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[QUOTE=Jack A Dogov;1132955]If I wanted that kind of aggravation I'd get married.[/QUOTE]I LOVE that quote. LMAO! You hit it right on the nose. Got rid of my ball and chain about 7 years back and never looked back! I'm actually saving money by being single and making weekly visits to my FAV spa!
Hahahahah.
Muffy
[QUOTE=ARegularGuy; 1133011]Maybe you think so but having visited AMPs across the country, I can say that you are more likely than not to find a sexual pleasure at an Asian Spa than not. However, there are plenty of absolutely straight parlors where all you can expect and get is a good massage.
Many women choose to give an honest massage and not clean your pocket by giving extras. I think their choices should be respected and one should not assume that because is a masseuse is Asian, extras are on the menu.
ARG. [/QUOTE]Didn't a recent President say "I did not have sex with that woman"? Sex in his case did not include BBBJ or HJ I guess right? LOL. So, then can't we hold the same standards to our little Asian massage girls? IF it is only a HJ then thats not considered sex! Hahaha.
Muff
[QUOTE=Liecam;1131928]Wow! Did you really just type that. Doesn't mean they got anything but a legit massage. You guys need to stop focusing on how many posts you have on a website and come back to reality. Asian Spas are for sex! It's not a secret and we all knew the news organizations were going to start getting involved again. Wait till after this airs when the other stations will try to one up Target 12. Good Luck! You're going to need it.[/QUOTE]First of all kiss my ass. My posts are heavily weighted toward actual reviews or comments on services or experiences that I've actally had. I do comment frequently on issues related to our hobby. And quite often respond to idiots and lazy people who don't RTFF.
To answer the rest of your moronic post, I actually have been to spas outside of RI, and yes Virginia, there are Asian spas as nearby as just a few miles from RI where you will never get HE or anything else.
I also am not as naive as I was accused of recently as to think that the news organizations, LE and the general public don't have knowedge about what goes on in many of these places. So again kiss my ass, and stop trying to make people nervous about visiting a spa.
[QUOTE=Muffythediver; 1133012]At the risk of sounding like a shill or a company man I figured I would add a post about my ATF AMP as I was there today for my weekly visit. After reading a few "Bad" reports here from very trusted members I was very concerned that things were heading downhill so off to 1021 I went. Planned it during the shitty weather as I knew it would be very slow there which is exactly what I like! I hate when things get too busy as I feel they get a bit stressed in trying to please everyone.
Called ahead and spoke with Sophia and asked for my Fav girl who I have now seen at least 15 times or more since she has been there. Yeah Yeah, I know, WTF am I going to a place like this and only seeing one girl? Well for those of you who know me, I'm all about building a very high level GFE with one girl and that takes far more time then a single visit or jumping from one girl to the next. Remember these girls spend 24/7 living with each other in one room and they do talk! So if your the type who always wants to try the new girl then you will be tagged as a playboy and treated as such (BTW- that is perfectly fine as that is what these places are here for right?). I guess I'm the odd ball as I like to really get to know one girl and reach beyond the typical customer treatment given!
So anyways spent some incredible quality time with my girl which was absolutely mind blowing as she treated me to one of the best experiences I have yet to have. Got to love it when you thought you had reached a plateau and all of a sudden the plateau is raised to a new level! Damn, this girl is ruining me!
I guess you get the point about the girl I see there, I won't post her name or details here out of respect, those of you who know me most likely know her and I am happy to give her name to any trusted senior via PM. I would just hate to see her get worn out!
Now for the bad! Jessica first, she was sent packing yesterday! After a few upset customers and some bad reports that was enough to send her on her way. Sophia does listen guys and understands the importance of a high level of customer service. Understand that she can not force these girls to do things behind closed doors. Either the girl has it or she doesn't and in Jessica's case she just wasn't cut out for this type of work. I think it is a great thing to let management know when you are not happy but do it in a respectful way, they do listen. I only briefly saw Jessica in the hall and really didn't care for the "All done up look" as I always feel this type of girl is a "Don't touch" or mess with my hair or makeup type and that will always lead to a bad mix. I have always loved the more natural Asian girl look with the typical long straight black hair and just a natural look! Hell I spent 2 years in the Philippines in the service which started my infatuation with these Asian girls!
Also there was another girl sent packing but for the life of me I can't remember her name now (Dani maybe). Well I hope the new rotation of girls is a bit better then the last but you know how things go at these places! There are always changes being made some good some bad! You just got to learn to go with the flow. For me, I can't remember the last time I had a bad experience at 1021, I have had a few, but overall this is by far my Spa of choice.
