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[QUOTE=BlufInhtr;4799946]Why should sex with no emotional attachment bother anyone?[/QUOTE]If you have to ask.

Everything about humans evolved for a reason.

Sex isn't "sex" it's part of a chain of events. People have sex as a bonding experience. Whatever makes you feel good is what you're going to stick with.

So, conversation evolved for information purposes. It's sometimes so you can determine who it's good to be around. Smiling and laughing is a signal and so on. If you combine all of those things together and you have a man and woman, then sex may happen which is yet another way to feel good around a person. That creates a couple of people who are a bonded team. Then they will then likely have a baby, which a bonded team is needed for. The baby has evolved to look and sound a certain way to make people want to take care of it.

Mentally ill people, psychopaths, very abused people, etc can be "emotionally dead" and so they don't bond with people.

You will notice that some people will "talk shit" about people "they fucked" and that's a good example. A person can give them an orgasm and they don't care about that other person, and they may even dislike them for it. I've known prostitutes who directly told me, not knowing I do this occasionally, that they think their customers are "perverts" and they can't have sex without being "high" because they're disgusted. In psychology, prostitutes who have been psych tested come up for many types of mental illness and have been called "emotionally frigid" and tend to hate men or feel little emotion for anyone. That's how so many have kids they gave up and stuff, they don't even feel for their own kids. And, drugs supply emotions those of us feel naturally.

Regarding customers, a guy might have been rejected over and over because of his looks, personality, or social status, so he's emotionally dead now to females except for the sex part, then he can just leave. He might be a psychopath that only enjoys people when there's a strong amount of stimulation "She looks like a fucked up junkie near death!" or enjoys the "hunt" or just the orgasm and doesn't care where it comes from. That explains prison sex with men, which many in Philly probably had. On the other hand, there's the guy that really wants a relationship and is starving to be around a woman, so he settles for a hooker because it's better than nothing. That person is not emotionally dead but in danger of exposing themselves to the emotionally dead.

So, the point is that if you're able to do something that is one of the most important human activities without care about its importance, there may be something wrong.

I don't typically care about any of this stuff. The reason I post it because I have constantly seen guys who sound very nice feeling sorry for these women, which is cool, but then they start to want to take care of them, as they should want to, but then get sucked into believing the emotionally dead female is going to respond to that. I saw on another board that a guy sent a girl to college after she said it was her dream, etc and of course she fucked him over. It was never her dream to go to college, or she would have been in college, not a hooker. So, that kind of stuff and wishing they were your girlfriend, etc is not healthy.

I lived out west for a few years and knew a girl who was "purchased" for 40 k because she agreed to marry a guy. She was some kind of lesbian prostitute and she, and her highly aggressive female friend, said to me, "You know, I thought that would make me happy, but I don't really like being married to him". I explained what I said here, no one can pay you to bond with them, you know, that's why you aren't happy, and plus, aren't you gay? She looked at me like she had no clue what any of it meant, and I was like, you are crazy, but didn't say that because I thought them dangerous people.

So, I'm pointing this out as a public service announcement to men here. If you're a lonely guy and just want to feel being by a woman, that's what you got to do in our world, but don't for a second think a hooker is an actual woman or that sex is all you're missing out on.

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4800305]If you have to ask.

Everything about humans evolved for a reason.

Sex isn't "sex" it's part of a chain of events. People have sex as a bonding experience. Whatever makes you feel good is what you're going to stick with.

So, conversation evolved for information purposes. It's sometimes so you can determine who it's good to be around. Smiling and laughing is a signal and so on. If you combine all of those things together and you have a man and woman, then sex may happen which is yet another way to feel good around a person. That creates a couple of people who are a bonded team. Then they will then likely have a baby, which a bonded team is needed for. The baby has evolved to look and sound a certain way to make people want to take care of it.

Mentally ill people, psychopaths, very abused people, etc can be "emotionally dead" and so they don't bond with people.

