Delaware Douchebaggery!

So dated a girl from a referral recently and she was skittish as heck! Had good reason to be as she had been recently attacked by some idiot who was trying to scam her and when she caught the scam and decided to get away the dude cut her. She had the stitches to prove the story.

Goes something like this. Dude offers the girl a "trade" of some drugs for a date. Lays a baggie of stuff on a dresser. Girl tells me the dude was giving her a bad vibe and the stuff on the dresser didn't look packaged like stuff she normally gets. So she trusts her instincts and decides to leave. Nothing worse than an idiot who's scam is discovered and his bluff called. Instead of letting her out, he grabs a knife and lunges at her. Caught her in the side, but she was able to record the attack on her phone and get out of there! Fortunately she was smart enough to call the police and hopefully dude gets locked up.

Girl was smart in going to the PD as she can take the charge for "solicitation" a misdemeanor versus the dude who is looking at real jail time on a felony. So anyone who things stuff like this is a good idea needs to see the bigger picture: Felony versus misdemeanor. Er, that is unless Wilm PD shrugs their shoulders and says, "what? A junkie wh*re got stabbed, she got what she deserved. " Hopefully our female AG is more attuned at stopping violence against women regardless of their profession or the background.

It just makes me sick to see stuff like this. That girl is someone's daughter, sister, cousin, niece, aunt, etc. You would not treat your sister, cousin, niece or aunt that way, why with a girl who is working for her money? Anyone who thinks a girl is "less than" because she is providing needs to look in the mirror- you are a wh*remonger, what makes you any better?

Most of these girls are good people inside, just caught in the vicious cycle of drugs. Oh sure there are a few scammers or girls who play games, but most are OK and deserve to be treated as you would want your sister treated. We can out the scammers on these boards, so guys can avoid them. But let's commit to treating ALL girls providing with respect! Don't be an idiot or a Delaware Douchebag!

[I]stepping down off soapbox[/I]

[QUOTE=MoveAtMidnight;5346724]Should've known, there's never any talent in Middletown except for the AMP in town. This one tried the ol' cash and dash. She gets in my car, I hand her the $ and she takes me to a parking lot for carplay. Then she says she doesn't have protection on her but she left one in her car, tells me to drive her back to her. She then tries to get out of the car with my $, says she'll be right back. Yeah, no. Made her cough it up while she "went to her car," aka ran away and ghosted.

[URL]https://delaware.skipthegames.com/fe...n/447682082841[/URL][/QUOTE]I know it is terribly unfashionable and unPC to point out how monger could have operated differently, but it pisses me off when a dude makes a rookie mistake, when it can be easily avoided. I'll use this post as an example and hope OP understands my point is educating others on "how to" monger, rather than bashing!

Anyone dating from adverts on line could read the thread on "how to" approach dating, found here:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage&p=5347047[/URL]#post5347047.

One of the rules there is #23, Never Pay Upfront! Shoot there are even techniques in a follow up post on how to avoid not paying up front! But hey, every month we see a dude write a report on how he got ripped off and 90% of the time it is from paying up front.

The more lukers pay up front and get scammed, the more these girls will pull this stuff. It is easy money. Why flatback with some dude when he will willingly hand over money? Same con with gas money up front, paying the baby sitter or a deposit. Just don't do it!

Huge props to OP for reporting the scam! Most wouldn't do that! Kudos.

[QUOTE=Ezerbef;5482457]After reading this message five times. I still have no idea what you're trying to say. Except to state the fact that you know all their phone numbers.

But not knowing who's is who's but you know all the phone numbers.[/QUOTE]Oh look! My group of haters has emerged again!

Way back in Sept 2020, I posted pics of 3 girl in the Pic Thread. Several dudes, and this one was on of them, sent PMs wanting contact info. NONE of them offered a trade or even to trade, just had their hand out. I contacted the girls and asked if they wanted their numbers shared with dudes from here and to a girl EVERY ONE of them politely declined. I reported that declination to these dudes and since that time, those dudes ave been stalking me and jumping on any post they can. So I guess hatters got to hate!

