"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1237230]OK, Squirt Mongers: where's the stuff come from? A or B?

[ATTACH=CONFIG]137574[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Here is a great vid that shows the squirt up close. 6 mins. Pretty hot stuff.

[url]http://www.youporn.com/watch/155869/very-wet-pussy-and-orgasm/?user_choice=Enter[/url]

[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog;1237566]Cytheria has been outed by people in the adult entertainment field as just being a good fake.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. Here is a short vid of Peter North and Cytheria. He needs a rain suit, argh. Watch her azz shutter. Some good acting you say?

[url]http://www.heaven666.org/peter-north-makes-cytheria-squirt-hard-2521.php[/url]

The first of Vroom's videos is interesting because it shows a combination of milky fluid and clear fluid. The articles previously linked talk about this.

The second video is what happened to me with my 32 year old sb. I can't imagine where that volume of fluid could come from if it isn't from her bladder, but the squirting response is clearly a sexual one and accompanies an orgasm. I wouldn't want it all the time, but it was exciting and different when it happened.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1237867]The first of Vroom's videos is interesting because it shows a combination of milky fluid and clear fluid. The articles previously linked talk about this.

The second video is what happened to me with my 32 year old sb. I can't imagine where that volume of fluid could come from if it isn't from her bladder, but the squirting response is clearly a sexual one and accompanies an orgasm. I wouldn't want it all the time, but it was exciting and different when it happened.[/QUOTE]I had a lady tell me that you don't always squirt when you have an orgasm. But you always have an orgasm when you squirt! And she did too!

[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog; 1237529]This will give you a better clue.

You should see one in a 24 megapixel. 5000+ pixels :cool:[/QUOTE]The stream shown is clear and coming out her urethra, right?

So where does the milky fluid you've seen in your squirters come from? Assuming you've been stable enough during the squirting event to pay attention to such things.

Thanks for the advice re: signing this SB up. There is a very real temptation with a "keeper" to formalize an arrangement, but if it goes south then I would be open to a risk. And they all seem to end at some point, some worse than others.

I know we've discussed multifucking from the sd side, but what about from our sb side? Do you have sb (s) that only fuck you? Do you care?

I ask because supposedly my latest was only seeing me, but I now have reason to believe I'm not her only sd and it bothers me a little more than it should. My solution to that has been to jump back into the sd / sb pool and see what shows up. I'm also only fishing in the YHB fishing hole, and so far I've gotten a couple of nibbles. I'll be sure and give progress reports.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1238427]Thanks for the advice re: signing this SB up. There is a very real temptation with a "keeper" to formalize an arrangement, but if it goes south then I would be open to a risk. And they all seem to end at some point, some worse than others.[/QUOTE]The relationship doesn't have to go south for there to be risk.

Bouncy bouncy expenses don't meet the "ordinary and necessary" test to be on a business tax return. The expense understates the net income on the business return and that flows to understate the net income on the personal return. That's four returns fraudulent (business state / federal and personal state / federal.) If the personal return is joint the wife is brought into the mess.

My preference is exclusivity with a SB who I have I'd'd as a keeper .both from an emotional point of view as well as safety. This is what separates a SB from an escort. I believe my SB is monogamous with me.but who the heck can be sure? I choose to believe it anyway.

An escort definitely is a multifucker and you run the risk of STD exposure and no chance of an emotional attatchment. Most SBs I have hooked up in the past with are not keepers, so I chose to keep multifucking while banging her.

I like some degree of emotional investment and definite exclusivity from my SB.especially since I am paying a substantial supporting wage. This conversation has to be held between the two of you, but you can never be sure she isn't stepping out on you. I think it depends on the type of girl you found. Nando class 1 and 2 are likely to be mfers, type 3.the sportster, perhaps can be controlled by your donation.if she is not greedy. The problem is.if you don't catch then 1st.they see how easy it is to get money from guys like us, and can work multiple guys for a larger payday.

Nando,

I prefer that as well no matter how exciting the mutifucking aspect sounds. I guess it has something to do with the fact that the sex with MILF SB is the best I've ever had. She pushes about 99% of my buttons. She says I'm the only one she's seeing but now I've learned that isn't the case so I'm rethinking the situation. We've never discussed the exclusive factor at all, although I have told her I wasn't seeing anyone else, which has been true since we met.

I guess one can never simply make it all about sex without some other emotional factors coming to play. Damn this shit is supposed to be all about fucking new pussy without a lot of thought!

Magic, I think you should have THE TALK about exclusivity if that is what you want. You can't assume anything.

