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[QUOTE=ReadyForRub;4716977]A Chicago area public health doctor indicated oral sex does not violate the idea of social distancing. Her opinion said it was a good way to eliminate the possibility of swapping spit, and it helps to keep faces from coming in contact with each other.[/QUOTE]That recommendation is for monogamous (haha spellcheck tried to make that monotonous!) couples who still want to limit potential transfer, which is virtually guaranteed with kissing and other face to face contact. Just being in the same room with a new girl increases your risk, and the more people you are around the more likely you are to get it and then to spread it. I guess everything is relative but I'm not taking any chances until this virus goes away.

[QUOTE=ZzTopSterZz;4724981]That recommendation is for monogamous (haha spellcheck tried to make that monotonous!) couples who still want to limit potential transfer, which is virtually guaranteed with kissing and other face to face contact. Just being in the same room with a new girl increases your risk, and the more people you are around the more likely you are to get it and then to spread it. I guess everything is relative but I'm not taking any chances until this virus goes away.[/QUOTE]But there was no reference to monogamy in the advise.

Tried to contact 3 guys who sent me a message, all their inboxes were full. Please clear inboxes. Thanks Rocket Dork.

The good news. I just saw a report. Tucker Carlson interviewing a doctor, professor of medicine and Stanford. The doctor is saying that as the data comes in, it appears that a whole lot more people were infected with the coronavirus, as the antibodies in their bloodwork shows, but were asymptomatic the entire time. Based on this, the probably death rate is going to be more like 1 / 1000, a tenth of a percent, and not the 4 to 6 percent we've been hearing about.

The bad news. The good doctor says we don't have a vaccine and won't for some time. So if you are in an At Risk group, maybe you want to still practice your social distancing.

I'd love to try and convince myself that my almost 60 year old ass is not at risk, since I don't smoke, take care of myself, and was healthy all winter. On the other hand, I had a flu shot in October.

She used to work out of Springfield area then moved to the Peoria and Bloomington area.

[URL]https://www.missinginillinois.org/post/haley-marie-decker-18-january-20-2020-normal-mclean-county-illinois[/URL]

[QUOTE=SamSpade;4747514]The good news. I just saw a report. Tucker Carlson interviewing a doctor, professor of medicine and Stanford. The doctor is saying that as the data comes in, it appears that a whole lot more people were infected with the coronavirus, as the antibodies in their bloodwork shows, but were asymptomatic the entire time. Based on this, the probably death rate is going to be more like 1 / 1000, a tenth of a percent, and not the 4 to 6 percent we've been hearing about.

The bad news. The good doctor says we don't have a vaccine and won't for some time. So if you are in an At Risk group, maybe you want to still practice your social distancing.

I'd love to try and convince myself that my almost 60 year old ass is not at risk, since I don't smoke, take care of myself, and was healthy all winter. On the other hand, I had a flu shot in October.[/QUOTE]March 10 - April 15 40,000 people died from Covid. According to the CDC, as of today there are approx 1 million cases with 56,000 deaths which is 5.6%. That's not a political statement from either side but rather a mathmetical fact and it's all I need to know to stay away from this hobby until this all settles down.

[QUOTE=AvgJoe;4762845]March 10 - April 15 40,000 people died from Covid. According to the CDC, as of today there are approx 1 million cases with 56,000 deaths which is 5.6%. That's not a political statement from either side but rather a mathmetical fact and it's all I need to know to stay away from this hobby until this all settles down.[/QUOTE]Reported cases are being found to be dramatically smaller than actual cases, thus the inflation in your numbers. Use better ones.

[QUOTE=ReadyForRub;4763936]Reported cases are being found to be dramatically smaller than actual cases, thus the inflation in your numbers. Use better ones.[/QUOTE]Those are numbers from Fox, CNN, CDC, CNBC, the White House and almost every reporting agency. I didn't make it up so why don't you look it up yourself.

On the CDC website today, as of April 28th, recorded are 981,246 cases and 55,258 deaths which equates out to 5. 5%.

So how many actual cases are there and where do you get your info?

[QUOTE=AvgJoe;4764130]Those are numbers from Fox, CNN, CDC, CNBC, the White House and almost every reporting agency. I didn't make it up so why don't you look it up yourself.

