"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1552414]Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.

Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.

JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Hernando. I broached the subject again yesterday during a text conversation, and she said she'll do "whatever makes [me] happy." All I need to do is find a third, I guess; she says she doesn't know anyone, although I suspect some of her friends may be up for it if she only asked.

It certainly is difficult to even schedule an interview lately, isn't it? I've been fishing pretty regularly in hopes of expanding my little black book, and my success at even getting a simple response is probably under 25 percent. Then, when I do get a response, we either can't find an agreeable time, or she falls off the radar, or she doesn't even show to the M&G. Of all the pots I've contacted, I've only met one in the last three weeks.

Must be the fall weather. Keep at it; it will happen eventually.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered.[/QUOTE]Do both of you understand that a "current" STD test doesn't mean squat until after three to six months (a liberal estimate; some medical professionals recommend a year, or ever longer) of either abstinence or exclusivity with each other? Given the latency and incubation periods of some of the more common bugs, a test done today only indicates how healthy you were a couple of weeks or months ago.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]It ended up being close to 5 days and during that time I saw her log on to the SD site. [snipped] Okay so she had a lot of stuff going on, but I didn't really appreciate going onto the SD site without txting me. I'm not naive, I just as us guys check up on other pot SBs, I know SBs do the same thing. However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.[/QUOTE]In my, not even remotely resembling, humble opinion,"no strings attached" means none on either side. Not even an obligation to let you know what's going on. Yeah, it can be irritating, but as you've acknowledged by asking, you can always dump her if it bothers you too much.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]I'll go through the trouble of a STD test if we're going to be doing uncovered activities, but just for to have covered activities?[/QUOTE]I'll point out that using a cover isn't [i]only [/i]for protection from STDs. Not that you don't know that, of course, but if she's a germophobe, she might also be paranoid about pregnancy.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]Come on. And while the initial allowance she wanted was fairly modest, my CPO is increasing noticeably because her place is a no-go and she's talking about going to day spas and such. And with her out of school and not working, she might be venturing to nando1 territory and will keep looking for other SDs since she now has a lot of time on her hands.[/QUOTE]This is the one that raises the most red flags for me. If she's hinting now, and you are seeing the potential, that expenses might increase, you have to decide whether or not it's worth it. Good luck with that. LOL.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?[/QUOTE]I don't see the two options as mutually exclusive, except from a budgetary standpoint, and keeping her on the line shouldn't really cost that much. After all, if she wants more, she knows how to get it, right?

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[QUOTE=Hernando;1552414]Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JoesParty;1552456]It certainly is difficult to even schedule an interview lately, isn't it? I've been fishing pretty regularly in hopes of expanding my little black book, and my success at even getting a simple response is probably under 25 percent. Then, when I do get a response, we either can't find an agreeable time, or she falls off the radar, or she doesn't even show to the M&G. Of all the pots I've contacted, I've only met one in the last three weeks.[/QUOTE]Your travails remind me of when I was chasing strippers regularly. Give out my number a hundred times to girls who say they're interested in something more, and I'd be lucky if half of them *ever* called me back at all. Of those, most would just want me to come into the club to spend more money, or just drive to their house and *give* them money. Fewer than five percent ever ended up on a "date", and of those only a few were worth repeating more than a few times.

Which, of course, is the reason I'm here. The one gem that keeps *me* calling back.

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[QUOTE=Hernando; 1552414]Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.

Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.

JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.[/QUOTE]I try to meet at least one new girl a week. And yes I do appreciate my ATF a lot more lately. She is a totally straight church going nurse. I am the only guy she has sex with. Lucky me. And this week she is staying over for 2 consecutive nights. Total damage this week should be $$$ tops for 48 hours of sexy fun. Maybe its easier in L. A. There are so many girls. Got an interview at my house in about an hour. 25. 5.9. 130

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1552456]All I need to do is find a third, I guess; she says she doesn't know anyone, although I suspect some of her friends may be up for it if she only asked.[/QUOTE]Joe,

My suggestion is that you take you bi baby into the lifestyle world. As a couple, looking for a third bi woman to join you. Her youth will have you two in heavy demand. You will be able to pick and choose your options. But you have to stay in the younger group to find other bi girls in her age range. Or you could set up a new profile where you are a couple looking for a bi baby to play with you. The only negative to that one is your CPO automatically doubles.