Multifucking is extremely fun but stressful trying to line up new talent and take the risks of meeting strangers who might know you or of you. I was

Chatting up a potential SB when I discovered after she sent pics that we knew each other from work. That was a potential disaster averted-and points out the ever present risk.

My SB hits my 99% as well and I am very happy with her as my exclusive girl. We had THE TALK about it and I asked that she not see any other SDs and I told her I was not seeking other SBs. She agreed, and her ad disappeared from the site that day, as did mine. I did not ask her to not have dates with other boys in her social circle (which is early 20s) , although I don't think she is seeing anyone else. I know this because she is always available for me when I call, spends the night every time, and (unlike escorts) never looks at her cell phone when we are together. Multifuckers are always working the phones trying to keep up with the action, aren't they?

If I discovered that my SB was seeing others I would probably terminate our relationship. Once I enjoy that emotional investment it's hard to go back. Having said that, if she continued to treat me like gold when we are together, perhaps I would rethink our relationship.as an escort type instead of SD, and just back off emotionally and cut back the payola. This might be an approach to take with your MILF SB.keep her but think of her differently. It might not be too late to bring her back to exclusivity with you.

I am not that fascinated and obsessed with this "phenomenon" (as I have sometimes heard it called) as you appear to be to carry it any further than the visual aid I supplied to you - which I thought clearly answered the question below.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1237908]The stream shown is clear and coming out her urethra, right?

So where does the milky fluid you've seen in your squirters come from? Assuming you've been stable enough during the squirting event to pay attention to such things.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Richmond Fotog;1238869]I am not that fascinated and obsessed with this "phenomenon" (as I have sometimes heard it called) as you appear to be to carry it any further than the visual aid I supplied to you - which I thought clearly answered the question below.[/QUOTE]So for those of us on this thread who want to understand the female's sexual response, we are left with this. Some mongers say squirt fluid is clear, some say milky, some say both. Others appear to say that milky is true squirting but clear fluid is just urine and not true squirting. The articles are mixed and describe a general confusion as to the source and nature of the fluid expelled by a female who squirts during orgasm. I was particularly interested in all the females who commented on one linked article, because they expressed so much confusion about what was happening with their own bodies.

As for me, my tentative opinion is that a large volume of clear fluid is likely mainly urine and is expelled through the girl's urethra. It may be mixed with other substances produced during orgasm. Why the expulsion occurs remains unclear although it seems related to a swelling of the g spot (and I have noticed an expansion of the entire interior vaginal canal). The milky substance some describe is not expelled but rather secreted by the walls of the vagina and is likely lubricative fluid.

Hopefully there will be some definitive information from a scientific source on this matter some day. Until then we mongers will continue to observe in wonder, or not, as we choose.

[QUOTE=Magic Rat; 1238435]I know we've discussed multifucking from the sd side, but what about from our sb side? Do you have sb (s) that only fuck you? Do you care?

I ask because supposedly my latest was only seeing me, but I now have reason to believe I'm not her only sd and it bothers me a little more than it should. My solution to that has been to jump back into the sd / sb pool and see what shows up. I'm also only fishing in the YHB fishing hole, and so far I've gotten a couple of nibbles. I'll be sure and give progress reports.[/QUOTE]M. R, in my case, I don't ask and don't tell. Most of the sbs I've seen have brought up exclusivity, either as something they are looking for ("to have just one sd") or as "I'm not fucking anybody else." While I am pleased by this, I don't reciprocate or respond because I don't want to encourage a sb to rely on me too much. I worry it will lead to demands for more money, time, etc. Oddly enough, my two favorite sbs have not made such requests or claims. So I assume they are fucking other people. Sometimes I wonder how they can be so intimate and still be fucking other guys, given what I know about female psychology, but I don't push them on it.

Seems to be a little quiet in here this week so I'm giving my HYB update, or last thereof.

As I've posted here several times, I've had much better success with the MILF's than with the HYB's, but upon suggestions of some of our more successful mongers here, I decided to hit the HYB pool recently. I contacted several and got 4 responses, which is probably a little above my normal response rate, thanks to some pointers I've gotten on this thread. One I had to respectfully decline as she had a terminal case of GPS (to the tune of a starting amount of sugar of $500. Too rich for the old Rat). The other three seemed interested and asked for pics, tell them about myself etc. For whatever reason, I have heard back from none of the three! I'm not that bad looking a guy, I can make myself sound more interesting than I am, and I don't say anything sexually related until the sb does. Still no response! I'm thinking about giving it a few more days and contact them again, just as a courtesy to let them know I'm still around. Unfortunately, there aren't that many HYB's in my neck of the woods and I sent a PM to all of them. I've been around enough to know that you can't force this shit on them. If they aren't interested, they aren't interested. Still I was surprised of the lack of followup responses. At least I still have the MILF pool.

