Rants Raves and Stupid Shit in Seattle.

[QUOTE=DatoDaddio;5997705]We'll this fucking sucks. I'm on the fence about paying these pig fuckers. Where is everyone else ont this?[/QUOTE]Don't let anyone intimidate you. Do not pay.

[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5992166]I think a lot of them have a pimp or even someone they consider to be a "boyfriend" to whom they give all of their money. It's part of the whoring culture, it's astonishing how acceptable a lot of them believe that situation to be. I'll sometimes watch interviews with hookers who work in Los Angeles and even the girls who don't currently have a pimp say they are seeking one. I have a regular who comes up to visit every now and again and she told me last fall that she's looking for ways to invest her money so that she can get out of the game as she said she's "ageing-out". She actually told me how much she makes per day on average and my eyes popped-out, it was quite a bit. I asked her how much of that she's saving as the amount she brings-in is well-over the average income for most Americans. With that kind of money she could be investing in commercial real estate, etc. She was quiet and looked at me as if she were dead clueless. Then I asked, "you aren't giving all of your money away to someone else, are you? Her silence told me that she was. Meanwhile, her pimp "gives her" new hairdos, nails and make-overs, all with the money she's making. For this she's supposed to be appreciative. She knew nothing about stocks, real estate, crypto, nothing. So, yeah, it's true that even the average SW on the street is making a lot of money, however she isn't keeping that money. She hands it over to someone else and believes that this is the way it should be.[/QUOTE]What was her average day income?

I live in the Midwest but travel to Seattle every year so check out the boards to see the latest. Go Seahawks!

Hobbying is new to me, so I'm looking for information from all sources. I just read the post about the street worker who was making bank but not investing that money into long term equity. My exes cousin made $2 K a day so I know there is money to be had.

I met a UTR locally, recommended by a fellow monger, a sweet BBW who really turned my world upside down. She did not want to come out yet. I was her first. If I had been thirty years younger I would have dated her. Sweet, funny, kind, cute. The full meal deal. We had a long conversation and she confessed to having an addiction she is wanting to beat. With a baby at home, living with her parents, and freshly divorced, she was going through a combination midlife crisis and reality check. We had so much fun we planned on going to the beach the following weekend. I gave her a donation for her college-aged child's care package, but she was not going to requ.

This was June 25th (ish). June 30 I got word that she overdosed and didn't make it. This is a tough one. I really cared about her as a person and talked to her about addiction. Having seen it in family members. She was determined to get clean.

Some mongers do care about their providers. As people. I sense that a number of you here have interacted with providers who are doing great damage to themselves and wish them to get help.

There is nothing like knowing the last person you played with has died. I would have preferred being at the beach with her.

[QUOTE=DatoDaddio;5997705]We'll this fucking sucks. I'm on the fence about paying these pig fuckers. Where is everyone else ont this?[/QUOTE]Curious what you think you're buying.

If you have PII in your PMs, they're certainly not going to give that up.

[QUOTE=DatoDaddio;5997705]We'll this fucking sucks. I'm on the fence about paying these pig fuckers. Where is everyone else ont this?[/QUOTE]Can't think of a worse idea tbh. It's a scam.

[QUOTE=DatoDaddio;5997705]We'll this fucking sucks. I'm on the fence about paying these pig fuckers. Where is everyone else ont this?[/QUOTE]If you have been using hobby email, phone, etc separate from your civi ones there's likely little to be concerned about.

If you pay, you become more attractive for future demands from these cyber criminals.

Change any relevant passwords, and as another poster suggested, test your email at "[URL]haveibeenpwned.com[/URL]" to see if it has been been compromised in a prior breach.

[QUOTE=DatoDaddio;5997705]We'll this fucking sucks. I'm on the fence about paying these pig fuckers. Where is everyone else ont this?[/QUOTE]Do not pay any ransom. They will sell / release your information regardless. It's best to just shore up your opsec for the next time someone fucks up.

Burner numbers, burner email addresses, always connect to hobby sites through a VPN or Tor. Keep communication on the platform to a minimum, especially public comments, vary your sentence structure, word choice and grammar. Never use personal idioms.

[QUOTE=DatoDaddio;5997705]We'll this fucking sucks. I'm on the fence about paying these pig fuckers. Where is everyone else ont this?[/QUOTE]Don't respond. Just delete all of their communications and go on with your life.

