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Ok, this kinda shit drives me nuts. Who the hell are you talking about folks. ? if you talk in puzzle, its just not going to help me or other's who can't decode your secret clues. LOL.
PM's OK if the name can't be shared of course.
[QUOTE=Bigbuck73;2474259]If a provider feels comfortable with giving you her actual name, great. But it is not your call to give it out to anyone else.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChickaAmante;2474300]Ok, this kinda shit drives me nuts. Who the hell are you talking about folks. ? if you talk in puzzle, its just not going to help me or other's who can't decode your secret clues. LOL.
PM's OK if the name can't be shared of course.[/QUOTE]No secret clues or innuendos.
This is not a tease thread.
The post was about how guys feel about ANY provider who might do that.
She has not returned a text or 2 any word. Not like her. PM.
Fitter.
[QUOTE=DrRock;2471006]I had the pleasure of visiting Miss Victoria a few nights ago at her safe and clean residential location in the Eastgate area. She is full-figured, very passionate, submissive, and (without a doubt) provided one of the best oral sessions I've experienced. She has a full menu and focused on me the entire time. Definite repeat!
DR.[/QUOTE]DR,
Based on your unequivocal, glowing review for this provider, I made an appointment. While I appreciate you TOFTT, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel slightly misled by your review. That said, maybe we can chalk this up to simply using different terminology as my definition of a full figured woman is clearly very, very different from yours. This provider has a BMI of about 50. She is roughly 5'5 and 250. While she is friendly and does aim to please, I would be surprised if any objective monger who saw her would pay her rate to see her again. I wouldn't repeat even for free.
[QUOTE=Enricojinx;2475631]DR,
Based on your unequivocal, glowing review for this provider, I made an appointment. While I appreciate you TOFTT, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel slightly misled by your review. That said, maybe we can chalk this up to simply using different terminology as my definition of a full figured woman is clearly very, very different from yours. This provider has a BMI of about 50. She is roughly 5'5 and 250. While she is friendly and does aim to please, I would be surprised if any objective monger who saw her would pay her rate to see her again. I wouldn't repeat even for free.[/QUOTE]More cushion for the pushin.
Called Shelly V three times no answer no get back. Left a voice mail NOTHING Then contacted Cami the spinner in Ky No answer no get back. Then tried Jenna of Dayton no answer which is highly unusual for her and also tried KKink with no answer also unusual for these two. Ladies this is a business Even the courtesy of a response or a simple no interest fine. Left my screen name for contact with first two and a brief description with the later of having contacted before. Either business is off the charts or business acumen of the first two is much to be desired. These are not argumentative comments but merely contact descriptions of non responses. A simple explanation would suffice. Sorry for the semi rant but this goes on too much yet guys keep asking about them Why reward poor responses Too many to worry about a few but it is good to know about the few who do not respond. As I said very unusual for JofDayton and KK. They are usually fun ladies who will help you take a load off your stress level. The other two need work.
Thanks for keeping it real Enrico. I have been burnt before by misleading reviews like the one you state from DR. It may be all real for him but our reality is different. So my conclusion, I know what to expect when I read DR's reviews.
[QUOTE=Enricojinx;2475631]DR,
Based on your unequivocal, glowing review for this provider, I made an appointment. While I appreciate you TOFTT, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel slightly misled by your review. That said, maybe we can chalk this up to simply using different terminology as my definition of a full figured woman is clearly very, very different from yours. This provider has a BMI of about 50. She is roughly 5'5 and 250. While she is friendly and does aim to please, I would be surprised if any objective monger who saw her would pay her rate to see her again. I wouldn't repeat even for free.[/QUOTE]
Is it just me or do some of the reviews in the Classified section seem like overhyped ads? I have seen some of the girls mentioned and I am wondering if they are referring to the same person. Not that I am complaining about anyone's performance, but if some of these girls are that gorgeous and have great personalities, etc. , why are they doing tricks for 100/ hhr? I guess I can understand the hype if there's a discount involved.
That around here, [B]"full figured"[/B] is [I]usually[/I] code for [B]"fucking fat, but I can only live with myself if I say something else."[/B].