Damn! After writing the above I did remember one that did respond and we've been in contact through I'm's, texts, emails, etc, with a tentative meeting set up next week. I forgot because I wouldn't consider her a HYB. Her profile says she's 32, which may mean 35, and she has some meat on her bones. She does talk a good game so I guess I'll find out next week one way or the other.

Have we all been staying inside trying to keep cool? We can turn the A / C up in the fucking chamber you know. What's everybody else been up to this week?

It has been hot this week, not only outside but in the fucking chamber with my HYB. This girl is absolutely a perfect SB for me although I am aware that at any moment she could vanish without a word. I managed 3 all nighters with her this week and so far am not tiring of her. Since I am not multifucking at the moment I haven't had any new info to share with the board.

However. 3 milfs have reentered the scene :

#1 My (only) Fling girl called to get together after a long absence, but so far we have not been able to schedule it because I don't want to give up a free night I could otherwise see my HYB. I will take my HYB any day over a randon bit of MILF strange.

#2 MILF is visiting town soon and I will have a reunion with her since my HYB is (rarely) unavailable that night. I am sexually satisfied but you know how the little head wants constant stimulation. She has no children and is tighter than a 16 yr old so she is good sport anyway.

#3 MILF who is married and a prominent citizen in her community has reentered my life asking me not to give up on her. So the specter of a repeat fucking of this love starved MILF is still on the table. I miss this one because her breasts are DD's and nips crown their surface the size of wine corks.

Now, on to the topic brought up above robbers.

I have mentioned in separate posts about these thieves, but thought it would be worth reiterating to the board at large, since I am sure I am not the only sucker who has fallen for a sob story and advanced money.

#1. HYB who is rather trashy, but hot and a decent but uninspired fuck hit me up for a free place to stay in return for service privileges. Against all advice on this board Nando junior took over and the temptation was too great. Well, you know what happened. She skipped after a number of months never to be heard from again.

#2. Trashy N 1/4 oral specialist but mediochre fucker scammed me out of advance sugar after a fairly long affair disappearing without a trace, and

#3. HYB N-1 / stripper who is super hot but a soso fucker totally disappeared after receiving gifts in spite of a discussion about the resposibilities of each partner.

The common thread here IMHO is the lack of passion and engagement in the relationship. If a girl does not seem to be into you but going through the motions one should realize that you are being set up for a fall. Many of these girls are emotionally damaged goods and as such are incapable of bonding in a normal way or dealing responsibly with their partner. They view themselves as victims and you as marks deserving of a fleecing. I can't emphasize enough the necessity of paying only as you go.

MR. I am sorry about the lack of response to your queries of these HYBs. I am not surprised at their behavior and can only guess that they are playing multiple guys off each other. Some I'm sure are on this board doing the same thing you are, but offering a better deal. Money talks and high sugar donations will get you the gold. Keep trying. I found my current HYB after a long search and a lot of luck and I only hope she lasts a long time. I lost a hot one I saw twice who I had screaming in the sheets playing her like a violin to a higher donor.

Some of you mongers are definitely more open to emotional attachment with sbs than I am. Good luck with that, guys. I wouldn't be able to handle it.

I'm not doing much with sbs at present. The last one I fucked was sb 18 more than 10 days ago. She is definitely a HYB. 23, and I think I've now fucked her as many times as I fucked sb4, definitely another HYB, although 27 and a momma. So in my mind anyway the MILF and HYB categories are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

SB4: I continue to have contact with sb4 and send her sugar from time to time. She often asks me for sugar and I usually refuse if I'm not actually opening her pussy at the time but I want to keep her around and interested so I have subsidized her a little bit. Nothing like what she asks for, but she still hasn't broken off with me. I won't get to see her again for another several months, but I exchange email with her every few weeks. I posted a pic of her HYB ass, prefuck, a while back and may post another.

SB18: My other atf. She never contacts me, never asks for sugar. One time she said after orgasm that she felt like she was tricking me into giving her sugar for something she loved to do anyway. I haven't heard from her since I last fucked her. I may post a pic of her HYB pussy.