Stay Safe.
Muffy[/QUOTE]Place is still my favorite too, but you lucked out in not getting stuck with Dani or the other dud Jessica. I travel about 117 miles one way, and look forward to excellent service, but the last trip was just too messed up. Had a better time on the way home at a non -Asian HE facility.
[QUOTE=SMS 54;1131033]My intention was to try to get a second hour with HE only for house fee and HE type tip, but I was so disappointed, on the spur of the moment on the way home I stopped at 753 in CF for a very enjoyable non-Asian experience, which I definitely will repeat.[/QUOTE]How were the gals at 753? I would love some details as I'm looking for a change of pace.
Late afternoon trip to CH. First time in 2+ years, but had been there 2 or 3 times previous. Always good. Drew Connie. PERFECT for me. Taller fantastic C's. All natural. Shower was great. Not too much attention. Just enough. Rub down. Rode me like a pommel horse. Full body. On top of me. Slow and easy. Great. Flip. Full attention. All I want is the h / e. But not really. I want full roaming privileges. I agree to 60 extra. Absolutely fantastic body. Full roaming allowed. All was good!
[QUOTE=SMS 54; 1133049]First of all kiss my ass. My posts are heavily weighted toward actual reviews or comments on services or experiences that I've actally had. I do comment frequently on issues related to our hobby. And quite often respond to idiots and lazy people who don't RTFF.
To answer the rest of your moronic post, I actually have been to spas outside of RI, and yes Virginia, there are Asian spas as nearby as just a few miles from RI where you will never get HE or anything else.
I also am not as naive as I was accused of recently as to think that the news organizations, LE and the general public don't have knowedge about what goes on in many of these places. So again kiss my ass, and stop trying to make people nervous about visiting a spa.[/QUOTE]You can kiss your own ass. To answer your physco post, are we talking about spas outside of RI, NO! Last time I checked if a spa gets raided in RI it won't be the Virginia State Police that will do it.
" We should always be cognizant of our surroundings as we enter and exit our favorite establishments, but let's not get too hysterical here. Even in the case of a real bust, just because someone went into a place that got busted doesn't necessarily mean they got anything but a legit massage. And what kind of discussion will they have about what goes on inside that will arise from footage taken from across the street? A guy walks in scowling and leaves smiling?"
I think that sounds a little naive. I agree that not all AMPs provide extra services but I can't think of one in RI like that. Can you? As far as video surveillance, we're not talking about an undercover sting here. The news media doesn't care about state surveillance laws because they're not providing evidence to any court of law. They're just programming it into the TVs of residents of this state.
I'm not trying to SCARE anyone from going to AMPs, just trying to tell people to be careful. Also, I thought having sex was a relaxing experience? SMS, you may need to double your weekly dose because for someone who visits as many providers as you do you're a freakin nut.
Haven't been out this way in several years, but found myself in town and decided to hit the OS.
Saw Coco, new to the OS, a real sexy, tight bodied Korean SP up here from Flushing. Attitude 8/10, looks. 9/10. Doesn't get much better, only no GFE, just some very light FK. I suspect that GFE is possible for follow-up visits. TS was just fair, but back in the room she was very attentive to all the right spots. Nice CBJ, with great tongue action all over, then leadng to DATY, then mish, back to CBJ, more mish and finished with a hard pounding. We both came together and ended up full of sweat & passion. Nice massage after too. Overall, very friendly, sweet. Repeat for sure. A little more expensive than CT AMPs but well worth it.
[QUOTE=Liecam; 1133484]You can kiss your own ass. To answer your physco post, are we talking about spas outside of RI, NO! Last time I checked if a spa gets raided in RI it won't be the Virginia State Police that will do it.
" We should always be cognizant of our surroundings as we enter and exit our favorite establishments, but let's not get too hysterical here. Even in the case of a real bust, just because someone went into a place that got busted doesn't necessarily mean they got anything but a legit massage. And what kind of discussion will they have about what goes on inside that will arise from footage taken from across the street? A guy walks in scowling and leaves smiling?"
I think that sounds a little naive. I agree that not all AMPs provide extra services but I can't think of one in RI like that. Can you? As far as video surveillance, we're not talking about an undercover sting here. The news media doesn't care about state surveillance laws because they're not providing evidence to any court of law. They're just programming it into the TVs of residents of this state.