It is sad and boring as we are all just here to help others find girls. There is no place for getting a hard-on for another dude. What good does that serve?

[QUOTE=Jthinas;5519989]But a simple phone call to the number to see if she answers and hear her voice would solve the problem. Most people forget the phone can actually make a phone call.

Assuming you using a burner phone or text app yourselves. If she doesn't answer or someone else answers just simply say sorry wrong number.[/QUOTE]Maybe you could reread that post 5 times?

I guess some have zero concept of OpSec, which is I guess fine. But intentionally ignoring stated risks IS a choice / approach of "risk management" in the hobby. From what I've read ignoring warnings didn't work out too well for Fun Times clientele.

But the simple A or B approach suggested misses a third real possibility. What if there is no answer? Then you don't have a simple answer. Now your burner or app is compromised or "burned!

Or if a female answers, how do you know that it is indeed Jaci? Could very well be an UCLE. Does everyone making the call know EXACTLY what Jaci sounds like on the phone? So yeah, go ahead, negotiate a sex-for-money date over the phone with whomever answers. Sigh.

But none-the-less, once you call that number you have exposed your phone number to whom ever is on the other end. Now your number is "known" and if LE, in their watch-list.

Hey life is about choices. One can chose to be careful or cavalier with their mongering. No right answer, just choices.

Good luck, stay safe!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5520707]Maybe you could reread that post 5 times?

I guess some have zero concept of OpSec, which is I guess fine. But intentionally ignoring stated risks IS a choice / approach of "risk management" in the hobby. From what I've read ignoring warnings didn't work out too well for Fun Times clientele.

But the simple A or B approach suggested misses a third real possibility. What if there is no answer? Then you don't have a simple answer. Now your burner or app is compromised or "burned!

Or if a female answers, how do you know that it is indeed Jaci? Could very well be an UCLE. Does everyone making the call know EXACTLY what Jaci sounds like on the phone? So yeah, go ahead, negotiate a sex-for-money date over the phone with whomever answers. Sigh.

But none-the-less, once you call that number you have exposed your phone number to whom ever is on the other end. Now your number is "known" and if LE, in their watch-list.

Hey life is about choices. One can chose to be careful or cavalier with their mongering. No right answer, just choices.
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Good luck, stay safe![/QUOTE]Not bashing in anyway. There's many text apps out there to download. To get a decent answer from her download a new one use it once and be done with it. Don't use the normal app You use for regular contacts. Was just commenting that your message seem to be really long and drawn out for something that could be a much shorter simpler answer. Sorry if you took offense.

[QUOTE=Jthinas;5522431]Not bashing in anyway. There's many text apps out there to download. To get a decent answer from her download a new one use it once and be done with it. Don't use the normal app You use for regular contacts. Was just commenting that your message seem to be really long and drawn out for something that could be a much shorter simpler answer. Sorry if you took offense.[/QUOTE]I been around this for maybe just a little while. Back in the early days before the internet you were prtetty much on your own. Yeah there were publications in Philly the City Paper and Welcomat that had ads for girls, escort service companies, and AMP's in the back of the paper. There were some real gems in there, or cruised the known areas. My first introduction to AMP's was back in the early 90's.

But with the cruising in two states (locally) came with two arrests. One I shouldn't have been. Stopped at a light and the womens yells, If I'm looking for a date. I said No I only have, (stated the dollar amount) and the next thing I knew a Badge was slapped on the windshield with hairy arm / hand and a gun at my head with the other hand. It was a UC operation. They took me a parking lot, got my info, took a polariod of me, gave me a ticket and left. I didn't have to appear.