Other sbs who am still in touch with are:

SB9, 27 and single, big boobed, somewhat fleshy though not fat (yet) , not an HYB or a MILF. She sends me emails every couple of weeks just to stay in touch. No requests for sugar. She never mentioned sugar either.

SB11, 27 and HYB. Too wham bam for me, she's contacted me several times requesting another session and / or more sugar. I don't plan to see her again.

SB3, 30 and a momma, not a HYB because her thighs are too big, a young MILF. This girl cums easily but wants her pussy fingered until she cums and squirts. Never saw this before. She never mentions sugar but contacts me every few weeks asking for another session.

Another two MILF sbs contacted me. (In writing this I realized I've fucked more sb MILFs than I thought.) I forget their sb numbers. One is a heavy girl, probably 38-9, very shy but very passionate. When I replied I asked her if she was contacting me because she wanted to get fucked again, she replied "yes!" She's never mentioned sugar. Another was my little hard working redneck trucker. She just asked if we could get together again. No mention of sugar.

Another HYB who contacted me was a 23 year old smoker with offspring. Too messy and dumb, I won't see her again. She spoke sweetly but clearly just wanted more sugar.

The only sbs I'm not still in touch with are: sb2, who was not a MILF (no kids) , not a HYB (she was chubby) .32. She never said anything about sugar until she emailed me the sugar I gave her wasn't enough. She was an office manager type and freaky for me in the sack. She squited like a fire hose the first time and slipped my dick up her butt minus the condom. Also: sb1 who moved away. 28, a HYB. Never said anything about sugar other than thanks. I posted a pic of her pussy and may post another. She was a veteran. Also the fat girl whose pussy I opened up for a pic, of course. She did contact me for another session but I'm not going there.

One thing I really like about the HYBs is that the flesh above and around their pussy is like firm rubber. You press it with a finger and the skin immediately returns to its original form. As they get older it softens up. You press on it and it

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1242174]Some of you mongers are definitely more open to emotional attachment with sbs than I am. Good luck with that, guys. I wouldn't be able to handle it.

I'm not doing much with sbs at present. The last one I fucked was sb 18 more than 10 days ago. She is definitely a HYB. 23, and I think I've now fucked her as many times as I fucked sb4, definitely another HYB, although 27 and a momma. So in my mind anyway the MILF and HYB categories are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

SB4: I continue to have contact with sb4 and send her sugar from time to time. She often asks me for sugar and I usually refuse if I'm not actually opening her pussy at the time but I want to keep her around and interested so I have subsidized her a little bit. Nothing like what she asks for, but she still hasn't broken off with me. I won't get to see her again for another several months, but I exchange email with her every few weeks. I posted a pic of her HYB ass, prefuck, a while back and may post another.

SB18: My other atf. She never contacts me, never asks for sugar. One time she said after orgasm that she felt like she was tricking me into giving her sugar for something she loved to do anyway. I haven't heard from her since I last fucked her. I may post a pic of her HYB pussy.

Other sbs who am still in touch with are:

SB9, 27 and single, big boobed, somewhat fleshy though not fat (yet) , not an HYB or a MILF. She sends me emails every couple of weeks just to stay in touch. No requests for sugar. She never mentioned sugar either.

SB11, 27 and HYB. Too wham bam for me, she's contacted me several times requesting another session and / or more sugar. I don't plan to see her again.

SB3, 30 and a momma, not a HYB because her thighs are too big, a young MILF. This girl cums easily but wants her pussy fingered until she cums and squirts. Never saw this before. She never mentions sugar but contacts me every few weeks asking for another session.

Another two MILF sbs contacted me. (In writing this I realized I've fucked more sb MILFs than I thought.) I forget their sb numbers. One is a heavy girl, probably 38-9, very shy but very passionate. When I replied I asked her if she was contacting me because she wanted to get fucked again, she replied "yes!" She's never mentioned sugar. Another was my little hard working redneck trucker. She just asked if we could get together again. No mention of sugar.

Another HYB who contacted me was a 23 year old smoker with offspring. Too messy and dumb, I won't see her again. She spoke sweetly but clearly just wanted more sugar.

The only sbs I'm not still in touch with are: sb2, who was not a MILF (no kids) , not a HYB (she was chubby).32. She never said anything about sugar until she emailed me the sugar I gave her wasn't enough. She was an office manager type and freaky for me in the sack. She squited like a fire hose the first time and slipped my dick up her butt minus the condom. Also: sb1 who moved away. 28, a HYB. Never said anything about sugar other than thanks. I posted a pic of her pussy and may post another. She was a veteran. Also the fat girl whose pussy I opened up for a pic, of course. She did contact me for another session but I'm not going there.