I'm not trying to SCARE anyone from going to AMPs, just trying to tell people to be careful. Also, I thought having sex was a relaxing experience? SMS, you may need to double your weekly dose because for someone who visits as many providers as you do you're a freakin nut.[/QUOTE]This series of responses to my post illustrate why I very rarely post to this site anymore. I apologize profusely for trying to help those that like me prefer to stay anonymous while enjoying what may or may not be happening inside some of the fine establishments discussed on this site.
It doesn't matter whether the illicit surveillance is intended to be used as evidence or not. The media are still subject to the same laws as the police are. If the video contains audio and it has not been consented to by both parties then they can be held accountable. And just for arguments sake there's and AMP inside the Providence mall that does not offer extras.
You're right it will be raided by the FBI, ICE, local police, and probably agents from the IRS. If you read reviews from other sites that have detailed accounts regarding some of these busts it's clear that they are arresting patrons also. Whether the charges can be proved or not they're still cuffed and doing the "perp" walk out to a waiting police cruiser. Lying to a federal agent is a felony. If they have you on video / audio soliciting, or worse yet banging the girl and you say you were there for only massage when they ask why you were there then guess what? Your misdemeanor crime that will probably be continued w / o a finding is now a felony charge that will not go away and cost you $10-15k in lawyers fees. If it ever happens to any of you then it's best to exercise your right to remain silent.
[QUOTE=Liecam;1133484]I think that sounds a little naive. I agree that not all AMPs provide extra services but I can't think of one in RI like that. Can you? As far as video surveillance, we're not talking about an undercover sting here. The news media doesn't care about state surveillance laws because they're not providing evidence to any court of law. They're just programming it into the TVs of residents of this state.[/QUOTE]
Sorry for picking on someone whose IQ may be roughly equivalent to his post count.
[QUOTE=Liecam; 1133484]You can kiss your own ass. To answer your physco post, are we talking about spas outside of RI, NO! Last time I checked if a spa gets raided in RI it won't be the Virginia State Police that will do it.
" We should always be cognizant of our surroundings as we enter and exit our favorite establishments, but let's not get too hysterical here. Even in the case of a real bust, just because someone went into a place that got busted doesn't necessarily mean they got anything but a legit massage. And what kind of discussion will they have about what goes on inside that will arise from footage taken from across the street? A guy walks in scowling and leaves smiling?"
I think that sounds a little naive. I agree that not all AMPs provide extra services but I can't think of one in RI like that. Can you? As far as video surveillance, we're not talking about an undercover sting here. The news media doesn't care about state surveillance laws because they're not providing evidence to any court of law. They're just programming it into the TVs of residents of this state.
I'm not trying to SCARE anyone from going to AMPs, just trying to tell people to be careful. Also, I thought having sex was a relaxing experience? SMS, you may need to double your weekly dose because for someone who visits as many providers as you do you're a freakin nut. [/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/target-12[/url]
%3A-dirty-little-secret.
Here's part one. I guess WPRI wasn't worried about video taping people, with audio, undercover. Essebee, good job thinking of the only spa in RI that doesn't offer extras. I will bet any amount of money the % of female clients surpasses the male clients at the spa in the mall. The news story commented that the only customers to walk in that establishment were male. Lets not get confused about real spas and places that use the name as a front. A Pawtucket councilman that I know told me last night to stay in Providence if I felt the need to partake in these specific type of activities.
SMS, you made an IQ joke. BRILLIANT! You are a very witty gentleman. I also noticed you couldn't resist bringing up post counts. Dude, go back in the hole you came from or your moms basement, please.
Reports of Dani at Club 1021 having left were, at best, premature. I got the cold fish this morning.
Sub-par for that place.
[QUOTE=DaddysLookin; 1134195]Reports of Dani at Club 1021 having left were, at best, premature. I got the cold fish this morning.
Sub-par for that place. [/QUOTE]I would recommend to all mongers to avoid this one and the other dud that has been reported there, even if it means walking out.
[QUOTE=Liecam; 1134071]
[url]http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/target-12[/url]
%3A-dirty-little-secret.
Here's part one. I guess WPRI wasn't worried about video taping people, with audio, undercover. Essebee, good job thinking of the only spa in RI that doesn't offer extras. I will bet any amount of money the % of female clients surpasses the male clients at the spa in the mall. The news story commented that the only customers to walk in that establishment were male. Lets not get confused about real spas and places that use the name as a front. A Pawtucket councilman that I know told me last night to stay in Providence if I felt the need to partake in these specific type of activities.