The other. I rolled up on a women we had a discussion, I pulled away, then was red lighted. In that instance, I was put in the back of a wagon with 8 others, taken to the District, locked in a cell, for a few (6) hours and given a date to appear (a month later). Let out at 5 am vehicle was left in a lot on the other side of town. No money, the cops kept it (Rizzo style policing still continued in the city) Yes, it was a summory offense. Yes, paperwork was mailed several times to my house. I don't remember all of the charges but two were traffic, obstruction of right of way or something like that. Entered No Contest, paid and left.

The point is, I don't know with today and the internet, the Crime Blotters being posted and readily available, Police Nixle alerts and posts, etc. , along with the drama (drugs and boyfriend) and risks associated with her, why in the world would she even be considered or continued to be option / discussed?

Had this forum been avaialble back then, maybe I would never received the paper or the expereince of a Philly lock up. But I do know to minimize my risks and exposure, and do the homework. Risks VS Rewards, Little Head VS Big Head, some judgmemts get clouded at times.

[QUOTE=JRichard;5522880]I been around this for maybe just a little while. Back in the early days before the internet you were prtetty much on your own. Yeah there were publications in Philly the City Paper and Welcomat that had ads for girls, escort service companies, and AMP's in the back of the paper. There were some real gems in there, or cruised the known areas. My first introduction to AMP's was back in the early 90's.

But with the cruising in two states (locally) came with two arrests. One I shouldn't have been. Stopped at a light and the womens yells, If I'm looking for a date. I said No I only have, (stated the dollar amount) and the next thing I knew a Badge was slapped on the windshield with hairy arm / hand and a gun at my head with the other hand. It was a UC operation. They took me a parking lot, got my info, took a polariod of me, gave me a ticket and left. I didn't have to appear.

The other. I rolled up on a women we had a discussion, I pulled away, then was red lighted. In that instance, I was put in the back of a wagon with 8 others, taken to the District, locked in a cell, for a few (6) hours and given a date to appear (a month later). Let out at 5 am vehicle was left in a lot on the other side of town. No money, the cops kept it (Rizzo style policing still continued in the city) Yes, it was a summory offense. Yes, paperwork was mailed several times to my house. I don't remember all of the charges but two were traffic, obstruction of right of way or something like that. Entered No Contest, paid and left.

[u]The point is, I don't know with today and the internet, the Crime Blotters being posted and readily available, Police Nixle alerts and posts, etc. , along with the drama (drugs and boyfriend) and risks associated with her, [b]why in the world would she even be considered or continued to be option / discussed?[/b]

Had this forum been avaialble back then, maybe I would never received the paper or the expereince of a Philly lock up. [b]But I do know to minimize my risks and exposure, and do the homework. Risks VS Rewards, Little Head VS Big Head, some judgmemts get clouded at times.[/b][/u][/QUOTE]J Richard thanks for sharing your "learning experiences!" Much appreciated. There are ways to learn (experientially & "book learning") and it stinks when one gets the hits that go with the former, bad experiences. After all the point of these threads is to share info so that others can hopefully learn from those who went before and avoid many of the bad things that can happen. Your post does that quite well and it takes guts to share such, kudos.

But what appears sad to this chair, is that there appears to be many out there with the exuberance of youth, a severe lack of knowledge and cavalier attitude toward learning from history or others. That's OK, I guess, but frustrating to see. I don't want to see anyone have the kind of learning experiences you found. I suspect that had the 'net been around and "the rules" available one would have avoided both of those situations.

My perception, right or wrong, is that with the internet generation, style and form outweighs substance. If one doesn't like the style of the presentation: too wordy, long, or something else, then even though the advice might be what one needs to learn, the advice is ignored. That's sad, but the person doing that is cheating them self. Failing to learn from others because they have a 'hard-on' for the style or person. Learned long ago that you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink and you can provide information from hard won experiences but many will just ignore it because they know better (hubris) or "it's easy" or they have discounted the info due to personal animus or dislike of style. But that shouldn't stop anyone from trying or providing insight, advice or experiences.

