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Some honest reflection. When you all went to bars, athletic events, social gathering places and saw a hot girl who you scored with, how many of you had sx and bbacked each other? When you got into the hobby and "we all know that these ladies the good ones anyway" remind us that they are tested regularly, so how many have popped on each other in the "heat of the moment" because you are quality women and men with wonderful reputations? As many will tell you they are careful and wear raincoats but raincoats aren't 100 percent safe nor are pills, shot, and other devices. Wondering how many guys / ladies have been with "before us" what do you think our chances are of getting the evil disease, pick anyone? How many well-known ladies on this site and the others are KNOWN to ride the tube? Quite a few of you read between the lines or have talked with guys who have done so because the lady loved it and the guy wasn't getting it that way at home, in the public domain, but loved the feel. All from quality ladies of course and experienced by quality men. Pointing fingers that likes to "ride" through a hurricane in his birthday suit is like pzzing into the wind. He may be stupid and ask for it openly and the woman for the most part aren't going to publically admit doing it but that doesn't mean it doesn't or isn't happening. Not talking about SW's. Different ball game. But BP's, USASG's, Indy E's, NRvs, have high quality ladies who have one or two that they are pinning their ears back and riding like there is no tomorrow. If we are all tested and clean, the point is? Whether you do or don't is your own choice. Some people just don't like to beat around the Bush. We all have had numbers in or out of the hobby so how do you know which ones do or don't and the important question, how many has each one done that way regardless of how they have done it? It is all a matter of choice on each side. Back to my corner of the world with my slice of heaven by mutual consent. Enjoy the ride!

[QUOTE=BB Daddy;1523613](Let's stop for a moment and have) Some honest reflection.[/QUOTE]Okay. Let's start here: in forty-five years of being as sexually profligate as I was allowed to be, I never had a test come back anything other than Clean. That may have been partly due to luck in my youth-although I never stumbled down a dark alley I hadn't already seen in daylight-but in thirty-five years of hobbying it's probably due to one thing: the fact that condoms work. One-hundred percent of the time with muscosal diseases (AIDS, gonorrhea, chlamydia) and 100% of the time with ulcerative diseases (syphilis, genital herpes or warts) when lesions are covered by the condom. The risk with ulcerative diseases is contact with a lesion that isn't covered, which is why I also use this little pneumonic device: Don't Fuck Anyone With Open Sores on their Junk.

Those are pretty good odds, and mine is a pretty good record; I'll put it up against magical thinking and the unlettered spread of paranoia any day.

Let's reflect on this: a lot of us know what we're doing, understand and assess the risks in the cold light of day, and have managed to do so for a long time without your input. And there's plenty of unwelcome paranoia in these parts to go 'round, without convincing anyone that Loki the Trickster God is going to give 'them cooties through an impermeable membrane.

[url]http://www.publiceye.org/ark/reproductive-justice/articles/condoms-do-not-prevent-hpv.php[/url] Google CDC reports on how safe condoms are. Due to slippage poor storage, incorrect temperatures, they are NOT 100 percent safe. NOTHING is but abstinence. The spread of herpes even with the use of dental damns is not 100 percent safe, Again nothing is. This is not Loki ism or smoke and mirrors. I said the more partners you have covered or not, like anything else the more chances you create to get something regardless of how safe your actions are conducted. You were indeed fortunate to be safe all this years just as the ladies are and men who see them are. Whether you are in the hobby or in civilian life, numbers are the key along with contraceptives, shots, pills, etc. Not trying to convince anyone. If people are tested a good thing. You apparently were. Chalmydia, syphyllis, gon sp? Are all curable with meds in shot periods of time. HIV and aids are not but mainly passed on by transmission of fluids and drug use with bad needles or by hospitals with bad blood screens. Variations of HPV are not curable but have shots and meds to control it. It is a crap shoot in this venue and in the outside world venue. Always has been always will be. Testing is a control method but even it is not 100 percent safe. Nothing is. It then becomes a matter of choice. I have been in this not as long as you 25 years chosen my partners well, in both venues, tested regularly and never come up with anything but have had my doctor and many nurses at testing clinics say to me be careful but if you must play without covers chose your partners well but, also will tell you that the biggest part of stds now have 7 to 14 day cures and retesting recommended. It is a choice for everyone but scare tactics are not needed. As a nurse once said to me, if the lady looks like a user or like sh*t avoid her at all costs. If she takes care of her body and personal areas when you go to play, look then decide. That is what most of us who care about who we do our thing with do anyway, in this or outside of this. Women and men can tell each other anything to get what they want. Use your vision and the term "spidey senses". Just my opinion and no means to create paranoia. Numbers of partners vs supply and demand in both venues is the crux at least for me.

To the CDC, Hep B, HIV, HPV, Herpes although three are controlable with regular medication and ongoing tests on HIV are producing some medicines that have elongated the life of those with it. Nothing is 100 percent safe in stopping them so active people in our out of the hobby should be tested if they show symptoms or signs of Chlamydia, gonnerhea, tric, syphillis and some of the others that are curable when contracted. If you are not sure what to take or symptoms, use the following link.

[url]http://std.about.com/od/treatment/f/chlatreatfaq.htm[/url] Or google a disease you want information on and symptoms and med regiments are given along with signs of. Most major cities have free clinics who will guard your identification and provide free meds to you if you go to them. Sit and talk with them and seek advice. Have I done this before, hell yes. In this hobby or outside of the hobby with the number of people doing bareback sex, oral sex, anal sex, you should be well-informed. Why I offer ladies inspection rights on my package and the top ones will reciprocate. Beal is a wise man to be safe but he is also truthful would bet he has dug a few wells in his years with ladies he came to know and had trust in their play activities. The number of ladies of quality and men of the same who do are probably more than we would care to admit. Does it make it right, nope but it is a choice both genders are faced with making. As they said on my favorite cop show, be careful out there and watch your backs. Have a great weekend and nice post BB and PT Man. Both realistic and both informative.

