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[QUOTE=Shazbot1960;1121665]Its in the same shopping center as ballys hot stone on Buford hwy, just north of 285.[/QUOTE]Actually, they're in adjacent buildings. If going north on Buford Hwy north of I-285, they're just a few blocks up on the right, kinda on a hill. Bally's is in a 2-story building with a Korean restaurant on the bottom floor.
[QUOTE=Jaykusz;1119129]I think she said Laura.[/QUOTE]You may have seen Laura but, if so, you got your facts wrong. You said the woman was 21. Laura is 28 and has been in the biz for quite a while, rotating between K Treatment and Green Sauna. Laura's English isn't great but if one is familiar with AMP girls, it's clear she isn't a newbie to the business. She initially appears to be a little timid so it might appear that she's a newbie but I've seen her twice over the course of a year.
[QUOTE=Big Money; 1121225]If you want to see an Haitian lady without the Afro-American attitude, check out.
[url]http://houston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sexy-haitain-goddess-rubdown-23/9736014[/url]
And yes, the price is not a typo. 100 got me FS with this chick that would normally cost 150-200 in Atlanta. And yes, she talks with that French-Haitian accent, even during the BBBJ.
Yes, I am in Houston right now, while you guys in Atlanta are snowed in with most of the pussys hibernating based on all the great reports I see. I flew into Houston last Saturday before the snow, and looks like I won't be back till this Saturday because of all the icing. I'm getting drained from all the cheap pussys here. I've got a regular to overnight with tonight for 250. Given my age, I'll probably get in 3 pops, but I hate to waste all my cum on one chick so I might do 2 pops and save 1 for another chick from the BP like this one.
[url]http://houston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/full-body-rubdowns-by-lynn-24/9721521[/url]
And no, it is not a typo 60 for 60 minutes and 90 for 90 minutes. Going rate extras are 40. No haggling. No YMMV. It's all understood including the good massage.
With all you mongers cum backed up during this snow in, there may be a free for all, all out jailbreak to see your favorite providers when the road conditions get better. I'm sure the ladies will be busy in Atlanta. Try not to pay too much for cheap pussys, or act like a jerk because I get plenty of cheap pussys here in Houston without having to act like a jerk to get my money's worth. [/QUOTE]Big Money,
I am glad you are having fun in Houston with all the Cheap pussy BUT from what all the players I know in Houston they get ALL the free pussy they can handle all they have to do is just walk into a night club in look fly have hair on point dress fly and be in shape.
THAT must be why all the pussy is so cheap! Because most guys in Houston don't have to trick on wh$res those ho's must be so happy when tricks come in from out of town paying and buying up all the pussy in town, because the locals must not be buying all the pussy up?
From what I see it's the market because when I go to Thailand I go nuts paying for what I think is cheap pussy BUT to the locals it's the normal price and they get free ass as well they count on the horny ass tourists to come in town like they do in Houston, so to me I am wondering? WHY even pay for ass even IF it's $20 when most of the guys I know from Houston don't feel the need to trick a dime on ass since most have 3-4 dimes they seeing there and would get piss if anyone ask them to trick on pussy lol
So yes we are snowed in here in Atlanta that's our excuse BUT hell if most of us were in Houston I think we will be able to luck up on a lot of free ass like I said there is a reason WHY pussy so cheap there because the guys in Houston don't have to pay for it IF they have any game at all.
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1121982]Big Money,
I am glad you are having fun in Houston with all the Cheap pussy BUT from what all the players I know in Houston they get ALL the free pussy they can handle all they have to do is just walk into a night club in look fly have hair on point dress fly and be in shape.
THAT must be why all the pussy is so cheap! Because most guys in Houston don't have to trick on wh$res those ho's must be so happy when tricks come in from out of town paying and buying up all the pussy in town, because the locals must not be buying all the pussy up?
From what I see it's the market because when I go to Thailand I go nuts paying for what I think is cheap pussy BUT to the locals it's the normal price and they get free ass as well they count on the horny ass tourists to come in town like they do in Houston, so to me I am wondering? WHY even pay for ass even IF it's $20 when most of the guys I know from Houston don't feel the need to trick a dime on ass since most have 3-4 dimes they seeing there and would get piss if anyone ask them to trick on pussy LOL.
So yes we are snowed in here in Atlanta that's our excuse BUT hell if most of us were in Houston I think we will be able to luck up on a lot of free ass like I said there is a reason WHY pussy so cheap there because the guys in Houston don't have to pay for it IF they have any game at all.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]KC.
