General Reports

I have to say that although I did not meet as many girls my experience has been the same. Tried tagged, moco, and others. Girls on those sites want husbands plain and simple. If you even suggest that you're not looking to be serious or you just want an arrangement they get an attitude. Huge waist of time. I know some folks have had good success and clearly I'm doing something wrong.

Moved on to whatsyourprice. I assumed that clearly the women understand that the "generous" guys are looking for some no drama action. But the women don't understand how it really works. They really believe that guys are paying $$ just to take them out. Not only that they believe that a "date" (as in dinner and movie) starts at $100.

In all truth did have a bit of success with some BBW types in terms of fair pricing and expectations. But you can get that from BP and CL so nothing gained there. There are some pretty hot women that understand the game. But the pricing for the "dates" for the attractive girls is weigh out of line in my opinion. The girls have dreams of sugar daddy arrangements with guys paying hundreds to thousands per month just to know them. Offered $60 with hopes of offering more when it was time to get to the real reason for the date. Expect rejection. What's worse is you can't have a conversation about what to expect on the date. You agree to the price BEFORE you can communicate.

I agree completely with the assessment that a lot of these women are recent divorcees, recently laid off, students, and single moms trying to make ends meet. So expect lots of drama and pleas for help or very, very expensive fishing expeditions.

[QUOTE=ShortFoot; 1365763]FWIW most of the girls on these social media sites are train wrecks waiting to happen. Here's one guys experience:

[i]You would never believe the trainwrecks I've seen if you don't go there yourself. Last January I lost my ATF for a while, so I went in search of a SB. Did a lot of research. Joined, over time. 4 different sites: ArrangementSeekers. Com, SugarDaddie. Com, SugarDaddie4u. Com and ultimately what I felt was / is the best: SeekingArrangements. Com. I'm in Tampa, and just on the SA website there are currently 1400 profiles of girls between 18-35 looking for an arrangement. Over 5500 in the state. From February 2011 thru October 2011:

-made contact with well over 200 girls.

-met approx 40 in person.

-had BCD playtime with 12 (two gave me BJ's in my car on our first meeting)

The Good:

-met the cutest, tiniest 19 why / o Dominican Republic girl. Nicest natural tits I've ever seen. I see her about once a month (she's about 90 minutes away. Can't see weekly). Has a kid. But tightest body you'll ever see. Take her to Walmart shopping, then 2-3 hours playing for 300.

-met a clear 10/10 from the Miami area. Makes more money than I do. Just looking for an older gentleman that she enjoys being with. She just turned 29, she's African-American. Married / divorced to a 55 why / o white guy when she was 22. Drives a Range Rover. Costs me. NOTHING. Just expenses and shopping. Problem is distance. And she likes to shop.

The Bad:

-NCNS at least 15 times.

-almost run over by "former European Playmate"

-ripped off twice.

-spent $94 on lunch at a Red Lobster (first, who goes to a Red Lobster, and 2nd, my lunch was $17. What does that tell you)

-two escorts!

-drove 100 miles to meet 21 why / o college student only to find out she was an 18 yr old high school student. Who wanted me to "mentor" her. Because. She was still a virgin.

-met one lady who was older, uglier, shorter and wider than her pics. Went thru with dinner, was nice to her, but then left. Two days later she starts trying to extort $ from me for rent, etc.

-my last. Courtney. HOT Girl. First date we have lunch, then walk thru the mall. All is going great. We walk into Bebe, I tell her to pick out "A" dress. 45 minutes later, there are $1500 of clothes at the cash register. I told her to pick out one. I'm not buying them all. She gets pissed, turns and walks out the door of the store. I follow her out the door. Then I stop and say to myself,"Wake the F*k up!" And I just let her go. It was then that I said I was done.

But that's it. [b]I have found that 99% of these girls say they are looking for a mutually beneficial relationship. To them that means: take as much as you can from the guy, say what you need to get comfortable before you play, then disappear. [/b]

Most of the girls are single moms with no income, or trying to work with no income for school. [b]There are some REALLY, REALLY nice girls. But you shouldn't even consider going into this without being able to commit $3000 to $5000 a month in support plus all the play money you spend on them. Anything less than that and you are shopping for trainwrecks like me. Granted, I found a couple. But the time and money I wasted looking could have bought alot of time with ladies here. I never thought I'd say I'd look forward to returning to the "safety of the hobby."[/b] [/i][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShortFoot; 1365763]FWIW most of the girls on these social media sites are train wrecks waiting to happen. Here's one guys experience:

But that's it. [b]I have found that 99% of these girls say they are looking for a mutually beneficial relationship. To them that means: take as much as you can from the guy, say what you need to get comfortable before you play, then disappear. [/b][/QUOTE]This sounds a lot like marriage!