[QUOTE=Enricojinx;2475631]DR,
Based on your unequivocal, glowing review for this provider, I made an appointment. While I appreciate you TOFTT, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel slightly misled by your review. That said, maybe we can chalk this up to simply using different terminology as my definition of a full figured woman is clearly very, very different from yours. This provider has a BMI of about 50. She is roughly 5'5 and 250. While she is friendly and does aim to please, I would be surprised if any objective monger who saw her would pay her rate to see her again. I wouldn't repeat even for free.[/QUOTE]
I don't think DR misled anyone in his review; he mentioned full-figure, and that's what it means, there is a little more there than a "spinner."
I also contact Miss Victoria last week via text, and her second message to me back was "I am full-figure," which led me to ask for images, which she supplied. She was pretty open and honest about her figure. And to be honest, that is some people's cup of tea.
But don't blame DR; he left enough info there for you to make an informed decision, and you could have asked her more if you needed it. And I'm sure she would have been happy to comply.
I will add this: when I arrived to meet Miss Victoria, an issue came up where she had unexpected company at her apartment (shit happens); she was very open and told me about it; she came out to talk with me about it and I found her her very nice and pleasant. I could absolutely see OTHER providers not give you a heads up until you are in the living room or with your pants down, and then what do you do? It cost her some cash, but she let me know and we worked on another time. I will give her credit for that.
Overall, your review was pretty mean-spirited on her size; you were forewarned and didn't bother checking with the provider. Your problem, not DR or Miss Victorias.
[QUOTE=Enricojinx;2475631]DR,
Based on your unequivocal, glowing review for this provider, I made an appointment. While I appreciate you TOFTT, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't feel slightly misled by your review. That said, maybe we can chalk this up to simply using different terminology as my definition of a full figured woman is clearly very, very different from yours. This provider has a BMI of about 50. She is roughly 5'5 and 250. While she is friendly and does aim to please, I would be surprised if any objective monger who saw her would pay her rate to see her again. I wouldn't repeat even for free.[/QUOTE]
There are many kinds of them Small bbws medium bbws and large. There are guys for all three. Most bbws describe themselves as full figured which means heavy set depending on size / height. The operative lesson is if you don't like BBW's then don't see them or you can do as has been suggested ASK MORE QUESTIONS. If you want to treat a woman with respect think ten times before you call a woman FAT. Many mongers have a paunch but do not consider themselves FAT just PLEASINGLY PLUMP. Same goes for ladiesThe more polite thing would be to say you are not what I am seeking but thanks for being honest. Now that father Pussy Man has given the daily lesson in verbal etiquette, go out and find "SOMEBODY TO LOVE" as Freddie Mercury would say. JMO.
Let's be honest, he has 10 posting and 7 were made in 1 day. Yeah, he's the expert.
[QUOTE=Josh88;2476762]Thank you for those comments. I am glad to see there is still some sanity and objectiveness out there in mongerland.[/QUOTE]
First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.
Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.
Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.
I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?
Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.
Bless you all.
HH.
[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.
Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.
Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.
I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?
Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.
Bless you all.
HH.[/QUOTE]My friend, you obviously are a man of morals and compassion, which is why you feel the way you do. I am very much like you, and have fallen into this sexual trap myself over the last couple of years. I haven't partaken in the hobby for over 4 months now, and have made myself a promise to stay out. I try to help those providers I have befriended, but just as a friend. I encourage them to get out of the trap, as they ALL feel trapped in this lifestyle. Most are from badly broken families or from a foster care background. The vast majority have a drug addiction to feed, and most have children who are being raised by a drug addicted prostitute (not the best for the next generation). The best thing you and I can do (and anyone else out there who feels like we do) is to not continue the enableing by paying these women for sex. Besides, LEO is all over this city trying to ruin reputations. I decided I have too much to lose to continue and the best I can do to make up for my past mistakes is to help some of these women break out and get a real life outside the hobby. I commend you for coming to the realization that what we do (or did) is wrong on all fronts. The only "good" thing is a temporary sexual release, and sometimes it's not even that "good"! God bless you, friend!
[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.
Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.
Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.
I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?
Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.
Bless you all.