But your last two paragraphs hit the nail on the head. The scenario presented has a level of risk that is unacceptable to most. Sure there will be a dude or two that thinks they can outsmart the system, and maybe get away with it for a while. Stuff works until it doesn't. So thanks for jumping in and sharing and perhaps your words will hit the target.

[QUOTE=Jthinas;5522431]Not bashing in anyway. There's many text apps out there to download. To get a decent answer from her download a new one use it once and be done with it. Don't use the normal app You use for regular contacts. Was just commenting that your message seem to be really long and drawn out for something that could be a much shorter simpler answer. Sorry if you took offense.[/QUOTE]Titling your post "Long Winded" when you have a recent history of animus with this chair sure comes across as "bashing". Perhaps you don't like long posts or don't have the patience to read through them? The detail is an attempt to show the risk and educate, apparently that attempt has fallen short.

But responses like that are why I go into so much detail. There are things to learn in the hobby to stay safe. I have had enough scrapes over time to know that it is always prudent to be on ones toes. [b]When something appears "risky" or sets off the Spidey Senses, then IMHO it is time to move on.[/b] There are plenty of girls available, so no need to take extra risks. I'd rather go home with blue balls than take a risk and end up with drama, danger or a record. So I try to share my experiences, however long winded they maybe, in the hope that others can avoid "bad experiences." [u] Everyone is free to ignore the advice of others and build up "knowledge" through bad experiences and The School of Hard Knocks.[/u]

But why would I want to go to all of the trouble of getting a separate app number for ONE particular SW girl? I mean, yeah, your right it CAN be done. But why? If I really wanted to date Jaci I could just scoop her off the strolls. Why would I poke the bear by responding to that advert now that the number is likely compromised? Too much risk in this evaluation.

So [b]just because one "CAN" do something, doesn't mean that they should.[/b] Every time I have found drama, trouble or "learning experiences" in the hobby have been times when I thought I was smarter than the rules, tried to "make something work" or let my little head lead. In my experience, this is one of those situations. Let sleeping dogs lie.

Everyone make choices on how they handle risk.

Good luck!

Longwinded- really? I call it a guy (s) who cares enough to take the time to try to help someone else not make a mistake that may cost him dearly. J RIchard 3 posts back explains how things turn ugly real quick.

Shampoo - (and many others) have been more than helpful to me. Thanks to you all for your insight and advise.

PH.

[QUOTE=PinHead11;5525151]Longwinded- really? I call it a guy (s) who cares enough to take the time to try to help someone else not make a mistake that may cost him dearly. J RIchard 3 posts back explains how things turn ugly real quick.

Shampoo - (and many others) have been more than helpful to me. Thanks to you all for your insight and advise.

PH.[/QUOTE]Thanks for offering the help here. No one is obligated to take the time to read it. But LE does require one to spend time and listen and acknowledge they understand their rights after they are told..........
Everyone can spend their time as they wish.

[QUOTE=StreetsOB1;5525123]Chrissy called me up and I told her I was out of town. I gave her a proposition to do. I asked her to make a video of her blowing someone and I don't want to see his face just her doing it and taking the nut and let it drop. She said fine and I cash app's her $ and she said I won't forget. Guess what she ducked me. My fault for trusting her. I thought it would be hot to watch while I was out of town with her sexiness going down on someone. Oh well screw with the guys who take care of you they won't be coming your way when word gets out you can't be trusted. I have another SW that'll do it for me.[/QUOTE]Sorry for your bad experience, stinks when one loses funds however it happens! Also stings when one goes, " DOH! What was I thinking?" been there, done that so I know what yer feeling!

That's not something I would do these days. Pay any money to a SW girl up front. Did that with a girl a couple of times: gave her funds to go cop and come back. Surprise, surprise she never came back! And I did it with her twice! LOL. So yeah, when I say "no money up front, ever", to a girl there is bad experience behind that statement! Fool me once....