On the CDC website today, as of April 28th, recorded are 981,246 cases and 55,258 deaths which equates out to 5. 5%.

So how many actual cases are there and where do you get your info?[/QUOTE]First of all 25% (some say 50% have it and don't know it) of people with a positive test do not develop symptoms. What that means, many have been exposed, but had no need to get tested be / c they never felt sick. Which means the percentage of people with the virus is probably much greater. Those that were tested and had zero symptoms were tested because they were in close proximity with someone that got sick and tested positive.

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus[/URL]

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-controversial-study-finding-85-of-people-with-covid-dont-have-symptoms[/URL]#Study-findings-and-concerns-from-statisticiansIt has also been documented and reported on, many deaths were automatically being coded as covid-19. (because the reimbursement rates were greater ie:

[URL]https://www.dailywire.com/news/yes-hospitals-get-paid-more-for-coronavirus-coded-patients-even-if-they-havent-been-tested[/URL]

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829506542/after-deaths-at-home-in-nyc-officials-plan-to-count-many-as-covid-19[/URL]

Lastly, if you look at the death totals and the demographics, almost all deaths were elderly and / or people with existing medical conditions. Very few, a statistically insignificant number have been young and relatively healthy, but obviously the death was significant to the victim and their family. I think we will all get exposed eventually. Social distancing just drags out the inevitable. Social distancing was implemented as a way to avoid hospitals from getting overwhelmed, not a means to keep people from catching the virus. Slow the spread, but you can't stop it.

[QUOTE=GMan25;4764517]First of all 25% (some say 50% have it and don't know it) of people with a positive test do not develop symptoms. What that means, many have been exposed, but had no need to get tested be / c they never felt sick. Which means the percentage of people with the virus is probably much greater. Those that were tested and had zero symptoms were tested because they were in close proximity with someone that got sick and tested positive.

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus[/URL]

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-controversial-study-finding-85-of-people-with-covid-dont-have-symptoms[/URL]#Study-findings-and-concerns-from-statisticiansIt has also been documented and reported on, many deaths were automatically being coded as covid-19. (because the reimbursement rates were greater ie:

[URL]https://www.dailywire.com/news/yes-hospitals-get-paid-more-for-coronavirus-coded-patients-even-if-they-havent-been-tested[/URL]

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829506542/after-deaths-at-home-in-nyc-officials-plan-to-count-many-as-covid-19[/URL]

Lastly, if you look at the death totals and the demographics, almost all deaths were elderly and / or people with existing medical conditions. Very few, a statistically insignificant number have been young and relatively healthy, but obviously the death was significant to the victim and their family. I think we will all get exposed eventually. Social distancing just drags out the inevitable. Social distancing was implemented as a way to avoid hospitals from getting overwhelmed, not a means to keep people from catching the virus. Slow the spread, but you can't stop it.[/QUOTE]I'm not an expert on Covid 19 or the reporting like some on here. All I was saying is that considering the number of cases, it's enough to keep me away from this until everything settles down. And, that's all I was saying.

To that point, it's interesting that the 3 AMP girls I see outside of their shops are now considering other careers out of fear of returning too soon. And, from what they say, several of their MP friends are considering the same. Can't wait for all this to be over so we can get back to business as usual.

[QUOTE=AvgJoe;4765219]I'm not an expert on Covid 19 or the reporting like some on here. All I was saying is that considering the number of cases, it's enough to keep me away from this until everything settles down. And, that's all I was saying.

To that point, it's interesting that the 3 AMP girls I see outside of their shops are now considering other careers out of fear of returning too soon. And, from what they say, several of their MP friends are considering the same. Can't wait for all this to be over so we can get back to business as usual.[/QUOTE]I'm out til I feel safe. I have 3 lined up for after everything settles down. Rocket Dork.

[QUOTE=RocketDork;4765248]I'm out til I feel safe. I have 3 lined up for after everything settles down. Rocket Dork.[/QUOTE]Good choice my friend.

[QUOTE=AvgJoe;4765219]I'm not an expert on Covid 19 or the reporting like some on here. All I was saying is that considering the number of cases, it's enough to keep me away from this until everything settles down. And, that's all I was saying.

