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If anyone has found that "special" sensual lady older than 30, younger than 50 (or at least in looks and adult attitude) with an incall and daytime availability, please let me know. I know you're not all Nicole Lords fans, but that would be my point of comparison for an ATF.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=JonnyMaster;3994600]They are advertising again on Skip the Games for a halloween party, I would love to check it out but from what I'm reading here, its a fraud.
Has anyone attended their parties, are they real or just a set up to collect your money?[/QUOTE]To me these ads were very suspicious from the start and combined with the fraud report, I wouldn't risk it. But feel free to try.
[QUOTE=SensuousGuy;3994606]Her twitter posts and website: paytongood. [URL]freeescortsite.com[/URL] seem to lead me to think she's not into GFE, DFK or kissing at all? Am I right?[/QUOTE]You will get no DFK with Payton, so if that's something you need, she is not your woman. What you will get with Payton though is a PSE without the kissing. She will Fuck the hell out of you with her mouth, hands and pussy and you will be left breathless and completely drained. She was built for fucking and sucking cock and that's exactly what she does.
ILH.
I've seen Kaley several times. She is slim and gives a good BBBJ and a tight pussy despite her age. Nice man made c- cup boobs which is just a nice hand hold. On time and sometimes even a bit early. She's a pretty nice gal. Though she has some experience in the past she is relatively new this time around. Her price was great when she started this time around but has hiked her price up recently. Yes, GFE with DFK at least with me. No rush with me. Yes she is only out call. Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=SensuousGuy;3994648]All I can find: [URL]www.escort-galleries.com/kaley-lynn-5154[/URL].
Trying to get some insight into actual experience (GFE, DFK, LFK, laid-back vs. Rushed, etc.) but I can't find any reports other than pay-per-view (them).
Anyone spent time with her? Care to PM me?
Also she appears to be outcall only, which seriously make seeing her that much more difficult, but I do value my privacy over all else. Any suggestions on setting-up an outcall that keeps your privacy intact?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3991859]Nope, you are not the only one. I have tried several times with different numbers at different times of day and night with absolutely no response.
ILH.[/QUOTE]All the talk of her being amazing and she doesn't respond had me perplexed. Oh well. There are more fish that are more fun.
I talked to Karen just this morning. She is only seeing regulars at the moment. She is also changing her number. Sorry, boys.
[QUOTE=JohnDoe5830;3997044]All the talk of her being amazing and she doesn't respond had me perplexed. Oh well. There are more fish that are more fun.[/QUOTE]
Thanks everyone for your views on this. I really appreciate it.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;3991867]Greetings brother and welcome to Tucson.
As stated before, "you should never pay until services are rendered" or at least until you are face to face in the room with the door locked. I kind of figured it was a scam because I have never seen a swinger party advertised online, (at least not in Tucson). I used to know a swinging couple and from what they told me those party's are all word of mouth and invitation only. They actually asked me a few times when I was married, but my wife would never have went for it so I never asked. This was a long time ago and that could have changed, but I doubt it.
Good luck and welcome again.
ILH.[/QUOTE]
These people are completely fake. They just ask money and then will send an email stating party is cancelled and will refund the amount. That will. Never happen.
[QUOTE=JonnyMaster;3994600]They are advertising again on Skip the Games for a halloween party, I would love to check it out but from what I'm reading here, its a fraud.
Has anyone attended their parties, are they real or just a set up to collect your money?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MotorboatJones;3990926]I visited Karren the other day, previously referred to as Karen number 2 here. While I would agree her face isn't beautiful, her body is a 8, at least. Very nice, natural and firm tits. Her tummy is flat and muscular as she keeps herself in terrific shape.
She texted me to walk in her apartment without knocking as she was in the shower. I somehow scared her as I pulled back the curtain even though she was expecting me. Once she dried off, we get down to business. Suited me up and I got into her ass. Well worth it for the price, as previously mentioned. She is white and doesn't have a big juicy ass like I usually prefer but not many providers offer anal at such a decent rate.
She let me finish without rushing, cleaned up and bid farewell. I give this Karren my seal of approval as well.[/QUOTE]Ok. So the face at a 5. Can you compare to something? We all have different concepts of beauty. Not ugly is a vague definition. ILH may have used this description. Was she GFE ish? Or just all biz? And other deltas PM me. I thing she may have left town. But if I can catch her would like to know a bit more of what to expect. Young. . Too worn out. Shortie? Her picks make her look skinny.