SMS, you made an IQ joke. BRILLIANT! You are a very witty gentleman. I also noticed you couldn't resist bringing up post counts. Dude, go back in the hole you came from or your moms basement, please. [/QUOTE]By the way, as I assumed the main object of the story was to embarass the city councilor, and of course their months long investigation got the spa closed down, helping to fight the "horrific" crime of human trafficking. I wonder why the footage taken from across the street blurred the faces so the males entering the spa were unidentifiable? Litigation fears, maybe?
[QUOTE=SMS 54;1134461]I would recommend to all mongers to avoid this one and the other dud that has been reported there, even if it means walking out.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I wonder WTF or who the fuck is making the talent decisions at these places! I wasn't sure if Dani was leaving or not and to be truthful I'm not even sure Jessica is gone yet. I am just going by what I was told last time I was there. Yesterday I was told Ruby went home so go figure! If that is true then I will be taking a bit of a break from my Fav AMP as there is no one there I would like to see right now. Keep up the reports guys and don't let these TV reporters ruffle your feathers or make you a star! LMFAO.
Muffy
[url]http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/target-12:-dirty-little-secret[/url]
Well looks like this may very well make it difficult for the other Spa's in Pawtucket, I for one will not venture anywhere near them! I find it VERY funny that the Mayor said they have not been able to collect enough evidence on the Spa's in town to close them? Hmmmmmm me thinks I smell a rat! One visit to anyone one of the Spa's would give them more then enough evidence. LMFAO.
Well hopefully this story slides off the radar and we all go back to business as always!
Muffy
[QUOTE=Muffythediver; 1134529]Sometimes I wonder WTF or who the fuck is making the talent decisions at these places! I wasn't sure if Dani was leaving or not and to be truthful I'm not even sure Jessica is gone yet. I am just going by what I was told last time I was there. Yesterday I was told Ruby went home so go figure! If that is true then I will be taking a bit of a break from my Fav AMP as there is no one there I would like to see right now. Keep up the reports guys and don't let these TV reporters ruffle your feathers or make you a star! LMFAO.
Muffy[/QUOTE]Was rushed yesterday. Sophia is getting sly. I thought Dani looked fine (broad in the beam) with a great happy smile to see me. It wasn't until the TS that I asked her name and my face dropped.
I was number one of the day and CHRIST was that Naugahyde C-O-L-D. Reports are correct, she hasn't a clue. Must have been 50 buckets of water, face, hair, etc. It was like I survived the ship going down.
Massage is a joke. No oil, pushing and shoving, all the while, do not touch. Then the highlight of the massage. I hear her "warming up" for a sneeze and then, there is is, all over my back end, not once, twice, but three times. A complete spraying of my back. Did she use a towel to mop it up? Your kidding right? NADA.
Later events were utterly uninspired and again, I could not wait to get out, in precisely one hour.
I'm with Muff on this one. Till things turn around. 1021 is off the chart and, by the way, they watch this site better than the hawk sitting on the middle highway lights waiting for choice road kill.
For the record, I did also visit that Daily Spa for waxing and all was fine. Shown massage talent, I passed. FWIW.
Parking a block away and looking to buy a Tim White mask.
[QUOTE=SMS 54;1134468]By the way, as I assumed the main object of the story was to embarass the city councilor, and of course their months long investigation got the spa closed down, helping to fight the "horrific" crime of human trafficking. I wonder why the footage taken from across the street blurred the faces so the males entering the spa were unidentifiable? Litigation fears, maybe?[/QUOTE]Yes, SMS you are correct about the original objective to embarrass the Councilman but now it's going to expand to the other establishments in the city of Pawtucket. Who gives a crap about the men walking into the spa, that wasn't the intent of the story. They were observing the type of clientele frequenting this particular business, which happen to be all male, to prove the point. Do you think the AMPs in Pawtucket should start getting a little hysterical about this? I will say it again, not to create a panic on this board but to inform and assist the gentlemen who visit this site. A Councilman that I know personally told me to stay in Providence if I choose to visit these type of businesses. You can believe me or not but I speak the truth. I will miss my visits to FE, it was one of my favorites.
To comment one last time about you sir, SMS. Do you drive a sports car? You seem like the type to have certain things to make up for the lack of others. Is it your goal to be a dick or does it just come naturally to you. Do me a favor, please visit as many Pawtucket spas as possible. I'm sure their business is going to drop a little after this and they can use all the help they can get.
I guess that I should know better than to get in a pissing contest with a dullard and I promise this is my last comment on the topic.
Apparently there's a little bit of a gray area in the RI recording laws
[url]http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/rhodeisland.html[/url]
The girl would have to prove that there was a reasonable expectation of privacy. It's a little clearer in MA that this would be illegal
[url]http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/massachusetts.html[/url].