I got a feeling that Big Money is just trying to have all of us fellow mongers try to establish a set rate at AMP's or any other service in the ATL lower than what it is now. We all understand that every city is different in how much you pay and that is because of the market that people are willing to pay. People in Houston are willing to pay for that set price but anything higher, they probably walk. But here in the ATL, some people were willing (and still are) to pay $200-$350 to just get some asian ass in the ATL. Whether you're a baller or not, there's no need to pay for more than what the product is worth.
I was very appreciative when you and other senior mongers helped everyone out by telling people to put your foot down to $160. 00 flat for FS and AMP. Now I (and others) can walk-in to a AMP and if they're not willing to give me that price, I walk and then they come back and negotiate. It doesn't work every time because of other people are willing to pay more, but if more people use this tactic. 160 will be the standard rate. Either way, we're bringing the price closer to what the value of ass is worth here in the ATL instead of having the AMP assume the sell of $200-$350.
With Big Money, I really don't think its all about being jerks that will drive the price up, however, I do believe in some type of etiquette. But supply and demand is what dictates the price. I just think that treating the girls with respect will give better service and treatment during the session and not affecting the price.
And to respond to the other guy, I don't think Big Money is being a cheap ass but the point is somewhat smart. For example, I will not buy a Toyota Camry for 30K when the car is valued at 20k. If a car salesman keeps telling me that its worth 30K, then I walk and find another dealership that's willing to go down to what the car is really worth. If you ever bought a vehicle, majority of the people can relate to this point. You go to multiple places and see where you can get the best price for that vehicle.
IMO, If you don't do price comparison or negotiating when mongering out in the ATL, than you are just throwing money away. I understand that there are times we are in need for a release or just don't want to haggle to get a lower rate cause we are all horned up, but people in general doesn't want to pay more than what a product is worth no matter how bad you want it. If a girl is telling me service is more than 160 total, I walk and find another AMP person that's willing to give me that price. So this tactic is not a cheap ass move but instead, smart.
At least that's my 2 cents.
Atlasiangirth
[QUOTE=Atlasiangirth; 1122010]KC.
I got a feeling that Big Money is just trying to have all of us fellow mongers try to establish a set rate at AMP's or any other service in the ATL lower than what it is now. We all understand that every city is different in how much you pay and that is because of the market that people are willing to pay. People in Houston are willing to pay for that set price but anything higher, they probably walk. But here in the ATL, some people were willing (and still are) to pay $200-$350 to just get some asian ass in the ATL. Whether you're a baller or not, there's no need to pay for more than what the product is worth.
I was very appreciative when you and other senior mongers helped everyone out by telling people to put your foot down to $160. 00 flat for FS and AMP. Now I (and others) can walk-in to a AMP and if they're not willing to give me that price, I walk and then they come back and negotiate. It doesn't work every time because of other people are willing to pay more, but if more people use this tactic. 160 will be the standard rate. Either way, we're bringing the price closer to what the value of ass is worth here in the ATL instead of having the AMP assume the sell of $200-$350.
With Big Money, I really don't think its all about being jerks that will drive the price up, however, I do believe in some type of etiquette. But supply and demand is what dictates the price. I just think that treating the girls with respect will give better service and treatment during the session and not affecting the price.
And to respond to the other guy, I don't think Big Money is being a cheap ass but the point is somewhat smart. For example, I will not buy a Toyota Camry for 30K when the car is valued at 20k. If a car salesman keeps telling me that its worth 30K, then I walk and find another dealership that's willing to go down to what the car is really worth. If you ever bought a vehicle, majority of the people can relate to this point. You go to multiple places and see where you can get the best price for that vehicle.
IMO, If you don't do price comparison or negotiating when mongering out in the ATL, than you are just throwing money away. I understand that there are times we are in need for a release or just don't want to haggle to get a lower rate cause we are all horned up, but people in general doesn't want to pay more than what a product is worth no matter how bad you want it. If a girl is telling me service is more than 160 total, I walk and find another AMP person that's willing to give me that price. So this tactic is not a cheap ass move but instead, smart.
At least that's my 2 cents.
Atlasiangirth[/QUOTE]Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a WINNER!
Yes, Atlasiangirth got it right on the money!
Not only does the going rate needs to be established, but the going rate needs to go DOWN with everyone working together!
160 is a start but 120 is very realistic, but still 20 higher than in Houston.
