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No right or wrong my friend just different ponts of view is all. Now Michael Weston is always right LOL!
KG
[QUOTE=Wingman Todd]NK,
Indeed, we are very good friends at that! I perhaps mis-read some of your points. My bad. As far as mentioning Nikki's name, why the F**k I did that is beyond me! Just using a comparsion of another tough screener I guess. We do in fact share the same thoughts on this subject and discuss it all the time. Damn, I hate when you are always right! lol! WM[/QUOTE]
I'm going to try to phrase this so as to not add to the drama, and hopefully to add a couple of salient points. To be clear, none of these points are directed at anyone in particular and are in no way meant to be inflammatory or derogatory.
First, I agree with Nkykinkyguy's basic principal. If you are going to try someone new. Try a couple of times and if unsuccessful, move on. There are definitely more providers out there. New providers show up just about every day (some legit, some not -- be careful)!
Second, I can understand that two times may be too few attempts for you. I say "OK". Try 3 or 4 times. If you are still unsuccessful, move on. The point is that you have to draw a line somewhere. It doesn't really make any sense to keep trying after a certain point. Either the provider wants to see you or she doesn't. Continued attempts will only annoy her and will [b]not[/b] result in you getting to see her. RESPECT HER WISHES, and move on.
Now, if you decide that you HAVE to see a particular provider [whether KG or I or anyone else thinks that makes any sense, is irrelevant] and you DECIDE to keep trying for 3 months, 6 months, 8 months, over a year .... Remember, that was YOUR choice. Don't whine about it after a year of trying and not connecting.
I was going to add that you should post (in an unemotional and professional manner) that you had difficulty scheduling with a particular provider. That type of post CAN benefit the forum. However, if you have tried unsuccessfully to contact a provider for 8 months or over a year, I'm not sure that it [b][i]is[/i][/b] beneficial to the forum to make such a post. After that amount of time, I doubt the problem is with HER so much as it is with YOU.
Regarding screening. I'm all for it. I agree with Sara. I'd rather be safe. But remember a couple of points.
[u]Providers[/u]: Make sure your expectations are [b]clearly[/b] and [b]completely[/b] stated. What information do you require (i.e. provide a form or format)? How do you want to receive the information? How do you want to contact the provided references (through a board, phone, email, etc.)? Do the references have to be verifiable? If so, what do you consider "verifiable"? Do the references have to screen too?
[u]Hobbyists[/u]: Assuming the Provider has clearly and completely stated her expectations, [thoroughly] provide all of the information requested in your first contact! If you don't have what she is looking for, don't [i]expect[/i] a response back. I am also a very firm believer of "If you don't know ... [b]ask[/b]!" If the Provider has not provided a clear set of expectations, ask her for them. Instead of going back and forth 50 times, figure it out right away!!! And, THEN, provide all of the requested information in your next contact. Again, if you don't have what she is looking for, don't expect a response back.
I hope some of this helps. I'm trying to coalesce a lot of the previous comments into one post to benefit all.
Be well, be safe, have fun,
JR
Since i inadvertently got this ball rolling i need to chime in. What hobbiest pay for is a service not a product. And as we know all providers are not created equal. I see nothing wrong with waiting to spend some time with a certain provider if need be. I also do not see nothing wrong with a provider being overly cautious. What everyone fails to realize is that what we are doing is illegal and the providers are probably most at risk. And Babelover, I DO feel special! I am still riding that short bus. lol ps Sorry again sara, i thought i was doing a good thing when i posted that. Whoops.
I think everyone here knows the legal status of our hobby. And hobby is just a euphemism that we all like to use instead of business. All businesses provide a product, a service or a combination of both. Whether you are providing a product or service the business models do not differ all that much. It is a business and it is about the money.
It was not that long ago that a certain person here spent days chastising me because of a friendship I had made through the hobby. Blatantly told me it was all about the money and that I did not understand what was really going on. That as soon as I stopped handing out the money the friendship would be over. Now we have hobbyist feeling special because a provider agrees to let him pay her his money and that we should be happy to wait to see her for that privilege. Will that special feeling still be there once the money stops flowing out?