Even if it were the only AMP in RI that did not offer extras (it's not) it still proves you're wrong. Flame away. You can have the last word ad infinitum. You win the internet. Congratulations.
[QUOTE=Liecam; 1134071][url]http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/target-12[/url]
%3A-dirty-little-secret.
Here's part one. I guess WPRI wasn't worried about video taping people, with audio, undercover. Essebee, good job thinking of the only spa in RI that doesn't offer extras. I will bet any amount of money the % of female clients surpasses the male clients at the spa in the mall. The news story commented that the only customers to walk in that establishment were male. Lets not get confused about real spas and places that use the name as a front. A Pawtucket councilman that I know told me last night to stay in Providence if I felt the need to partake in these specific type of activities.
SMS, you made an IQ joke. BRILLIANT! You are a very witty gentleman. I also noticed you couldn't resist bringing up post counts. Dude, go back in the hole you came from or your moms basement, please.[/QUOTE]
Christie (see prior report, super nice personality, GFE customer specific. 5 ft 6, hot for 30's, slight polynesian look) was out for a few weeks. Sasha (earlier report) was busy, (20's real cute, slender girl) Passed on Connie, kind of cute face, avg body. 5ft 1, seems nice though, maybe other time.
Opted for Pepsi, mid-30's, been in business a long time, has worked different places in town, she's 5 ft 7 inches tall which really helps, maybe 135 to 140 lbs. Medium build, had very nice session at standard rates, no GFE asked for, I only needed 45 minutes I told her, and very relaxed time with her. She's not in the Christie range in looks, but has a decent look, and nice figure, high 7's. Said business was slow, less than 15 to 20 customers most days, Bali not much better she had heard. And said OS was doing 4 times that avg day. But admitted all business still not good because of economy or whatever.
This lineup compared to what I would often see last year is very goold on the personality side. I think they are making an effort to get some girls in with some nice EQ skills. Of course be warned, Sasha speaks no english, My 2nd (a double session) time with Sasha used alot of pointing and sign language, kind of fun really. That girl is real cute and good sense of humor too.
Drew Nicole last night. Very cute.
Positive remarks stop there.
TS. Lukewarm.
Communication almost non-existent.
Massage skills likewise.
She appeared to want to be elsewhere.
I hate when I leave feeling I should have given myself the HE.
Normal prices.
Will be a while before I return.
From the recent reports, there are more misses than hits.
Went down to One Spa for the second time after seeing the reviews on here. Was grabbed by May. I would say about 5' 5" or so hot K girl. Well proportioned, large C cups. Overall, a nice attractive package. She spoke broken up English the normal as far as girls in these places go. Table shower was good with some teasing. Massage was decent not to hard or soft. On the flip she asked what I wanted and I replied everthing of course. Main event was good, played with the boys, CBJ, CG, Mish findished doggy. Did the warm towel thing, standard price. On the way out mamasan said come back again many new girls. I will be back.
Recent vist called ahead asking for new girl "Coco". Mamasan for some reason seemed to hedge and was not sure if they had such a girl. I showed up and was in waiting room and saw this absolutely stunning girl walk by. I'm usually aware of what super hot girls are around, so I figure that must be her. Ok, Coco, turns out to be "Heidi" from Bali. I have a detailed report on her on Dec 13th under the super hottie listings. I; ve been with her 4 times previously.
This time indicated 24 yrs / old. Full level 9 level looks (as Yankee accurately described several days back) looks like a cover girl model. 5 ft 3, 106 or so, tanned mid chocolate tone, very very stunning. Top 3 at Foxy for sure. At maybe 5 ft 5 no problem as an NFL cheerleader (ok augmentation needed) too) Ann Margaret cat eyes and a touch of Natalie Wood. Non-smoker too, As I said before the only problem I have is is sometimes I need more height and ultra long legs like 5 ft 7 Jackie or 5 ft 9 Ivy of 5 ft 7 Lucy, all super model looks too, and incredible length on the legs for those 3, and this girl is (strict rules) no GFE no matter how many $$ you dump on her. Sort of like Julie that way, but better personality than Julie.
Today she did at least present me the option for a full GFE session, BUT I would have to commit right there and then to an SD (take me out of the business) arrangement. (PM for details) LOL, anyone get that offer? Instead I suggested increasing by 50 bucks the prepaid already large tip amount. She said no, commit to the proposed deal, or its no GFE. Crazy but true. So it was a strict rules session. IMHO her business must be off, lest she wouldn't be pitching deals, and I had been pitched a few times before by her, but not this specific. Remember I had very very hot Nicole and Yumi ready for full GFE available with short notice. Coco is very nice though, I have to admit.