I usually find that when I look at people, I can make comparisons that would help people. I can't do that with this girl. Her face and body do not match. Her body is really quite nice though I'd prefer her ass be a little thicker. She has the face of an 40 year old but the body of a 20 year old. Maybe meth or crack smoking did that but she was never a stunner in the face. I tried to focus on her body.
GFE-ish? I wouldn't go that far. She let me hop in the shower with her but there was no DFK or affection. She let me finger both holes while in there while she fondled and jerked me a little. She wasn't worn out. The pipe was still tight. She is thin and firm, I wouldn't say "skinny". She is about 5'4".
[QUOTE=LikesToPlay;3999764]Ok. So the face at a 5. Can you compare to something? We all have different concepts of beauty. Not ugly is a vague definition. ILH may have used this description. Was she GFE ish? Or just all biz? And other deltas PM me. I thing she may have left town. But if I can catch her would like to know a bit more of what to expect. Young. . Too worn out. Shortie? Her picks make her look skinny.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MotorboatJones;3997360]I talked to Karen just this morning. She is only seeing regulars at the moment. She is also changing her number. Sorry, boys.[/QUOTE]She have enough regulars? Sad. As she sounded like fun. Update us if she is open to more friends.
Thanks.
TOFTT.
There are positive reviews and one negative review on a site linked to her ad. I should have paid attention to the negative review. Just as the one reviewer said, she was on the phone alot and rushed. NOT a GFE experience at all. Wouldn't recommend for a quick bang for the buck either. Always on the phone, listed a bunch of rules, no kissing, and rushed to get it done. Did offer to hang out for the hour but I wasn't interested. Good luck fellas, still searching for cheaper quality ladies. Unfortunately not everyone can dish out $$$ for our elites every time I need to get off. Looks like Rosie is our only option. The search continues.
Are there any legit sites left anymore? Backpage was the last reliable source I found. Now sites like Skip the games and cityguidex are all full of fake bullshit ads. Anyone that posts that they are 24 years old are all going to be fake. Any picture of a girl topless or bottomless is certainly going to be fake. These scammers come off as Asians in an internet cafe posting. The text is terrible like "Looking for men for getting fuck in bedroom while I suck you" Nobody ever posts like that if they're legit. Where are the sites that aren't over run with so many fake ads that it's impossible to find anyone? When it gets to the point of looking for the uglier girls because any good looking one is going to be fake, what the f am I doing this for? Where are you guys finding the actual girls now?
Reading all this stuff about poor performing providers, crappy clubs going downhill, non-GFEs, etc. You guys need to take some hobby trips to see foreign women. It'll open your eyes. You might realize there's a world of delight out there.
[QUOTE=RoyFolker;4005146]Are there any legit sites left anymore? Backpage was the last reliable source I found. Now sites like Skip the games and cityguidex are all full of fake bullshit ads. Anyone that posts that they are 24 years old are all going to be fake. Any picture of a girl topless or bottomless is certainly going to be fake. These scammers come off as Asians in an internet cafe posting. The text is terrible like "Looking for men for getting fuck in bedroom while I suck you" Nobody ever posts like that if they're legit. Where are the sites that aren't over run with so many fake ads that it's impossible to find anyone? When it gets to the point of looking for the uglier girls because any good looking one is going to be fake, what the f am I doing this for? Where are you guys finding the actual girls now?[/QUOTE]I've utilized hose resources and have had varying levels of success.
Boy, reliving memories. I spent time in Bahrain where $$ got the most stunning Thai gal. Not for an hour, mind you. I'm talking til, like, lunch tomorrow! Half that in Bangkok. But then, the airfare kinda raises the overall cost per unit! LOL.
[QUOTE=Tanko;4005721]Reading all this stuff about poor performing providers, crappy clubs going downhill, non-GFEs, etc. You guys need to take some hobby trips to see foreign women. It'll open your eyes. You might realize there's a world of delight out there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Amorist1;4006074]Boy, reliving memories. I spent time in Bahrain where $$ got the most stunning Thai gal. Not for an hour, mind you. I'm talking til, like, lunch tomorrow! Half that in Bangkok. But then, the airfare kinda raises the overall cost per unit! LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah. The ticket overseas is the hurdle, but once you're on foreign exchange rate, things get better fast. Three parties a day overseas for the price of one "YMMV" here is worth it. Especially when you're talking a week stay is heaven. Plus the beautiful chicas are young and happy to see you. Not acting like some clock watcher here. Half of them wish they could be yours for the rest of your life if you'd let them.