HH.[/QUOTE]No blow up. But consider this. Why didn't you just drive on over to a fast-food carryout and get her some food before you took her home? AND / OR- if you thought she was honestly broke, open your wallet (or drive to an ATM) and give her an extra $ to get her by for a few days. It seems like you spend that kind of money on people during your "day job. ".
Which means it's not personal. You seem to be taking it personally. If the level of customer service you are getting from these girls bugs you, don't contact them again.
Not trying to be a dick, and I've never contacted those girls you mentioned, but the ones I have almost always reply back. If they don't, I move on and don't get angry about it.
[QUOTE=PuntangMan;2475947]Called Shelly V three times no answer no get back. Left a voice mail NOTHING Then contacted Cami the spinner in Ky No answer no get back. Then tried Jenna of Dayton no answer which is highly unusual for her and also tried KKink with no answer also unusual for these two. Ladies this is a business Even the courtesy of a response or a simple no interest fine. Left my screen name for contact with first two and a brief description with the later of having contacted before. Either business is off the charts or business acumen of the first two is much to be desired. These are not argumentative comments but merely contact descriptions of non responses. A simple explanation would suffice. Sorry for the semi rant but this goes on too much yet guys keep asking about them Why reward poor responses Too many to worry about a few but it is good to know about the few who do not respond. As I said very unusual for JofDayton and KK. They are usually fun ladies who will help you take a load off your stress level. The other two need work.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather not have a review saying someone is gorgeous just because they're inexpensive.
Plus all this shit has some subjectivity anyway. Maybe they weren't the same person for you that they were for the reviewer. Just sayin.
[QUOTE=Josh88;2475989]Is it just me or do some of the reviews in the Classified section seem like overhyped ads? I have seen some of the girls mentioned and I am wondering if they are referring to the same person. Not that I am complaining about anyone's performance, but if some of these girls are that gorgeous and have great personalities, etc. , why are they doing tricks for 100/ hhr? I guess I can understand the hype if there's a discount involved.[/QUOTE]
It seems to me that your stated daytime efforts are in direct conflict with your mongering activities. I mean, really? The nearly exact type of person you're trying to help during the day is the same one you're taking advantage of at night? You aren't a catholic priest are you?
OK, that was little mean. But seriously, maybe this type of activity isn't for you. Or you could stop using broke SW and go for higher end, non-desperate types.
[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.
Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.
Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.
I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?
Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.
Bless you all.
HH.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.
Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.
Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.
I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?
Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.
Bless you all.
HH.[/QUOTE]Don't get personally involved. Don't fall in love. Don't believe lies. Leave her a nice tip and that's it, period. Don't ever give your name or where you reside. If LE sees you riding around with her even for something philanthropic you got their attention on you. You will open Pandora's Box. Stay safe, JG.
[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.
Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.
Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.
I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?
Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.
Bless you all.
HH.[/QUOTE]If you read the ads of these providers most of them will tell you how much they love what they do, but if you get to really know them they will eventually tell you how much they hate the biz, and are stuck in it for one reason or another. Some providers do truly love the life, but most providers become good actors and you will never know their true dislike for what they're doing. But if you are going to play you have to harden your heart and mind against their situation, otherwise you'll wind up in the poor house, and most likely will not succeed in permanently saving anyone. Be kind to them, treat them with respect, be gentlemanly, but try to keep the relationship within the bounds of a business understanding for your own sake.
[QUOTE=PussyLuver57;2477311]My friend, you obviously are a man of morals and compassion, which is why you feel the way you do. I am very much like you, and have fallen into this sexual trap myself over the last couple of years. I haven't partaken in the hobby for over 4 months now, and have made myself a promise to stay out. I try to help those providers I have befriended, but just as a friend. I encourage them to get out of the trap, as they ALL feel trapped in this lifestyle. Most are from badly broken families or from a foster care background. The vast majority have a drug addiction to feed, and most have children who are being raised by a drug addicted prostitute (not the best for the next generation). The best thing you and I can do (and anyone else out there who feels like we do) is to not continue the enableing by paying these women for sex. Besides, LEO is all over this city trying to ruin reputations. I decided I have too much to lose to continue and the best I can do to make up for my past mistakes is to help some of these women break out and get a real life outside the hobby. I commend you for coming to the realization that what we do (or did) is wrong on all fronts. The only "good" thing is a temporary sexual release, and sometimes it's not even that "good"! God bless you, friend![/QUOTE]A number of you have shared your views on this and I certainly can relate. I have been there. The real problem, though, is much bigger. Prostitution, as it is in most other parts of the world, should be legalized. These beautiful women should be allowed to offer their services at market rate.