I like the discussion around some of the alternative methods of finding women, specifically the SugarXXX sites, Ashley Madison, AFF, dinner-dates and such. I have tried several with mixed results but some success. I thought I would point out a great source of information on this subject.

[url]http://www.USASexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not[/url]

Has over 1000 pages of discussions on these sources. It is a wealth of knowledge with some great pointers if you want to take the time going through it.

I think almost every one out there wants to find a easy, cheap, amateur with no strings. If you find a reliable source share it.

I've been following this thread for a while and it's good reading. You've got to be a high dollar poon hound to chase most tail of this magnitude. Still, good vicarious reading, and I'd probably be doing it if I could! I took a looksee in SugarDaddy4me and most of the local babes were fugugly.

[QUOTE=Nickster53; 1366568]I like the discussion around some of the alternative methods of finding women, specifically the SugarXXX sites, Ashley Madison, AFF, dinner-dates and such. I have tried several with mixed results but some success. I thought I would point out a great source of information on this subject.

[url]http://www.USASexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not[/url]

Has over 1000 pages of discussions on these sources. It is a wealth of knowledge with some great pointers if you want to take the time going through it.

I think almost every one out there wants to find a easy, cheap, amateur with no strings. If you find a reliable source share it.[/QUOTE]

I think every guy should make it a mission to visit an FKK at least once in a lifetime! I was in Germany a couple of weeks ago and visited a couple of FKK's (Oase and World). I could not stop drooling at the pretty gals walking around! I lost count on the number of gals I fucked, I screwed until my dick/brain became unconscious! Rates: $65/hhr or $130hr. Girls with similar looks here would probably charge $350++!

Typical FKK girls: [url]http://www.fkk-colosseum.com/video/film.swf[/url]

[QUOTE=ShortFoot; 1367213]I think every guy should make it a mission to visit an FKK at least once in a lifetime! I was in Germany a couple of weeks ago and visited a couple of FKK's (Oase and World). I could not stop drooling at the pretty gals walking around! I lost count on the number of gals I fucked, I screwed until my dick / brain became unconscious! Rates: $65 / hhr or $130hr. Girls with similar looks here would probably charge $350++!

Typical FKK girls:

[url]http://www.fkk-colosseum.com/video/film.swf[/url][/QUOTE]That cheap? Seems like they were around that price range back in the 1980s.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1367288]That cheap? Seems like they were around that price range back in the 1980s.[/QUOTE]The fall of communism in the Eastern Bloc unleashed a rain of Slavic pussy upon Western Europe, as reflected in current FKK pricing (90% of those girls are Russian and Ukrainian!)

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias; 1367337]The fall of communism in the Eastern Bloc unleashed a rain of Slavic pussy upon Western Europe, as reflected in current FKK pricing (90% of those girls are Russian and Ukrainian!)

O.[/QUOTE]I'm quite aware of that but those former Eastern Bloc girls have learned quite quickly how to raise prices, at least here in the US.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1367457]I'm quite aware of that but those former Eastern Bloc girls have learned quite quickly how to raise prices, at least here in the US.[/QUOTE]They tend to be expensive in places where they are "exotic"; you'll find Russian girls in Bangkok, for example, charging $200+ per hour (very expensive P2P for that city) , and of course they can charge a premium here for the same reason (funny how, in a place where there are plenty of blondes, the Russians, etc. Still rate as "exotic", I suppose because (I) the accent and (ii) generally they aren't fat).

Closer to home, though, they're affordable (*in* Russia, for example) ; Germany is close enough that there's a glut of these girls.

The magical (if that's the word) thing about Eastern Europe is that it's essentially the "white third world": you have these tall, blond, blue-eyed modelesque girls with the desperate peasant mentality of a Chiang Mai farm girl. It's an interesting phenomenon.

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias; 1367522]They tend to be expensive in places where they are "exotic"; you'll find Russian girls in Bangkok, for example, charging $200+ per hour (very expensive P2P for that city) , and of course they can charge a premium here for the same reason (funny how, in a place where there are plenty of blondes, the Russians, etc. Still rate as "exotic", I suppose because (I) the accent and (ii) generally they aren't fat).