One thing I really like about the HYBs is that the flesh above and around their pussy is like firm rubber. You press it with a finger and the skin immediately returns to its original form. As they get older it softens up. You press on it and it[/QUOTE]"and the skin stay depressed" is how it should end. Also "squited" should be "squirted." Sorry.

Not much for me to report either. Too damn hot to be out chasing anything, pussy or otherwise, for me!

I am meeting a new SB tomorrow afternoon, though. 29, tall, dark hair, MILF w / a couple of kids, fairly attractive and sexy from her pics but time will tell. I don't know what she does but I'm starting to suspect she either is or has been in the trade - stripper, escort, etc. - as she seems quite comfortable with and even mercenary about this. That all by itself may cause me to pass on her; my experiences with strippers continues to be uniformly bad. I met another stripper not too long ago via SD4Me - 32 but looked younger, tall, dark hair, smokin' body, that actually seemed very real and nice (unlike a lot of these girls) but she was so incredibly flaky just trying to get the first meeting scheduled that I could see nothing but heartburn in the future, so I told her so and abandoned the attempt.

Here are new views of some previous sbs' confidential body parts and a pic of the rubbery pubic mound of sb18.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin; 1242224]Not much for me to report either. Too damn hot to be out chasing anything, pussy or otherwise, for me!

I am meeting a new SB tomorrow afternoon, though. 29, tall, dark hair, MILF w / a couple of kids, fairly attractive and sexy from her pics but time will tell. I don't know what she does but I'm starting to suspect she either is or has been in the trade. Stripper, escort, etc. As she seems quite comfortable with and even mercenary about this. That all by itself may cause me to pass on her; my experiences with strippers continues to be uniformly bad. I met another stripper not too long ago via SD4Me. 32 but looked younger, tall, dark hair, smokin' body, that actually seemed very real and nice (unlike a lot of these girls) but she was so incredibly flaky just trying to get the first meeting scheduled that I could see nothing but heartburn in the future, so I told her so and abandoned the attempt.[/QUOTE]Good luck, CWL.

TB2 has been flaky and cannot seem to make the times work. Had a date setup for Saturday, first hotel date. She cancelled the day of. Just think, I had just moved her to the #1 position. I never got to taste the goodies. Bummer!

TB3 had another meet and greet with her. We are on to have a ride on the wild side this weekend. She seems to be the most dependable.

TB4, she was backup to TB2, she also fizzed out. This was a typical low-rent move on her part. Sent 1/2 of sugar for gas and sitter. She never showed. Offered some lame excuses via email. (car. Accident. Cell phone. Yada yada). When will they learn, you can get away with the little, but you lose out on the bigger paydays. This is twice now I've paid some upfront, both times were a waste. That practice is over.

TB5 has purchased her roundtrip ticket for August. So that weekend seems to be ready to roll.

TB6 (I listed wrong as TB7) had some drama in her life, still wants to cum, but cannot seem to get her act together to coordinate getting the plane ticket. So I'm moving on from her. Very disappointed in this one. She was a nice HYB.

TB7 Young 25 year old African American. Great thick body, shorty, with nice assets all around. She's scheduled to get the Tigger Bounce in the TiggerChamber in a couple of weeks. We have the date time and location picked out. She's not specific with the sugar she wants, so I'll be able to provide assistance accordingly.

TB8 Smoking hot HYB. 25 year old African American. Will have first meet-and-greet this week. Sugar has only been discussed vaguely, will update you after the meet-and-greet.

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So lost 3, but gained 2 more. Lost some upfront money and wasted a hotel night. Best TiggerBounce opportunity should cum this weekend with TB3. I don't think I confirmed, so will need to work on that.

BigTigg

Time for an update. Still seeing my MILF (CSB8). Sex is still great, but she did make one request for extra sugar between visits. It was not excessive but still substantial. I complied and there have not been any subsequent requests. CSB10 (25 yr old HYB) had to go to NY for a couple of months so I had a opening in my 2 person (HYB slot) rotation which brings me to CSB11,

CSB11, (22 yr old' 5'4, HYB) and I exchanged email for a couple of months. Some on the SD site but most private. Her pictures on the site were gorgeous, definetly model quality, professionally done. She sent me other pics through email, more of the pro pics but most were private, family style pictures. I could see what she really looked like. The body was real, and even without makeup she looked great. No discussion of sugar ever took place. We met in the fucking chamber and almost immediately the discussion turned to sugar. We negotiated a amount but I was starting to feel uneasy. Proceeded to get to the task at hand where she informed me that all activities would be covered. I've never had a SB insist on a covered BJ before so I was a little taken a back (unease #2). I don't like CBJ's and have not seen providers who insisted on it. Now in her defense she proceeded to give me one of the top 5 BJ's I have ever had. Not top 5 CBJ, but top 5 ever. I have to add that she knew what to do with that pussy. All positions, very accommodating, and great skills. All in all a good experience but I could not shake the feeling that I was dealing with a pro, or semi-pro at best. Based on that I decided to keep the spot open in the rotation. Which brings me to CSB12. I'll make that a separate post.