If the provider like the Hispanic Veronica is advertising 60 in Houston. 120 in DC and 150 in Atlanta, it just shows you how much of a sucker she thinks you Atlanta guys are. See.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/BodyRubs/massage-therapy-student-best-body-rubs-in-atlanta-21/7688338[/url]
As Atlasiangirth mentioned, most of the rate is driven by Supply / Demand, but treating the girl nice instead of a jerk can also factor into the Supply / Demand, and being a regular client will also help as well, as I was hinting all 3 in my post from Houston. Here are the 3 common mistakes that I read most from the Atlanta mongers:
1) Atlasiangirth already explained about overpaying.
2) Why treating the girls nice instead of like a jerk can affect the Supply / Demand? The girls are the Supply and we the mongers are the Demand. If there are more girls than mongers, then the rate goes down. If there are less girls than mongers, then the rate goes up.
I've seen girls run to the airport to get the first flight out of Hartsfield because of difficult customers. And guess who is left to work? Yep, all these old ugly mamasans that I keep reading you guys complaining about. And there are still enough horny mongers willing to jack up the rate with the old ugly mamasans?
So by the fact that Houston is cheaper than Atlanta means there are more girls working in Houston than Atlanta, and would rather work at a cheaper rate in Houston than Atlanta.
So what can you mongers do to make more girls want to work in Atlanta? Be nice to them. Degrading them or acting like a jerk, just make them want to pack up and leave, therefore, there are less girls working and the price goes up.
3) Too many YMMVs. I can't believe how varying the service it is with you guys? And how you act like a jerk when you it varies.
Learn to be a regular customer. Going with the same girl 2-times in a row is not shameful, or any less manly of you. That is how you build a rep among the girls, and less YMMV.
If you get good service with a chick, go back to her again. And she will probably give you more than the first time. Now when you return for the 3rd time and she is there, ask for another chick. The girl that you went with the first 2-times will tell the other chick, you are nice and to treat you nice-therefore, less YMMV. And by the 5th or 6th trip, if you go back to the first girl again and tell her that you only have 140 instead of 160. Guess what? She will most likely go for it because you are a regular that was nice, and not the "butterfly" or the "new girl killer" like what the K-chicks call guys who always go with a new girl every time-not that there is anything wrong with it. But if you want to drive down the price and less YMMV, try being a regular not just to the AMP but with the same chick a few times.
And another thing to try, if the same mamasan is always there, tip mamasan a token of appreciation like 10-20 one or two times. If you don't want to tip but mamasan knows you, call up before you go to the AMP, and ask mamasan if she needs anything from the store? Believe me, stop by Krogers and pick up some cupcakes or fruit platter will make some girls stay and mamasan will tell all the girls to give you BBBJ. And when times are slow, mamasan will forget to call time. And sometime mamasan may even ask you to stay for dinner if you are there during dinner time. Of course, you got to like kimchee.
It is up to you guys to follow my recommendations to see if the going rate falls or rise, or if more chicks start working in the AMPs. It may not work every time, and it will take a collective effort. A few bad apples can ruin the bunch. Look at the bigger picture instead of your current hard-on.
If the going rate starts falling in Atlanta, trust me, you will see more reports from me in Atlanta than in Houston or any where else.
BTW, I am overnighting with a different regular tonight in Houston for 200, and she does Greek as well. I told her I'm broke and have to return to Atlanta tomorrow. Since I've been seeing her for over 5-years, she trusts me and is less formal with me from the business standpoint.
I hope the snow is melted and my car starts up when I get back to Atlanta tomorrow.
And as I have said before, I didn't become Big Money without first being a cheap bastard.
Look guys to me I don't see working girls that much to be worrying about what some Kim-cee breath working girl tells her friends or another hooker LOL I haven't seen a hooker in this city in years worth me seeing 5-6 times spending over $1, 000 to see if I can build up a rep so she can spread the word on me that I am a good TRICK? LOL WTF? LOL
Oh I can see it now he seen me for 4-6 years spent over $6, 000 on me he lick me out real good and kiss me all over my body and cum right on the dot in 45mins he was a gooood trick WTF?
Look guys I am sooo glad that some of you listen to me by ONLY paying $160! For these hookers to tell you the truth I WOULDN'T WANT TO FUCK A working girl IN A MASSAGE PARLOR for less than $140 LOL I hate to think of how many tricks a ho see if she charge $60 bucks like those ho's in Houston LOL LOL.