You will notice that some people will "talk shit" about people "they fucked" and that's a good example. A person can give them an orgasm and they don't care about that other person, and they may even dislike them for it. I've known prostitutes who directly told me, not knowing I do this occasionally, that they think their customers are "perverts" and they can't have sex without being "high" because they're disgusted. In psychology, prostitutes who have been psych tested come up for many types of mental illness and have been called "emotionally frigid" and tend to hate men or feel little emotion for anyone. That's how so many have kids they gave up and stuff, they don't even feel for their own kids. And, drugs supply emotions those of us feel naturally...[/QUOTE]If you hold both the women and the customers in such disdain, and feel they are less than human, I have to wonder why you follow this site?

You probably do not realize that your views are the result of centuries of Western Christian societies centuries of imposing their narrow and prudish values on others.

Many other cultures through out history have very different views on sex. Sex is a physical act. It is not necessarily an emotional act or commitment.

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4800305]If you have to ask.

Everything about humans evolved for a reason.

Sex isn't "sex" it's part of a chain of events. People have sex as a bonding experience. Whatever makes you feel good is what you're going to stick with.

So, conversation evolved for information purposes. It's sometimes so you can determine who it's good to be around. Smiling and laughing is a signal and so on. If you combine all of those things together and you have a man and woman, then sex may happen which is yet another way to feel good around a person. That creates a couple of people who are a bonded team. Then they will then likely have a baby, which a bonded team is needed for. The baby has evolved to look and sound a certain way to make people want to take care of it.

Mentally ill people, psychopaths, very abused people, etc can be "emotionally dead" and so they don't bond with people.

You will notice that some people will "talk shit" about people "they fucked" and that's a good example. A person can give them an orgasm and they don't care about that other person, and they may even dislike them for it. I've known prostitutes who directly told me, not knowing I do this occasionally, that they think their customers are "perverts" and they can't have sex without being "high" because they're disgusted. In psychology, prostitutes who have been psych tested come up for many types of mental illness and have been called "emotionally frigid" and tend to hate men or feel little emotion for anyone. That's how so many have kids they gave up and stuff, they don't even feel for their own kids. And, drugs supply emotions those of us feel naturally.[/QUOTE]1. I respectfully disagree. Males have been biologically designed to spread their sperm far and wide as possible for the thrill of sexual conquests alone. Our DNA offers evidence of this because most of the human family alive today are direct descents from a small group of males who got to reproduce like Genghis Khan. This means even if a man is in a healthy loving relationship there is a primal part of him that wants to find and concur a new woman. This is also why after you bang a hot woman a few times you loose some interest and want to find a new hot woman to bang. Smiling and laughing means little in the grand scheme of human evolution because for most of human history young males did brutal hostile takeovers when they forged their way into new lands.

2. As far as prostitutes not liking customers. Well, it's a fact that most Johns are married and on top of that many Johns have an underlying disdain for prostitutes which a prostitute can pick up on even if they don't say anything about it. So you have a situation where over time I can see a prostitute become jaded because she's seeing all these guys who are living double lives all while they look down on you and mistreat you just for being a ho.

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4800305]If you have to ask.

Everything about humans evolved for a reason.

Sex isn't "sex" it's part of a chain of events. People have sex as a bonding experience. Whatever makes you feel good is what you're going to stick with.

So, conversation evolved for information purposes. It's sometimes so you can determine who it's good to be around. Smiling and laughing is a signal and so on. If you combine all of those things together and you have a man and woman, then sex may happen which is yet another way to feel good around a person. That creates a couple of people who are a bonded team. Then they will then likely have a baby, which a bonded team is needed for. The baby has evolved to look and sound a certain way to make people want to take care of it.

Mentally ill people, psychopaths, very abused people, etc can be "emotionally dead" and so they don't bond with people.

You will notice that some people will "talk shit" about people "they fucked" and that's a good example. A person can give them an orgasm and they don't care about that other person, and they may even dislike them for it. I've known prostitutes who directly told me, not knowing I do this occasionally, that they think their customers are "perverts" and they can't have sex without being "high" because they're disgusted. In psychology, prostitutes who have been psych tested come up for many types of mental illness and have been called "emotionally frigid" and tend to hate men or feel little emotion for anyone. That's how so many have kids they gave up and stuff, they don't even feel for their own kids. And, drugs supply emotions those of us feel naturally..[/QUOTE]Your post was thought provoking, and that is what I'll take it as, although it danced on being pajaritive. Equating all cultural norms to the dominant European religious identity, I. E. Judeo Christian religious beliefs, allows presumptive arguments. Women's sexuality and sexuality in general has been for eons controlled in thought and practice by the dominant culture. So your statement on bonding and the conclusions pertaining to and the following formalized dictums may be a truism for many, but aren't for all.