A couple years ago I spent some time with Courney31 and had a blast. I would like to do it again, but cannot find any contact info for her. I have seen her on NR recently but the email address isn't working- it gets bounced back to me.

If anyone has her current contact info I would greatly appreciate it. Please pm me.

Thanks!

She tells me about it also and it gets me HOT! Hey don't take it personally but I love stories and providers like telling me stories. So I ask, and well some of you guys are great stories, but some of you guys are pretty bad. From the stories providers have told me I even know how some of you grunt during the big "O". Hey don't feel violated if I may have even watched you from a closet! Of course this costs me more than what you paid, but it's worth it. Live Indy sex shows viewed by a freak!

Now I know why every time I see you you smile at me and make these piggy grunting noises that sounds like two sucklings being skinned alive. I thought I recognized those sounds somehow. You are just mimicking my special noises I make when my face goes all scrunched, wait you jerk, you have made those faces at me too while I was getting table dances. All this time I thought you my friend and in reality you were making fun of me and light of my physical eccentricities. And now I also know why you no longer ask for pictures or videos of my escapades, it is because it is you I hear thumping in the closet while I am at play, you have seen the event live and no longer have to titillate your darkness with captured images. And that is the last time I am falling for it when I hear those rhythmic noises emanating from under the closet doors, and she tell me not to worry, that she just put the cat in the closet for my own protection and he likes to lick himself a lot. Hell, wait a minute, she doesn't even own a damn cat. I bet I am not the only guy that is going to start checking closets and behind shower curtains from now on before he goes into action.

[QUOTE=BB Daddy;1524237]It is a crap shoot in this venue and in the outside world venue. Always has been always will be.[/QUOTE]That this is a venue, as you will occasionally be reminded, sometimes by the administrators,"for helping men find women for sex". As such it is viewed by all sorts of people, some who participate, many who do not, some experienced, some new, some dedicated to throwing us in jail and making our words and thoughts illegal.

As such, don't try to tell me that gratuitous references to barebacking and STDs do not spread paranoia. Maybe it's not your intention. But it does precisely what the anti-sex forces try to do: connect sexual activity with death, disease, and enslavement in the popular imagination. Only they've been savvy enough, in the modern era, to recognize that the outside world enjoys sex just as much as the sex trade does, and focus their PR campaigns away from the You're All going to Die mass hysteria and towards phony and effective claims of large-scale child exploitation.

So let's note that, as a community, those of us in the "escort" game practice safe sex at a much higher percentage than the "outside world". That a much higher percentage of us know, and dispassionately assess, the risks. It's not that we've never heard of a broken condom, but because we recognize condoms as the best possible alternative available. And because we take these matters seriously, much more seriously, and intelligently, than the world at large, and certainly more seriously than the anti-sex forces. You know, the people who believe AIDS is a visitation from an angry God, and who secretly (or not so secretly) wish we'd all die in unspeakable agonies so they could be proved right.

Maybe you haven't been around here long enough to realize that the last time barebacking became a topic of conversation, under unfortunately real, not theoretical, circumstances, there was a large-scale condemnation. Yeah, that's easy enough to do online. But the point is that this is not a community of out-of-control, brain-dead morons who slept through high school hygiene class, and the greedy women who let them do anything for money. Is it good to remind people to protect themselves, and to inform them of risk? Yes (but it's best not to insult their intelligence when doing so). Are there people out there on both sides who behave irresponsibly? Yes, but the vast majority do not, and in fact take safety far more seriously than the average Joe. Has there been some VD pandemic traced to the Indianapolis escort community that warrants singling us out? No. That's just more fodder for the paranoids and those who would encourage them. Post your warnings to Altar Boy Weekly next time.

One ringing the bells and blowing the whistles. This site has servers in two foreign countries where this is legal. Yes Uncle watches this no doubt. But your pandemic out burst is laughable at best. Men do what they want to do and women do what they want to do. As one of your senior members has pointed out with far more longevity in this than I, it is far more prevalent than people think and more women do it than imagined but aren't going to publicly state so on this venue for fear of retribution. As for me, I am more in the other world hobby and chose my play mates from Pcr games, sports bars, social gathers etc, not from the streets, back alleys and car dates of the local SW's. I have fked my way through about 50 or more ladies in the last ten years with NO outbreaks the last one being the lady at a local sports event. We are still going at it and obviously won't be coming back to fright city here until the thrill is gone. Let me say neither of us has had any "issues" in the last year or so or daddy would have let her know since he is picking his crop on the side also and they both occasionally even do each other. I read with interest and varified with my brother who is a physician the CDC links that were posted and even he says although doesn't recommend that except for HIV, Hep B, HPV, and one other I forget, that all others are curable even the great syph that everyone is still so afraid of. Now I wouldn't want to get it myself but as I said in my post you responded to and it has been said on here so many times, it is a crap shoot. You don't know how many guys they have been with, where they came from, and they don't know how many ladies we have been with and where they came from. Testing is a good thing and those who play often with muliple "friends" are well advised to doing the same. Now father Beall if you will put away your pulpit and give those of us with intelligence, hobby and book, put your senior membership away as your badge of authority and all knowing wisdom, let all who want to play whatever way they choose to do so and those who don't subscribe to YOUR standards the courtesy of doing so and we will extend the same courtesy to you and anyone else. We all know there are men on here that see both providers and SW's who are glorified and admired for their abilities to chase down and secure some "of the finest p&ssy in the tri state area without receiving your badge of approval nor your curt and sharp discourse of moral disapproval. Save it for someone else because it doesn't fly with me and doubt it would with them It is what works for each person WITH or WITHOUT your approval. Have a great day.