To that point, it's interesting that the 3 AMP girls I see outside of their shops are now considering other careers out of fear of returning too soon. And, from what they say, several of their MP friends are considering the same. Can't wait for all this to be over so we can get back to business as usual.[/QUOTE]What others are being considered so we can BOLO for future opportunities.

[QUOTE=RocketDork;4765248]I'm out til I feel safe. I have 3 lined up for after everything settles down. Rocket Dork.[/QUOTE]If you don't mind sharing the info on the Asian woman, I will go see her next week. SaintChuck.

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4766816]If you don't mind sharing the info on the Asian woman, I will go see her next week. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]Sent you both a PM.

Has anyone else noticed an add between every two or three post? It is on every forum I look into.

Plus I can not PM anyone. Any info would help.

Thanks.

PP.

[QUOTE=AvgJoe;4765219]I'm not an expert on Covid 19 or the reporting like some on here. All I was saying is that considering the number of cases, it's enough to keep me away from this until everything settles down. And, that's all I was saying.

To that point, it's interesting that the 3 AMP girls I see outside of their shops are now considering other careers out of fear of returning too soon. And, from what they say, several of their MP friends are considering the same. Can't wait for all this to be over so we can get back to business as usual.[/QUOTE]Careers can these ladies be contemplating?

[QUOTE=HanginBalls;4783434]Careers can these ladies be contemplating?[/QUOTE]I hate to say it, but the AMP scene is going to be even shittier than it was before, when the AMP's do re-open. I have talked to 2 girls that will not return to AMP work, they will go to work at nail salons. I talked to a woman yesterday and her boss plans re-open on June 1. This woman said that she absolutely won't return on June 1 and that the earliest she would go back would be September. The AMP scene might be slim pickings when they finally re-open. SaintChuck.

Got a private message from a monger who has one post from 2005. He wanted some information. Should I give it to him? LOL Rocket Dork.

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4784274]I hate to say it, but the AMP scene is going to be even shittier than it was before, when the AMP's do re-open. I have talked to 2 girls that will not return to AMP work, they will go to work at nail salons. I talked to a woman yesterday and her boss plans re-open on June 1. This woman said that she absolutely won't return on June 1 and that the earliest she would go back would be September. The AMP scene might be slim pickings when they finally re-open. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]I hope that you are wrong sir. I stopped in at a shop in the KC K area (area still under lock down) I was greeted by 2 new ladies that were younger and cuter than the ones there in March. They weren't by any stretch of the imagination young spinners, probably a 7 on most scales. I was given good service at an expected price. My point is that the gals may change or move but I think there are others that will ready and willing to step up.

[QUOTE=RocketDork;4784589]Got a private message from a monger who has one post from 2005. He wanted some information. Should I give it to him? LOL Rocket Dork.[/QUOTE]I got a message today from a "regular" member but can't find any posts associated with the name. I'm not even answering and I wouldn't either if I were you. Interesting that 2 members with high post counts get messages asking for info at almost the same time from members with almost zero history going back several years. Very strange.

[QUOTE=AvgJoe;4785129]I got a message today from a "regular" member but can't find any posts associated with the name. I'm not even answering and I wouldn't either if I were you. Interesting that 2 members with high post counts get messages asking for info at almost the same time from members with almost zero history going back several years. Very strange.[/QUOTE]Can either of you give more details on what was being asked?

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4784274]I hate to say it, but the AMP scene is going to be even shittier than it was before, when the AMP's do re-open. I have talked to 2 girls that will not return to AMP work, they will go to work at nail salons. I talked to a woman yesterday and her boss plans re-open on June 1. This woman said that she absolutely won't return on June 1 and that the earliest she would go back would be September. The AMP scene might be slim pickings when they finally re-open. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]One girl I know has now gone into real estate and already has 1 listing. The other is going to work for a bank as a teller starting 6/1.

Another one I know says her boss who owns 3 shops is contemplating a $10-20 per hour increase for a full hour. Her thinking is that the demand will be so great that raising prices will have little effect on the business. And, she is probably right.

[QUOTE=AvgJoe;4785145]Another one I know says her boss who owns 3 shops is contemplating a $10-20 per hour increase for a full hour. Her thinking is that the demand will be so great that raising prices will have little effect on the business. And, she is probably right.[/QUOTE]Chinese shops will probably go to Korean rates, Korean shops to Vegas rates.