The need / want for sex is a biological function. The control of and in many ways the social contract about that function is dictated by cultural mores, and or religious dogma.

As an example, in certain cultures married men have sex with feminized young boys. These boys then reach a certain age, where they start the cycle anew.

([URL]https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/an-afghan-tragedy-the-pashtun-practice-of-having-sex-with-young-boys-8911529.html?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D[/URL]#aoh=15905178598738&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&amp_tf=From %251%24's&ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.independent.co.uk[/URL]%2 Fvoices%2 Fcomment%2 Fan-afghan-tragedy-the-pashtun-practice-of-having-sex-with-young-boys-8911529. Html).

Other cultures seek to "protect" girl / women with ritual abuse.

([URL]https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/clitoridectomy-and-infibulation[/URL]).

Judeo Christian beliefs have accomplished the same thing psychologically and emotionally for women and some men. Describing sex as for bonding and or childbirth to the detriment of a woman in control of her sexuality and body. The fear if abandonment, disease etc. As well as being seen as an outcast, while men will be men, and thus it is OK to "sow their wild oats". The prevailing dogma after the black plague, amplified the cultural controls placed on women.

Sorry for this long post, but in short / long. When you exclude what happens (often on Friday / any day) at the local pickup joint you exude a point of view periscoped to that of institutionalisation of the control of women and publicly men. I do agree that many, maybe most I have no factual proof of this, of the women and men involved in selling sex are, at this point in time addicted. They may or may not have been at the start, it does not take into account other reasons. Reasons such as adventure seekers, adrenaline junkies, sexual addiction, emotional or other mental issues resultant from neglect or abuse, rebellion etc.

The real question is why is it illegal, and why would anyone simplify the issue of prostitution to drugs and the addiction to them. Some of the most famous women where companions. Mary Magdalene, Margaretha Geertruida, aka Mata Hari, and others. At one point and also today, many women without skills, down on their luck, with children, or simply thrill seekers or just enjoy sex simply look at the economics. I freely admit that the last few maybe few, but why then pornography? Sex is economics, people marry for it,; people use it; people need it. As has been said it is the oldest job in history.

[QUOTE=Lance547;4801942]1. I respectfully disagree. Males have been biologically designed to spread their sperm far and wide as possible for the thrill of sexual conquests alone. Our DNA offers evidence of this because most of the human family alive today are direct descents from a small group of males who got to reproduce like Genghis Khan. This means even if a man is in a healthy loving relationship there is a primal part of him that wants to find and concur a new woman. This is also why after you bang a hot woman a few times you loose some interest and want to find a new hot woman to bang. Smiling and laughing means little in the grand scheme of human evolution because for most of human history young males did brutal hostile takeovers when they forged their way into new lands.

2. As far as prostitutes not liking customers. Well, it's a fact that most Johns are married and on top of that many Johns have an underlying disdain for prostitutes which a prostitute can pick up on even if they don't say anything about it. So you have a situation where over time I can see a prostitute become jaded because she's seeing all these guys who are living double lives all while they look down on you and mistreat you just for being a ho.[/QUOTE]Humans evolved in cooperative groups, not alone, wandering around. Humans came from tribes of people just like apes live in.

If you try to "spread your seed" in a tribe, you're going to get killed by the women's families, LOL.

Think harder and don't just repeat you heard somewhere.

Secondly, you are wrong on your next point. No woman starts out as a loving innocent prostitute, then becomes jaded. That is delusional nonsense. You get into prostitution by being abused in some way or another, usually by men. It tends to be a psychological side effect of sexual abuse. That's especially true if your body responded to sexual stimulation and your abuser called you names and whatnot. You might think you're a ***** and become sexually obsessed. It's a classic side effect of abuse. That or a severe man hater who believes men are sexual deviants will want to "rip off" men and exploit them for money. That's why you see many hookers who are lesbians, the word is a Virago. So they're like, I gave him a hand job and he paid me a 100 bucks haha! What a sucker! Meanwhile, they also hate themselves and that's why they're involved in crime.