Like I said before paying and trickin and seeing the same ho's for 5, 6 10 years isn't my thing spending up to or over $30, 000-$40, 000 on pussy isn't my thing to get a good word from some hooker that I am a nice sweet trick? I rather be known as the type of monger that have a no nonsense mind-set or that I am a asshoe that don't play games in the room! And I better get my full time and I better get a good Blowjob! LOL this is what I care about.
I am glad to hear if these slick rip-off broken down ho's are running to the airport LOL that's GREAT! If a hooker isn't going to act right she need to be gone! Look I am from here a REAL Grady baby I was born here most of the tricks that live here now came from other cities I bet most of the guys on this site don't know 12 people that was born here? You see what I mean so all this guys in Atlanta are this and that is BS.
Most cats I know that are from here I mean born here don't even trick on ass, they grew up being use to seeing fly chicks and don't trip over a BIG ASS OBESE HOOD RATS it's these clowns from out of town that be throwing money on working girls making it rain in the strip clubs you see in most cities the girls can't get all the way NUDE! Like they do here you see trickin is a mind-set.
The only time I even go to strip clubs are when guys come here from out of town I may have been to 3 strip clubs in the last 15 years, the point I am making is guys from here are use to this shit and aren't driving up the price.
Now, I am going to keep it really REAL I really don't care if girls come here or not IF they going to bring bullshit mind-set from other cities here! So they can get the hell on ASAP.
Check this out remember when all those fine ass Brazilian girls started coming here 4-7 years ago? When they were charging $150 and fucking your brains out? Each week there were 5-6 new ones wasn't it? Than the NICE SWEET SIMPIN TRICKIN CLOWNS started coming here TIPPING THOSE HO'S telling them how fine they were some even asked some of them to marry them playing Capt. Save a ho in shit.
What happen than the prices shot up to $250-$300! I knew many of these chicks before they got off the plane here I knew them in Rio and Sao Paulo were they were charging $50 for the night!
Wonder why you don't see them now here? I have my guess I chat with many of them on facebook or see them when I go to Brazil, many of those houses / apt got raided because Asians was tipping off the cops because they were loosing money to those fine round BUNDA Brazilians LOL, also jealous ass tricks and Capt save ho simps was calling cops on them and some of them got married to tricks and moved away, of course some went back to Brazil once their Visa ran out.
But, really guys paying for ass is all good hell I do it, BUT to spend $40, 000 on hookers seeing them 5-6 years seeing the same one 6-8 times in a roll is over doing it, I am at the point now with so much skymiles I fly for free I rather travel the world see different countries eat different food etc, BUT when I do see a chick here I pay the $160 and than move on BESIDES like I think Nite said these chicks come in go so fast so building up a so-called good name so ho's can say you are a GREAT trick doesn't make sense besides what make a good trick anyways? One that pay the asking price in cum in a few seconds and then tip her and see her 6 times in a roll? Hell forget all that.
I know some of these chicks here can be a hand full BUT taking your time and not being a push over and being a simp these chicks here will respect you and give you some ass cook you a meal you just have to be a guy they want to do it for with so many GAY guys here in this city if a guy is fit have a good job have a house,car he can pull a dime here and IF you still want to see a hooker just pay $160 and than move on.
Kid Cisco
Guys,
Went to Houston yesterday. You won't believe it. I saw a girl who looked like Jennifer Lopez yesterday for two hours and it only cost me $20. And that's only because I insisted on tipping her for all the unmentionable acts she performed willingly. Most of the pussy here is free. Plus they all look like their hot, hot Houston backpage pictures, they're always there when you call them, and they're all the most compliant, desirable, disease-free women on earth. Plus did I mention they don't charge anything? The AMPs down here smell like a home-cooked turkey dinner and are loaded with hot Asian women who usually refuse to take your money after providing the best massage of your life and mutual full-service. And don't get me started on the low, low prices on escorts who would cost you $1, 000 a night in Atlanta.
Sure the city's a shithole that no self-respecting corporation would locate its headquarters in, and sure the architecture and cultural life stink and you can't make any real money here. But free pussy! Who can pass that up?
Do like I did: just abandon your house in Atlanta, leave your high-paying job, skip out on all the good restaurants and high-paying jobs and move to Houston. Your dick will thank you for it!
[QUOTE=Big Money; 1122471]Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a WINNER!
Yes, Atlasiangirth got it right on the money!
Not only does the going rate needs to be established, but the going rate needs to go DOWN with everyone working together!
160 is a start but 120 is very realistic, but still 20 higher than in Houston.
QUOTE]
I believe he meant 160 including house fee
I am not sure whether anyone has posted a video on here before or if you guys would be interested. But I found this absolutely hilarious and kinda sorta relevant to what AMPs are doing these days (figurative of course).