One of the top 5 BJ's ever and sliding into home plate with a hot woman is not exactly a kick in the nuts. CSB11 was only playing the cards God gave her. I would hang onto this one. I like strong women if they are holding real cards. All relationships involve sharing power.

As suspected, the meeting yesterday was a bust. We were to meet at 2pm at a public venue; I arrived at the meeting place about 5 minutes early and texted her that I was there and what I was wearing, and got no response. About 2:15 I texted again asking if I had missed her or was she running late, again with no response. At 2:40 I left. She called a little before 3, mumbling an apology about tied up with personal stuff. I told her to forget it.

You never get a second chance to make a good first impression.

MILF or HYB, I don't much care, as long as GPS is not the problem. I see all of you referring to sb numbers. May I ask where the numbers come from? How can I see there info or profiles. Sb is PROBABLY the safest way for me to go at this point.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy804;1244114]MILF or HYB, I don't much care, as long as GPS is not the problem. I see all of you referring to sb numbers. May I ask where the numbers come from? How can I see there info or profiles. Sb is PROBABLY the safest way for me to go at this point.[/QUOTE]The numbers are just the sb mongers way of referring to their sbs. Mongers make up their own numbers. You can't find them by the sb numbers except in each mongers posts, they're utrs.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin; 1243736]As suspected, the meeting yesterday was a bust. We were to meet at 2pm at a public venue; I arrived at the meeting place about 5 minutes early and texted her that I was there and what I was wearing, and got no response. About 2:15 I texted again asking if I had missed her or was she running late, again with no response. At 2:40 I left. She called a little before 3, mumbling an apology about tied up with personal stuff. I told her to forget it.

You never get a second chance to make a good first impression.[/QUOTE]A bummer. This has happened to me too, though mainly with escorts, and not many sbs so far. One sb stood me up after I paid for a hotel room in Short Pump. I posted about this a while ago.

CWL, you've been with many more girls than I have but the least reliable, most unpunctual girl I ever knew was a sometime stripper sometime escort in LA. She drove me nuts with never showing up on time. But she was way up on my atf list because she was so beautiful, voluptuous and passionate. She's the last girl I ever fell for actually. Eventually she was too wacky, expensive and hysterical for me and I finally dropped her after four mind bending fucks over three months.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1243671]One of the top 5 BJ's ever and sliding into home plate with a hot woman is not exactly a kick in the nuts. CSB11 was only playing the cards God gave her. I would hang onto this one. I like strong women if they are holding real cards.[/QUOTE]Amen, Golf.

[QUOTE]All relationships involve sharing power.[/QUOTE]Not sure what this means in Cool's context.

Rock on, brother. Great reports.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1243671]One of the top 5 BJ's ever and sliding into home plate with a hot woman is not exactly a kick in the nuts. CSB11 was only playing the cards God gave her. I would hang onto this one. I like strong women if they are holding real cards. All relationships involve sharing power.[/QUOTE]Golf let me tell you where I'm coming from. If she is a pro or semi-pro I can not count her as a SB. That means she does not qualify for one of my SB slots. It does not mean she can't be on my provider list (who I still see on occasion) , she just can't be counted as a SB. I have encountered two other semi-pro / pro via the SD site. It happens in spite of my best efforts. After I was converted to the pursuit of SB's by Lit, I became a purist. Like all converts I may be over zealous in my interpretation of the dogma, but I try to follow the true path to the Holy Grail of UTR pussy.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1244289]Golf let me tell you where I'm coming from. If she is a pro or semi-pro I can not count her as a SB. That means she does not qualify for one of my SB sYour lots. It does not mean she can't be on my provider list (who I still see on occasion) , she just can't be counted as a SB. I have encountered two other semi-pro / pro via the SD site. It happens in spite of my best efforts. After I was converted to the pursuit of SB's by Lit, I became a purist. Like all converts I may be over zealous in my interpretation of the dogma, but I try to follow the true path to the Holy Grail of UTR pussy.[/QUOTE]Cool you are a true believer. Your reward will be the juiciest pussies, the squirmiest babes, the girls with the most violent orgasms. Perhaps you will have obstacles to achieving your goals. Perseverance and a cool head will see you through.