I wanted to see if anyone had any info on this provider. I am in the process I setting up a meeting. There seems to be a little on here about her but not much. She advertises on BP and NR and possibly other places. If anyone has anything they can tell me about their experience I would appreciate it.

In your haste to soothe your bruised ego by chastizing Beall for what, you percieve, to be uppity responses. You are completely missing the crux of his very valid point.

While I do agree with you, as Beall did, that yes. Things happen. Pointing them out so blatently on a site such as this is indeed very detrimental to not only the hobby but whole of the sex industry / workers. Hobbyists / providers / porn stars etc have enough B. S. Flying at them from the MORAL MAJORITY without people such as yourself fueling the fire and making posts as your original one.

This industry is by far and away more safe than the civilian world will ever be. However, just try to convince that to right-wing religious zealots who are the main people behind the war on ALL of our vices. Most importantly our sex lives and how we choose to live them.

There are many very vocal advocates for the sex industry and much more very vocal ANTI-SEX advocates and they play dirty. Like coming to every "men looking for women for sex" forum available and finding quotables (your post was prime) that are perfect for articles, papers, lobbying for anti-sex bills etc. That is the point Beall, I believe was trying to make.

Just because someone's manner of speech ruffles your tailfeathers don't let it blind you to valid and important points.

Pie xo.

[QUOTE=BB Daddy;1525147]One ringing the bells and blowing the whistles. This site has servers in two foreign countries where this is legal. Yes Uncle watches this no doubt. But your pandemic out burst is laughable at best. Men do what they want to do and women do what they want to do. As one of your senior members has pointed out with far more longevity in this than I, it is far more prevalent than people think and more women do it than imagined but aren't going to publicly state so on this venue for fear of retribution. As for me, I am more in the other world hobby and chose my play mates from Pcr games, sports bars, social gathers etc, not from the streets, back alleys and car dates of the local SW's. I have fked my way through about 50 or more ladies in the last ten years with NO outbreaks the last one being the lady at a local sports event. We are still going at it and obviously won't be coming back to fright city here until the thrill is gone. Let me say neither of us has had any "issues" in the last year or so or daddy would have let her know since he is picking his crop on the side also and they both occasionally even do each other. I read with interest and varified with my brother who is a physician the CDC links that were posted and even he says although doesn't recommend that except for HIV, Hep B, HPV, and one other I forget, that all others are curable even the great syph that everyone is still so afraid of. Now I wouldn't want to get it myself but as I said in my post you responded to and it has been said on here so many times, it is a crap shoot. You don't know how many guys they have been with, where they came from, and they don't know how many ladies we have been with and where they came from. Testing is a good thing and those who play often with muliple "friends" are well advised to doing the same. Now father Beall if you will put away your pulpit and give those of us with intelligence, hobby and book, put your senior membership away as your badge of authority and all knowing wisdom, let all who want to play whatever way they choose to do so and those who don't subscribe to YOUR standards the courtesy of doing so and we will extend the same courtesy to you and anyone else. We all know there are men on here that see both providers and SW's who are glorified and admired for their abilities to chase down and secure some "of the finest p&ssy in the tri state area without receiving your badge of approval nor your curt and sharp discourse of moral disapproval. Save it for someone else because it doesn't fly with me and doubt it would with them It is what works for each person WITH or WITHOUT your approval. Have a great day.[/QUOTE]

Mr. Mack does come with references and is a very nice man who communicates well and is respectful. While my menu does not accomodate what he has in mind, I certainly would have no problem giving him the time of day if I were a different type of person.

I think this is one of the rudest posts ever and frankly you're a jerk off. Trying to downgrade Mr. Mack for his way of hobbying and pointing and laughing is ridiculous. This board should be renamed "School For Retarded Wayward Boys".

Have fun in your jungle playing Lord Of The Flies, dipshit.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1522916]This board is a funny place. I have heard all about how "full some dance cards are and some mongers don't like it", from some providers and they are like "Are these guys real or what?"

She tells me about it also and it gets me HOT! Hey don't take it personally but I love stories and providers like telling me stories. So I ask, and well some of you guys are great stories, but some of you guys are pretty bad. From the stories providers have told me I even know how some of you grunt during the big "O". Hey don't feel violated if I may have even watched you from a closet! Of course this costs me more than what you paid, but it's worth it. Live Indy sex shows viewed by a freak!

Well most of the providers know whats on your dance card and thats why a lot of them don't see you. You are the only monger I know who demands the right to walk through a hurricane in his birthday suit. Right on bro! If some of you can't decipher this well, sorry I can't help you. Oh, and don't worry I don't see the ones you are seeing. It's not about the lack of covering up during the hurricane, it was those views of your birthday suite from the closet!

Two points here:

1. Full dance cards. Try another dance club, they may not be as busy.

2. Menu. If you can't figure it out by reading all the reviews on all the boards or by talking to other members, those who will talk to you, then try a new restaurant or get reading glasses.

FF.