She told me she made $1500/ day minimum and worked six days a week. This was mostly on the street supplemented with a little bit of internet work. By comparison, the average American makes a little over $100/ day. At that time last fall she was complaining that in Seattle she was "only" making $800/ day. I haven't seen her since and she doesn't seem to be in a hurry to come back up here after inquiring about her return. Most Americans would be absolutely over the moon about making $800/ day, LOL. Hell I day-trade crypto on the side for fun and can make $200/ day minimum pretty easily. Here she was all concerned about how she was going to live beyond the street and I was like, "you've got to be fucking kidding me. You can turn that kind of money around easily, you'd be a millionaire pretty quickly with the kind of money you're making". She was a complete and total deer in the headlights, man.

It was interesting because she told me that she grew-up in Oakland in a "bad neighborhood" where education wasn't the priority, making money was the priority. Everyone in the 'hood were living in section 8 housing, incomes were low or non-existent. Kids just wanted to make quick money, the long-term goal of education or learning about investing was too far out-there for most of them. They were in the now. She told me a classmate always had the latest expensive purses and shoes and asked her if she wanted to make money. That's how she ended-up working the street at 14 after school. She's in her mid-20's now. Think about all of that money she pissed-away or literally gave to a man after her hard day of sucking all of those dicks. After our conversation last fall she just looked at me as though she'd been hit with a brick.

[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;5998242]What was her average day income?[/QUOTE]

Bitcoin is $19,000 right now. I'm seeing different reports as to what price the hackers are asking, but a few Bitcoin will knock you down several thousand dollars. Just ignore it, nobody looks on the dark web anyway, at least nobody who gives a damn about what you've been up to. If you are a celebrity or something, then maybe, but pretty good assumption that you're not, so fuck them.

[QUOTE=DatoDaddio;5997705]We'll this fucking sucks. I'm on the fence about paying these pig fuckers. Where is everyone else ont this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5998813]She told me she made $1500/ day minimum and worked six days a week. This was mostly on the street supplemented with a little bit of internet work. By comparison, the average American makes a little over $100/ day. At that time last fall she was complaining that in Seattle she was "only" making $800/ day. I haven't seen her since and she doesn't seem to be in a hurry to come back up here after inquiring about her return. Most Americans would be absolutely over the moon about making $800/ day, LOL. Hell I day-trade crypto on the side for fun and can make $200/ day minimum pretty easily. Here she was all concerned about how she was going to live beyond the street and I was like, "you've got to be fucking kidding me. You can turn that kind of money around easily, you'd be a millionaire pretty quickly with the kind of money you're making". She was a complete and total deer in the headlights, man.

It was interesting because she told me that she grew-up in Oakland in a "bad neighborhood" where education wasn't the priority, making money was the priority. Everyone in the 'hood were living in section 8 housing, incomes were low or non-existent. Kids just wanted to make quick money, the long-term goal of education or learning about investing was too far out-there for most of them. They were in the now. She told me a classmate always had the latest expensive purses and shoes and asked her if she wanted to make money. That's how she ended-up working the street at 14 after school. She's in her mid-20's now. Think about all of that money she pissed-away or literally gave to a man after her hard day of sucking all of those dicks. After our conversation last fall she just looked at me as though she'd been hit with a brick.[/QUOTE]Sounds a little like how pro athletes earn a killing of money, but still wind up broke. On the other hand, taxes and agents and lawyers take a big bite. Kevin McHale said, if a player makes $4 million, it's really $2. 2 million after taxes and agent fees. Still a lot, but that's where a lot of it goes. Yes, women drink a lot of their money, but it's ENTOURAGE that also does a lot of money draining. Hanger onners in their own family of course. Bernie Kosar said he purchased cell phones for 60 people, some of who he did not know, WTF. If men in their 20's can be easily taken, and tempted to blow money on stuff like multiple fancy cars, think about what a 14-17 year old girl can be coerced into. Ironic too, since these girls get VERY street smart. Guess the pimps are street genius, so there blows that away.

[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5998813]She told me she made $1500/ day minimum and worked six days a week. This was mostly on the street supplemented with a little bit of internet work. By comparison, the average American makes a little over $100/ day. At that time last fall she was complaining that in Seattle she was "only" making $800/ day. I haven't seen her since and she doesn't seem to be in a hurry to come back up here after inquiring about her return. Most Americans would be absolutely over the moon about making $800/ day, LOL. Hell I day-trade crypto on the side for fun and can make $200/ day minimum pretty easily. Here she was all concerned about how she was going to live beyond the street and I was like, "you've got to be fucking kidding me. You can turn that kind of money around easily, you'd be a millionaire pretty quickly with the kind of money you're making". She was a complete and total deer in the headlights, man.

