Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=RubberDuckyBoston;6532396]Someone set up a meet at a hotel with her and then tell hotel security she's got a gun. Easy fix.[/QUOTE]Eh, what if she has a permit to carry or whatever is needed for that to be legal?

Also if one seeks help from the law, they better have "clean hands". In other words engaging a girl in a sex for money scheme means you gots dirty hands. Don't expect help from the law.

Hotel security might jam you up.

Best advice is ALWAYS do a M&G and vet the girl & set meeting particulars. Less likely that a scammer or robber would take the time to M&G. But guys who set up first meetings in a hotel aren't Sugar Daddies, just Johns looking for a prostitute for sex.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6533191]Also if one seeks help from the law, they better have "clean hands". In other words engaging a girl in a sex for money scheme means you gots dirty hands. Don't expect help from the law.[/QUOTE]ROFL you heard it here folks. If a chick pulls a gun out and robs you, the police won't care just cause you were doing tit for tat. Jeez. It's honestly amazing some people manage to get dressed in the morning.

[QUOTE=RubberDuckyBoston;6532396]Someone set up a meet at a hotel with her and then tell hotel security she's got a gun. Easy fix.[/QUOTE]Best to just avoid this chick and move on. Always have a meet and greet and, if you can wait, schedule another meeting to start the arrangement. Scammers or frauds won't wait that long. I didn't follow that rule once and I was cash and dash by a chick. So I'm back to the more cautious process.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6533239]ROFL you heard it here folks. If a chick pulls a gun out and robs you, the police won't care just cause you were doing tit for tat. Jeez. It's honestly amazing some people manage to get dressed in the morning.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying at all, rather that they might end up arresting YOU too.

But there's ways to set up a meet and report her relatively anonymously so you don't have to get involved too much. Only problem would be if she ends up going crazy and pulling her piece and someone ends up dead, then I'd feel kinda bad. People like her need to be taught a lesson for sure, but not at the cost of someone dying.

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6533424]Best to just avoid this chick and move on.[/QUOTE]Right. So let her keep on robbing people and maybe even kill someone despite these claims of not wanting to provoke her.

I find it morbidly hilarious and hypocritical that guys will always chastise other dudes for sending money for "deposits" or just prior to meet ups which encourages them to keep on doing it, but now whoever got held up isn't immediately calling the cops and accusing her of the literal armed robbery she just committed which does the exact same thing the sending of money prior to meeting does. Habituating this bad behaviour.

[QUOTE=Krott26;6532381]Appreciate everyone's feedback and support. I was able to obtain some real life photos of this girl from someone else (attached below). If anyone could also post the photos she uses in her texts, that would be helpful too. It seems like despite all the reports, both of her profiles are somehow still up.

To answer the questions below: did not do a meet and greet and definitely not making that mistake again. Met at a hotel. No obvious warning signs. Went to the bathroom and heard her trying to leave (she couldn't figure out the lock). Came out to confront her ("were you trying to leave?") and she pulled a gun out of her purse.

Between multiple stories of robberies, cashing and dashing and false accusations of rape in the last few weeks alone, she is definitely playing with fire.[/QUOTE]I've never tried out the sugar dating scene, but I lurker in here every now and then to see what's up.

This is pretty crazy. It reminds me of a 2003 film called "monster" where a SW ends up killing mongers. Apparently it was based on true events. At some angles, she even looks like the character in the movie.

Stay safe out there.

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6534204]Right. So let her keep on robbing people and maybe even kill someone despite these claims of not wanting to provoke her.

I find it morbidly hilarious and hypocritical that guys will always chastise other dudes for sending money for "deposits" or just prior to meet ups which encourages them to keep on doing it, but now whoever got held up isn't immediately calling the cops and accusing her of the literal armed robbery she just committed which does the exact same thing the sending of money prior to meeting does. Habituating this bad behaviour.[/QUOTE]I think the salient point that everyone can take away from this unfortunate bad experiences is this: [B]There are certain truisms or rules that go with mongering[/B], IF one wants to stay safe and not get jammed up. Are there short cuts or ways to ignore or avoid the rules? Sure. Problem is that once a dude takes a short cut and nothing bad happens, they assume the rules don't apply. Er, until something bad happens.

Take it from those who have gone before, made ALL of the mistakes and are willing to share that knowledge and experience. Follow the rules.

Look every time I take a short cut, ignore a rule or think I know it all is when the hobby bites me in the azz. But it is a free country and one is welcome to make mistakes.