Overall great spa girl, I can recommend to anyone despite no GFE option. If she hangs around at OS, she's a nice addition. Hope she gets alot of business.
I went there today after reading reports on here. Because it's my usual hangout.
Asked mamasan not to bring nicole after her bad review on here. She tells me they don't have a nicole here.
So I'm curious did you get the right place, or right name?
Because I ended up having a good time as always
Visited 1021 this morning. More of a "back to normal" visit for me. It was nice and quiet. I asked for Sandy who has returned from NY. Extra long unrushed session. I feel very good chemistry with this girl. She is definitely a pleaser and fun to be with. Confirmed visual sighting of Ruby, Cherry, and Sandy so Janie has finally been sent home. Told Sophia she now has a good team in place however I think the new regimen here is to keep one above average performer with the Franchise Tag so to speak in this case Ruby and then rotate the others out after a month. I suggested a month is too quick if the 2nd and 3rd strings are above average. I will be hesitant to see a new girl in the future unless I have some reliable prior intel from a trusted member.
[QUOTE=Yardape08;1135258]Visited 1021 this morning. More of a "back to normal" visit for me. It was nice and quiet. I asked for Sandy who has returned from NY. Extra long unrushed session. I feel very good chemistry with this girl. She is definitely a pleaser and fun to be with. Confirmed visual sighting of Ruby, Cherry, and Sandy so Janie has finally been sent home. Told Sophia she now has a good team in place however I think the new regimen here is to keep one above average performer with the Franchise Tag so to speak in this case Ruby and then rotate the others out after a month. I suggested a month is too quick if the 2nd and 3rd strings are above average. I will be hesitant to see a new girl in the future unless I have some reliable prior intel from a trusted member.[/QUOTE]Glad you had a visual on Ruby would like to go backl and see her. Had great time with her
[QUOTE=Yardape08;1135258]Visited 1021 this morning. More of a "back to normal" visit for me. It was nice and quiet. I asked for Sandy who has returned from NY. Extra long unrushed session. I feel very good chemistry with this girl. She is definitely a pleaser and fun to be with. Confirmed visual sighting of Ruby, Cherry, and Sandy so Janie has finally been sent home. Told Sophia she now has a good team in place however I think the new regimen here is to keep one above average performer with the Franchise Tag so to speak in this case Ruby and then rotate the others out after a month. I suggested a month is too quick if the 2nd and 3rd strings are above average. I will be hesitant to see a new girl in the future unless I have some reliable prior intel from a trusted member.[/QUOTE]Glad to see a decent report and a girl worth while there now. I see you reported seeing Ruby there, I was told by Sophia that she was leaving on Friday but once again I seem to have been given wrong information! I think Sophia does that to me if the girl I ask for is busy in an attempt to get me to go with someone else! She should know by now what my preferences are. I think it might be time for me to take a break from 1021 and let things settle down.
Other then OS can anyone recommend a nice quiet Spa with some girls that are open to a nice GFE time?
[QUOTE=Muffythediver;1135320]Glad to see a decent report and a girl worth while there now. .....Other then OS can anyone recommend a nice quiet Spa with some girls that are open to a nice GFE time?[/QUOTE]Hey Muffy. I used to go to Downtown all the time before I settled on 1021. But I also have had some not great visits lately. I have been thinking about revisiting DT.
I saw a few recent reviews on DT. I think my next spa visit just might be DT. It will be nice to see the new location also..
Have fun.
Tony. :)
[QUOTE=Offshore Racer; 1135153]Recent vist called ahead asking for new girl "Coco". Mamasan for some reason seemed to hedge and was not sure if they had such a girl. I showed up and was in waiting room and saw this absolutely stunning girl walk by. I'm usually aware of what super hot girls are around, so I figure that must be her. Ok, Coco, turns out to be "Heidi" from Bali. I have a detailed report on her on Dec 13th under the super hottie listings. I; ve been with her 4 times previously.
This time indicated 24 yrs / old. Full level 9 level looks (as Yankee accurately described several days back) looks like a cover girl model. 5 ft 3, 106 or so, tanned mid chocolate tone, very very stunning. Top 3 at Foxy for sure. At maybe 5 ft 5 no problem as an NFL cheerleader (ok augmentation needed) too) Ann Margaret cat eyes and a touch of Natalie Wood. Non-smoker too, As I said before the only problem I have is is sometimes I need more height and ultra long legs like 5 ft 7 Jackie or 5 ft 9 Ivy of 5 ft 7 Lucy, all super model looks too, and incredible length on the legs for those 3, and this girl is (strict rules) no GFE no matter how many $$ you dump on her. Sort of like Julie that way, but better personality than Julie.
