangements, and I have never been found out.[/QUOTE]I have been mongering for many years: SWs, UTRs, SBs. I used to count them but it now numbers in the hundreds. I have never had an outing problem with anyone I paid. It's the free tail who knew my name that almost bit me on the ass. If you are married, I believe that paying for it is far less risky than having some "for free" on the side. The old maxim applies that the tail you get "for free" can wind up being the most expensive tail ever. That includes being married and getting caught cheating when married.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;5861963]The one thing I can say is that it's possible to dig into the tools they're using to show the UI contents in the browser (React and Redux) and extract some more detailed info on user profiles and messages than what gets shown on screen, like the time that a message was actually viewed. I wrote a little browser "userscript" addon that adds an "Export Profile" button to a page that grabs the user profile data and lets me save it to a file, and another script that downloads profile pics if I want to save them. But, the really juicy info of message contents when you're not premium is no longer in there.[/QUOTE]I'm sure this means something to somebody, but to me it's Martian! Thank you, Z, for replying in any case. It was fun while it lasted.

Happy hunting all!

Scott.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5862597]I totally agree with one caveat. When I was married I would only do my SB hunting far from home. Now I do it anywhere I please. I like my GF but I can always get another one without giving my present GF half my stuff. LOL.

You misread my post. I was threatened to be outed to my GF and my family not by a SB (none of whom know anything personally about me), but rather by a horny housewife I was seeing on the side for free. When a woman with whom you have bumped-uglies knows your identity, you are at her mercy if you piss her off.

I have been mongering for many years: SWs, UTRs, SBs. I used to count them but it now numbers in the hundreds. I have never had an outing problem with anyone I paid. It's the free tail who knew my name that almost bit me on the ass. If you are married, I believe that paying for it is far less risky than having some "for free" on the side. The old maxim applies that the tail you get "for free" can wind up being the most expensive tail ever. That includes being married and getting caught cheating when married.[/QUOTE]OK, I got it now, sorry for that. I agree that there is a greater risk w / an affair than someone who you are compensating. It's the price we pay for anonymity. I think it was Charlie Sheen who said that he didn't pay the escorts to come have sex w / him, he paid them to leave after. LOL.

There was a long-time major poster on this board, JZLizard, and he had the same idea. There is a cost for any pussy you can wrangle. If it isn't literally in $, it will be in something else, sometimes that would be way way more expensive to you than what you could have done w / a simple transaction. For this reason, I would be skeptical about a true freebie from the sugar bowl. I would always want to be giving them something, even a token amount. That puts them on their heels, regarding not wanting the relationship to be disclosed because of the image of getting paid for it.

I have a good friend I met on this board, he rarely posts. He is 40's, he had a 3+ year relationship w / a 20's college student, and after a year she found out all of his private life. And he was only rarely giving her $. It sounds like a dream and in some ways it was. She was a special person and he never feared her outing him. I would call their relationship an affair. However, she had life goals he wasn't prepared to undertake (he had his kids w / his wife) so they eventually parted. HE was surprised and hurt when she pretty quickly got a BF, got engaged, and recently got married, w / the idea to have her kids. I honestly can say he is suffering.

However, this guy has game, and he has a new GF who is very similar to the old arrangement.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5863132]There was a long-time major poster on this board, JZLizard, and he had the same idea. There is a cost for any pussy you can wrangle. If it isn't literally in $, it will be in something else, sometimes that would be way way more expensive to you than what you could have done w / a simple transaction. [/QUOTE]I have paid hundreds of girls for a good time, but the costliest pussy I ever had was when I got married. Thankfully that is no longer the case and will never be the case again. It is one thing to have a woman angry with you, and quite another to have that same woman have a legal standing to entitle her to a share of your income and assets. Marriage is a cultural and legal tradition I should have been warned in capital letters as a teenager to avoid like the plague.

[QUOTE]I have a good friend I met on this board, he rarely posts. He is 40's, he had a 3+ year relationship w / a 20's college student, and after a year she found out all of his private life. And he was only rarely giving her $. It sounds like a dream and in some ways it was. She was a special person and he never feared her outing him. I would call their relationship an affair. However, she had life goals he wasn't prepared to undertake (he had his kids w / his wife) so they eventually parted. HE was surprised and hurt when she pretty quickly got a BF, got engaged, and recently got married, w / the idea to have her kids. I honestly can say he is suffering.