I'm not looking to change girl's behaviors and save the world, just watch out for myself and hopefully help other mongers learn to watch out for themselves.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6534495]I think the salient point that everyone can take away from this unfortunate bad experiences is this: [B]There are certain truisms or rules that go with mongering[/B], IF one wants to stay safe and not get jammed up. Are there short cuts or ways to ignore or avoid the rules? Sure. Problem is that once a dude takes a short cut and nothing bad happens, they assume the rules don't apply. Er, until something bad happens.

Take it from those who have gone before, made ALL of the mistakes and are willing to share that knowledge and experience. Follow the rules.

Look every time I take a short cut, ignore a rule or think I know it all is when the hobby bites me in the azz. But it is a free country and one is welcome to make mistakes.

I'm not looking to change girl's behaviors and save the world, just watch out for myself and hopefully help other mongers learn to watch out for themselves.

Stay safe![/QUOTE]I don't blame the guy at all for not reporting the robbery. Maybe he has a wife and kids? Maybe he didn't want to throw it all away for a few hundred dollars? Kinda tuff to explain that one to the wife. He did the right thing- got out of there safely then shared the info with others. I agree on sending any money up front and always have a Meet and Greet in public first but I don't think he'll make that mistake again. Glad no one got hurt and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Nate0110;6534587]I don't blame the guy at all for not reporting the robbery. Maybe he has a wife and kids? Maybe he didn't want to throw it all away for a few hundred dollars? Kinda tuff to explain that one to the wife. He did the right thing- got out of there safely then shared the info with others. I agree on sending any money up front and always have a Meet and Greet in public first but I don't think he'll make that mistake again. Glad no one got hurt and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I would think she would continue robbing people until someone puts a stop to her. She would continue on seeking or move to escorting and / or move locations.

I wouldn't be surprised if a few people she has ripped off group together and set her up in an ambush and run a train on her.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6533191]Eh, what if she has a permit to carry or whatever is needed for that to be legal?

Also if one seeks help from the law, they better have "clean hands". In other words engaging a girl in a sex for money scheme means you gots dirty hands. Don't expect help from the law.

Hotel security might jam you up.

Best advice is ALWAYS do a M&G and vet the girl & set meeting particulars. Less likely that a scammer or robber would take the time to M&G. But guys who set up first meetings in a hotel aren't Sugar Daddies, just Johns looking for a prostitute for sex.[/QUOTE]Well said Shampoo. For the folks who are actually using this forum to gain information, not just being an Internet know-it-all, this all rings true. Agree 100% with M&G policy. That's part of what make SB arrangements safer as LEO aren't wasting their time meeting you for coffee and discussing what "possibly" may happen with $$ and sex.

As mentioned, if you legally carry in PA, you're no longer protected by the law if you are carrying while engaging in criminal activity. Prostitution isn't legal. Connect the dots and don't think your CCW permit allows you to freely meet hookers and draw your weapon. You'll learn the hard way that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[QUOTE=BeefNoodleSoup;6534239]I've never tried out the sugar dating scene, but I lurker in here every now and then to see what's up.

This is pretty crazy. It reminds me of a 2003 film called "monster" where a SW ends up killing mongers. Apparently it was based on true events. At some angles, she even looks like the character in the movie.

Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]Aileen Wuornos was her name and she did her murders in 1900's Florida. Mental health issues compounded by drugs. If you want a healthy dose of truth being stranger than fiction, check out the documentary "Aileen: Life and Death of a Serial Killer".

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6534204]Right. So let her keep on robbing people and maybe even kill someone despite these claims of not wanting to provoke her.

I find it morbidly hilarious and hypocritical that guys will always chastise other dudes for sending money for "deposits" or just prior to meet ups which encourages them to keep on doing it, but now whoever got held up isn't immediately calling the cops and accusing her of the literal armed robbery she just committed which does the exact same thing the sending of money prior to meeting does. Habituating this bad behaviour.[/QUOTE]What should people do then?

Yeah, she's out there. But how could someone stop her.

We're all mongers here. The law doesn't look happily upon mongers. As far as the law is concerned, mongers are in the wrong too.

That's why this is such a high risk activity. Two sides committing illegal acts are coming together, which allows all types of other illegal activity to become fair game as well. Drugs, guns, weapons, robbings, etc. Unfortunately, busting a nut with an attractive girl also gets lumped into all of these things if you decide to monger.

My suggestion is to learn to navigate as best as you can and spread awareness as best as you can. Even right now, someone sharing photos, linking to her SA profile, and documenting what has happened is a good start to prevent others from falling victim to the same schemes.