But you know this isn't going to happen because power longs for more power and we currently have a police system that is out of control. This is merely one spoke in the wheel, that all ties together. Another key spoke is drugs. If both would be legalized so many of the problems these women have to deal with would disappear.
Under the current system it is a never ending downward spiral for these women. They get busted, then they have a record, then they can't get a job, which only forces them back into the business.
As to "don't feed the animals" approach, how does that solve anything, other than to clear your conscience? The analogy should be to abortion. Nobody WANTS to do it but sometimes it is necessary. Making it illegal only drives it into back alleys where worse damage can and will be done. Legalize it all, put in some restrictions, as to where these activities can take place and let the chips fall where they will. That is the best shot many of these women will ever have.
The best advice I have read below is if your conscience is really bothering you when you see one of these gals, who are in obvious need of food / money, either take them to a fast food restaurant or give them some money, and be on your way. You can still help, even if your conscience won't allow you to participate. We already have WAY too many preachers in the world. Do something that truly, immediately makes a difference, if only for another day.
[QUOTE=HobbyHobo;2477103]First of all, I am ranting because you, my fellow brothers and sisters, are the only ones I can rant to. I started mongering last year, very light mongering mind you, just to reward myself a little. I seriously pour myself into my community to help those in need the most. (I work a full-time job too). Specifically very sick children, their families, and often the elderly. I put an insane amount of time and money and my heart into doing for others. Making them laugh, inspiring them to grow, or comforting them when they are lonely. And I absolutely love doing it, it is incredibly rewarding personally. And I do it for free, often spending my own money for things that must be bought. I don't do it to get something back, the people I see can't afford to do that anyway. But every now and again I wish someone would save my life, even for a few moments. That's what I thought when I got my first "massage" with a very happy BBBJCIM ending that this was a pretty cool thing and it wasn't so bad. And everyone left happy. People don't need to know the pain that I am in.
Lately I've been picking up SWs. And tonight I picked one up who I think was homeless, and maybe a little strung out. Now, I know "they all have a story" but I am a pretty good judge of character. We found a nice dark place, and my dome light wouldn't go out so I got a great look at her face. She was very pretty, too pretty to be a WSW, she should have been in college or home watching TV or out with her friends. Then I let her start a BJ but stopped her after a couple of minutes.
Here is what my heart was telling me, Dude, she was giving me signals. I think she was hungry, I should have fed her. She didn't have clean clothes, hadn't bathed in a couple of days, I could have bought her some clothes. Dude, this chick is freakin homeless. And I am having a serious battle with my conscience right now, because she needs someone to save her. Dude, I'm a tough dude, I've through a war, been in my share of shit, and this one experience has brought me to tears and made me feel guilty as hell. I paid her well and took her back to her place.
I'm sorry, I don't have anyone else to tell this to. Not my wife, children, friends, coworkers, or pastors. Just you guys. I'm sure someone is going to blow me up over this so go ahead. I'm ready for it. Feel free to PM me too. Seeing her eyes and face tonight got to me. They were the eyes and face of someone who didn't want to be there doing what she was doing. And reading about people we see and review on here dying because of an OD. I don't know man, What am I doing?
Sorry for the rant and the rain on the parade. I am looking forward to your comments.
Bless you all.
HH.[/QUOTE]I understand where you're coming from. My random thoughts here:
1) First, stop picking up SWs. Cold turkey. This is just the opinion of one guy here, but that scene is way, far too risky anymore and has been for some time. I dabbled in the SW scene here back in the '90's, but LE started to really crack down on the SW scene here about 20 years ago when Main St. Became the en vogue place, and that's about the time I quit doing it. I would do some window shopping periodically after that, but that was about as far as it went and I don't even window shop anymore. And really, why would I, when I at least have the benefit of the internet now? Both then and now, the SW scene has chicks whose problems are severe & that will never change.
