"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5856265]I apologize for not catching the "flirt first" comment. But has this actually worked for you?[/QUOTE]As I said, I have a SO, it isn't prudent for me to be 'out there' so much -- someone could be just exactly the person I don't want to approach.

In my view, those who are married should not take the risk of finding SBs on the hoof.

Yourself, somehow you got identified IRL by a SB. This failure of opsec is absolutely unacceptable for the married men on SA. I hear that around 40% of men on the site are married, IDK what proportion put that on their profiles. I do.

I have been in the bowl for 4+ years, and have had 3 long term (6+ months) arrangements, and I have never been found out.

Anyone have any luck with her? I'm scheduled to meet up with soon but the process seemed too easy compared to others on the site. Figured I'd ask on here since a handful of us have probably already met up with her.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/332b2426-a4c5-48d5-b897-cd93fd378a3b[/URL]

[QUOTE=WaterBoi;5856330]Anyone have any luck with her? I'm scheduled to meet up with soon but the process seemed too easy compared to others on the site. Figured I'd ask on here since a handful of us have probably already met up with her.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/332b2426-a4c5-48d5-b897-cd93fd378a3b[/URL][/QUOTE]You say "too easy" like it's a bad thing. I don't have hours of my life to sit and talk about these girls hobbies and no chick wants to hear about my golf game, no matter how much she pretends to care. We all know why the girls are really there.

[QUOTE=WaterBoi;5856330]Anyone have any luck with her? I'm scheduled to meet up with soon but the process seemed too easy compared to others on the site. Figured I'd ask on here since a handful of us have probably already met up with her.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/332b2426-a4c5-48d5-b897-cd93fd378a3b[/URL][/QUOTE]For some reason that profile has my spidey senses going off. Looks very, very young. How do you guys broach the subject of verifying their age.

[QUOTE=SBmidlo;5856780]For some reason that profile has my spidey senses going off. Looks very, very young. How do you guys broach the subject of verifying their age.[/QUOTE]I have a standard sentence I send to anyone w / an age listed 20 or under:

Also, I would like your assurances that you are at least 18. I can't judge age at all anymore, I am sure you understand.

This isn't legally immunizing of course, but it puts the issue out there. In response, I have had girls offer to show me their Id when we meet, and a few have even sent me a photo of their Id. This is great if you can get their real name, that gives you a lot of back-up leverage in case something goes wrong later.

Just to be clear on this, in some jurisdictions, it might be a crime to merely discuss electronically w / someone who is not of legal age sexual activity. You definitely don't want to be taking any gambles on this. Just another reason to be very careful about what you do in messaging on the seeking site. Once you get them to text, things can loosen up.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5856321]I have been in the bowl for 4+ years, and have had 3 long term (6+ months) arrangements, and I have never been found out.[/QUOTE]In addition, I know the real identities of all the girls I had ongoing arrangements with. I got these from 1) having their vehicle license plates run ($40 on a website), 2) having them get the hotel room for FC, with me reimbursing them, and coming into a room w / her name on the TV, 3) other concerted web digging. I have had little luck finding them based on social media. But this is likely to be different in different parts of the country with different demographics. I haven't had a great deal of luck w / college students. Most of my SBs have been workers.

Hi guys,

I took a $89 hit trying the SecretBenefits website. This is a complete and total scam. Don't even. They have tons of profiles from local women and all look authentic, right down to the "verified" video clips. I don't know how they do that, and you will get tons of "messages" which basically cost about $5 in tokens to open. If you respond there will be no answer, and after a day or two the profile, messages, etc will completely disappear from your listing. I think they steal profile info from other sites. It's a slick operation and they just take your money and run. Sad to say but Seeking is about the only sugar dating site that is more or less legit (although many of the girls are not as we know) Spread the word. Don't let these bastards steal from us.

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;5857686]Hi guys,

I took a $89 hit trying the SecretBenefits website. This is a complete and total scam. Don't even. They have tons of profiles from local women and all look authentic, right down to the "verified" video clips. I don't know how they do that, and you will get tons of "messages" which basically cost about $5 in tokens to open. If you respond there will be no answer, and after a day or two the profile, messages, etc will completely disappear from your listing. I think they steal profile info from other sites. It's a slick operation and they just take your money and run. Sad to say but Seeking is about the only sugar dating site that is more or less legit (although many of the girls are not as we know) Spread the word. Don't let these bastards steal from us.[/QUOTE]I bought a bunch of tokens and would go on an off of there for a year or so. Had face-to-face meetings (usually lunch) with 4 women, ended up hooking up with 3 of them. So, 3 successes in a year. I still see one of them. Tons of scams on there though, you're right.