PS. B Beal let's go to an auto race with some freckled ladies. God that was very funny![/QUOTE]

Hey! You forgot my quote:

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak;1522916]She tells me about it also and it gets me HOT! Hey don't take it personally but I love stories and providers like telling me stories. So I ask, and well some of you guys are great stories, but some of you guys are pretty bad. From the stories providers have told me I even know how some of you grunt during the big "O". Hey don't feel violated if I may have even watched you from a closet! Of course this costs me more than what you paid, but it's worth it. Live Indy sex shows viewed by a freak![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ilapp;1524583]Now I know why every time I see you you smile at me and make these piggy grunting noises that sounds like two sucklings being skinned alive. I thought I recognized those sounds somehow. You are just mimicking my special noises I make when my face goes all scrunched, wait you jerk, you have made those faces at me too while I was getting table dances. All this time I thought you my friend and in reality you were making fun of me and light of my physical eccentricities. And now I also know why you no longer ask for pictures or videos of my escapades, it is because it is you I hear thumping in the closet while I am at play, you have seen the event live and no longer have to titillate your darkness with captured images. And that is the last time I am falling for it when I hear those rhythmic noises emanating from under the closet doors, and she tell me not to worry, that she just put the cat in the closet for my own protection and he likes to lick himself a lot. Hell, wait a minute, she doesn't even own a damn cat. I bet I am not the only guy that is going to start checking closets and behind shower curtains from now on before he goes into action.[/QUOTE]Watching you is the last thing I need. Besides you are the ONE providers love telling stories about! I'm afraid if I watched I would be disappointed because the stories read like a romance novel combined with the hottest porn I have ever listened to.

Oh well I need to get the cat out of the closet before he licks himself to death.

FF.

PS. I met a freckled waitress who got me in contact with her freckled mother. Now that's a story!

I have no problem with choices. It's when choice is taken away, that I have a problem with.

[QUOTE=BB Daddy;1523613]Whether you do or don't is your own choice. Some people just don't like to beat around the Bush![/QUOTE]When someone answers every BP and NR add with (blunt)"I want it my way and that way is BB" and then keeps on answering those ads month after month with the same statement, then I think that goes beyond choice. When someone constantly contacts a provider, after the provider has said no several times before, but they keep on pushing for BBFS to the point of harassment, then that goes beyond choice. When someone forces BBFS during a session then that goes beyond choice. Not only does choice end but other issues such as respect, emotional distress, and just plain bullying come into play.

Women are much more susceptible to STD's than men and men can carry them without even knowing it. So when choice comes into play, I respect the women's choice. I also respect my choice whatever it may be. I think a providers respect is ultimate, not my selfish choice.

FF.

PS. My choice of course is a woman covered in freckles.

[QUOTE=Lion7170;1523543]Glad to see FF posting here again.I did however see Alyssa from Fantasys last week.[/QUOTE]One question. Did she have freckles? Some of those Fantasys ladies do you know.

FF.

PS. If she did have freckles and you didn't tell me, wait a minute I remember that she didn't, I could tell from the closet.

[QUOTE=Ilapp; 1524583]She tells me about it also and it gets me HOT! Hey don't take it personally but I love stories and providers like telling me stories. So I ask, and well some of you guys are great stories, but some of you guys are pretty bad. From the stories providers have told me I even know how some of you grunt during the big "O". Hey don't feel violated if I may have even watched you from a closet! Of course this costs me more than what you paid, but it's worth it. Live Indy sex shows viewed by a freak!

Now I know why every time I see you you smile at me and make these piggy grunting noises that sounds like two sucklings being skinned alive. I thought I recognized those sounds somehow. You are just mimicking my special noises I make when my face goes all scrunched, wait you jerk, you have made those faces at me too while I was getting table dances. All this time I thought you my friend and in reality you were making fun of me and light of my physical eccentricities. And now I also know why you no longer ask for pictures or videos of my escapades, it is because it is you I hear thumping in the closet while I am at play, you have seen the event live and no longer have to titillate your darkness with captured images. And that is the last time I am falling for it when I hear those rhythmic noises emanating from under the closet doors, and she tell me not to worry, that she just put the cat in the closet for my own protection and he likes to lick himself a lot. Hell, wait a minute, she doesn't even own a damn cat. I bet I am not the only guy that is going to start checking closets and behind shower curtains from now on before he goes into action.[/QUOTE]Unless she has freckles, eh? Just sayin!

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1525782]Hey! You forgot my quote:

Watching you is the last thing I need. Besides you are the ONE providers love telling stories about! I'm afraid if I watched I would be disappointed because the stories read like a romance novel combined with the hottest porn I have ever listened to.

Oh well I need to get the cat out of the closet before he licks himself to death.

FF.

PS. I met a freckled waitress who got me in contact with her freckled mother. Now that's a story![/QUOTE]If you ever watched me from a closet, you have my sympathy cause it probably was not a good look on my part. My partners part is another story. If it does happen in the future make yourself known and I will trade places with you.

[QUOTE=KinkyBroad; 1525648]Mr. Mack does come with references and is a very nice man who communicates well and is respectful. While my menu does not accomodate what he has in mind, I certainly would have no problem giving him the time of day if I were a different type of person.

I think this is one of the rudest posts ever and frankly you're a jerk off. Trying to downgrade Mr. Mack for his way of hobbying and pointing and laughing is ridiculous. This board should be renamed "School For Retarded Wayward Boys".

Have fun in your jungle playing Lord Of The Flies, dipshit.[/QUOTE]Choice: Mack does come with references (but I don't see him).

Choice: Your menu does not accomodate what he has in mind.

Choice: I certainly would have no problem giving him the time of day if I were a different type of person.