WOW, how times have changed. Making a friend is absolutely out of the question but feeling special is OK. What has the world come to, LOL!
Funny how different the world looks from the other side isn’t it? When you feel special everyone else should understand but if you are on the outside looking in everyone is just foolish and doesn’t understand.
KG
There is quite a bit of verbal dancing being done involving semantics and reading between the lines. As far as Sara being about the money, my take is that she is not just about the money. She enjoys what she does, and luckily she can make money from doing what she likes. I was fortunate enough to have such a life (no, I never was good enough to get paid for sex,LOL), but I did get paid a great salary to do a job that I loved. Life sure as hell is not about money, but money plays a big part in our lives. Sara does what she wants to do and she is entitled to that. Dismissing her ability to control her own destiny is more than unacceptable. I would have thought that when Nikki 6 had disparaging comments posted, we would have learned, and then her name gets posted here. Well guys, how about we just all quietly walk away from this area of discussion before we cause two of the best providers in this area to contemplate relocation because we know better than they as to how to run their affairs. Maybe I am wrong, but from my dealings with these two ladies, they are probably more squared away than 99% of the men who post here including me. As always this is just my opinion and thanks for letting me post it here.
[QUOTE=Nkykinkyguy]Hello Sara,
My post was strictly directed to the hobbyist on this board. That is why everything said was directed to them, i.e. make two contact attempts, move on to the next provider if you are not happy with the initial service, don’t chase providers etc. I never once commented on you or your level of service to any particular hobbyist. I am glad you did not take it personally as it was not directed at you or any other provider in particular.
Your communication efforts with Babelover or any other hobbyist is between you and them; I have no dog in those fights, so to speak. I was just making a statement as to my opinion of proper hobbyist etiquette. How you conduct your business is strictly your concern. If you and you customers are happy then there is no cause for concern.
I am sure that you and your customers are satisfied with your screening process, safety measures and level of service. If this was not the case then they would look elsewhere and you would have to change your business model or move to a different profession.
As you did not take my comments personally, I as well did not take your comments personally so please take the following with those same sentiments.
The only part of your post I have a hard time digesting is the money. If it isn’t about the money why is there a charge? I know plenty of women that have frequent sex partners and do not charge money for it. They have high sex drives and enjoy the variety. There are several swing clubs in the area where there are plenty of play partners of both sexes available for fun and no one is charging a fee. Reality says you are running a business, you have advertising expenses, building/location expense, material cost, safety expense, insurance cost, etc. etc. It is a business and in business it is always about the money.
You as an attractive woman could have as many partners as you chose without charging a fee. Please understand that there is no disrespect intended or implied, I am just stating the facts as they appear. If it wasn’t about the money there wouldn’t be a need to charge. Business is business and should be treated and judged according.
JMHO
KG[/QUOTE]
Dave- I am really anxiously waiting that lap dance, lol. I know you were just letting everyone know that I was now not available everyweekend, and only every other weekend. You simply forgot to mention that I am available weekdays along with every other weekend.
Babelover, I am not upset with you as I believe you were just releasing some frustrations and you have never once sent me a mean email. When you first started emailing me you wer new and had no references at all. Then, I believe you contacted me when you received one notch under your belt. I never ignored your emails as NKYKinkyguy makes it sounds like in his posts. I have always responded to your emails, but I guess I just wasn't giving you the answers you wanted to hear. I am sure that I asked you how I could contact your references through a direct website because I have never trusted references that only have the providers email address listed (because as I said before anyone can make up a false email address) If I did not state that in your case then I do apologize.
When I respond back to clients with an "I'm sorry, but I am not seeing anyone new at this time" I am refering to newbies. If I am unsure of someone's legitimacy or if they have a lack of references, or references listed that are not dependable then many times I will respond back with the answer that I am sorry, but I am not seeing anyone new at this time.
To NKYKinkyguy, ?