I would be cautious about relying on I'd alone to check someone's age. In my experience, almost every kid from 18-21 has a fake ID or DL, with a real picture of themselves, showing them over 21. I used to confiscate them by the dozens. The kids just go buy a new one. If you get a first and last name and cannot trace it to local social media, there is a very high probability it is a fake. There are some SB's who have even created fake SM to make themselves look more credible. In my case, I just avoid anyone under 20 and not living away from their parents or something similar. If they live at home and look young, I am not taking the risk.

BAM.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5856792]I have a standard sentence I send to anyone w / an age listed 20 or under:

Also, I would like your assurances that you are at least 18. I can't judge age at all anymore, I am sure you understand.

This isn't legally immunizing of course, but it puts the issue out there. In response, I have had girls offer to show me their Id when we meet, and a few have even sent me a photo of their Id. This is great if you can get their real name, that gives you a lot of back-up leverage in case something goes wrong later.

Just to be clear on this, in some jurisdictions, it might be a crime to merely discuss electronically w / someone who is not of legal age sexual activity. You definitely don't want to be taking any gambles on this. Just another reason to be very careful about what you do in messaging on the seeking site. Once you get them to text, things can loosen up.[/QUOTE]

There is another site by this name. I don't recall how I learned of it. I set up a profile. Their monthly charge is $50. I attempted to use my usual pre-paid to get the membership, it didn't work. I would be willing to TOFTT for 50 to find out if there are any reasons to be on there. I won't use a personal credit card of course. Anyone have any success paying for this site? I asked their customer service, useless as usual.

It is interesting that even though SA raised their price, they are discounting much of the time. For special occasions, and then it seems like when I reactivate my profile (I keep it deactivated when I am not paid up, to keep the inbox empty and saving everyone time).

I am looking for advice on this issue:

Lately on Seeking, I have had woman boldly reply: 500 ppm (no other Conversation).

Or I am looking for ppm.

No matter how PHAT the woman is, I block them and move on.

Seeking will not think twice about banning you. They are the judge, jury and executioner.

How would you handle a woman suggesting ppm?

[QUOTE=Happtrav;5858473]I am looking for advice on this issue:

Lately on Seeking, I have had woman boldly reply: 500 ppm (no other Conversation).

Or I am looking for ppm.

No matter how PHAT the woman is, I block them and move on.

Seeking will not think twice about banning you. They are the judge, jury and executioner.

How would you handle a woman suggesting ppm?[/QUOTE]Your way is one valid one. If I have had an interaction w / a girl and then she springs the "ppm" question, I have a standard paragraph I cut and paste. Something about how you can't discuss $ on the site, you can get banned, IK people it has happened to. And the site is re-branding, so it isn't as free about such things as it used to be. However, it overall isn't a good sign for the sort of girl I personally am looking for. Definitely not a pro and someone I can see ongoing. I attempt to reassure them that of course we all understand that you don't want to get into a situation where you are trusting someone to do something when you don't really know them.

[QUOTE=Happtrav;5858473]I am looking for advice on this issue:

Lately on Seeking, I have had woman boldly reply: 500 ppm (no other Conversation).

Or I am looking for ppm.

No matter how PHAT the woman is, I block them and move on.

Seeking will not think twice about banning you. They are the judge, jury and executioner.

How would you handle a woman suggesting ppm?[/QUOTE]Ask her to move the conversation off line before you say anything further.

Meet a 19th and 24 years old last week who use "I'm looking for ppm". Just ask them to move to text. End up BBFS both of them so I would say that real girls are using that line now. Just not sure where they got it.

[QUOTE=Happtrav;5858473]I am looking for advice on this issue:

Lately on Seeking, I have had woman boldly reply: 500 ppm (no other Conversation).

Or I am looking for ppm.

No matter how PHAT the woman is, I block them and move on.

Seeking will not think twice about banning you. They are the judge, jury and executioner.

How would you handle a woman suggesting ppm?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Happtrav;5858473]I am looking for advice on this issue:

Lately on Seeking, I have had woman boldly reply: 500 ppm (no other Conversation).

Or I am looking for ppm.

No matter how PHAT the woman is, I block them and move on.

Seeking will not think twice about banning you. They are the judge, jury and executioner.

How would you handle a woman suggesting ppm?[/QUOTE]I report them before they report me for rejecting them or offering any kind of reply / advice.