SubCmdr out

Good Nite. Picked this one up from sd4me. 26. 5.9. 130. Met her at the train station and drove her to my place. New girl. Very passionate. And worth repeating. The shy but horny type. She is a young MILF, as about half of them are. Really cute and excellent oral skills. Good lover. And laughed at my jokes. Total damage $. She would need some real fixing up to be at the allowance level. But for an occasional no problem.

This is my current #1. Have her on a per date arrangement. Found her on sd4me. The only place I go. But I see her once a week for 24 to 48 hours at a stretch. Averaging about $$$ total per week for everything.

Folks,

Thank you for this thread. Learned a lot from here. Just got a membership on SA. Already getting some chatting w / some SBs.

Got one MILF (GPS type) asking for 5-7k monthly and telling me that this is the norm. Thanks for this thread, I politely told her that I don't believe that is the norm.

What is the typical way for allowance (per session or monthly in advanced )? I don't think any SB would want monthly towards the end of the month. I personally prefer per-session, but seems that some SBs do not like per-session (seems like a Nado#2. Escort type).

After reading thr. This thread, it seems like per session allowance is ranging $ to $$$ in average. ? (Still learning the CPO. Metrics.)

Any expert here can provide some of your experiences?

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Hernando;1552414]JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.[/QUOTE]So I had a long talk with my SB today and that's basically what I'm going to be doing. I was telling her my grievances and was in the process of ending things. But she was very apologetic and seemed to have a sincere desire to keep things going. I told her I would only continue things if I got the test we would go bareback. She agreed. Also she offered to have some "fun" video chats to make up for her living situation changing. And I had her assure me that she was content with the current allowance I was giving her.

So I'm going to get the test (I better pass, LOL) and see if she's the real deal. She's extremely hot, supposedly freaky in bed, has a great personality and we get along great. Now that there's a better incentive for me to get tested and she is loosely aware of my CPO budget, it's worth it to me to give her another shot. She might be able to get back up to 5/6 on my ISBE scale. We'll see.

[quote= Zomby]Do both of you understand that a "current" STD test doesn't mean squat until after three to six months (a liberal estimate; some medical professionals recommend a year, or ever longer) of either abstinence or exclusivity with each other? Given the latency and incubation periods of some of the more common bugs, a test done today only indicates how healthy you were a couple of weeks or months ago.[/quote]I'm well aware of this. STD tests are basically just "historical" documents. It tells you what someone was up to 6-12 months ago. That said, it's her body and if a STD test will give her peace of mind, I'll respect her wishes. I'll either take the test or find another girl who doesn't require it. But I'm not going to pressure or try to convince a girl why a STD test is pretty much useless in these situations. We all have our little quirks that gives us comfort to take on the risks of being in the Sugar Bowl.

[quote=Zomby]In my, not even remotely resembling, humble opinion,"no strings attached" means none on either side. Not even an obligation to let you know what's going on. Yeah, it can be irritating, but as you've acknowledged by asking, you can always dump her if it bothers you too much.[/quote]Our arrangement though wasn't / isn't completely NSA. Part of our thing is talking / txting daily. She also stated multiple times that she wants a long-term SD relationship, so it's not exactly no strings attached and that's why except for that 4-5 day stretch she has contacted me daily since it's in her best interest. I've had purely NSA SBs where I only talk with them to setup a meet and that's all. With those kind of SBs I would have no problem if they just disappeared or did whatever. However with "6/6 SB" (yeah, I might as well still use it as her nickname) , we have our boundaries but she's basically a full-time SB not just on the hookups. So an abrupt week absence on either our part will not go unnoticed.

[quote]I don't see the two options as mutually exclusive, except from a budgetary standpoint, and keeping her on the line shouldn't really cost that much. After all, if she wants more, she knows how to get it, right?[/quote]Since we're going to be barebacking she said (without me asking) she's only going to be seeing me (yeah right, LOL). But I like that she's going to make an effort to at least give the allusion that I'm the only one she's seeing. That's good enough for me.