You said you couldn't digest what I was talking about as far as when I stated how I was not "all about the money" after you in a round about way said that I was and then suggested going to swing clubs? Please go back and re-read my post to you #2076
I stated, If I were all about the money, then I would see every Tom, Dick, and Harry that emailed me. I wrote that SAFETY COMES FIRST AND THEN MONEY. The point that I was making is that I have the potential to see ALOT more clients on a weekely basis than I do, but I choose not to because safety and remaining as utr as possible comes before money. So, what's the talk about swing clubs have to do with anything?
In addition, you keep saying that I basically ignored Babelovers emails and that is not the case as I also stated many times. I responded to every one of his emails as soon as I got them. You may do better if you read posts a little slower before you respond because your responses do not match up. And even though I do not take your posts personally because I know I am none of the negative things you mentioned....your posts still come off to me as being a bit nasty and quick to jump the gun, so to speak. I understand that you are trying to give advice to a fellow hobbyist about moving on and I would give the same advice to a fellow hobbyist, but it would be nice if you took your time reading others posts before quickly and wrongly commenting in a way that sounds more like tongue lashings than advice. Atleast get the facts straight first before lashing is what I'm asking. Again, I have nothing personal against you but I am sure I am not the only one that has read your recent posts and thought wow, what's that all about?! I also never mentioned anything about money and friendships and that has nothing to do with this topic. I was simply explaining my screening process and how safety comes before money with me because that is what started this conversation and what all this is about.
Sara
aka Tonguetwister
Please, this is like a bunch of old ladies at a quilting bee.
Just stop---I am begging...
Nkykinkyguy,
Rebuttal? This is sounding like my high school's debate team. Or was that the masterbating team? Probably both. And in every good debate, there are final comments. But let me give it for you both. I have spoken to both of you today. Words were mis-understood (me included), and taken out of context. You each conveyed there was nothing personal taken. Which is good! Nkykinkyguy, I know you were only speaking in general to the hobbyists when it is time to move on. Sara, I also know you were only trying to clarify your screening standards. I know you both closely and also know there was no disrepect implied or intended by either. Of course you are both entitled to your own thoughts and opinions. So my feeling on who is the winner? It is a TIE! Continue any other comments via PM.
Now, let's get down to business as to what this board should be about!Mallory is back per Readytogo! , though on a limited basis! Yea!!!!
Wingman
btw: Heads up. This weekend through Labor Day, the LE is severely cracking down on DUI's. Be safe and if you drive, stay sober!
[QUOTE=Tonguetwister]Dave- I am really anxiously waiting that lap dance, lol. I know you were just letting everyone know that I was now not available everyweekend, and only every other weekend. You simply forgot to mention that I am available weekdays along with every other weekend.
Babelover, I am not upset with you as I believe you were just releasing some frustrations and you have never once sent me a mean email. When you first started emailing me you wer new and had no references at all. Then, I believe you contacted me when you received one notch under your belt. I never ignored your emails as NKYKinkyguy makes it sounds like in his posts. I have always responded to your emails, but I guess I just wasn't giving you the answers you wanted to hear. I am sure that I asked you how I could contact your references through a direct website because I have never trusted references that only have the providers email address listed (because as I said before anyone can make up a false email address) If I did not state that in your case then I do apologize.
When I respond back to clients with an "I'm sorry, but I am not seeing anyone new at this time" I am refering to newbies. If I am unsure of someone's legitimacy or if they have a lack of references, or references listed that are not dependable then many times I will respond back with the answer that I am sorry, but I am not seeing anyone new at this time.
To NKYKinkyguy, ?
You said you couldn't digest what I was talking about as far as when I stated how I was not "all about the money" after you in a round about way said that I was and then suggested going to swing clubs? Please go back and re-read my post to you #2076
I stated, If I were all about the money, then I would see every Tom, Dick, and Harry that emailed me. I wrote that SAFETY COMES FIRST AND THEN MONEY. The point that I was making is that I have the potential to see ALOT more clients on a weekely basis than I do, but I choose not to because safety and remaining as utr as possible comes before money. So, what's the talk about swing clubs have to do with anything?