2) If you need to engage in the hobby anyway, then at least deal with escorts in hotels or working out of private residences. True, sometimes, these chicks are just a step or two removed from the SW scene, but at least your odds of having to deal with LE (and maybe even STDs, though perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part) are a bit less here.
3) I can't seem to stop either. I go through a lot of burner phones because I "quit. " Sometime for a while, sometimes not. But especially at this time of year when women in everyday life are showing more skin, I somehow end up in a motel room or a crappy apartment with a tattooed, shaved college age woman.
4) Maybe you need to cool it on how much you're doing for others. You can't save others, whether they're providers or Joe Schmo. Who are you really doing it for anyway? If you're going to do charity work, then do something that helps other dudes so there isn't that mixed motive there.
Feel free to PM me if you want, as I do know where you're coming from.
[QUOTE=PuntangMan;2475947]Either business is off the charts or business acumen of the first two is much to be desired. [/QUOTE]My take is business has heated up. I had a pretty standard rate I would pay, until recently. There have been many comments by guys who had come into the area saying we had it great here because we have plenty of women and the rates are very reasonable. I think that is still the case but with more guys jumping into the hobby, rates are rising.
These gals aren't stupid. They will list a rate and some guys will not haggle. The more guys who are willing to pay the listed rate, the more firm these gals get on their listed prices. Word travels fast, very fast. So, newbies, gamblers and out-of-towners, do us a favor, don't act like an adolescent in heat. It hurts us all. Show a little patience, a little resolve.
First I am not going to quote your post and waste space.
To HH:
Its nice to have someone who has not turned completely cynical and wants to make a difference. Those are admirable traits and you shouldn't be come jaded like myself and many others.
Now quit seeing Street Walkers, you have too much to lose. This is the most high risk end of our hobby and an arrest or STD will bring great pain to people you care about. If your feeling guily about this SW just imagine how you'll feel if something goes wrong and your family finds out.
If you need companionship to get you through try the higher end escort or better yet for you a sugar baby arrangement. This would allow you to actually help someone you will actually know something about.
Those of us who have been in the hobby for more than a decade have all tried to help someone and I don't know of a single instance where it turned out well. I personally lent an escort $1200.00 dollars only never to hear from her again.
If you want to help this particular young lady do not have sexual elations with her. Get her something to eat, get her into The Anna Louise Inn.
The choice will be hers, but let her know she has options other than being a SW.
Good Luck.
RIL.
I don't want to haggle. If I think a girl is worth it, I don't mind paying higher amounts and leaving a good tip. The reason I do that is because I want them enthusiastic about replying to my text and setting something up. This is pretty much standard in any service industry.
I'm not putting anyone down for wanting to haggle, but don't get upset if they cancel with you to schedule with someone that feels and acts the way I do.
So basically I agree with you. These gals aren't stupid. I'm glad.
[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2477796]My take is business has heated up. I had a pretty standard rate I would pay, until recently. There have been many comments by guys who had come into the area saying we had it great here because we have plenty of women and the rates are very reasonable. I think that is still the case but with more guys jumping into the hobby, rates are rising.
These gals aren't stupid. They will list a rate and some guys will not haggle. The more guys who are willing to pay the listed rate, the more firm these gals get on their listed prices. Word travels fast, very fast. So, newbies, gamblers and out-of-towners, do us a favor, don't act like an adolescent in heat. It hurts us all. Show a little patience, a little resolve.[/QUOTE]
Has anyone else noticed that websites of some of our favorite "courtesans" have been cock blocked? I will name a few. Tori and Vixen Star. They used to be free to see picture galleries. Now I have to pay $24.95 for a monthly membership. Umm. No thanks. Somehow EE gets around it through a tab that has "models". No way will I pay to see blurred faces and "R" rated pics.
[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;2477796]My take is business has heated up. I had a pretty standard rate I would pay, until recently. There have been many comments by guys who had come into the area saying we had it great here because we have plenty of women and the rates are very reasonable. I think that is still the case but with more guys jumping into the hobby, rates are rising.