As mentioned before, she's looking for something consistent even if the allowance is relatively modest. She's tired of guys offering her lots of money for basically one night stands and then never seeing them again. Plus it seems she truly enjoys the SD / SB experience of talking with her daddy regularly (she has daddy issues).

Now I got to figure out what I'm going to do with the hot Asian college SB I had planned to meet next weekend. Unfortunately I don't have the budget nor time for both. Both girls require driving a 4 hour round trip, where I'm basically gone for a whole day. I only get that much free "off the grid" time 2-3 times a month. It's a "either or" situation since both have almost identical allowances and occupy the same slots on my schedule. I guess I need to figure out a smooth way to put the Asian SB on the backburner. It's going to be tough since she was ready to go.

As mentioned in my previous message, my SB suggested we do some explicit video chats. Definitely sounds fun but I figured I would get your guys feedback on this as well since I'm a bit cautious with these type of things.

I know quite a few guys on these forums take personal pics even vids of their escapades. I've always been a bit skittish doing things like this but I'm not some politician or celebrity, so I highly doubt video chat starring me would get much traction at all. That said, there's always the issue of blackmail if she recorded the video chat. But I could record her as well and since I know her personal information already, it would be mutually assured destruction.

While video chat is obviously more graphic, plenty of guys here have done sexting with their SBs, which carries similar risks. But before I start thinking entirely with the little head, I just wanted to make sure I'm not completely crazy to entertain the idea of an explicit video chat and I wondered if anyone has done anything similar. It would definitely help me get more bang for the allowance I'm giving if I can tell her to pleasure herself on cam between visits.

Chatting w / more pot SBs and I think I can answer my own question: Most of the pot SBs I chatted with are okay w/"allowance per session" model after I said,"we don't know each other yet, so would like to keep "per session" model initially". .

Got some very good feedback from some brothers here about the CPO. (Thank you!) Definitely need to stick w / the budget and keep the thinking out from the little head. Was able to negotiate down some of the pot SBs down as well. Trying to setup M&G w / several pot SBs and see whether we can go anywhere. Wish me luck. .

[QUOTE=Dog Rice; 1552832]Folks,

Thank you for this thread. Learned a lot from here. Just got a membership on SA. Already getting some chatting w / some SBs.

Got one MILF (GPS type) asking for 5-7k monthly and telling me that this is the norm. Thanks for this thread, I politely told her that I don't believe that is the norm.

What is the typical way for allowance (per session or monthly in advanced )? I don't think any SB would want monthly towards the end of the month. I personally prefer per-session, but seems that some SBs do not like per-session (seems like a Nado#2. Escort type).

After reading thr. This thread, it seems like per session allowance is ranging $ to $$$ in average. ? (Still learning the CPO. Metrics.)

Any expert here can provide some of your experiences?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1552850]But before I start thinking entirely with the little head, I just wanted to make sure I'm not completely crazy to entertain the idea of an explicit video chat and I wondered if anyone has done anything similar.[/QUOTE]John,

To me, it sounds like a great idea, until it doesn't! Whenever we start out on a new relationship with a Shiny New Baby, everything is sweetness and light! Naked pics of me in the mirror of my bathroom at home? Sure! Skype with me in my office with the door closed? Ok! Naked video chats in the den at home while the wife is out of town? You bet! Hot with two "t's", right?

Now imagine those same things, saved on a scorned or dumped or just vanished baby's hard drive, three months after the breakup, when she hasn't been able to set anything else up, and the rent is past due, and she's acquired a little bit of a coke habit as well. If she doesn't already have an idea who you really are, she's going to start looking, and what if she finds you? All it takes is one polite waitress bringing back your credit card receipt and thanking you by name, and now you're totally vulnerable.

I"m not sure I could sleep well, if at all, knowing that shit was out there on me! I sent a sext with pic to a baby in my early days, and immediately regretted it, since the arrangement didn't go anywhere, but now there was this photo of me, in our master bathroom, that even if she were half blind my SO could identify.

As fun as it sounds, I wouldn't do it, or at least wouldn't do it mutually. If she wants to send you a video clip of her petting the kitty, by all means encourage it. You have [I]way[/I] more to lose than she does, and there is no such thing as mutually-assured destruction in the Bowl. Daddies always lose bigger!

Just my opinion, but I think a reasonable one nonetheless. Brothers?