Bless you, my son. Your reward is not in heaven, it is on Earth, inside the vaginas of sexy women.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy804;1244114]MILF or HYB, I don't much care, as long as GPS is not the problem. I see all of you referring to sb numbers. May I ask where the numbers come from? How can I see there info or profiles. Sb is PROBABLY the safest way for me to go at this point.[/QUOTE]NiceGuy:

If you really want to get the flavor of what has and does transpire on this topic my suggestion is to spend some time going back to, or near, the beginning of this enitre thread.

You will be amused and educated by what is discussed and in turn grasp the sb numbers and much, much more.

This is truly once of the best reads on all of the usasg site. And that is saying something.

Absolutely a great group of contributors here who are no doubt having the whopping times of their quite expansives lives. (Most / all in their 50's and 60's and been around the block a few times; moi included, and getting some very young pu$$why on a regular basis).

Varoom

We all know that a pro is a pro is a pro.whether she is an active, full time practitioner of the sexly arts or a dabbler.

However, I agree with your feelings Cool. I have become enamoured with the lover on the side aspect that I am happily enjoying at present. I like the exclusiveness that comes with a true SB, and one gets to know the ebb and flow of her sexual needs.

The down side is caring too much about how the SB feels about you.

I am feeling a little waning of excitement on her part of late.not very much. But knowing her pretty well I am worried that the bloom is off the rose. Normally I wouldn't care as a multifucker but now I do regarding her since I have become a monofucker. Mind you, her attitude is still over the top and if I can get by the need for her to "love me back " I am still getting 110% performance.

I have a list of my ATF escorts who I enjoy being with when the action ebbs with my SB. I have just been so busy with SB I have no funds left over for strange.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1244737]We all know that a pro is a pro is a pro. Whether she is an active, full time practitioner of the sexly arts or a dabbler.

However, I agree with your feelings Cool. I have become enamoured with the lover on the side aspect that I am happily enjoying at present. I like the exclusiveness that comes with a true SB, and one gets to know the ebb and flow of her sexual needs.

The down side is caring too much about how the SB feels about you.

I am feeling a little waning of excitement on her part of late. Not very much. But knowing her pretty well I am worried that the bloom is off the rose. Normally I wouldn't care as a multifucker but now I do regarding her since I have become a monofucker. Mind you, her attitude is still over the top and if I can get by the need for her to "love me back " I am still getting 110% performance.

I have a list of my ATF escorts who I enjoy being with when the action ebbs with my SB. I have just been so busy with SB I have no funds left over for strange.[/QUOTE]Jeez Nando, you mean you are actually having strong emotions for a lovely young woman you are having fabulous sex with all night long, multiple nights a week when you can, and spending all your extra cash on, because she makes you feel wonderful? I AM SHOCKED!

The potential SB that stood me up Sunday texted me last evening. Apparently she had gotten canned at her job and kicked out / bailed out of the place she was living with an abusive boyfriend, was broke and needed help. (I was right, by the way. She's a stripper who's been waitressing lately.) I decided to see just how bad off this girl was, so I met her and her female friend at a cheap eatery on Broad to discuss options. We eventually ended up in a cheap motel nearby (I covered the room for them) where the friend left for a while and she attempted to express her gratitude. Apparently, her gratitude wasn't that great - it was as dead a fuck as I've experienced in years.

I probably should have gone for the friend instead. But she too was a stripper.

I'm too damn nice a guy. She had her first impression, but I gave her a second. And she failed that one too.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin; 1244819]The potential SB that stood me up Sunday texted me last evening. Apparently she had gotten canned at her job and kicked out / bailed out of the place she was living with an abusive boyfriend, was broke and needed help. (I was right, by the way. She's a stripper who's been waitressing lately.) I decided to see just how bad off this girl was, so I met her and her female friend at a cheap eatery on Broad to discuss options. We eventually ended up in a cheap motel nearby (I covered the room for them) where the friend left for a while and she attempted to express her gratitude. Apparently, her gratitude wasn't that great. It was as dead a fuck as I've experienced in years.

I probably should have gone for the friend instead. But she too was a stripper.