You have to be totally fucked up before you become a hooker, not get that way after.

It spoils the fun a bit if you realize you're buying nothing but mental ill women for sex.

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4803773] Secondly, you are wrong on your next point. No woman starts out as a loving innocent prostitute, then becomes jaded. That is delusional nonsense. You get into prostitution by being abused in some way or another, usually by men. It tends to be a psychological side effect of sexual abuse. That's especially true if your body responded to sexual stimulation and your abuser called you names and whatnot.

It spoils the fun a bit if you realize you're buying nothing but mental ill women for sex.[/QUOTE]Professionally, I know some social workers and in a conversation they revealed some very high percentage of street prostitutes are sexually abused in their teens, sadly by extended family members, step fathers or step brothers. They aren't raised in very stable family units and quickly learn that sexual favors equal money or better treatment. That's why some of the white knights on these boards need to re-evaluate their long term prospects with these SW's. They are so ruined by the time you meet them that your chances at a meaningful loving relationship are nil. Better to just hand over the Jackson, receive your service and move on.

[QUOTE=DonTrask;4805169]Professionally, I know some social workers and in a conversation they revealed some very high percentage of street prostitutes are sexually abused in their teens, sadly by extended family members, step fathers or step brothers. They aren't raised in very stable family units and quickly learn that sexual favors equal money or better treatment. That's why some of the white knights on these boards need to re-evaluate their long term prospects with these SW's. They are so ruined by the time you meet them that your chances at a meaningful loving relationship are nil. Better to just hand over the Jackson, receive your service and move on.[/QUOTE]That's been the message I've been trying to send.

I think this hobby is good for males as it allows them the freedom to try different things without much frustration. In the history of psychology brothels were legal in Germany, etc for the reason I just said. It was thought it was much better than masturbating because at least you had to make some kind of connection with a female. Also, it trained you to get used to their bodies, etc. Back then they were afraid men would spend too much time alone and become "autistic" if they didn't have women available. That could lead to never creating a family, which was the gold standard of mental health a long time ago.

Although things have changed I still think the basic concept is true. I think the occasional encounter is good especially if single. That or if you're trapped in some heinous relationship with someone that doesn't love you.

The worst case scenario is failing in love with a hooker or being a selfless awesome guy and giving your all to save a girl. I'm not being sarcastic either, women can bring out the best in men and that's a wonderful thing. But, if you do that with a sociopath, suicidal sociopath, or suicidal depressed worn out person, you are going to have a lot of problems. That person could alter your life or just leave a cancerous mystery in your head about why it didn't work.

I avoid all drugs, and for that crazy reason, a lot of people with drug issues like me. I'm like an alien to them and so they want to be my friend, want advice, etc and nothing more. But, several overdosed and died. One person was a very pretty woman and she messaged me at Christmas time a few years ago. I was at a friend's house at a party. I said I couldn't talk and would get back to her. I didn't and found out she had run into a healthcare insurance issue, then overdosed and died. She wanted me to help with this issue, which I probably could have.

Now, I do not make friends with people who have drug problems. They are like time bombs.

Related to what you've said, I knew this super attractive girl from the Kensington area years ago. She was very pretty and had an amazing body. But she would dress in insanely sexually provocative ways. She was the type that liked gangsters and so forth. Eventually, she overdosed and died. That was a shocker because it was like why? I found out that her dad was a monster and used to have poker night. He would make her give blow jobs to the guys under the table. She of course grew up, became a hooker, drug addict, went out with guys like dad, etc.

If you're to enjoy the hobby, you have to look at these girls like robots because until they're invented, getting involved with them or making friends is going to be a disaster.

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4806930]

If you're to enjoy the hobby, you have to look at these girls like robots because until they're invented, getting involved with them or making friends is going to be a disaster.[/QUOTE]Have not seen such generalizations, certitude and ego on display for like nearly a decade on these boards. I can predict what comes next. Sigh.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;4807434]Have not seen such generalizations, certitude and ego on display for like nearly a decade on these boards. I can predict what comes next. Sigh.[/QUOTE]What, exactly, is it which "comes next".