Of them wish they could be yours! In fact, a friend of mine used to go to the Ukraine for a couple of weeks. Before going he'd set up many meetings w young locals under the guise of 'interviewing' for his future bride. Yeah. Competition is an interesting thing.
[QUOTE=Tanko;4007099]Yeah. The ticket overseas is the hurdle, but once you're on foreign exchange rate, things get better fast. Three parties a day overseas for the price of one "YMMV" here is worth it. Especially when you're talking a week stay is heaven. Plus the beautiful chicas are young and happy to see you. Not acting like some clock watcher here. Half of them wish they could be yours for the rest of your life if you'd let them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Karrenl;4008699]...performs at best at a 3.5[/QUOTE]Would need a scale to quantify that 3.5 ie 1-100 .
Does anyone have information on which site in Tucson is legit and works? Sugar baby sites? I registered on Secret Benefits but didn't buy any credits. Every couple days a girl contacts me but I can't see the message. It is $59 to get 10 messages. Not sure if it is a scam. I don't mind spending money if it is legit. Any info is appreciated.
[QUOTE=Amorist1;4007521]Of them wish they could be yours! In fact, a friend of mine used to go to the Ukraine for a couple of weeks. Before going he'd set up many meetings w young locals under the guise of 'interviewing' for his future bride. Yeah. Competition is an interesting thing.[/QUOTE]I've been wanting to say something pertaining to time. Initially Time was a was for a provider from staying out of hangcuffs and not to be taken so so literally. Because we all know that it's what we are doing, paying for time, not sex. That's illegal. But I do realize that we can't literally stay all day and night for a certain time frame. And something quick is okay as long as it's quick enough. But that is unfortunately realative as well. But it all shouldn't have been taken so so literally. Times up sir it's time for you to go is not cool. Unfortunately we hear about it often on here. And that's truly a shame.
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I texted Elizabeth to set up our meeting in a few days.
I sent her the hotel info and she arrived on time. I opened the door and let her in, and the fun began.
First a welcome kiss, then some DFK.
I directed her to the bed and began to bite her neck gently, then DFK, and leisurely went down on her.
Then on with a condom, and we fucked K9, then MISH, then back to K9 for the finish.
We chatted for a long while, then about 15 minutes before the end, I enjoyed a fantastic BBBJ.
A hug goodbye, and she was out the door.
I highly recommend Elizabeth if you like GFE dates.
Am I the only one who hates it when providers post here to insult one (or more) of us?
You're getting paid to deliver sex, not to enjoy it. And, yeah, god forbid a hobbyist grope you during a session. You want a guy who you find attractive and fucks you the way you want to be fucked then perhaps this hobby isn't the best place to look for that. I can't believe I actually have to say these things to a provider.
[QUOTE=Karrenl;4008699]I would like to clarify a number of things things here. I just turned 36, so yes, I look my age. Speculating about drug use is false gossip and about as accurate as saying I enjoyed my encounter in my shower after I was rudely groped without invitation by someone whose body closely resembles Humpty Dumpy with bacne and performs at best at a 3. 5. I'm choosing to take the second bit about my body looking like a 20 year old as a compliment. You seem to forget that we are people too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Uncivil;4009928]Am I the only one who hates it when providers post here to insult one (or more) of us?
You're getting paid to deliver sex, not to enjoy it. And, yeah, god forbid a hobbyist grope you during a session. You want a guy who you find attractive and fucks you the way you want to be fucked then perhaps this hobby isn't the best place to look for that. I can't believe I actually have to say these things to a provider.[/QUOTE]Yup. It actually feels like my ex is in the same room as me. Not good.
[QUOTE=Karrenl;4008699]I would like to clarify a number of things things here. I just turned 36, so yes, I look my age. Speculating about drug use is false gossip and about as accurate as saying I enjoyed my encounter in my shower after I was rudely groped without invitation by someone whose body closely resembles Humpty Dumpy with bacne and performs at best at a 3. 5. I'm choosing to take the second bit about my body looking like a 20 year old as a compliment. You seem to forget that we are people too.[/QUOTE]Hey Karren,
Just to clarify your clarification, it wasn't false gossip. I never claimed you were a junkie and clarified that in the post you quoted. I said you had bruises and because a large amount of providers are drug users, JohnDoe5830 asked if that's what I meant by "Bruises", (track marks). I clarified that it was not what I meant and that was that.