-w.

[QUOTE=TJGeek;4785136]Can either of you give more details on what was being asked?[/QUOTE]Sure, Chinese apartments. Wanted a list of the ones still open. Also any AMP doing business out of the back door with both requests for Chicago only.

[QUOTE=RocketDork;4784589]Got a private message from a monger who has one post from 2005. He wanted some information. Should I give it to him? LOL Rocket Dork.[/QUOTE]I generally know most of the people that PM me, they are Senior members that I have PM'd with before. When I get a PM from an unknown, I always check their profile and then decide if I am going to answer or not. A few years ago there was a spa getting a lot of attention on a daily basis. I received a PM from a lurker with ZERO reports, asking for a lot of information. I brushed it off and didn't answer. Then he kept sending me PM's about this certain spa and wouldn't stop. I finally sent him a PM telling him that I wasn't comfortable giving intel to a guy with zero posts, therefore no credibility. Then this nut job sends me a PM that he will meet up with me to prove that he is real and not Uncle LEO. Needless to say, I didn't go meet up with him. LOL. SaintChuck.

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4784274]I hate to say it, but the AMP scene is going to be even shittier than it was before, when the AMP's do re-open. I have talked to 2 girls that will not return to AMP work, they will go to work at nail salons. I talked to a woman yesterday and her boss plans re-open on June 1. This woman said that she absolutely won't return on June 1 and that the earliest she would go back would be September. The AMP scene might be slim pickings when they finally re-open. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]Who knows. Service may limited and cautious. As time goes by it get back to normal. For the girls it's quick way to make a buck.

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4784274]I hate to say it, but the AMP scene is going to be even shittier than it was before, when the AMP's do re-open. I have talked to 2 girls that will not return to AMP work, they will go to work at nail salons. I talked to a woman yesterday and her boss plans re-open on June 1. This woman said that she absolutely won't return on June 1 and that the earliest she would go back would be September. The AMP scene might be slim pickings when they finally re-open. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]For those who don't already have a nail license, at most places. Plus, two to ten dollar tips for nail work will get real old, real fast. We'll find out which girls have been addicted to the casinos, and which have been saving their money. I'm guessing that most will be back at some time. Exceptions might be like those who AvgJoe knows, who have better job qualifications and prospects.

[QUOTE=NotDeadYet;4788557]For those who don't already have a nail license, at most places. Plus, two to ten dollar tips for nail work will get real old, real fast. We'll find out which girls have been addicted to the casinos, and which have been saving their money. I'm guessing that most will be back at some time. Exceptions might be like those who AvgJoe knows, who have better job qualifications and prospects.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. These girls can and do make tons more money working at AMP's than working traditional jobs. The best part is, most if not all is tax free.

I don't understand the logic behind the whole thing with only offering 30 minute sessions. If a woman is working a 12 hour shift and can only do 30 minute sessions, potentially she can see 24 customers in a day. If they would allow 1 hour sessions then she could only see 12 customers a day. If they offered 90 minute sessions then she could only see 8 customers a day. I thought that for safety purposes they would want the staff seeing less customers, thus seeing less customers would equal less chances of contracting the virus. So can somebody please explain why they have made it so that the girls are potentially seeing far more customers. I really don't understand the logic behind this. SaintChuck.

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4815545]I don't understand the logic behind the whole thing with only offering 30 minute sessions. If a woman is working a 12 hour shift and can only do 30 minute sessions, potentially she can see 24 customers in a day. If they would allow 1 hour sessions then she could only see 12 customers a day. If they offered 90 minute sessions then she could only see 8 customers a day. I thought that for safety purposes they would want the staff seeing less customers, thus seeing less customers would equal less chances of contracting the virus. So can somebody please explain why they have made it so that the girls are potentially seeing far more customers. I really don't understand the logic behind this. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]Ask her pimp? LOL.

More action = mo money!

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4815545]I don't understand the logic behind the whole thing with only offering 30 minute sessions. If a woman is working a 12 hour shift and can only do 30 minute sessions, potentially she can see 24 customers in a day. If they would allow 1 hour sessions then she could only see 12 customers a day. If they offered 90 minute sessions then she could only see 8 customers a day. I thought that for safety purposes they would want the staff seeing less customers, thus seeing less customers would equal less chances of contracting the virus. So can somebody please explain why they have made it so that the girls are potentially seeing far more customers. I really don't understand the logic behind this. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]Probably money. The girls I know would rather do 1/2 hour massages anyway simply because they make more money. Generally about $50 an hour more.

