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[QUOTE=Camera3;2362511]I talked to one of our legendary ladies this morning and she is pissed at all of us because a few of you guys keep asking for stuff she has made clear she doesn't do. She is thinking of pulling the plug on all of us because, as she put it, no one answering her add on BP ever asks.
Way to go, morons. What the fuck are you thinking?
C3.[/QUOTE]See what us women have to deal with? . Tell her don't give up its plenty of non morons out here, to quit over the few morons.
[QUOTE=MissMurno69;2363161]See what us women have to deal with? . Tell her don't give up its plenty of non morons out here, to quit over the few morons.[/QUOTE]Sorry MissMurno and C3 but why is that a big deal? As a provider you should be prepare for times when customers ask for more than your service actually provides. I think is okay for a client to ask for more as well as it is right for a SP to set limits, at the end of the day is just a question. Sometimes we tend to forget how the market works.
[QUOTE=Petroff;2363569]Sorry MissMurno and C3 but why is that a big deal? As a provider you should be prepare for times when customers ask for more than your service actually provides. I think is okay for a client to ask for more as well as it is right for a SP to set limits, at the end of the day is just a question. Sometimes we tend to forget how the market works.[/QUOTE]Some are not just asking. They are pushy. At times blackmailing with threats of poor reviews. Good thing is they never have to see those douche bags ever again once they reveal themselves. For me I look at it as the girl is the boss. She calls the shots, I'm just the lucky guy she accepted to see. And we scoff that some have mgmt. If we were all completely respectable to these wonderful ladies we would not have to worry about half this shit. Treat them like you love them. Hopefully they can build a client base of good guys that they like to see and not have to worry about the clowns. Jmho.
I just read this more clearly and just wanted to state that yes I do work with a fellow provider some of y'all may no quite well Ms. Rachael White now Rachael23! We both take are job serious number 1 safety I no she's safe she no's I'm safe wwe live to enjoy another day when we have a member come visit us the other is never around never rushing always waiting patiently for our members to have a positive dream without a rrush! Number 2 funhobby69 the man on the other wall I have no clue what that is about the only men in my life are you fellow members and my daddy but he stays far away from what I do! I always want to feel safe and for you fellow members to feel safe as well! Take care hope not to have ran you off! Ashley23.
[QUOTE=FunHobby69;2359254]I debated coming into the "trap" but being a catalyst for the recent white knight discussion I thought I would throw out the question: what is a white knight? I provided a very positive and what I believe a well written articulate review of Ashley23. Had a return dream last night, also positive, and now concerned if I post a second review, I will be labeled a white knight because of other contemporaneous negative reviews. I don't believe that our community should "chill" the desire to publish short fictional stories. But I don't want to stir a Dallas redo and have some post count ***** eunuchs with zero to contribute on the bread and butter threads chime in and attack me. The fact is our canvases can sometimes be rather young, immature, and your mileage may vary on a day to day basis. Sometimes it's not them, it's the author; his appearance, attitude, expectation level, and his lens he sees thru on whether this hobby is a right or privilege. A SM previously provided good tips on how to treat the lady which I have followed to a tee; particularly asking them what they like also. Quite simple, treat them like you would a girl you have been dating and now how the opportunity to jump into the sack for the first time and you will increase your chances of being rewarded in return. And so, if I post a second positive review, particularly after the prior discussion, am I a white knight?
In rainbowdash3's defense, I always ask the lady if I can post a review (if it was a relaxing dream) and yes request she responds so I can establish some credibility which increases my hobbying opportunities. But I would never barter over a review in return and skew it for an acknowledgment as that constitutes treason to our fellow comrades in the foxhole IMHO. Impacts your credibility rainbowdash3. And on that subject, you indicated when you left the room, you noticed a girl sitting on the stairs giving you the evil eye. WTF, the cheap ass hotel has an internal hallway. There are no stairs visibility present except the standard emergency escape type behind a steel firewall door. So I don't know how you got eyeballed when leaving or how you could observe Ashley23 talking to this girl unless your loitering in an internal stairwell which is pretty awkward and not in your account, or how you know they saw your car as it would require them to leave the building entirely and step out into the parking lot. However, when I left the room, there was a white guy mid twenties or younger leaning against opposite hallway wall no more than 3 feet from me that gave new meaning to the term " mean mugging me". Scared the shit out of me. I likely will not return unless I get a satisfactory explanation.