As far as you being human, I have never treated you with anything but respect. I have been polite, always shower and brush my teeth right before an appointment, always been on time, asked the rules before doing anything, have always stayed within the amount of time paid for and have never treated you like an object. Oh, and although I'm not in the best shape of my life, I wasn't the "Humpty Dumpy" guy groping you in the shower, (just wanted to point that out). The reviews I write may seem harsh at times, but I did recommend you and have obviously seen you a few times.
Sincerely,
ILH.
[QUOTE=SuckItAgain;4010383]Yup. It actually feels like my ex is in the same room as me. Not good.[/QUOTE]Yep. When a provider pays me 200 bucks per hour, then they can ***** about my weight and performance.
Lets see if we can get Aurora Moretti to make a visit here. Stellar reviews on Eccie and if she gets enough requests she make a trip.
[QUOTE=Ramrawd;4011204]Lets see if we can get Aurora Moretti to make a visit here. Stellar reviews on Eccie and if she gets enough requests she make a trip.[/QUOTE]The more of them we contact, the better our chances. It's a numbers game. How can we find others with good reviews to contact?
It has been a while since I have just tried new talent with no reviews. It was good. Even repeatable. She is thin. Flat tummy. No kids. Minimal donation and will send a face shot upon request. The add is pretty clear for her. She's very mellow laid back and willing. Seemed a little distant like Amber Foxx but I have a weakness for blondes so I'll say amber is cuter. Also like Amber she seemed pretty much open to anything you want. No real tits to talk about but a nice tiny ass tight pipe. No complaints the pic she sends might make her face a bit cuter than in real life. But she's nice. Real. Got the job done and low donation. She was on time but once there took her time getting ready. Like lots of time. But it didn't interfere with our time. Not a clock watcher.
I'll recommend. If you are looking for a doll face. I think Frankie is the way to go.
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[QUOTE=Ramrawd;4011204]Lets see if we can get Aurora Moretti to make a visit here. Stellar reviews on Eccie and if she gets enough requests she make a trip.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Panache;4011317]The more of them we contact, the better our chances. It's a numbers game. How can we find others with good reviews to contact?[/QUOTE]I have asked several traveling providers in other cities if they ever come to Tucson and a large majority of them that have been here before all say the same thing, "Tucson is full of cheap men" and "it's a waste of their time". For some reason a bunch of guys in Tucson seem to think escorts rates are negotiable. I'm not sue why that is, but to me it's the same as going to a restaurant and trying to negotiate the prices on the menu. While I agree that some escorts charge way more than they should be charging, I don't try and negotiate their rate, I just don't call them. Not sure why people think that calling them and trying to low ball them will get them anywhere, but we really need to stop it. If you don't want to pay the price posted, then don't contact them. It's really that simple guys.
There are also some among us that will not see traveling providers and only support locals for some reason. So add that to the guys that are cheap and it doesn't make Tucson look like a good place to make money. The main reason these providers travel is to go to cities that they will make money in. If the word is out that Tucson is not one of those cities then they will not visit. We actually used to get some really great traveling providers, but over the years it seems like they are skipping Tucson and just stopping in Phoenix instead. I'm not sure we can do anything to change that so it may be better just trying to get them to come to Phoenix and make the drive to see them. At least then there will be a better chance of them making AZ a permanent stopping point on their future tours.
ILH.
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[QUOTE=Uncivil;4009928]Am I the only one who hates it when providers post here to insult one (or more) of us?
You're getting paid to deliver sex, not to enjoy it. And, yeah, god forbid a hobbyist grope you during a session. You want a guy who you find attractive and fucks you the way you want to be fucked then perhaps this hobby isn't the best place to look for that. I can't believe I actually have to say these things to a provider.[/QUOTE]It happens, the forum is public, mest times we delete them but sometimes we miss them. Posts about chics are going to either be.
1. Positive and they will like them.
Or.
2. Negative, which means you won't be seeing them again so who gives a fuck.
When they come on here and work out their therapy issues like that they are just shooting themselves in the foot because nobody except guys who miss their shitty ex wives will call them.
Report the post and move on, it won't be there long.
A2.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;4012218]I have asked several traveling providers in other cities if they ever come to Tucson and a large majority of them that have been here before all say the same thing, "Tucson is full of cheap men" and "it's a waste of their time". For some reason a bunch of guys in Tucson seem to think escorts rates are negotiable. I'm not sue why that is, but to me it's the same as going to a restaurant and trying to negotiate the prices on the menu. While I agree that some escorts charge way more than they should be charging, I don't try and negotiate their rate, I just don't call them. Not sure why people think that calling them and trying to low ball them will get them anywhere, but we really need to stop it. If you don't want to pay the price posted, then don't contact them. It's really that simple guys.