These girls on drugs have no stability in their lives. They could get your funds and get jumped and robbed on the way to the Candyman. Perhaps her phone was stolen or broken? Maybe she got a free trip to Club Baylor by our buddies? Then again, they get their candy and the stuff these days is STRONG (supplemented with horse tranquilizer) and they just plain nod off and forget everything that went before. So any number of reasons why a girl doesn't follow through.

Best advice is to NEVER give a girl money upfront!

Sorry again.

It looks like "educating" guys is a lost cause. Too many Simps that think the hobby is easy, don't negotiate, pay full list price, over pay for inferior service and refuse to use the boards to ask questions and "how to" and the whole industry has degraded.

But who is going to educate the girls? If guys say "Yes!" to everything, how are they going to "get it?

I mean I have run into several girls with adverts with no naked pics on the advert. Oh I get it, they want to be private or they want to sell content. But when texting they need to send at least one naked pic. I guess many don't understand that LE is not suppose to use porno and sending a dude a pic of naked breasts usually is a way to distinguish a girl from a sting. Just because a girl has "never heard of" some technique a dude uses, doesn't mean one should violate OpSec and not ask for it. But apparently dudes race to go see girls without verifying their status.

So two recent examples are the girls who go by "Snow" and "cubofficia" on KA.

[URL]https://www.kittyads.com/ad-1992297-Looking[/URL]+for+a+good+time+call+Snow.

[URL]https://www.kittyads.com/ad-1992405-Text[/URL]+me+on+3023145653+if+you're+down+for+sex+hook+up.

So who is going to educate these girls? Just a small change to help dudes be safe, shouldn't be too much to ask? Then again, perhaps these are LE or NGO stings?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5543977]It looks like "educating" guys is a lost cause. Too many Simps that think the hobby is easy, don't negotiate, pay full list price, over pay for inferior service and refuse to use the boards to ask questions and "how to" and the whole industry has degraded.

But who is going to educate the girls? If guys say "Yes!" to everything, how are they going to "get it?

I mean I have run into several girls with adverts with no naked pics on the advert. Oh I get it, they want to be private or they want to sell content. But when texting they need to send at least one naked pic. I guess many don't understand that LE is not suppose to use porno and sending a dude a pic of naked breasts usually is a way to distinguish a girl from a sting. Just because a girl has "never heard of" some technique a dude uses, doesn't mean one should violate OpSec and not ask for it. But apparently dudes race to go see girls without verifying their status.

So two recent examples are the girls who go by "Snow" and "cubofficia" on KA.

[URL]https://www.kittyads.com/ad-1992297-Looking[/URL]+for+a+good+time+call+Snow.

[URL]https://www.kittyads.com/ad-1992405-Text[/URL]+me+on+3023145653+if+you're+down+for+sex+hook+up.

So who is going to educate these girls? Just a small change to help dudes be safe, shouldn't be too much to ask? Then again, perhaps these are LE or NGO stings?[/QUOTE]The pic is of snow and her sister. I have seen both at different times but not together. Overall excellent dates.

Regular street prices not escorts prices.

[QUOTE=BigGrip;5544134]The pic is of snow and her sister. I have seen both at different times but not together. Overall excellent dates.

Regular street prices not escorts prices.[/QUOTE]The first ad with two girls looks like Hailey, I could be wrong.

I was lead to believe she passed. In the past year it was reproted that there some "questionable" tranactions that occurred.

Here is a link from better days gone by.

[URL]https://escortindex.com/large/delaware/443-466-6826/1/16935?img=0[/URL]

[QUOTE=JRichard;5544259]The first ad with two girls looks like Hailey, I could be wrong.

I was lead to believe she passed. In the past year it was reproted that there some "questionable" tranactions that occurred.

Here is a link from better days gone by.

[URL]https://escortindex.com/large/delaware/443-466-6826/1/16935?img=0[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes that's Hailey. Never had a problem with her but YMMV.