Scott.

PS - In other news, yes, I have had a run of really bad luck lately. 2 psychos, several no shows, several no thanks, one who I put a lot of work into and then who just vanished, and the rest just didn't do it for me, even after a few dates and some making out. I guess I'm getting pickier in my old age, though shouldn't it be the other way around? Who knows?

In a real shitty turn of events, my ATF, the one who broke my heart, is back on SA, and so far has read but not replied to my three messages, so I think I'll send about 15 to 20 more, and if still no answer from her, I'll begin to get the hint! Ah well, this is the way things go in this strange but wonderful world.

My life has not been entirely baby-free, however. Naughty Brit and I have had several get-togethers, I've had a couple one and dones, and have had very good luck on the road, so all in all, I can't complain. If I could just manage to get my local situation sorted out, I'd be a happy fellow indeed.

I have several m&gs set up for this week, including what I hope will be a delightful picnic on the lakefront tomorrow, so I remain optimistic, despite my recent performance, or lack thereof.

Lastly, the magnificent Polo is making sounds as if our riding lessons are finally able to resume. Kids are well back in school, husband is back at work, family stuff is underway and under control, and her little pony is apparently missing Scottie and me something fierce. Hooray for me! I wondered if we might incorporate all our tricks into one fantastic lesson - tooth paste, scarves and spanking, and was met with an enthusiastic yes. She even hinted that she might have a few more ideas, but what those could be I can't, at this point, fathom. I may have to double up on my meds, Good Lord! I'll be sure to file a report. I enquired after the current freckle count, and apparently I will just have to tally then myself! Giddy up, I say!

On a final note, I'm glad to see so many new, and active, brothers contributing to what must surely be the best thread on the entire site. Some guys have tried to get something similar going up in my neck of the woods, but they are concentrating solely on CL and BP, and so are only scoring hookers pretending to be babies, if that.

Keep up the good work, my friends, and Nando, sorry to hear how things stand for you at the moment, but glad to see you posting again. There aren't that many of us old members still reporting to the clubhouse it seems, but maybe that's the way of things. Who knows?

I will do my best to accumulate valuable and contributory information and experiences in the coming months.

Peace,

S

It's good to see so many newbies and great reports. I love this thread, we actually tend to help each other out. My activities have been all over the place. Currently working on one Coed-Cutie. 21 hot body be cups and cute bottom. M&G went great, a 2 hour breakfast at a nice hideaway spot. Her monthly damage amount is very reasonable, especially if I can actually see her once a month. We have date #2 setup this week. Dinner / Movie and prob a little making out to keep my night reasonable. .

I have another 30yr old SB who is definitely the young MILF type. Nice rack and cute body. I'll be seeing her 2 to 4 days a month. I've already had the TiggaBounce with her from the first M&G. Great attitude and wonderful personality. I'll be keeping her around for a while. Damage is also minimum there.

I met one on SA and one on sddie.

Here is a quick cut and paste to save a little time. When the girls are pushing for answers early on. Please change the words so we all don't sound like a bunch of robots. I don't so the endless emails and txting. I try to KISS as much as possible prior to a m&g.

"so, as to what kind of an arrangement am I looking for. Until we get to know each other it's impossible to say and too premature to think about. I have had a # of first dates off this site and a few that led to something more (monthly allowances). So anything is possible with the right person."

Or.

"if I met someone and we really liked each other, then it could turn into something more. I have been meeting people off this site for some time now and a few times it did get serious (monthly allowance). So I guess anything is possible."

Please reword for your own use. And have fun

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1553685]Here is a quick cut and paste to save a little time. When the girls are pushing for answers early on. Please change the words so we all don't sound like a bunch of robots. I don't so the endless emails and txting. I try to KISS as much as possible prior to a m&g.

"so, as to what kind of an arrangement am I looking for. Until we get to know each other it's impossible to say and too premature to think about. I have had a # of first dates off this site and a few that led to something more (monthly allowances). So anything is possible with the right person."

Or.

"if I met someone and we really liked each other, then it could turn into something more. I have been meeting people off this site for some time now and a few times it did get serious (monthly allowance). So I guess anything is possible."

Please reword for your own use. And have fun[/QUOTE]Good spelling doesn't hurt either.