All of these are your choices. My choice is not to see you just like your choice is not to see him. His choice is to look for what he wants on the menu. This is ok because it is his choice. All of these are choices. But since you don't know the facts into how Mickey D goes about searching for his choices then how can you attack me. My point was everyone has a choice, until someone takes the choice away. Providers have a hard enough time dealing with everything in the business, so I have a tough time with hobbyists trying to take choice away from them. If you don't like the menu then move on to the next restaurant. Don't keep going into Mickey D's and harassing them into becoming Taco Bell.

What is even more amazing is what you said in the post just before this one. Please read what you type before you write about others.

[QUOTE=KinkyBroad;1525623]Just because someone's manner of speech ruffles your tailfeathers don't let it blind you to valid and important points.[/QUOTE]I guess it's time for this rude, dipshit, Lord of the Flies in the jungle to go jerk off and find the new board named "School For Retarded Wayward Boys".

FF.

PS. I hope this School has some freckled female teachers, because I don't like boys. Unless of course they are doing a freckled teacher and I'm hiding in the closet.

Alexa Cordae contacted me to say she is visiting today. See her if you can.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1526640]Choice: Mack does come with references (but I don't see him).

Choice: Your menu does not accomodate what he has in mind.

Choice: I certainly would have no problem giving him the time of day if I were a different type of person.

All of these are your choices. My choice is not to see you just like your choice is not to see him. His choice is to look for what he wants on the menu. This is ok because it is his choice. All of these are choices. But since you don't know the facts into how Mickey D goes about searching for his choices then how can you attack me. My point was everyone has a choice, until someone takes the choice away. Providers have a hard enough time dealing with everything in the business, so I have a tough time with hobbyists trying to take choice away from them. If you don't like the menu then move on to the next restaurant. Don't keep going into Mickey D's and harassing them into becoming Taco Bell.

What is even more amazing is what you said in the post just before this one. Please read what you type before you write about others.

I guess it's time for this rude, dipshit, Lord of the Flies in the jungle to go jerk off and find the new board named "School For Retarded Wayward Boys".

FF.

PS. I hope this School has some freckled female teachers, because I don't like boys. Unless of course they are doing a freckled teacher and I'm hiding in the closet.[/QUOTE]You would be wrong sir. First I don't understand how I get involved in a thread about someone else. I have made no secret about my play likes and I express those when I contact a lady who asks me what I like. My responses are varies like so many on here. I have times when I seek out skilled French lady, or a lady who loves to speak Russian or other activities. If my likes are not her skills, I don't harrass anyone. I do revist a lady at times to see if her menu is changed however I NEVER harrass her if she doesn't like my Mickey D's philosophy of have it your way. Most of my hobbying is and has been of the standard type but if a lady wishes to accommodate me I won't turn her down provided she is a well known and respected lady in the hobby with good vouches from other clients or has sterling reviews. I don't force my beliefs on anyone, never have and don't plan to start now. What I really don't understand is how I got dragged into this thread about someone elses actions and activities. If I have offended ladies my sincere apologies. If they became offended because of my likes, not much I can do about that. I have a wide and diverse menu with the exceptions of the trip to Athens. Not my thing. There are too many ways to get what is needed to get stuck or fixated on one. I don't criticize others choices of activities, never have and never will, and would ask the same respect from the community. If someone wants to become judge and jury over others activities I guess that is their prerogative. I chose to let well enough alone and meet my needs. Thanks for reading and have a "happy" weekend.

What a broke-down, swaybacked nag that horse has become (not here in this thread so much as the culture at large, where "freedom" and "unfettered license" have become synonymous, and good luck getting through your next intersection because the guy turning left from the opposite direction has made the "choice" to pay attention to his phone, not his driving).

You're free to consider every physical possibility a possible "choice"; you're even free, apparently, to imagine that science is amenable to your emotional needs. But unless you're barebacking yourself you're not free to make that decision on your own, and that would include gaining consent via coercion, or from someone who isn't competent to grant consent. In Indiana you could be subject to civil or criminal penalties, including serious felonies, as a result of unprotected sex, consensual or no.

The point is not that you can't be sensibly fluid-bonded to another person. The point is that sensibility requires clear-headed thinking, and at least as much concern for safety as condom use does. And no one argues that you can't play Russian Roulette with STDs, assuming you find someone willing to share the barrel. But that's different from coming here and demanding that everyone else share your logic, and hold it in artificial esteem as a "choice". It's Safe and Sane and Consensual, and like the man said,"Consential" is not the most important leg of a three-legged stool.

By the way, I know it's seen better days, but this is the Escort forum; surely there are better places to argue for, and seek out, women who will take complete leave of their senses, assuming they had any to begin with.

I had a recent encounter with one of our local favorite providers. She was very casual and made me feel very comfortable and relaxed. I had a very good time and will repeat. To keep her UTR, I won't go into any more details right now. Senior members can PM for details.

Such a thing as coincidence? First there is the current topic of choice and all, and then a certain name comes at me twice this week. First, from an old friend who wanted to know if I could vouch for you, then later from another friend, one who told you she didn't play a certain way, her "choice", but then you proceeded to force the issue. What gave you that right asshole? Fortunately for you a couple of other friends tell me they did not have that issue with you. Otherwise it would be no joke when Sean Connery asks Alex for the category," Therapists for $200" and your pic appears behind the card. I really don't give a shit what two people, even if they are just "professional" friends, decide to do with each other, as long as it is both of their "choices", not one made unilaterally. That sir, was totally out of line, fair warning. You have dishonored yourself and those who you supposedly serve with and for.