Today she did at least present me the option for a full GFE session, BUT I would have to commit right there and then to an SD (take me out of the business) arrangement. (PM for details) LOL, anyone get that offer? Instead I suggested increasing by 50 bucks the prepaid already large tip amount. She said no, commit to the proposed deal, or its no GFE. Crazy but true. So it was a strict rules session. IMHO her business must be off, lest she wouldn't be pitching deals, and I had been pitched a few times before by her, but not this specific. Remember I had very very hot Nicole and Yumi ready for full GFE available with short notice. Coco is very nice though, I have to admit.
Overall great spa girl, I can recommend to anyone despite no GFE option. If she hangs around at OS, she's a nice addition. Hope she gets alot of business. [/QUOTE]This same report got into the Stripclubs forum (probably by accident). I wouldn't offer her increases as that is just driving up the cost of doing business. Her SD (separate deal?) doesn't sound good. You were wise to refuse.
Took a trip to 1021 last night and it looks like the lineup has improved greatly. Ruby, Sandi and Cherry. I had a great visit. That Sandi has a hot body, I love the little mini skirts she wears with nothing under them. I don't know about you guys but it turns me on to do some exploration with my hands and find no thong or panties.
No, at OS it only drives up the price for ME. Because in my case, even in session 1, most times the girl will have already heard 1. I'm looking for GFE 2. I always pay a premium upfront. The client base at OS is much larger than most realize (I can give you a number in PM and it suprise you). A single customer cannot impact prices.
Here's the proof, I did 3 sessions with (new) Jackie, all at my usual overpay price. Would have done more, but got sidetracked with Nicole, Yumi, and (new) Bonnie. However, Jackie told me on session 3 that some customers still paid her as low as 60 plus 100 and 60 and 120 for FS, in recent days or weeks. This is top end premium girl, and my overpay had no impact on what she would accept. I happen to value GFE, because w / o it, the entire session seems very unnatural to me, so I'm willing to risk an upfront tip with all OS girls, or a few select girls elsewhere. Even though with some girls like (New) Bonnie or Julie a few months back, or even Ivy last summer. It doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Offshore Racer; 1135641]No, at OS it only drives up the price for ME. Because in my case, even in session 1, most times the girl will have already heard 1. I'm looking for GFE 2. I always pay a premium upfront. The client base at OS is much larger than most realize (I can give you a number in PM and it suprise you). A single customer cannot impact prices.
Here's the proof, I did 3 sessions with (new) Jackie, all at my usual overpay price. Would have done more, but got sidetracked with Nicole, Yumi, and (new) Bonnie. However, Jackie told me on session 3 that some customers still paid her as low as 60 plus 100 and 60 and 120 for FS, in recent days or weeks. This is top end premium girl, and my overpay had no impact on what she would accept. I happen to value GFE, because w / o it, the entire session seems very unnatural to me, so I'm willing to risk an upfront tip with all OS girls, or a few select girls elsewhere. Even though with some girls like (New) Bonnie or Julie a few months back, or even Ivy last summer. It doesn't work. [/QUOTE]I know this has been asked a thousand times here, but how does one define GFE? For me, it means like my girlfriend, who never uses a condom for a blow job and french kisses. I have been to OS a dozen time, and only once had a girl who fit this definition. And, I have offered extra compensation on several occasions.
Have things changed there? Is GFE (by my standards) actually available?
GFE can be used 2 major ways.
In AMPs I use it referring to GFE (heavy kissing)
Now with escorts I believe it more often, though not exclusively, isused referring to BOTH heavy kissing and BBBJs.
As you may already know heavy kissing for spa girls is not common. As has been posted, its a Korean culture thing. I've guesstimated it at 5% for a random avg customer at a random FS spa locally. With a large upfront tip it goes to approx 10. Now if you are a heavy spender. And a possible repeat (in one rotation for one girl) buyer. At one particular spa, and also a large upfront tipper, odds go to 30 to 50% that the girl will go GFE, and the looks of the girl have no impact, sometimes ultra beautiful girls offer GFE and sometimes more avg girls don't.
The fact that spa girls make such a big deal out of heavy kissing, is exactly what makes it so enticing sometimes.