On C3's take on capitalism, worked for me. First time painting on the canvas, the cost of supplies was 120 for the smaller canvas which I note was the box store's advertised price with the full canvas advertised at 160. For my second dream, the full canvas price was on sale. So thank you rainbowdash3. In both my painting of a story, there was no hidden fee, taxes. Love supply and demand of the free market.
So, I ask again, what is a white knight?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ashley23;2363763]I just read this more clearly and just wanted to state that yes I do work with a fellow provider some of y'all may no quite well Ms. Rachael White now Rachael23! We both take are job serious number 1 safety I no she's safe she no's I'm safe wwe live to enjoy another day when we have a member come visit us the other is never around never rushing always waiting patiently for our members to have a positive dream without a rrush! Number 2 funhobby69 the man on the other wall I have no clue what that is about the only men in my life are you fellow members and my daddy but he stays far away from what I do! I always want to feel safe and for you fellow members to feel safe as well! Take care hope not to have ran you off! Ashley23.[/QUOTE]Ashley it's Rachel21 LOL your 23.
ISO a Sub to do some house cleaning. Male or female.
Love To ALL.
Xo Ashley.
Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.
Pet,
Look at Michele's ad. It states clearly that she doesn't discount and don't ask. Well, some morons still ask. Why?
But look at it from a hypothetical SP's perspective. And this is actually part of a conversation I had the other day with a SP. She asked a legitimate question. "If you beat me up on price what kind of service do you think I am going to provide?" Think about it. This hypothetical SP has many, many good reviews. You talk her down on price. She gives you lack luster service and kicks you out early. What are you going to do? Write a bad review? Do you think anyone will believe you? Sorry, dude, you are just fucked all around.
Remember, we live in a world where 50% of the populations controls 100% of the pussy.
So, yeah, continue to piss off the ladies. Continue to think you are somehow a super stud when you are really a pathetic looser that hires ****** to fuck you. Keep pressing for the discount or some service you want that isn't on the menu. Great strategy.
Or, as my daddy taught me, don't get bigger than your raisin'. There is some really good talent out there that is cheap. These gals may not be legends or drop dead gorgeous, but the service is there for you at your price point. One day when you are worth something maybe you can step up and date a legend.
Just sayin'.
C3.
[QUOTE=Petroff;2363569]Sorry MissMurno and C3 but why is that a big deal? As a provider you should be prepare for times when customers ask for more than your service actually provides. I think is okay for a client to ask for more as well as it is right for a SP to set limits, at the end of the day is just a question. Sometimes we tend to forget how the market works.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Petroff;2363569]Sorry MissMurno and C3 but why is that a big deal? As a provider you should be prepare for times when customers ask for more than your service actually provides. I think is okay for a client to ask for more as well as it is right for a SP to set limits, at the end of the day is just a question. Sometimes we tend to forget how the market works.[/QUOTE]With asking, because you never know until you ask. But. To keep on and on and on when the SP has already given you the answer IS a big deal plus it isn't the way to get in between her legs. Again BUT. When someone calls and texts over and over again for months without actually pulling the trigger is a time waster as well as a game player. MIssMurno stated some of the guys text and call for months and even YEARS without setting an appointment! I'm pretty sure that's why she asked them not to text her anymore. Personally I don't blame her, hell I would have politely nipped that in the bud a loooong time ago. We have lives outside of the hobby guys we don't have time for games. We are not Dave & Busters. Just Say'and.
Love To ALL.
Xo Ashley.
Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.
I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.
Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.
Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.
Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.
Just me the guy writing, not the admin.
A2.
[QUOTE=Camera3;2364359]Pet,
Look at Michele's ad. It states clearly that she doesn't discount and don't ask. Well, some morons still ask. Why?
But look at it from a hypothetical SP's perspective. And this is actually part of a conversation I had the other day with a SP. She asked a legitimate question. "If you beat me up on price what kind of service do you think I am going to provide?" Think about it. This hypothetical SP has many, many good reviews. You talk her down on price. She gives you lack luster service and kicks you out early. What are you going to do? Write a bad review? Do you think anyone will believe you? Sorry, dude, you are just fucked all around.
Remember, we live in a world where 50% of the populations controls 100% of the pussy.
So, yeah, continue to piss off the ladies. Continue to think you are somehow a super stud when you are really a pathetic looser that hires ****** to fuck you. Keep pressing for the discount or some service you want that isn't on the menu. Great strategy.
