Talking about those I found on P411
[QUOTE=RonM;3837520]I don't what indies you're seeing. But I've never paid those high prices to see Indie girls.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen any indies for about 2 years so my info may be old. But I do remember on P411 where I used to find them since I had a membership and could get easily verified I found that $300 was the low end of things. I remember there were some popular hookers from Texas coming in and guys thought it was a great deal that they charged $300. For $300, usually, I could only find 45 year olds on there.
I used to see this hot Polish hooker named Violet. She used to work at Michelle's escorts where I first saw her and then I saw her pop up as an indie on P411. Michelle's charged me $350 for the hour. She charged the same $350 as an indie and even went up to $400.
I was burned a few times trying to find some indies on BP for $200 so the ones I'm talking about are the ones that were TER verified and on P411 and had TER reviews of 8-10.
MCE or other agency expectations
I've seen a couple reports mentioning round 2 as part of recent encounters with MCE et al. Is that typically standard for the high hr price the agencies charge? Or just circumstantial because of negotiated tip?
Most of my experience was body rub or AMP related with a few scattered FS rooms long ago. Agencies are more appealing now given the new challenges in finding / booking entertainment. So I really appreciate all the posts here the last couple weeks to those that contributed.
Cheers.
Doing your homework will help your investment in spite of price
[QUOTE=Flipper12;3839112]Agreed but how do you find them?[/QUOTE]First of all, every hobbyist has his preference of girls, price range, criteria of what counts as good session, and their level of risk tolerance. Price is a factor that confounds with everything and it's a relative. My golden rule is it's always YMMV and to one of his own.
I agree to Ron's rule about spending more doesn't always guarantee a good session. But the opposite is also true. Spending $150-$200 per hour doesn't always promise you have a great play with the girl who have the appearance that you'd appreciate. However, note that, there are reasons why (especially now) there are people willing to spend $350-$500 (or even more) for young, better looking, and reasonably hot girls that is exactly the person in the images you see. Unless you have experience at least once or twice, then you don't know what you might be missing out, or what the buzz is about. I respect Ron, most of his advice is sound, especially for newbies. But honestly, since he sticks with his rule, I tend not to consider his posts about higher end girls or price seriously, only because he never shared any experience with higher end girls. So I cannot evaluate how good his advice would be and understand if Ron really knows what he is talking about.
Ron did help me maneuver BP back in the day and I have a little of bit of success to meet a handful of alternative style / tattooed girls The split tongue girl was one of the best girl I had but she has retired for good. The curvy salad tossing girl becomes a dom and still in the biz. Logan Tantricas and a couple of these body rub places are just like 262 and operate in the city. These places usually would have a girl or two that I like. However, now you only have adultsearch for information of these affordable options. I have moved on from the pool soon after I got into the hobby because the time I chase a potentially good lead is always consuming and the return is not justifiable. I value my time more than the money I can spare.
More importantly, people are less likely to share good and affordable assets they found on BP because they really work hard to find those and the assets can come and go, change alias and contact, or drop out of biz at any minute. You just have to be willing to share (at least with people you like) or be okay with the fact that hardly anyone would share.
On the other hand, I can research higher end indy or agency girls pretty easily and I got pretty good at it. I always have great session and the expected outcome from all the indy girls I sought on P411. I still spend time on research but it's way less consuming and indys would be likely to answer your questions if you approach them like talking to a normal person who may serve your table or explain things to you at BestBuy.
I'm sorry that I don't have much helpful information to help you find affordable options, especially when TER ban IP from the you. S and the discussion of such options becomes even less frequent. I just want to say that, doing your homework is the best way to get a satisfying session regardless your budget.
Issue accessing Listcrawler
I'm having trouble accessing Listcrawler using both Chrome and Firefox. Nothing is coming up via google searches. Sure, I can find an old link to get there. Just curious why it's so hard to find? Thanks.
Low End vs. High End Girls.
I'm not sure what qualifies as a low end and high end girl. As long as she's in my price range, offers what I'm looking for, is polite, gets into our playtime then I'm happy. I didn't emphasize her looks because looks aren't a high priority for me at my age. As long as she doesn't look like Rosanne Barr or Rosie O'Donnell I'm happy.
What I was trying to say but worded much better.
[QUOTE=CoolPatrick;3839280]First of all, every hobbyist has his preference of girls, price range, criteria of what counts as good session, and their level of risk tolerance. Price is a factor that confounds with everything and it's a relative. My golden rule is it's always YMMV and to one of his own.
I agree to Ron's rule about spending more doesn't always guarantee a good session. But the opposite is also true. Spending $150-$200 per hour doesn't always promise you have a great play with the girl who have the appearance that you'd appreciate. However, note that, there are reasons why (especially now) there are people willing to spend $350-$500 (or even more) for young, better looking, and reasonably hot girls that is exactly the person in the images you see. Unless you have experience at least once or twice, then you don't know what you might be missing out, or what the buzz is about. I respect Ron, most of his advice is sound, especially for newbies. But honestly, since he sticks with his rule, I tend not to consider his posts about higher end girls or price seriously, only because he never shared any experience with higher end girls. So I cannot evaluate how good his advice would be and understand if Ron really knows what he is talking about.