If there are ways to anonymously report her, that would be the next best step. And even then, this type of scam she is doing is not sustainable at all. One day she's going to scam the wrong person with her gun. And that wrong person is not going to think twice about setting her up really good. This is a dangerous game to be playing.

So, I'm not sure I can add much about the tales of the "Rip off Artist" other than do your due diligence. When you want an escort you might just want to use an escort page instead of trying to find one masquerading as a Sugar Baby.

So I reached out to Anto because I was curious. She says that she traveling and looking for fun! Who isn't I asked how long she had left in our area and she said 2 weeks. I made some small talk but it was obvious that she want to hear my number. I gave her my Google Voice number and she sent me a message from a number from Argentina. So maybe she's legit. I wasn't able to send a message back so I had to go back to the site to negotiate. I gave her a single digit number without zeros and she didn't understand and asked if I had Telegraph. At this point I'm out, she's not cute enough for me to jump through this many hoops and I don't trust Telegraph.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/27fd95d6-27cc-47cd-8dc5-dcedf3f6bee8[/URL]

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6535170]What should people do then?

Yeah, she's out there. But how could someone stop her.

We're all mongers here. The law doesn't look happily upon mongers. As far as the law is concerned, mongers are in the wrong too.

That's why this is such a high risk activity. Two sides committing illegal acts are coming together, which allows all types of other illegal activity to become fair game as well. Drugs, guns, weapons, robbings, etc. Unfortunately, busting a nut with an attractive girl also gets lumped into all of these things if you decide to monger.

My suggestion is to learn to navigate as best as you can and spread awareness as best as you can. Even right now, someone sharing photos, linking to her SA profile, and documenting what has happened is a good start to prevent others from falling victim to the same schemes.

If there are ways to anonymously report her, that would be the next best step. And even then, this type of scam she is doing is not sustainable at all. One day she's going to scam the wrong person with her gun. And that wrong person is not going to think twice about setting her up really good. This is a dangerous game to be playing.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree with the "if you call the cops on her, you're going to jail yourself" argument. Sure, if you call up the cops and say "I paid this chick for sex and she pulled a gun" then you are going to get arrested, but if you follow some basic common sense, there's no way you're getting arrested. They need to have *evidence* that you agreed to pay for sex. Some girl's word (especially a girl who just got arrested for armed robbery) is not going to get a guy convicted, and the cops aren't going to waste their time.

In general, if you have a platonic first date with an SB, there is zero way they could win a prostitution case against you. It just doesn't work that way. Having a gun is it's own evidence.

I will chime in with my two cents. I have been in this hobby for over 20 years and have had 1 cash and dash and one almost robbery. The cash and dash was early in my hobby years when I thought I knew the hobby rules. Met a young lady at an apartment complex, she says she needs the money to pay rent blah blah blah, I think with the wrong head and I am out 150 bucks. Fast forward a few months, find same girl posting. Communicate with her via a different number, agree to meet at same complex but this time I arrive an hour early with 3 of my friends who also hobby. Long story short, she is out her phone, we cut up her I'd, credit cards, and I get back my 150 plus burn her other cash. Yes I know this was stupid, but I was pissed and thought what was she going to do. It could have gone a lot worse for me but I wasn't thinking. I wanted revenge, but as I have gotten more experienced this was the wrong way to go about it IMHO.

The almost robbery was a young lady from SA. Agreed to meet at a local hospital. I arrived on time, first mistake, she arrived before me but was not in or near her car, first red flag. I pick her up, second mistake and we find a spot. We go to the backseat, she doesn't start to undress, red flag number 2, I stay alert and notice a cream colored BMW drifting our way, red flag number 3. I grab my mace and blackjack and notice 2 guys jump out of the BMW and run towards my car. I mace the girl and jump into the drivers seat and she somehow gets out of the backseat. I lock my car and drive off as the guys bang on my trunk. I escape. I drive by the BMW and take a picture of the license plate. My friend who hobbies is ex-LE who was a private investigator. He is able to get me an address and name of the owner. I text the girl with a burner number and let her know that I know who they are and where they live. I tell her to go look at the note on her windshield. The note says something along the lines of, my turn see if you can find what we did to your car, your house, and your other car. We did nothing but wanted to get in their heads. I also subscribed them to a shit ton of spam mail, text blasts, and posted her number everywhere about being a scammer.

My point is, follow the rules and that will give you the best chance to not fall prey to all of the stupid shit some of these ladies try to pull. Sometimes you can get revenge but be smart about it. A lot of the times it will a lesson learned that needs to be shared so we all learn.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6535170]What should people do then?

Yeah, she's out there. But how could someone stop her.[/QUOTE]