I had an appointment to see Bella Donna today. Her previous monger wouldn't leave and I waited for way too long in the lot. I'm a moron for waiting as long as I did. She was texting me the whole time that this guy wouldn't leave. Bah. Wanker. I have no idea if I will reschedule. I'll post a review if I do.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;1527771]Such a thing as coincidence? First there is the current topic of choice and all, and then a certain name comes at me twice this week. First, from an old friend who wanted to know if I could vouch for you, then later from another friend, one who told you she didn't play a certain way, her "choice", but then you proceeded to force the issue. What gave you that right asshole? Fortunately for you a couple of other friends tell me they did not have that issue with you. Otherwise it would be no joke when Sean Connery asks Alex for the category," Therapists for $200" and your pic appears behind the card. I really don't give a shit what two people, even if they are just "professional" friends, decide to do with each other, as long as it is both of their "choices", not one made unilaterally. That sir, was totally out of line, fair warning. You have dishonored yourself and those who you supposedly serve with and for.[/QUOTE]I believe he said he revisits ladies to see if they have changed their menu. His choice. If a lady doesn't wish to she has but to say no. Seems like at least one lady wants to according to your post since she wants your vouch to see him. Her choice. Ladies have agendas just as men do. He has also said in posts that there are more ladies on sites who do than we might imagine who do. Maybe some of the ladies who feel threatened are the ones who are afraid of public disclosure. You are a long time poster and senior and it seems improbable that any man is going to make a unilateral choice knowing his open activities to allow him to see her. Her choice. Those who know his choice can say no. Those who say yes their choice. I doubt he has harrassed anyone. Maybe a degree of uncomfortableness from revisiting ladies who post again and he asks if they have opened up a bit more. His choice. If they say no their choice. Case closed. Since I doubt you know what personally transpired because you weren't there then it becomes a matter of his choice to play multiple ways and styles which he has indicated he does, and their choice to say I only play this way. He does have the choice to revisit future posts to ask if their menu has changed I would think and that in no way constitutes harrassment. At least one lady well known has defended him Kinky Broad and you say you have another who says he is a good guy. If she is well respected then rethink your stance. I would if I were you but then I have much less time and experience on USASG than you. I would think people who harrass and persue it would not have two well known providers who stand behind him one who has stated he has revisited her to see if she has openned up and she said no and that ended that. Doesn't seem like a pushy harrassing "asshole" that you paint on here but Just like you weren't there for the whole situation, neither was I. Just my 02 cents and no attempt to start a pissing war.

[QUOTE=Puntang Man;1528472]I believe he said he revisits ladies to see if they have changed their menu. His choice. If a lady doesn't wish to she has but to say no. Seems like at least one lady wants to according to your post since she wants your vouch to see him. Her choice. Ladies have agendas just as men do. He has also said in posts that there are more ladies on sites who do than we might imagine who do. Maybe some of the ladies who feel threatened are the ones who are afraid of public disclosure. You are a long time poster and senior and it seems improbable that any man is going to make a unilateral choice knowing his open activities to allow him to see her. Her choice. Those who know his choice can say no. Those who say yes their choice. I doubt he has harrassed anyone. Maybe a degree of uncomfortableness from revisiting ladies who post again and he asks if they have opened up a bit more. His choice. If they say no their choice. Case closed. Since I doubt you know what personally transpired because you weren't there then it becomes a matter of his choice to play multiple ways and styles which he has indicated he does, and their choice to say I only play this way. He does have the choice to revisit future posts to ask if their menu has changed I would think and that in no way constitutes harrassment. At least one lady well known has defended him Kinky Broad and you say you have another who says he is a good guy. If she is well respected then rethink your stance. I would if I were you but then I have much less time and experience on USASG than you. I would think people who harrass and persue it would not have two well known providers who stand behind him one who has stated he has revisited her to see if she has openned up and she said no and that ended that. Doesn't seem like a pushy harrassing "asshole" that you paint on here but Just like you weren't there for the whole situation, neither was I. Just my 02 cents and no attempt to start a pissing war.[/QUOTE]I know Big Mack, and he has helped me before, I don' t have any quarter with him. This story has nothing to do with him, those he has seen, it was not him that was needing a referral and and Miss Pie likes to hear herself in print more than I must. As I wrote, the situation I referred to was coincidentally linked to this current topic. The jerk who posts here in question will remain un-named as long as I don't hear of him pulling the shit again. I was asked just to warn providers I know of what he did and for them to be cautious / prepared. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough and I trust BM understood I wasn't referring to him. As I said, anything a provider and client agree to is fine with me, but I can't stand assholes who go beyond those boundaries when they have been clearly expressed. I imagine most of us at some point have gotten caught up in the moment and gone places we didn't see coming, but that we went there was by mutual consent is the key. There are providers out there that will accept any sort of request, irregardless of danger, depravity, or violence. If that is what you desire, then find those that will agree and good luck to all involved, but just because you throw some cash down you have no license to go beyond the wishes and limits expressed by your provider. In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;1528581]There are providers out there that will accept any sort of request, irregardless of danger, depravity, or violence. If that is what you desire, then find those that will agree and good luck to all involved, but just because you throw some cash down you have no license to go beyond the wishes and limits expressed by your provider. In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened. Sounds like the old "sure I have one on." followed by a quick removal and cream pie finish. As you rightly point out, that is shitty and I hope the provider lets everyone know that this occurred to them. If it was more extreme than that, the provider should file charges. Unfortunately, it sounds like this monger figures that the provider won't do that due to the circumstance that the 'event' occurred. Hell, if it was a simple removal of the condom without consent I think that would be sexual assault in the very least.