What was said by Mr Predictable isn't wrong. To be a successful monger you must NEVER loose track of exactly who / what these girls are and what the precise nature your interaction is. Because they won't. They never stop thinking of you as a John (sucker) to be exploited for money. That's why they have no problems being deceptive, stealing, or having their clients setup for robbery. Those mongers who become deluded enough to actually try to "save" these damaged women leave themselves wide open for exploitation, or worse. As the saying goes: "you can't turn a ho into a housewife". Meaning, you can't convert a damaged / corrupted woman into her opposite. Only the woman herself can change. Very few can (or even want to). And even if they're somewhat 'successful' with changing their lives, the psycho-emotional scars are still there. And however, deep and tightly repressed it is, the call of the streets (their old lifestyle) will haunt them.

Therefore, as a monger, you have to be able to separate the physical, the emotional and the mental from each other. A separation / balance of powers, if you will. Yes, you might really desire to fuck that gorgeous new girl (physical) you saw when out searching; but you can't allow yourself to become so attached to her (emotional) that you starting doing things / putting yourself in situations that a sober, un-lustful, you wouldn't ordinarily do (mental). When it comes down to it: She's still a ***** and you're still a john. That's the bottom line. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise; and actually treating them with tenderness and respect. I assure you those feelings are one sided.

**P.S. I'm I saying you should mistreat or harm these women? NO! What I am saying is that you shouldn't be naïve or trust them with anything you hold dear. That includes (but inot limited to) your life, liberty, heart, sanity, money, belongings, address, etc. *.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;4807434]Have not seen such generalizations, certitude and ego on display for like nearly a decade on these boards. I can predict what comes next. Sigh.[/QUOTE]That's nonsense.

Types of people do certain types of things and you can count on it. Certain types of people have the same kind of stories and you can count on that too.

History repeats itself is a true phrase because humans only have so many tricks and keep doing the same things over and over. ****** and Johns and killers and happy people had the exact same stories 5,000 years ago as they do today.

Yes, there are exceptions but for real, we aren't all unique snowflakes.

[QUOTE=MrPredictable;4806930]That's been the message I've been trying to send.

I think this hobby is good for males as it allows them the freedom to try different things without much frustration. In the history of psychology brothels were legal in Germany, etc for the reason I just said. It was thought it was much better than masturbating because at least you had to make some kind of connection with a female. Also, it trained you to get used to their bodies, etc. Back then they were afraid men would spend too much time alone and become "autistic" if they didn't have women available. That could lead to never creating a family, which was the gold standard of mental health a long time ago.

Although things have changed I still think the basic concept is true. I think the occasional encounter is good especially if single. That or if you're trapped in some heinous relationship with someone that doesn't love you.

The worst case scenario is failing in love with a hooker or being a selfless awesome guy and giving your all to save a girl. I'm not being sarcastic either, women can bring out the best in men and that's a wonderful thing. But, if you do that with a sociopath, suicidal sociopath, or suicidal depressed worn out person, you are going to have a lot of problems. That person could alter your life or just leave a cancerous mystery in your head about why it didn't work.

I avoid all drugs, and for that crazy reason, a lot of people with drug issues like me. I'm like an alien to them and so they want to be my friend, want advice, etc and nothing more. But, several overdosed and died. One person was a very pretty woman and she messaged me at Christmas time a few years ago. I was at a friend's house at a party. I said I couldn't talk and would get back to her. I didn't and found out she had run into a healthcare insurance issue, then overdosed and died. She wanted me to help with this issue, which I probably could have.

Now, I do not make friends with people who have drug problems. They are like time bombs.

Related to what you've said, I knew this super attractive girl from the Kensington area years ago. She was very pretty and had an amazing body. But she would dress in insanely sexually provocative ways. She was the type that liked gangsters and so forth. Eventually, she overdosed and died. That was a shocker because it was like why? I found out that her dad was a monster and used to have poker night. He would make her give blow jobs to the guys under the table. She of course grew up, became a hooker, drug addict, went out with guys like dad, etc.