However, this guy has game, and he has a new GF who is very similar to the old arrangement.[/QUOTE]It is possible to have strong emotional feelings for a SB. (not "love" because that is just a fairy tale perpetuated by females). When you are jilted in such a relationship you are hurt. What you should quickly realize is that there are plenty of fish in the sea. There is no such thing as the one and only "soulmate" for you, whether as a GF, or married or a UTR / SB. We all have the capacity to move on. Not because we are cold, calculating male SOBs, but because there are hundreds of possible great sexual (and, yes, emotional) partners out there for us and we owe it to ourselves to belly up to the smorgasbord and sample the vast variety of sumptuous possibilities.

I have an avid interest in human evolution. Males who passed on their genes for more than 7 million years now were not wallflowers. We have an intense genetic predisposition to pork everything we can. My contention is: why fight it?

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;5861963]No, their developers unfortunately wised up a while back and stopped sending back all the message contents.

The one thing I can say is that it's possible to dig into the tools they're using to show the UI contents in the browser (React and Redux) and extract some more detailed info on user profiles and messages than what gets shown on screen, like the time that a message was actually viewed. I wrote a little browser "userscript" addon that adds an "Export Profile" button to a page that grabs the user profile data and lets me save it to a file, and another script that downloads profile pics if I want to save them. But, the really juicy info of message contents when you're not premium is no longer in there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FScott;5863096]I'm sure this means something to somebody, but to me it's Martian! Thank you, Z, for replying in any case. It was fun while it lasted.

Happy hunting all!

Scott.[/QUOTE]It means plenty to me. Zcochran00, if you ever want to share the source code on your userscript, I'd love to collaborate or take a look.

[QUOTE=Jwlgn309;5689781][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f3056826-2fb0-49f1-b3b4-74251a8e45cb[/URL]

Met her recently, photos are accurate. She's tiny (maybe 100 lbs. At most), good body, age-appropriate figure, can hold a good conversation. CFS, BBBJ, pretty game for anything, attentive and patient, a real sweetheart all around. Would repeat for sure. If you're looking for an older woman (40+), she's the one. Please treat her well![/QUOTE]Chatted with her.

Oh boy does she have an attitude, she's not 40+ but is over 50.

I wished her good luck on her search.

It isn't just hair that is turning golden, LOL.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5856792]I have a standard sentence I send to anyone w / an age listed 20 or under:

Also, I would like your assurances that you are at least 18. I can't judge age at all anymore, I am sure you understand.

This isn't legally immunizing of course, but it puts the issue out there. In response, I have had girls offer to show me their Id when we meet, and a few have even sent me a photo of their Id. This is great if you can get their real name, that gives you a lot of back-up leverage in case something goes wrong later.

Just to be clear on this, in some jurisdictions, it might be a crime to merely discuss electronically w / someone who is not of legal age sexual activity. You definitely don't want to be taking any gambles on this. Just another reason to be very careful about what you do in messaging on the seeking site. Once you get them to text, things can loosen up.[/QUOTE]Very good advise. Unfortunately many underage girls have fake IDs. I think they tend to be non Virginia ones as VirginiaDMV has done a good job on making a secure license with the hologram on it and all. I have verified more than one, just ask them to put their finger over their name & address if they like. I'm interested in the pic & DOB.

As someone that has gone the SB route exclusively, I especially need to be careful as my pension for 18-22 y o coeds is my kryptonite. I do a good job of hiding my true identity, but they can almost never host, so I'm seeing them in a decent hotel. All they need is the date & room number & you are toast.

If Mom or Dad get wind that there precious Princess is sport ducking for dollars, she'll sing like JLO! I believe it's a crime if they send you nudes, not knowing they were underage isn't a defense. Be smart, think with the big head!

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;5865677] I think they tend to be non Virginia ones as VirginiaDMV has done a good job on making a secure license with the hologram on it and all. I have verified more than one, just ask them to put their finger over their name & address if they like. I'm interested in the pic & DOB.[/QUOTE]Underage is a big no-no and age verification is a must. VA has a hologram on drivers licenses and so does PA, CT, MA and IL. Since these are the states where I monger the most, it is easy to verify age because it is almost impossible for one of these girls to get a fake I D with a hologram.

You definitely and obviously NEVER want to have an underage problem!