These gals aren't stupid. They will list a rate and some guys will not haggle. The more guys who are willing to pay the listed rate, the more firm these gals get on their listed prices. Word travels fast, very fast. So, newbies, gamblers and out-of-towners, do us a favor, don't act like an adolescent in heat. It hurts us all. Show a little patience, a little resolve.[/QUOTE]Because the female market is saturated also The OPERATIVE WORD FROM AN OFFER OF NEED FOR SERVICES IS NOOOOOO! What you don't find from one you can find from another. Dollars pay bills, buys food, clothing, sends kids to school, pays car payments and rent. Pussy gets that paid but it is the dollars that pay it. Not being rude or crude just being logical. You can have the finest psy in the world but unless you can reach and agreement with the client, they all have a hard time getting paid.
They set them up, post pics and other content, then forget about them except to link to in ads.
The company that owns the domains fucked them all over by moving all the pics behind a paywall. It was pretty well executed, and while it sucks, you have to have little respect for the shenanigans. For everyone that signs up, they make some cash. The girls [B]may not know how[/B] to turn it off and expose their pics again. It was a major coup, and free money to the company that let those girls set up their site.
[QUOTE=Ball1972;2478060]Has anyone else noticed that websites of some of our favorite "courtesans" have been cock blocked? I will name a few. Tori and Vixen Star. They used to be free to see picture galleries. Now I have to pay $24.95 for a monthly membership. Umm. No thanks. Somehow EE gets around it through a tab that has "models". No way will I pay to see blurred faces and "R" rated pics.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RickElliot75;2477000]Let's be honest, he has 10 posting and 7 were made in 1 day. Yeah, he's the expert.[/QUOTE]You could be correct in alluding that there may be an ulterior motive for his posts. Some people post just to spout on a particular girl or rant about a particular issue, so you never know if what he's saying is genuine? I was in the hobby for 25 yrs. Before I made my first post on here, so you never know what brings someone out of the woodwork. We can only take his word that he actually saw her. However, the spirit of what he said rings true.
[QUOTE=PussyLuver57;2477311]My friend, you obviously are a man of morals and compassion, which is why you feel the way you do. I am very much like you, and have fallen into this sexual trap myself over the last couple of years. I haven't partaken in the hobby for over 4 months now, and have made myself a promise to stay out. I try to help those providers I have befriended, but just as a friend. I encourage them to get out of the trap, as they ALL feel trapped in this lifestyle. Most are from badly broken families or from a foster care background. The vast majority have a drug addiction to feed, and most have children who are being raised by a drug addicted prostitute (not the best for the next generation). The best thing you and I can do (and anyone else out there who feels like we do) is to not continue the enableing by paying these women for sex. Besides, LEO is all over this city trying to ruin reputations. I decided I have too much to lose to continue and the best I can do to make up for my past mistakes is to help some of these women break out and get a real life outside the hobby. I commend you for coming to the realization that what we do (or did) is wrong on all fronts. The only "good" thing is a temporary sexual release, and sometimes it's not even that "good"! God bless you, friend![/QUOTE]I agree. I will not knowingly see any one with a drug problem. The best way we can help those afflicted is to not supply them with $$$ to fuel their habit.
[QUOTE=Nexttocincy;2467989]Does anyone know what happened to Petra? She just vanished into thin air.[/QUOTE]I was actually wondering the same thing. I have seen her a few times, she was one of the first providers I wanted to see. Not sure if she is going through things again. Some providers disappear briefly but come back, like Dawn, but I'm not sure what happened to Petra.
[QUOTE=Resipsaloquito;2477866]First I am not going to quote your post and waste space.
To HH:
Its nice to have someone who has not turned completely cynical and wants to make a difference. Those are admirable traits and you shouldn't be come jaded like myself and many others.
Now quit seeing Street Walkers, you have too much to lose. This is the most high risk end of our hobby and an arrest or STD will bring great pain to people you care about. If your feeling guily about this SW just imagine how you'll feel if something goes wrong and your family finds out.
If you need companionship to get you through try the higher end escort or better yet for you a sugar baby arrangement. This would allow you to actually help someone you will actually know something about.