Closer to home, though, they're affordable (*in* Russia, for example) ; Germany is close enough that there's a glut of these girls.

The magical (if that's the word) thing about Eastern Europe is that it's essentially the "white third world": you have these tall, blond, blue-eyed modelesque girls with the desperate peasant mentality of a Chiang Mai farm girl. It's an interesting phenomenon.

O.[/QUOTE]All that sounds great and I agree with what you said but, from reading the ISG Romania forum, for example, it seems a lot of guys are having trouble finding the really hot P4P girls that can be found on webcam sites. I mostly prefer brunettes with big tits over anything else, so where are they at a reasonable price?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1367288]That cheap? Seems like they were around that price range back in the 1980s.[/QUOTE]I depends where you go. I was in Kiev. The SW were $50-$100, agency girls were $200+, club girls were $300, but you had them for 4 hours and they would do ANYTHING! Hotel girls usually around $100-200. If you go to other cities in Ukraine besides Karkov and Kiev, you can get it for 1/2 those prices. If you speak some Ukrainian and / or Russian, go to a club and there's a lot there for free, especially in Odessa.

[QUOTE=Sasay1960;1367938]I depends where you go. I was in Kiev. The SW were $50-$100, agency girls were $200+, club girls were $300, but you had them for 4 hours and they would do ANYTHING! Hotel girls usually around $100-200. If you go to other cities in Ukraine besides Karkov and Kiev, you can get it for 1/2 those prices. If you speak some Ukrainian and / or Russian, go to a club and there's a lot there for free, especially in Odessa.[/QUOTE]You go to Kiev for vacation or for rogue nuclear launch codes? $300 sounds a lot for a former Soviet colony. Who's paying that amount there?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1367896]All that sounds great and I agree with what you said but, from reading the ISG Romania forum, for example, it seems a lot of guys are having trouble finding the really hot P4P girls that can be found on webcam sites. I mostly prefer brunettes with big tits over anything else, so where are they at a reasonable price?[/QUOTE]It's true that the hottest girls have been pretty much lured away from their homelands in the area (kind of the pussy version of brain drain or, to use a more local analogy, like trying to find good peaches in Georgia).

You mention an interesting thing with the cam girls; some of them do VERY well with that. I've played around chatting with a few, and have suggested meeting girls if I travel there, though I'd certainly not risk a trip without some kind of sure thing. There ARE some absurdly hot women doing those cam sites!

O.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1368028]You go to Kiev for vacation or for rogue nuclear launch codes? $300 sounds a lot for a former Soviet colony. Who's paying that amount there?[/QUOTE]$300 isn't that much if you want the girl all night / day whatever. I took only little spinner out of the club and banged it so much in one night I needed a week to recover!

Just a rant.

First, I'm astonished at how many girls bill themselves as so-and-so's "finest"; examples include "Marietta's finest" (that one's very common, it seems),"Atlanta's finest" and so on. Are these girls not aware that "finest" is a classic honorific describing law enforcement? If there's one thing I don't want to greet me when the Studio 6 door opens, it's any species of "finest". I always give these girls a pass just on the off chance that they actually ARE LE, and are having a bit of ironic fun with the bait-ad posting.

Next, stallions. A stallion is a male horse. So why do so many of these girls (and it's always fairly statuesque black girls) describe themselves as a "stallion"? The word they're looking for is "mare", and as many of these girls are hoeing BECAUSE of the rut their sad, country-ass origins placed them in, one would think they (no paragons of vocabularic dexterity) would at least know the correct names for LIVESTOCK. But they do not. I have to give THESE girls, the "stallions", a pass on the off chance that THEY are having a bit of ironic fun in advertising, and they're actually gigantically hung TSes. While I like to ride a horse every now and again, I'm not keen on being ridden by one, thank you.

Finally, broken links. There are a few girls out there who just copy and paste the same ad over and over again (understandably labor saving) , but what galls me is when they are perpetuating a broken link (to their website, which apparently is in limbo behind the hosting they never bothered to pay). It's just a very simple matter of attention to detail; poor quality control in advertising, I worry, will predict poor quality control when the panties come off. Pass.

The one upside to being picky is that it narrows the field of selection considerably, so there's that.

O.