I'm too damn nice a guy. She had her first impression, but I gave her a second. And she failed that one too.[/QUOTE]You've got a bad run of luck going, CWL. Doesn't sound like you're having fun. I hope things turn around for you. Maybe this is just the law of averages catching up with you after all those babes you had when you were a kid.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1244803]Jeez Nando, you mean you are actually having strong emotions for a lovely young woman you are having fabulous sex with all night long, multiple nights a week when you can, and spending all your extra cash on, because she makes you feel wonderful? I AM SHOCKED![/QUOTE]Sounds like a slippery slope to me, getting emotionally involved with a sb. I don't care how good looking she is or how great the snatch is, it is merely setting up the ole SD. No way the HYB is going to have the same feelings for the old geezer that you might garner for her. She has feelings for 1) your wallet and 2) the results that the wallet can bring her way. Any other illusion on the part of a SD is just that, an illusion and a bad one at that. Keeping this in perspective will keep ole Dad from taking a BIG fall some day; (emotionally).

Plus, once a SB realizes that she has you right where she wants you, you then you become prey for her to manipulate you in ways that a clear thinking head would not permit. Not all SB's would do this, just most of them. So beware, this is a Slippery Slope and it only goes one way D-O-W-N.

All good advice Varoom, but the little head speaks with great authority. I envy you Mongers who have the emotional fortitude to keep your eye on the prize instead of getting sloppy about emotion. It must be the Latino in me. I am a very emotional guy.

I am only 40 years older than my SB. I don't see any reason why she wouldn't be passionately in love with me. LOL How many 60 yr olds get to bang 20 somethings? I'm glad I can still get it up, much less have a HYB ride it and seem to enjoy it. It is a pretty heady thing my friends, isn't it? I know most of us here are doing the same thing.

If my SB stops respecting me then I will move on. After all, her shamelessly kissing my ass and acting like she adores me is why I have stuck with only her for so long. For her part she has earned a years tuition in grad school already. It's like any business. Good customer service keeps the customer happy and returning for more. She is behaving exactly as a SB should if she wants to acquire and keep a Daddy. I see from the SD Site that there are a lot of fresh candidates just waiting to open their pussies for a new Daddy. Sadly, most of those I have met and that many of you have reported on are only good for a few fucks before they get greedy, start acting stupid, or are just incapable of any long term relationship.

I will keep riding down this slippery slop until it bottoms out. I would rather have loved and lost than never loved at all.

There's a wide range of emotional involvement in sd / sb relationships. Nando seems to be in love, Snake27 had a funeral for his sb's cell phone when she left him, Golf has long term (monogamous?) relationships but manages to avoid emotional involvement.

I use to fear I'd get romantically involved if I really enjoyed fucking a particular sb, because fucking and romance were always in some mysterious way hard wired to each other in my system. Now I don't think I will. I instinctively start to withdraw from an sb emotionally after a few trips up her vag canal. I worry the girl will get attached, dependent, expectant, whatever. It means the fucking becomes less satisfying but I really don't desire the romance because it would mess me up.

At the other end of the spectrum was a monger on another thread who said all sbs were just pigs wallowing in filth (or some such shit). This is an extreme variation of the "all sbs are working girls" mantra, which is more of a moral judgment than it is descriptive of behavior. I think this belief helps prevent involvement for some.

We never really know what is behind that smile.

Real girlfriends like us and touch us in ordinary conversation. They get mad at us for things we don't do, like when we don't make plans. They want to show us off to their friends and when we give them money to buy something they give the change back. Look at another woman passing by and they go crazy. I've never had any of this happen in a P4P situation. And that's good.

If we're seeing a girl 30 years younger, look at a woman 30 years our senior. That's what she sees looking at us, along with the photos of the presidents we carry. That should help keep it real. There is nothing real in this fantasy world which we create for ourselves, not for her.

Sorry to be a cynic but this place isn't natural and things don't last for long. It should be easy to not become involved.

I read this posted by Candlelight Kim of Connecticut. She said it all. If I've posted this before, it's worth reading again. "This profession affords me the opportunity to date interesting, educated, often affluent gentlemen without strings. This is something I honestly enjoy. Just like men like to have this sort of relationship, lots of women like it, too! There are many men I have known for some time that I would date in my "real life" but will continue to date them only as a paid companion. It keeps our boundaries clear, and the underlying reality of what our relationship is. Because we see each other on a limited basis, under as perfect conditions as we can both plan for, it creates an illusion, a fantasy world. Something that is unlikely to remain that way, should we cross the line into real world dating. This is part of the beauty of it."