From a safety point of view I agree with you. Less customers, less risk.

I'm also curious abut this 30 minute thing. As some of you remember, Mei and I moved to Temecula California last year but we're still running Sunshine Health from afar with our local partner Anna. Still legit by the way. So Anna has tried to convince Mei and I (or is it me) that the rules state 30 minutes. Heard some sort of pronouncement. I've heard zero from the village of Buffalo Grove though. We're aiming to re-open on June 15 pending clearance from the Village. Masks, extra sanitizing, appointments an no hanging out in the lobby.

So. What's the origin of this 30 minute thing? It's obviously riskier to see more people each day. Is there any specific mandate?

Thanks,

Bob.

[QUOTE=AvgJoe;4816992]Probably money. The girls I know would rather do 1/2 hour massages anyway simply because they make more money. Generally about $50 an hour more.

From a safety point of view I agree with you. Less customers, less risk.[/QUOTE]

We're sticking with the old rates. I feel like most people aren't swimming in cash these days. We're a few thousand in arrears on our rent, but the landlord was pretty decent about it.

Bob.

[QUOTE=Wenger;4785403]Chinese shops will probably go to Korean rates, Korean shops to Vegas rates.

-w.[/QUOTE]

I'd say all the girls I know are scared shitless to resume work. Now, granted these are mostly ordinary Chinese women who are just trying to make a living and sending money back home to China. I don't know any serious pros. (That's my official story and I'm sticking to it.).

Bob.

[QUOTE=FranklySports;4785102]I hope that you are wrong sir. I stopped in at a shop in the KC K area (area still under lock down) I was greeted by 2 new ladies that were younger and cuter than the ones there in March. They weren't by any stretch of the imagination young spinners, probably a 7 on most scales. I was given good service at an expected price. My point is that the gals may change or move but I think there are others that will ready and willing to step up.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know how to get a post removed? I tried sending to the moderator of the forum, but when I do I get a message saying that user has opted not to receive private messages. Using the Contact Us page has not gotten me a response. Someone is starting to hate me.

[QUOTE=SamSpade;4825460]Does anyone know how to get a post removed? I tried sending to the moderator of the forum, but when I do I get a message saying that user has opted not to receive private messages. Using the Contact Us page has not gotten me a response. Someone is starting to hate me.[/QUOTE]I don't think that you can delete a post after a few hours. About 4 years ago I wrote an extremely detailed report about a session that I had with a Korean provider. I didn't give her a glowing review, to say the least. A few hours after I wrote my review, she started sending me angry text messages and she was super pissed. I was going to delete the post, but had no way to do so. I don't regret making the post, the problem was that this woman knew a lot of personal info about me and I didn't want to start a pissing match with her. SaintChuck.

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4825691]I don't think that you can delete a post after a few hours. About 4 years ago I wrote an extremely detailed report about a session that I had with a Korean provider. I didn't give her a glowing review, to say the least. A few hours after I wrote my review, she started sending me angry text messages and she was super pissed. I was going to delete the post, but had no way to do so. I don't regret making the post, the problem was that this woman knew a lot of personal info about me and I didn't want to start a pissing match with her. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]Details man. Tell us the story. You can't put something out there like this without the story.

[QUOTE=SaintChuck;4825691]I don't think that you can delete a post after a few hours. About 4 years ago I wrote an extremely detailed report about a session that I had with a Korean provider. I didn't give her a glowing review, to say the least. A few hours after I wrote my review, she started sending me angry text messages and she was super pissed. I was going to delete the post, but had no way to do so. I don't regret making the post, the problem was that this woman knew a lot of personal info about me and I didn't want to start a pissing match with her. SaintChuck.[/QUOTE]Hahah. That's why I don't put details. These chic are smart, maintaining high profile life outside. Just up or down vote and some subtle info does it.

Is it just me, or has Listcrawler been hijacked? The only posts I see today are from the scammers who only leave an email address for contact. I haven't seen any of the known regulars with local phone numbers.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

- Bildo.