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWYXwjJhAU&feature=channel[/url]
Hello all from the Illinois boards,
I am coming into town for a week or so very soon and will be staying north of Atlanta in the Roswell area. Can you possibly give me some suggestions on MP's to visit I am looking more for the "standard" treatment at an MP with BBBJ is as far as I would want. Any thoughts would be appreciated, just PM me please.
[QUOTE=Captain Howdy; 1122486]Guys,
Went to Houston yesterday. You won't believe it. I saw a girl who looked like Jennifer Lopez yesterday for two hours and it only cost me $20. And that's only because I insisted on tipping her for all the unmentionable acts she performed willingly. Most of the pussy here is free. Plus they all look like their hot, hot Houston backpage pictures, they're always there when you call them, and they're all the most compliant, desirable, disease-free women on earth. Plus did I mention they don't charge anything? The AMPs down here smell like a home-cooked turkey dinner and are loaded with hot Asian women who usually refuse to take your money after providing the best massage of your life and mutual full-service. And don't get me started on the low, low prices on escorts who would cost you $1, 000 a night in Atlanta.
Sure the city's a shithole that no self-respecting corporation would locate its headquarters in, and sure the architecture and cultural life stink and you can't make any real money here. But free pussy! Who can pass that up?
Do like I did: just abandon your house in Atlanta, leave your high-paying job, skip out on all the good restaurants and high-paying jobs and move to Houston. Your dick will thank you for it! [/QUOTE]Hmmm. Going to Houston for a weekend to get some ass is tempting but it doesn't seem logical from a money and quality-girl stand point. We would have to consider all the expenses (air fare, hotel for the weekend, and a rental car) on top of the fact that you pay the hoe that we choose to fuck. That would probably cost as much or a little more than getting 2 nice looking escorts in the ATL.
As long-term standpoint in moving to Houston, I don't think even in a fantasy world that I would drop my high paying job and life so I can live in a city that is considered the armpit of Texas just for some pussy, so I'll pass on that too.
I guess my problem is that I'm always thinking with the head on top instead of the one on bottom, LOL. I guess that's a good thing in preventing me from going broke.
Very tempting None the less, LOL. I'll be the first one to sign-up when Airtran has roundtrip fairs for a benjamin, LOL.
Atlasiangirth
[QUOTE=Hobby For All; 1122496]
[QUOTE=Big Money; 1122471]Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a WINNER!
Yes, Atlasiangirth got it right on the money!
Not only does the going rate needs to be established, but the going rate needs to go DOWN with everyone working together!
160 is a start but 120 is very realistic, but still 20 higher than in Houston.[/QUOTE]I believe he meant 160 including house fee[/QUOTE]Yes I did, thank you for the correction Hobby. I think for the future, I'm going to leave out dollar signs and periods when communicating rates on the board in order to avoid confusion.
Atlasiangirth
[QUOTE=Ozymandias; 1121559]So with all the buzz about CoCo at Sedona Relaxation. Buzz which I verified as well as possible via due diligence (reviews from multiple sources, detailed description, etc). And the fact I happened to be in Macon, I decided it was worth the gamble (I say this because AMPs have been utterly disappointing lately) to visit for an hour.
The good: Prix fixe menu ($60 for the hour, $100 for FS) , decently attractive girl with a great, slim body, pleasant if business-like demeanor. Nice. If brief. Erotic bodyrub.
The bad: VERY rushed (as in, I got 26 minutes for my hour fee) , girl (CoCo) obviously not wanting to do anything beyond quick CBJ, bounce into a fucking position, make client cum, get him out of there. Not inventive or playful at all.
A waste of time and money.
O.[/QUOTE]I experienced same problem. I will think twice before going back.
If You want to drop the going rate it has to first start with changing the system at the Atlanta AMPs.
Why I say this is because the owners / managers train the girls to take as much money from clients as possible so their cut from that money is bigger. I have argued many times with management about this.
They at least want the girls to bring out 2-300 dollars and if you don't they start to harass you. So I think the owners and managers need to wise up and change it to the system they have in Houston and other parts of the country. We all know the economy is bad and people don't have a lot of extra money to spare. The owners of these type of places need to realize the economy is not the same as it was during the late 1990's or early 2000. If the system changed you'd see a lot more girls being flexible in their rates and more of a variety in girls.
I used to work in Houston at a place called Wild Orchid and the house fee was 40 which went all to the house and the girl would charge anywhere from 80 to 100 for FS.