In addition, you keep saying that I basically ignored Babelovers emails and that is not the case as I also stated many times. I responded to every one of his emails as soon as I got them. You may do better if you read posts a little slower before you respond because your responses do not match up. And even though I do not take your posts personally because I know I am none of the negative things you mentioned....your posts still come off to me as being a bit nasty and quick to jump the gun, so to speak. I understand that you are trying to give advice to a fellow hobbyist about moving on and I would give the same advice to a fellow hobbyist, but it would be nice if you took your time reading others posts before quickly and wrongly commenting in a way that sounds more like tongue lashings than advice. Atleast get the facts straight first before lashing is what I'm asking. Again, I have nothing personal against you but I am sure I am not the only one that has read your recent posts and thought wow, what's that all about?! I also never mentioned anything about money and friendships and that has nothing to do with this topic. I was simply explaining my screening process and how safety comes before money with me because that is what started this conversation and what all this is about.
Sara
aka Tonguetwister[/QUOTE]
Hey guys,
Not to break this drama going on I love drama, but any info on tai? Asiansensationtai on e.com she is not with dd I heard or atleast doing solo too.
Any contact info is appreciated. Please do pm me.
Thanks,
Pete
[QUOTE=Tonguetwister]***I was simply explaining my screening process and how safety comes before money with me because that is what started this conversation and what all this is about.
Sara
aka Tonguetwister[/QUOTE]
Sara makes more sense here than anyone, and certainly writes better.
She is clearly responding to emails, not that she has to respond to any, we live in a free country, some simply don't like the response. "Hey, what's up" is not the way to submit references and schedule. It is not entitled to a response.
I found her on the S*pS*p board, and she messaged me. Her posted rates were out of my league, but I eventually responded, saying that I didn't think I could afford her. She was very accomadating in the negotiations, and we set up a meet, after a few e-mails, and I had a great time.
All normal items were on the menu. She is especially adept at the french lessons, and doesn't seem to have a gag reflex. She likes giving as well as receiving. We hit a couple of positions, and the finish was superb.
She is a low volume provider that is pretty much UTR, as she has a real job. Says she does this for the fun, and a little extra money.
Her pics are accurate, but she is much better in person. Fun disposition, and not a clock watcher.
If you treat her right, she make sure that you have a wonderful time.
She works out of Hamilton / fairfield area.
I did some research on Tai. I believe she is still with dd (they have her pics in their gallery) as I viewed a recent review on that ter site, but is also out on her own. Interesting reviews. It apears she has gone thru a metamorphis from what was on the table to what is now off the table. Fine looking gal! Love to hear some recent reports if anyone here has seen her.
WM
[QUOTE=Pete Mat]Hey guys,
Not to break this drama going on I love drama, but any info on tai? Asiansensationtai on e.com she is not with dd I heard or atleast doing solo too.
Any contact info is appreciated. Please do pm me.
Thanks,
Pete[/QUOTE]
Ok folks please forgive me (and correct me) for any improper posting rules since this is my first post. I've been reading the boards for a few weeks now eager to jump at my first opportunity. I think I've done my research but was looking for any reports on AmberDelight from e.com. Also any new pointers from you senior members on first timers would be appreciated. Looking forward to finally interacting with this forum community.
You fellows are something.
When someone acts like you do you call them out.
Then continue to act as you do.
How about this? On to REVIEWS of women:
Tia is exceptional in most ways. I seen her once. She is pricey but is worth it if you like asian spice. Worth the visit to see her my good man.
She is so so on the GFE stuff, but if you're a clean gentleman and not a bum you may find her receptive to your advances.
There is another oriental in Columbus that travels to Cincinnati as well. Used to go by Vanessa but she uses a couple other names as well.
Very good looking, maybe better looking than Tia, which is saying something. Big difference is she is a lot less $.
PM for digits if you want.
I had a great time with Karla today. She posts on e dot com. Very easy screening process, Date-Check. Nice body, very experienced. Knows exactly what she is doing and does it extremely well. It is very nice to spend time with someone that can hold her own in a conversation and also provide excellent service. True GFE in every aspect. Absolutely will repeat.
If you are looking for an experienced woman, not a young girl with a boob job (Not that that's a bad thing LOL! there is a time and place for that too) Karla is an excellent choice.