Or, as my daddy taught me, don't get bigger than your raisin'. There is some really good talent out there that is cheap. These gals may not be legends or drop dead gorgeous, but the service is there for you at your price point. One day when you are worth something maybe you can step up and date a legend.
Just sayin'.
C3.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JoyToy;2364441]With asking, because you never know until you ask. But. To keep on and on and on when the SP has already given you the answer IS a big deal plus it isn't the way to get in between her legs. Again BUT. When someone calls and texts over and over again for months without actually pulling the trigger is a time waster as well as a game player. MIssMurno stated some of the guys text and call for months and even YEARS without setting an appointment! I'm pretty sure that's why she asked them not to text her anymore. Personally I don't blame her, hell I would have politely nipped that in the bud a loooong time ago. We have lives outside of the hobby guys we don't have time for games. We are not Dave & Busters. Just Say'and.
Love To ALL.
Xo Ashley.
Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.[/QUOTE]It says Joytoy as username but signed by me. I was over at Joys house last night and we were on her laptop looking through the forum (sometimes having a good laugh) and stumbled upon Mr Petroffs post. So we added our 4 cents.
Love To ALL.
Xo Ashley.
Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2364710]I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.
Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.
Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.
Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.
Just me the guy writing, not the admin.
A2.[/QUOTE]I would say most of the time. Rewarding me with some tremendous additional benefits from the providers. Tremendous.
I just tend to be a pretty easy guy to get along with, communicative, empathetic, I listen and that has worked well for me. I have dated quite a few of the active ladies here. I would really be interested in knowing. Ladies who I have loved, how is my style?
C3.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2364710]I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.
Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.
Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.
Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.
Just me the guy writing, not the admin.
A2.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MissMurno69;2362811]For those guys that have been texting me for year's and months and we never hooked up. You have to understand my point it's frustrating and I take it as you are bull shittin around. Please don't try and ruin my business, and say I have attitude because I simply ask you not to contact me!! Be professional and I wouldn't ask you not to contact me anymore. I been doing this six years and I take it as bull shit when you do that.[/QUOTE]I fully respect and appreciate the providers right to choose whom they deal with. I've had experience in the pay for play world for 20 years or so, and have been on both sides of this coin. I've had providers that I have longed to see that I have never managed to hook up with. Some are like the mythical unicorn that no matter what I try it just simply will never work out. If it is a case that she does not want to see me for some personal choice than please say so. I would like to direct my attention to somebody that is interested. However if said provider is just stringing me along to spare my feelings, or avoid confrontation, well then that just sucks. I don't like to waste my time anymore than the next person.
In defense of the other side, I have had providers that have misunderstood the relationship or grown too familiar causing them to bother me for dates, money, a ride, etc. To the point that I would have to end the relationship. It's always funny to me how a business relationship can move into the girlfriend zone when the money becomes consistent. My problem with that is, I am only paying to fuck, I have no desire to take you to the store, or hear about your problems.
On a somewhat related topic, for many years I have had the idea of creating a "john" driven backwards BP or Facebook type of site. A place where all those interested in the company of a provider can post their profile and interests, the amount they wish to contribute for the specific activities they desire, etc. The providers can join, shop around, see what tickles their fancy and contact the men to set the dates. Before you poo poo on the idea, please understand I'm speaking in generalities, and fully understand their are many logistical hurdles to overcome. In principal though I think it would be interesting. The idea originally popped up in my head from a very sexy girl that has never worked in this industry who told me she wishes she knew every know and then if a hot guy would give her money, because she would probably fuck him anyway. Would such a site bring out a flurry of UTR talent?
Of course the downside to such a site would be pointing the lens back at ourselves. I wonder how we as clients would all fair in the reverse situation. Would we appreciate reviews from providers commenting on hygiene, genital size and stamina? I'm not sure how much I would enjoy reading: "go see WinterparkFL, he has a tiny dick, but don't worry he is clean and will be finished in three minutes anyway. ".
[QUOTE=Rachel21;2364306]Ashley it's Rachel21 LOL your 23.[/QUOTE]LOL I thought so after I wrote it but I couldn't ask cause you were busy so I thought just maybe!
[QUOTE=Admin2;2364710]I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.
Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.
Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.
Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.
Just me the guy writing, not the admin.
A2.[/QUOTE]There is much truth in what you said here, but the same could be said about C3. There are all kinds of ladies out there and that is why we continue to search.