Excellent posts, please keep 'em coming!
[QUOTE=Jasmine Smith; 1122616]If You want to drop the going rate it has to first start with changing the system at the Atlanta AMPs.
Why I say this is because the owners / managers train the girls to take as much money from clients as possible so their cut from that money is bigger. I have argued many times with management about this.
They at least want the girls to bring out 2-300 dollars and if you don't they start to harass you. So I think the owners and managers need to wise up and change it to the system they have in Houston and other parts of the country. We all know the economy is bad and people don't have a lot of extra money to spare. The owners of these type of places need to realize the economy is not the same as it was during the late 1990's or early 2000. If the system changed you'd see a lot more girls being flexible in their rates and more of a variety in girls.
I used to work in Houston at a place called Wild Orchid and the house fee was 40 which went all to the house and the girl would charge anywhere from 80 to 100 for FS. [/QUOTE]A noble goal but how likely is it the "system" will change? We mongers want to spend as little as possible, the providers want to make as much as possible. While there is ample room for negotiation with individual providers, I wouldn't expect a wholesale discount on trim because of the economy.
[QUOTE=StarFleet;1122772]A noble goal but how likely is it the "system" will change? We mongers want to spend as little as possible, the providers want to make as much as possible. While there is ample room for negotiation with individual providers, I wouldn't expect a wholesale discount on trim because of the economy.[/QUOTE]Oh yea, I do expect discounts due to the bad economy. The rates here are jacked up because there are fewer customers. Common sense would tell them to cut rates. Looks like the Houston AMP's have a constant supply of customers, due to their decent rates. Simple Econ 101.
Maia is back in business once again. Last weekend the lights were off but today I noticed an ad on BP so I called. Went over there and was greeted by a 40+ woman, not to my liking. I asked for another choice and she said the other woman was busy. Keep in mind there were no other cars in the lot when I arrived. I asked again and finally she yelled for the mamasan. To say the mamasan was a fat cow is an understatement. I wouldn't fuck her if she paid me.
Left and went over to Evergreen. Same two women as I posted on last week. The curvy one came to the room and I didn't feel like going anywhere else so opted for the half hour for $40. Cha Cha, as she's called, is about 40 years old (she'll claim to be 28) , is 5 ft. Tall, has very curvy hips and a decent ass for a Korean. Turns out she was wearing a padded bra as her supposed D-cups turned out to be B-cups with very thick nipples. She wouldn't budge from $120 for FS so I went for it. Cha Cha has a vertical scar but other than that a good body for a woman her age. Did mish and finished with doggy but it was all business. She didn't want to ride cowgirl and at first refused to let me suck her nips but I pinned her arms down and she relented.
Wouldn't recommend.
[QUOTE=Travelin Man3; 1122531]Hello, all from the Illinois boards,
I am coming into town for a week or so very soon and will be staying north of Atlanta in the Roswell area. Can you possibly give me some suggestions on MP's to visit I am looking more for the "standard" treatment at an MP with BBBJ is as far as I would want. Any thoughts would be appreciated, just PM me please. [/QUOTE]BBBJ at an AMP? Very rare. The best way to get that is to scour the Backpage ads for a provider in your area.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1122821]Maia is back in business once again. Last weekend the lights were off but today I noticed an ad on BP so I called. Went over there and was greeted by a 40+ woman, not to my liking.[/QUOTE]What did the 40+ women look like? There use to be a lady named BB that was a little on the heavy side, but massive boobs. Face 6 Body 6 Enthusiasm 8
[QUOTE=ShortFoot;1122779]Oh yea, I do expect discounts due to the bad economy. The rates here are jacked up because there are fewer customers. Common sense would tell them to cut rates. Looks like the Houston AMP's have a constant supply of customers, due to their decent rates. Simple Econ 101.[/QUOTE]The rules of basic economics don't fully apply to an underground economy. Risk is still there and so is the premium customers pay, so I wouldn't expect an exact supply-&-demand correlation. That aside, the current state of the economy leaves ample opportunity for negotiation. If AMPs are seeing fewer customers and they are firm on prices, they may be open to including "freebies" or "extras" that make your experience worthwhile. Last summer I was able to experience the young and extremely attractive mamasan at a Tampa AMP using negotiation.
Not every AMP may be open to this but that's business. Those that are will likely see repeat customers and, once the economy improves, be in the better position to capitalize on that. If they aren't busted by the cops.