Ron did help me maneuver BP back in the day and I have a little of bit of success to meet a handful of alternative style / tattooed girls The split tongue girl was one of the best girl I had but she has retired for good. The curvy salad tossing girl becomes a dom and still in the biz. Logan Tantricas and a couple of these body rub places are just like 262 and operate in the city. These places usually would have a girl or two that I like. However, now you only have adultsearch for information of these affordable options. I have moved on from the pool soon after I got into the hobby because the time I chase a potentially good lead is always consuming and the return is not justifiable. I value my time more than the money I can spare.
More importantly, people are less likely to share good and affordable assets they found on BP because they really work hard to find those and the assets can come and go, change alias and contact, or drop out of biz at any minute. You just have to be willing to share (at least with people you like) or be okay with the fact that hardly anyone would share.
On the other hand, I can research higher end indy or agency girls pretty easily and I got pretty good at it. I always have great session and the expected outcome from all the indy girls I sought on P411. I still spend time on research but it's way less consuming and indys would be likely to answer your questions if you approach them like talking to a normal person who may serve your table or explain things to you at BestBuy.
I'm sorry that I don't have much helpful information to help you find affordable options, especially when TER ban IP from the you. S and the discussion of such options becomes even less frequent. I just want to say that, doing your homework is the best way to get a satisfying session regardless your budget.[/QUOTE]Well said here, basically, I'm in a very similar situation where I have some limited time to hobby and I get into it once maybe twice a month. So I need that session to be good. I don't have a lot of time to chase leads to find a diamond in the rough. So I'm pretty much in the same boat.
Honestly, I'm relatively happy with NG at $200, ECEChicago (Not EEC) at $325 and Sandra's Modeling Avenue at $300 to keep me going for the near future. My last 8 sessions or so have been with NG so if they keep the talent coming that's where I'm going.
Do you have links to their sites?
[QUOTE=Flipper12;3840039]Well said here, basically, I'm in a very similar situation where I have some limited time to hobby and I get into it once maybe twice a month. So I need that session to be good. I don't have a lot of time to chase leads to find a diamond in the rough. So I'm pretty much in the same boat.
Honestly, I'm relatively happy with NG at $200, ECEChicago (Not EEC) at $325 and Sandra's Modeling Avenue at $300 to keep me going for the near future. My last 8 sessions or so have been with NG so if they keep the talent coming that's where I'm going.[/QUOTE]Can you please provide links to NG and Sandra's Modelinkg Avenue?
The point is not about the difference in price range
[QUOTE=RonM;3839988]I'm not sure what qualifies as a low end and high end girl. As long as she's in my price range, offers what I'm looking for, is polite, gets into our playtime then I'm happy. I didn't emphasize her looks because looks aren't a high priority for me at my age. As long as she doesn't look like Rosanne Barr or Rosie O'Donnell I'm happy.[/QUOTE]Let's stick with price range here. And this is the only major difference in the opinion of yours and mine. You maintain that spending more than your price range ($150-$200) doesn't promise good play time and thus, implicitly, spending more than that for an hour is likely unnecessary. My points are, comparing services across price range can be comparing apples with oranges. Or it's like comparing a single order of burger vs a package meal including fries, soda, and even salad and appetizer.
Ron, you really know what you are doing and know how to avoid bad apples from the $150-$200 pool. But your argument is not really convincing when you hardly shared, if ever, any experience about any girl beyond your price range. So how exactly can you know those girls and their services are not worth the price? If you never play with girls asking $300-$400 per hour, you really don't know much about these girls. Maybe you don't need to eat an orange or package meal to be happy, but oranges and package meals can make lots of other people happy, as long as people have done their homework like how you do your homework with the girls you are seeing.
Market has its own way of working things out. I believe the clear destination lies around $350/ hr, all things considered. Younger girls with appearance appeals to most are likely to ask for $350 to $400 per hour for full GFE in this town. Most the time clients can get exactly the girl they expect. It would be lots of hit and miss or bait and switch or worse while looking through options at $150-$200 hour pool. Yes, sometimes agency girls' quality can be just like those we can hook up from BP back in the day, given that the girls received similar pay after agency takes its cut. But clients can at least save some hassle and time in this case, which can still be worth it.
I suspect the difference between $400 and $600 and $800 may NOT be as distinctive, but I couldn't really know. Likewise, I would not comment on whether that $800 girl is worthy of her price because I cannot afford her and hence no knowledge about either way.
Modeling Avenue Anastasia and Estelle
Anyone seen these two? Can provide with intel?