As everyone has beat home the point multiple times. Mongers as well as providers can make choices. If a monger is out there abusing the rights of the provider, I for one would like to know who the hell it was so that I won't provide them any intel moving forward. They should be run out of this forum if they're out there abusing the provider trust relationship that we all have to rely upon as well.

[QUOTE=Lion7170;1526895]Alexa Cordae contacted me to say she is visiting today. See her if you can.[/QUOTE]Had a 12 noon appt with her on Friday and she sent me an email saying she wasnt coming to Indy because she was sick. Hmmm.

I hope that if she didn't want to meet that she would have just said so.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;1528581]I know Big Mack, and he has helped me before, I don' t have any quarter with him. This story has nothing to do with him, those he has seen, it was not him that was needing a referral and and Miss Pie likes to hear herself in print more than I must. As I wrote, the situation I referred to was coincidentally linked to this current topic. The jerk who posts here in question will remain un-named as long as I don't hear of him pulling the shit again. I was asked just to warn providers I know of what he did and for them to be cautious / prepared. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough and I trust BM understood I wasn't referring to him. As I said, anything a provider and client agree to is fine with me, but I can't stand assholes who go beyond those boundaries when they have been clearly expressed. I imagine most of us at some point have gotten caught up in the moment and gone places we didn't see coming, but that we went there was by mutual consent is the key. There are providers out there that will accept any sort of request, irregardless of danger, depravity, or violence. If that is what you desire, then find those that will agree and good luck to all involved, but just because you throw some cash down you have no license to go beyond the wishes and limits expressed by your provider. In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.[/QUOTE]The way I read your post I thought it was Big Mack you were at odds with. He also has helped me so if I offended you not my intent. Thanks for the clarification and have a nice rest of the weekend. PTMan

[QUOTE=FqIdiot;1528602]I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened.[/QUOTE]Why make an assumption. Who cares what is assumed. It's what happened and privacy to the offended is more important. What happened exactly is not the point. Why can't some of you get it. When did NO, mean Yes. Why doesn't NO mean NO. Accidents happen, but at the moment of it happening and NO is used then choice is taken away. When sexual activity is discussed or happening it's two choices that have to come to consent. I don't care whether it's a constant harrassing request, a request during a session that previously was NO, or it was forced without a request and consent was not involved when the previous answer was NO. I don't care what the activity is water sports, BBBJ, COB or any other activity. Don't take choice away.

Ilapp is right, this had nothing to do with Big Mac and making assumptions that it did is as wrong as taking away choice. I hope the hobbyist involved knows that he took choice away and has learned from this.

FF.

PS. They key is respect to all ladies even if they don't have freckles.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;1528581]In a less clandestine world it rises to the level of a felony.[/QUOTE]In this one, too, and that can't be stressed enough, especially here. You don't abandon your rights because you're doing something illegal, or "wrong" or "bad". (In fact the idea that many of us are even violating Indiana statutes, other than when we're set up by our Uncle, is debatable. A "gift" does not confer the right to make demands.) You certainly don't invite assault by technically committing a misdemeanor. That attitude should be returned to the 19th century, or the Middle Ages, where it belongs. I know, you can't depend on Leo to look out for you. But you should, at minimum, be aware that civil remedies may be available to you, and on the preponderance of evidence.

Money can be coercive. Harassment can certainly be coercive. Who other than people in the hobby should better realize that the fact that something is agreed to "between consenting adults" does not make everything neat and tidy and legal in everyone's eyes?

It's the height of ridiculousness to complain about the excesses (Super Bowl and otherwise) of Uncle Leo, then gratuitously provide him with fodder in a well-watched forum. The spread of disease is the old stalking horse of the anti-sex forces in and outside of law enforcement. It's been superseded in recent years by hyperbolical claims of sex slavery and child prostitution, but it's still there. And "a poster on an internet sex forum recently admitted that all 'hobbyists' really want to have unprotected sex, and many do" is no doubt already the pull-quote in a fundraising email from the same folks who brought flying nun brigades and anti-sex soap bars to a fleabag near you last February. If you don't know enough to keep your mouth shut, then keep your mouth shut.

And let's understand each other. It's no one else's business if you bareback consensually with someone else, but it is our business when you decide to announce it in public, and ask the rest of us to applaud you. It is our business if, in order to reach that point, you proposition fifty women you've never met, and make them feel more uncomfortable, and more fearful of their safety, than the police do. Unless you're paying yourself for tugjobs you're not hobbying in a vacuum. And unless you're concerned with provider safety and security you're a pariah.

[QUOTE=Puntang Man;1528818]The way I read your post I thought it was Big Mack you were at odds with. He also has helped me so if I offended you not my intent. Thanks for the clarification and have a nice rest of the weekend. PTMan[/QUOTE]Totally my fault, I couldn't see to type for the steam coming out my ears apparently, very confusing post on my part. (for some you can save it, I know the always are).

[QUOTE=FqIdiot; 1528602]I'm trying to make an assumption as to what happened. Sounds like the old "sure I have one on." followed by a quick removal and cream pie finish. As you rightly point out, that is shitty and I hope the provider lets everyone know that this occurred to them. If it was more extreme than that, the provider should file charges. Unfortunately, it sounds like this monger figures that the provider won't do that due to the circumstance that the 'event' occurred. Hell, if it was a simple removal of the condom without consent I think that would be sexual assault in the very least.