[QUOTE=Kneedown1974;1122882]What did the 40+ women look like? There use to be a lady named BB that was a little on the heavy side, but massive boobs. Face 6 Body 6 Enthusiasm 8[/QUOTE]She was an average Korean. Long straight hair, A-B cups, not very curvy, small eyes and very noticeable wrinkles. When I called, the mamasan said "everyone is new."
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1123080]She was an average Korean. Long straight hair, A-B cups, not very curvy, small eyes and very noticeable wrinkles. When I called, the mamasan said "everyone is new."[/QUOTE]Next time, I am walking in with my iPad and saying I want this girl. Or this one. Ok this one. . Still can't believe the fake advertising keeps on bringing in the idiots that keep on paying.
I stopped by Aromatherapy yesterday for a session. I drew Jessica, who I saw last month and paid $200. This time, I simply left $160 on the table without saying anything. Anyway, she started in with a decent BBBJ, but when I went to return the favor she kept her legs closed. WTF? I guess that meant no, so I rolled with it and moved on. We continued to the main event, with CBJ, missionary, doggie, missionary, then back to CBJ. At this point, I asked her to spin around for some 69. She then said,"You only pay $160, $60 for house, $100 for me. You pay more if you want that. Only $100 not enough." I told her no fucking way am I paying more, and she finished me with a decent HJ with a sort of detached scowl on her face. So, I reduced my price from $200 to $160, but Jessica was clearly not very happy about this reduction, and it obviously showed in her service, which was much worse than the previous session. I would have complained to the MMS, but the MMS was nowhere to be seen or found when I was leaving. I'm scratching that place off my list unless some new talent arrives.
LKgirls, you erred big time, after her attitude you should have just paid the house fee and received the TS and massage and then walked out without tipping. IMHO, guys who spoil these girls by paying $100 for just a HJ is just plain stupid.
[QUOTE=Love Kgirls;1123413]I stopped by Aromatherapy yesterday for a session. I drew Jessica, who I saw last month and paid $200. This time, I simply left $160 on the table without saying anything. Anyway, she started in with a decent BBBJ, but when I went to return the favor she kept her legs closed. WTF? I guess that meant no, so I rolled with it and moved on. We continued to the main event, with CBJ, missionary, doggie, missionary, then back to CBJ. At this point, I asked her to spin around for some 69. She then said,"You only pay $160, $60 for house, $100 for me. You pay more if you want that. Only $100 not enough." I told her no fucking way am I paying more, and she finished me with a decent HJ with a sort of detached scowl on her face. So, I reduced my price from $200 to $160, but Jessica was clearly not very happy about this reduction, and it obviously showed in her service, which was much worse than the previous session. I would have complained to the MMS, but the MMS was nowhere to be seen or found when I was leaving. I'm scratching that place off my list unless some new talent arrives.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Love Kgirls;1123413]I stopped by Aromatherapy yesterday for a session. I drew Jessica, who I saw last month and paid $200. This time, I simply left $160 on the table without saying anything. Anyway, she started in with a decent BBBJ, but when I went to return the favor she kept her legs closed. WTF? I guess that meant no, so I rolled with it and moved on. We continued to the main event, with CBJ, missionary, doggie, missionary, then back to CBJ. At this point, I asked her to spin around for some 69. She then said,"You only pay $160, $60 for house, $100 for me. You pay more if you want that. Only $100 not enough." I told her no fucking way am I paying more, and she finished me with a decent HJ with a sort of detached scowl on her face. So, I reduced my price from $200 to $160, but Jessica was clearly not very happy about this reduction, and it obviously showed in her service, which was much worse than the previous session. I would have complained to the MMS, but the MMS was nowhere to be seen or found when I was leaving. I'm scratching that place off my list unless some new talent arrives.[/QUOTE]Love kgirls,
WOW, Since I put out the $160. 00 and NO MORE! I feel I need to put a few things out there you kind of fuck up by seeing the same girl WITHOUT saying shit to her before making the deal let her know UP FRONT this is ALL I have and this is what I want! She than can say yes or say no it's SIMPLE but once you got into the act you lost your power of the deal because she took your money already.
I would still go there if I was you BUT don't see the same ho unless she allow you to do everything you want for the same price. No matter how long I will be in this hobby I still will NEVER see why would anyone pay to eat out a kim-cee eating working girl you never met before, that seen 3-4 tricks before you walk in? As much as guys demand these chicks to suck them without a rubber and allow them to get sprayed with their cum all over their mouth and lips and than get mad because these working girls won't kiss them on the mouth WTF?