It was interesting because she told me that she grew-up in Oakland in a "bad neighborhood" where education wasn't the priority, making money was the priority. Everyone in the 'hood were living in section 8 housing, incomes were low or non-existent. Kids just wanted to make quick money, the long-term goal of education or learning about investing was too far out-there for most of them. They were in the now. She told me a classmate always had the latest expensive purses and shoes and asked her if she wanted to make money. That's how she ended-up working the street at 14 after school. She's in her mid-20's now. Think about all of that money she pissed-away or literally gave to a man after her hard day of sucking all of those dicks. After our conversation last fall she just looked at me as though she'd been hit with a brick.[/QUOTE]That is such a lie. These same girls love to brag about how much money they make but they can barely keep up with their motel rent. Before I retired my Account from that other board I finally took a look at the swaps and trades thread. I don't know why but I had never looked at it before. Anyway, it was half full of girls begging for help with their bills, car repair, rent, etc. , and guess what it was the same ones who claim they don't need help. They are making stacks! Okay then.

I have to write, and with a straight face here, that I honestly don't think it is a lie. I watch quite a few pimp interview videos and such and they list their daily take as $1200-$1500/ girl. Sometimes they have slow days, but generally they demand a girl stay out there until she hits her goal. Last fall I saw a girl on a regular basis who was up from Los Angeles, she told me she "liked" to make $1500/ day and sometimes it would take 18 hours to do it. That's when I knew for sure that she had a pimp. There's more money out on the street than I think most of us realize. I've talked to a few regulars over the years and there's definitely money out there. Some days are better than others, but it's there.

One issue which providers seem to have is that they spend money as quickly as they make it. In theory, a pimp is supposed to be the intermediary to prevent her from spending so much money. I've seen girls justify why they have a pimp for that reason, or at least one of the reasons. I think most providers have messy lives. Not all, but most. Fast money, fast spend, fast lifestyle. Nobody shows them how to save, invest, think long-term. There are some who do really well with that, but I don't think most do.

[QUOTE=BillyKlub;5999319]That is such a lie. These same girls love to brag about how much money they make but they can barely keep up with their motel rent. Before I retired my Account from that other board I finally took a look at the swaps and trades thread. I don't know why but I had never looked at it before. Anyway, it was half full of girls begging for help with their bills, car repair, rent, etc. , and guess what it was the same ones who claim they don't need help. They are making stacks! Okay then.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StreetTroller;5999340]I have to write, and with a straight face here, that I honestly don't think it is a lie. I watch quite a few pimp interview videos and such and they list their daily take as $1200-$1500/ girl. Sometimes they have slow days, but generally they demand a girl stay out there until she hits her goal. Last fall I saw a girl on a regular basis who was up from Los Angeles, she told me she "liked" to make $1500/ day and sometimes it would take 18 hours to do it. That's when I knew for sure that she had a pimp. There's more money out on the street than I think most of us realize. I've talked to a few regulars over the years and there's definitely money out there. Some days are better than others, but it's there.
[/QUOTE]I see your point, but I think the pimps have an incentive to exaggerate their take and set the quotas very high, as that maximizes their income. And if they are saying that each girl brings in $1500 a new girl won't know any better and will try to hit that number. And if they aren't making that number they are on their back foot with their pimp and will work extra hard.

If the girls were consistently making those numbers, they wouldn't be calling guys up to drum up business. And these girls aren't very bright and probably don't really understand what "average" means or even keep very good track of how much they are making. So they might just put that number out there without really measuring what it really is. I wouldn't be surprised that with some busy days they might make that much, but I'm skeptical that they can hit those numbers consistently on 99. If they could there would be hot suburban MILF housewives and cute college girls out there too. $1500 per day is a lot of money.

And back in the day I knew a lot of strippers and K-girls, and none of them were consistently making those numbers in a day. Maybe nowadays with the higher prices, but still.

Kasey James, who was a very sexy MILF in Kirkland, who rented nice houses there, told me on her own accord, that a regular of hers paid her some $4000 or more a month. It was a big amount. She sounded very proud of that. But then like some others mentioned, I also booked a date with her, and she was at a run down motel around 145th and Aurora, and was clearly living out of her suitcase at that juncture. She told me that big Kirkland house was in foreclosure. She didn't smell any different, but from how she answered the phone, and the way she talked, and even how hot she made the water during our mutual shower, I have the impression that she was dealing with addiction. I've never done drugs, outside of beer and wine, and trying a few cigarettes earlier in my life. But even I know that addiction to heavier drugs can drain and deplete money quickly. I can only guess that's what happened to Kasey, and May happen to SW who make a lot per day, but also feed a drug habit. Maybe, "These girls make a lot of money, but spend a lot of money too," has a lot of truth to it. The pimps are ruthless, and don't care about these girls, and only care that the girls are making them money. Same, drug dealers are ruthless, as they couldn't care less about the health and well-being of drug buyers, as long as the dealers pockets are getting filled with money.