There are also some among us that will not see traveling providers and only support locals for some reason. So add that to the guys that are cheap and it doesn't make Tucson look like a good place to make money. The main reason these providers travel is to go to cities that they will make money in. If the word is out that Tucson is not one of those cities then they will not visit. We actually used to get some really great traveling providers, but over the years it seems like they are skipping Tucson and just stopping in Phoenix instead. I'm not sure we can do anything to change that so it may be better just trying to get them to come to Phoenix and make the drive to see them. At least then there will be a better chance of them making AZ a permanent stopping point on their future tours.
ILH.[/QUOTE]I by no means am I complaining to what you're saying here. But it's truly sad if we have to reach-out to providers to come to Tucson. With the population, size and wealth of many make Tucsonians, there should be an applicable amount of local providers that are making enough to provide happily. Even if it was just twenty attractive (even ten) providers that looked at this as job. Men are very much visual creatures and it behooves me to see how little these providers take care of themselves physically, mentally and emotionally. Even if they don't have been gifted with all of the above, at least make the attempt to look nice. Smelling nice, and dressing appropriately. I could go on and on and on and on about so many negatives things that are here. To me it just doesn't seem to be that hard, but time and time again they fail in the most basic things. Argggggggggg. I unfortunately could go on for days.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;4012218] For some reason a bunch of guys in Tucson seem to think escorts rates are negotiable. [/QUOTE]My deep thought of the day is, for the reason that they are. Seymour Merinsky nailed it with [I]An Educated Consumer is our Best Customer[/I].
Apparently, I did not meet with her expectations. For that, I say too bad. I am a paying customer and did not put out an ad that I'm in great shape and will fuck you until you're spraying. We set up an appointment and I was well-groomed, freshly brushed and showered. When I got there, she was in the shower. I asked if I could join her and she agreed. I made it quite clear what my expectations were before even heading over and she agreed so I did not think a little squeeze here and there would offend her. Maybe that was my mistake.
I had no idea she would read my review on here. I added a very positive review on her adultlook page. My intention was to be honest for other hobbyists on this board -- not to offend Karren. Like ILH, I was very respectful of her during the visit as well. She never pulled away when I touched her so I thought it was ok. I stayed within the agreed upon time limit and paid promptly for the quick visit. I did not realize I was being rated on my performance. She told me she had an to be somewhere right after. We chatted a bit after and said I would be visiting again. I don't think she had any problem with me during the session, she just didn't like what I said about her face.
So, I apologize Karren. I think you were a good provider with reasonable rates. Since I am not your ideal client, I will take my business elsewhere.
[QUOTE=ILuvHead;4010475]Hey Karren,
Just to clarify your clarification, it wasn't false gossip. I never claimed you were a junkie and clarified that in the post you quoted. I said you had bruises and because a large amount of providers are drug users, JohnDoe5830 asked if that's what I meant by "Bruises", (track marks). I clarified that it was not what I meant and that was that.
As far as you being human, I have never treated you with anything but respect. I have been polite, always shower and brush my teeth right before an appointment, always been on time, asked the rules before doing anything, have always stayed within the amount of time paid for and have never treated you like an object. Oh, and although I'm not in the best shape of my life, I wasn't the "Humpty Dumpy" guy groping you in the shower, (just wanted to point that out). The reviews I write may seem harsh at times, but I did recommend you and have obviously seen you a few times.
Sincerely,
ILH.[/QUOTE]
I think it was Andrew Karass who used to run a seminar and his tag line was "In life you don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate". Now just HOW you negotiate is the key. Kinda like a friend used to say that everything is for sale. If you offer me a million bucks for my car, it's yours. 20 bucks, not so much.
[QUOTE=NotPhatAz;4013341]My deep thought of the day is, for the reason that they are. Seymour Merinsky nailed it with [I]An Educated Consumer is our Best Customer[/I].[/QUOTE]
I do agree that Tucson is kind of slow considering its size and population of older men. That should be a TARGET for SWs. Although if you check posts in other places, they also consider themselves "slow," except Las Vegas, LA, NYC, etc.
I've hobbied in multiple other cities, and the ladies all around generally tell me they get negotiated constantly. I don't feel it's something unique to Tucson.