Those of us who have been in the hobby for more than a decade have all tried to help someone and I don't know of a single instance where it turned out well. I personally lent an escort $1200.00 dollars only never to hear from her again.
If you want to help this particular young lady do not have sexual elations with her. Get her something to eat, get her into The Anna Louise Inn.
The choice will be hers, but let her know she has options other than being a SW.
Good Luck.
RIL.[/QUOTE]Good thoughts from all. It's hard not to have compassion, at least for some of us, but you've also got to remember that 1) providers are often very good at sensing who they can play and do so relentlessly; 2) by giving them extra help you're most likely to just make it easier for them to buy drugs. Believe me, I've been there, done that. There are providers who've gotten out of the life, I know. I hope permanently. I don't know of any cases where the intervention of a hobbyist caused this to happen. It happened because they made a firm decision to do so, got help and showed the personal fortitude to make things work -- generally with the help of a program, religion, whatever works for them. Not to say you should be cold hearted about it and never help alleviate some short-term suffering, but your odds of doing something to "save" a provider are exceedingly low until she truly decides to save herself.
[QUOTE=TheGardener1;2478138]I agree. I will not knowingly see any one with a drug problem. The best way we can help those afflicted is to not supply them with $$$ to fuel their habit.[/QUOTE]You will have no one to see. See no, hear no, speak no.
[QUOTE=TheGardener1;2478138]I agree. I will not knowingly see any one with a drug problem. The best way we can help those afflicted is to not supply them with $$$ to fuel their habit.[/QUOTE]It doesn't seem like there is much that can be done with someone hooked without counseling and rehab. Whether or not an individual gives them money they will find it. How many of the girls have evened up stealing or worse when their business dries up.
[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2478846]You might want to speak for yourself, or those you see. I know several providers that don't do drugs, myself included, so I am sure he will have several to see.[/QUOTE]Service, affordability and spoiling for themare the keys. Good point Ms Sinful.
It will be a dry one for me. No takers for dinner, dessert, and back for fun BCD. Again we have had this discussion before but having perused the posts it seems a number of mongers have contacted ladies with no responses. Ladies state their disdain for clients who do not follow through with their appointments and men have done the same. When one has contacted 11 ladies with no responses even when voice mails are left, frustration is the order of the day. Speaking with a lady last evening she suggested that unless responses were forthcoming keep a black book coded of course and do your damned best to never call them again because if they are fking you the bad kind with shoddy business practices they are doing the same to others. The hills are alive with candidates so the loss of a dozen or two are no big deal. Just keep ben around and keep on hunting. Have a good weekend everyone and stay wet the good kind of course. If I wanted the other I would continue to take showers. In this case mine will probably be the cold kind. BMack.
[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2478846]You might want to speak for yourself, or those you see. I know several providers that don't do drugs, myself included, so I am sure he will have several to see.[/QUOTE]Good for you. However, the reality is an extremely high percentage of providers use drugs. You may catch some that are not using temporarily. You may not be able to detect it. But, my point was, if you are only going to see providers you know to not be using, it is a fool's errand. And everyone who has been doing this for any length of time knows this. I admire his conviction, though.
I'm pretty aligned with 3 Minute on this one. It doesn't make sense to me that the answer would be to stop buying the services of providers. Yes, some (or many?) of them feel trapped, but trapped by what? By mongers? Maybe I'm just naive, but it seems most of us that hobby have respect for the providers. That ought to translate into allowing them to be empowered to decide how they pull themselves out of whatever situation they are in. For some of the providers, it means not judging them for this lifestyle which they have chosen for themselves. One could argue that this is a supply and demand issue, but if demand were to disappear overnight, would it necessarily improve the lives of the providers? I really don't think so.
This hobby provides mutual benefit and should absolutely be legal. The best we mongers can do in our role is be respectful and fair about the service being provided.
[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2478846]You might want to speak for yourself, or those you see. I know several providers that don't do drugs, myself included, so I am sure he will have several to see.[/QUOTE]I've been seeing this one provider for 19 months now. A very classy woman. I know where her monies go and it's definitely not drugs. So Dude, not all ladies are drug users. I'm very lucky to have met her not as an escort but because she's a very classy woman.