As everyone has beat home the point multiple times. Mongers as well as providers can make choices. If a monger is out there abusing the rights of the provider, I for one would like to know who the hell it was so that I won't provide them any intel moving forward. They should be run out of this forum if they're out there abusing the provider trust relationship that we all have to rely upon as well.[/QUOTE]There is a can of serious worms here, evidenced by your thoughts, and the always interesting and thought provoking comment by BB, and addressed here in times past. Was I there, no, even though I too am sometimes paying to hide in the closet. None of you took me for a voyeur, that's why I'm a closet voyeur, but hobby in comfort, this is the only way I will come out of that closet. It's just me and a little JVC, not Chris Hansen and dateline in there with me, no one will be popping out, well little ilapp maybe. This provider is a pro, one of the best known and best reviewed, and although this statement may really pry open that can, she understands, in her way of thinking at least, some inherent risks and dangers come with the job, whether that thinking is correct or not, I think I have never had a provider that I knew somewhat, that didn't suffer some unwanted " abuse" whatever form it may have come in, and thought it to be inherent to the job in some way. This girl was mad, but I also know she would take his money again and trust that this time the fool won't go out into Isaac without a coat, never asked how the story " finished" because wasn't the real issue and not necessary for me to know. Once again, one of the sadder statements about all of this. At least I know she has warned those she knows to be careful with this one. Hell, for all I know, maybe it's the first time he ever did that, maybe he felt awful about it, went home and wretched and could not sleep, racked with guilt. Then again I have some girls that would love to see you if you would just like to purchase one of these fine teddy bears I happen to have.

Interesting point, I am sure we have all known a number of providers who have become pregnant while still " working", and assuming since this was a young macho kind of hobbiest, not one of us old blank shooters, and depending how the finish may have occurred, I wonder how he handles going to revisit a provider he has done this to, and she introduces him to Asshole Jr, when he comes through the door. Guess we would see how much of a man he is then wouldn't we? Might be tough to explain to Mom about her first grandchild (it is total supposition as to whether the AH in question has a mother or prior children, not inferring I would know that, just musing)

The Hotfriends main site and also the members site is down and does not appear to be active. Anyone have any info as to why?

Thanks

The asshole has been on his best behavior. Good thing too, couple providers nicknamed Lorena are ready if he tries anything again Hopefully this is the end of this and that

Traveling to Kokomo next week.

Can anyone suggest a provider that might want my company?

After loosing touch with my favorite Jennifer Texted me from a new phone number. Boy was I happy Its like finding that high school hot chick all over again! Had a great dream while visiting her and reminded me why she was my ATF for a long time. No rush and great service felt like a king!

[QUOTE=Bfeguy; 1528729]Had a 12 noon appt with her on Friday and she sent me an email saying she wasnt coming to Indy because she was sick. Hmmm.

I hope that if she didn't want to meet that she would have just said so.[/QUOTE]It most likely means she didn't get enough appointments to make the trip, or to stay an extra day, whatever.

[QUOTE=Bfeguy; 1528729]Had a 12 noon appt with her on Friday and she sent me an email saying she wasnt coming to Indy because she was sick. Hmmm.

I hope that if she didn't want to meet that she would have just said so.[/QUOTE]Easy to see why she might not have felt up to the trip, or maybe not enough commitments to make it worth ten hours of road time was the reason She has been able to make it a couple times since. Curious though, would that really have made you feel better about it had she told you she just didn't want to see you? She's pretty straight up girl, logistics for her, especially this far are tough, still one of my very top ATFs, they don't get get much better than her. Actually good thing her visits are rare, myself and a few of my friends would be broke long ago were she convenient to see, that and we we would all be threatening to leave home would she have us (LOL fortunately I'm sure she wouldn't)

[QUOTE=BagoHammer1;1528393]I had an appointment to see Bella Donna today. Her previous monger wouldn't leave and I waited for way too long in the lot. I'm a moron for waiting as long as I did. She was texting me the whole time that this guy wouldn't leave. Bah. Wanker. I have no idea if I will reschedule. I'll post a review if I do.[/QUOTE]So I did reschedule with Bella the next weekend. A good time was had by all. Sr's are welcome to pm with questions.

I think it has been a long time since I had an issue with a provider, but I just found out that Lisa, from NR, is spreading the word that she is scared of me. Hmmm, let's see, she used to be one of my best discoveries, a hot long redheaded freckled provider, with good service, just what I like. However stupid me bought food for her kids so CPS wouldn't take them, gave her cash when she needed it, and bought a phone and plan for her when her old one broke so her daughters school could stay in touch with her. She now sets up appointments on the same phone and plan I paid for. When I try for weeks to contact her to set up an appointment to recover some of my previous generosity, she ignores me. Then when I stop by to see her and find out what is up, which I had done several times in the past with no incident, her BF that lives with her assaults me. Now she is telling other hobbyists that she is scared of me. Lisa, from previously BP and now NR, you should be more scared of the following:

1. A BF that leaves the house right before your customer arrives and drives around the block waiting until your customer is gone and has a temper out of control. He is such a good influence on your daughter! Who knows, maybe he will focus that temper towards other customers also.

2. The bedbugs that infest your house and bite your daughter, along with all the flies that carry disease.

3. The fact that your life is out of control and you have your BF assault others that went out of their way to help you when you needed help but you didn't even have the decency to respond to them.

So fellow hobbyists beware of this one. Her BF is loose cannon, who knows when he will go off. Make sure you disinfect yourself after leaving her house you wouldn't want to take anything home with you. Those that don't believe my review, there are some senior members that can substantiate what I have said. Sometimes a provider needs to move on. Too bad, Lisa was good, but not worth the drama.

FF.

PS. Did you know Nancy on BP has freckles? Great service also.