If you're to enjoy the hobby, you have to look at these girls like robots because until they're invented, getting involved with them or making friends is going to be a disaster.[/QUOTE]You know I just got part of it, and I recognize and feel you pain. Insinuated in your post are many truths, surrounded by litany of generalization, that hurt more than give example to some of the reality that you speak of. The overriding reality is that many of the people that you speak of have emotional, mental, medical, issues. Some are people with other jobs that don't pay much and augment the money's they need with this economic Revenue source. There are others who do both the functionally addictive. Many high-end people have exhibited the same pattern. The functional alcoholic, The Weeknd cocaine addict, the swingers and other sexual deviant as they are classified. But when you0 lose those that you would be friends with, for reasons that seem unjust is particularly painful. You a right that giving trust to an addict is Fraught with many complications as well as many downfalls. But the best thing is to have hope and peace within yourself. You can't save anyone that doesn't want to save themselves. But you can partake of that which they are willing to give you in a reasonable way that hurts neither of you. And that's what the point of all This is. Mutually receiving that which is mutually offered. As long as you go in recognizing where each party is then all the generalizations all the calling out of white Knights is really a warning into the wind.

Get a dm question about a post, basically a quid pro quo -give me more info and I'll give you some. Check posting history. It's decent so I share. Then he asks for more. I share. Then he asks for more and I remind him of the underlying quid pro quo. He responds with a tip in fucking Edison NJ. Seriously?! On the Philly board?

Not going to name names or do something that gets me on the naughty list here but ffs (literally) this board is about sharing info that we can actually use. I don't want to hear about your hot Canadian girlfriend.

[QUOTE=JTerry26;5148801]Get a dm question about a post, basically a quid pro quo -give me more info and I'll give you some. Check posting history. It's decent so I share. Then he asks for more. I share. Then he asks for more and I remind him of the underlying quid pro quo. He responds with a tip in fucking Edison NJ. Seriously?! On the Philly board?

Not going to name names or do something that gets me on the naughty list here but ffs (literally) this board is about sharing info that we can actually use. I don't want to hear about your hot Canadian girlfriend.[/QUOTE]I usually only give one answer by PM. I have yet to have one of those people respond later!

P Chop.

I put him on my "ignore" list. If everyone legit contributes, we all benefit.

[QUOTE=PurplePorkchop;5149263]I usually only give one answer by PM. I have yet to have one of those people respond later!

P Chop.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JStokes;5161673]I was looking for a date right before halftime of the Bills Playoff game last Saturday Jan 9th so 2 in the afternoon. I pulled up to the bus stop on the right side by G St and Allegheny saw a decent looking bleach blond who said her name was Emily. She was around 30. She agrees to do a quick $20 date and we drive down to over by C and Indiana. So we start getting ready she pulls her pants and panties down and I take my pants down. Now I should mention she did take a whole bunch of clothes and small shopping bags which she threw in the back and she left her purse in the front. That should have been a no date that is when they want to throw a whole bunch of stuff in your car. It usually means they will be homeless and have been out all night and sleepy, also she had a little bit of a picked up face indicating she was a meth head which she told me she was. So also she with her own money got out after a few minutes to cop some meds she copped quickly but I wish I had left. She was talking a lot of irrational stuff about having a concealed carry permit and that she was connected to the mob. She was still somewhat friendly and I've never been in anything close to life threatening till her, So as soon as I get my hands and start fingering her she starts the up sell. I knew I would regret picking her up. I said ok ill give you $30 but that we better start right now. She then said ok but now she demands $40. I said ok but you'll have to trust me for the other $20 she agreed, then she continued to fumble in her purse and took my hand off her pussy. She said "hey your not in control here" she said she was a cop and that I should speak into the microphone I'm like wow this girl is just wacko but she was a psychopath also, so she pulled a knife and threatened to cut my dick off then pepper spray and held it to my face. I grabbed her hand with the knife and told her to just keep the money and get out, it was risky but in a confined space. She told me also that she had covid 19 virus and she started coughing. What a POS. I double mask up on dates. She said give me $100 I said I only got the other $20 please get out..[/QUOTE]Are you joking? You wear 2 masks to protect you from covid? While picking up streetwalkers? Really? Am I the only one that thinks this is funny?