[QUOTE=Forest; 1135921]I know this has been asked a thousand times here, but how does one define GFE? For me, it means like my girlfriend, who never uses a condom for a blow job and french kisses. I have been to OS a dozen time, and only once had a girl who fit this definition. And, I have offered extra compensation on several occasions.
Have things changed there? Is GFE (by my standards) actually available?[/QUOTE]How many you have that JUST french kiss you?
[QUOTE=Tomkat4848;1135544]Her SD (separate deal?) doesn't sound good. You were wise to refuse.[/QUOTE]SD=Sugar Daddy. She wants to be his mistress (except for whoever she has visit her that he doesn't know about) , have him pay her rent, all that. $$$$
[QUOTE=Offshore Racer;1136050]How many you have that JUST french kiss you?[/QUOTE]GFE can mean many things and each guy will have his own definition of what it means. I think GFE can be as little as some DFK to an extreme GFE which would mean BBBJ, DATY, DFK and even more! I won't get into specifics about what more could be but trust me that more is available in some instances to the "Right" guy!
OffShore. I respect your comments here and you seem to have a good feel for the workings of these girls and AMPs but I totally disagree with your theory of having to always increase the "Gift" to gain more access! I have been doing this a long long time and trust me when I tell you I do get GFE 95% of the time without ever giving any extra. I guess there are two ways you can attempt to get closer to these girls, one is to just feed them cash and the other is to take the time to get to know a girl, show her respect, present yourself as a complete gentleman, and have some form of cleanliness and appeal to these girls. My way takes much more work, but I find it so much more rewarding then just pumping out $50's to a girl who could care less about you. GFE to me means that the girl has some true feelings and is attracted to you also and truthfully turned on by your time together. You will never get beyond an act from these girls by just tossing some extra cash her way, sure the act gets a bit better but its still an act. If you ever get beyond the act you will know it for sure. Trust me! These girls get nailed all day long by guys who think they are God's gift, all these girls have a protective barrier and a polished act to get them through the hour and reap the benefits! For me breaking through that barrier is the true challenge.
I do think all this talk of "Extra" tipping may lead to higher rates as these girls do start to expect more. I won't go to OS because of the upsell, even with the beauty queens roaming the halls! I would rather go to an small volume AMP with just average girls who may be more willing to give a true GFE visit! For me even the average Korean girls are beautiful!
Muffy
Hi Guy's, I tend to agree with MuffD. No offense intended to Offshore or anyone else here. I have been frequenting the same spa for a while and have built relationships with Mamason and a few of my favorites. Building these relationships has also extended out to other shortimers that come to work at the spa because the other girls pass the word on that I am not only a good customer but also a good person. All of my visits are GFE and I have paid the same tip everytime I go visit, now sometimes I do bring gifts but nothing expensive. I will bring fruit or vegatables from the garden etc although at Christmas I did drop some cash on a gift for mama and my fav. Bottom line is that giving respect, being unassuming and letting the girls know that you care will go a long way. I have been lucky enough to build such good relationships that I been invited into their homes back in NYC and I have accepted these invites and been treated great not to mention that I have recieved GFE experiences while I have been there and not asked for a dime and I got the feeling if I did offer money it would have been taken as an insult. I am actually hoping that one of my ATF's will be vacationing with me in FL in the very near future.
[QUOTE=Offshore Racer;1135641]No, at OS it only drives up the price for ME. Because in my case, even in session 1, most times the girl will have already heard 1. I'm looking for GFE 2. I always pay a premium upfront. The client base at OS is much larger than most realize (I can give you a number in PM and it suprise you). A single customer cannot impact prices..[/QUOTE]By throwing extra cash at these girls, and especially in the form of a PRE tip, will undoubtably result in less service, both in time & quality, for the rest of us. If a girl knows her tip will be substantially less than what she receives from you why would she even want to give good service for less tip?
As far as OS goes, for me it doesn't matter too much, as I will only go there if I think things have changed (upselling & shorting on time ). After not going there for over a year I went a few weeks ago just to see if things improved, which they haven't. I paid for an hour & got 40 min. As much as I like Cece (Heidi) I'm through with OS. All I can say is I hope you don't venture out from OS and poison the other spas.
As far as GFE, I have had many terrific times with DFK, LFK, & offers of BBBJ, and not by throwing extra money out, but instead by being pleasant, respectful, clean, well groomed & friendly.
Actually a tip is something given in "return" for service. When it is expected upfront it is something entirely different and when asked "how much you tip?" will eventually get the spa in trouble & shut down.
Sorry for the rant, just couldn't help giving my $.02.