I just had to put that out there but hell IF you eating her out it seem to me that she should deduct money off the price since she is getting her pussy ate out? Sorry you pussy eaters I don't get it some of the shit I have done over the years to these chicks like going it in their ass a few times than having her suck me some than go in her pussy some than repeat it in her ass a few strokes etc. Etc. And than a trick comes in and want to 69 their ass WTF?
I have NEVER kiss a ho on the mouth and never will, or even think of eating one out even with a gun to my head LOL
Ok bottom line I know many of you guys love and just can't help from eating out these working girls so here is the deal ask how much for what you want to do 69, eat her out, anal (and trust me many will do this 1st tell them you just want to put the head in and than once in push all of it in LOL LOL they love it) see if you want the massage before or after the act, get all that work out before you pay them.
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=ShortFoot;1123539]LKgirls, you erred big time, after her attitude you should have just paid the house fee and received the TS and massage and then walked out without tipping. IMHO, guys who spoil these girls by paying $100 for just a HJ is just plain stupid.[/QUOTE]If I read his post correctly, the finish was just HJ, but the menu included FS in multiple positions. The only thing not on the menu was 69. He tried once, her body language said no. And then he tried again and she said not enough $. Mind you, he paid 200 last time with her. I have been following the posts on the rates, and 160 seems in order to me for this area and what the service was. I have found that at 20-40 for HJ. 60-80 for oral and 80-100 for FS usually leaves both parties satisfied. My only caveat is that the girl looks decent and not some old fugly broad that could be confused with the Michelin Man. Obviously others feel differently and that is okay, last time I checked there was not a mongering guild or AMP union that set rates. I am just grateful for the reports so I can make my own decision if I want to check a place out of not. I am sure not a popular opinion, but it is just that, an opinion.
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1123565]Love kgirls,
WOW, Since I put out the $160. 00 and NO MORE! I feel I need to put a few things out there you kind of fuck up by seeing the same girl WITHOUT saying shit to her before making the deal let her know UP FRONT this is ALL I have and this is what I want! She than can say yes or say no it's SIMPLE but once you got into the act you lost your power of the deal because she took your money already.
I would still go there if I was you BUT don't see the same ho unless she allow you to do everything you want for the same price. No matter how long I will be in this hobby I still will NEVER see why would anyone pay to eat out a kim-cee eating working girl you never met before, that seen 3-4 tricks before you walk in? As much as guys demand these chicks to suck them without a rubber and allow them to get sprayed with their cum all over their mouth and lips and than get mad because these working girls won't kiss them on the mouth WTF?
I just had to put that out there but hell IF you eating her out it seem to me that she should deduct money off the price since she is getting her pussy ate out? Sorry you pussy eaters I don't get it some of the shit I have done over the years to these chicks like going it in their ass a few times than having her suck me some than go in her pussy some than repeat it in her ass a few strokes etc. Etc. And than a trick comes in and want to 69 their ass WTF?
I have NEVER kiss a ho on the mouth and never will, or even think of eating one out even with a gun to my head LOL
Ok bottom line I know many of you guys love and just can't help from eating out these working girls so here is the deal ask how much for what you want to do 69, eat her out, anal (and trust me many will do this 1st tell them you just want to put the head in and than once in push all of it in LOL LOL they love it) see if you want the massage before or after the act, get all that work out before you pay them.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]Not interested in 69 of DFK with any of these girls for all the reasons you mentioned. Besides, you may have been the monger right before me.
Also want to clarify that I also agree if anyone wants a service beyond HJ, CBJ, or CFS. These should be made clear before forking over any green.
Opps my bad! You are correct AmpFme. I did not read his comments fully, I guess he did get FS and a CBJ but a meal at the Y was rejected. All in all, not a bad deal for $160.
[QUOTE=Amp Fme;1123567]If I read his post correctly, the finish was just HJ, but the menu included FS in multiple positions. The only thing not on the menu was 69. He tried once, her body language said no. And then he tried again and she said not enough $. Mind you, he paid 200 last time with her. I have been following the posts on the rates, and 160 seems in order to me for this area and what the service was. I have found that at 20-40 for HJ. 60-80 for oral and 80-100 for FS usually leaves both parties satisfied. My only caveat is that the girl looks decent and not some old fugly broad that could be confused with the Michelin Man. Obviously others feel differently and that is okay, last time I checked there was not a mongering guild or AMP union that set rates. I am just grateful for the reports so I can make my own decision if I want to check a place out of not. I am sure not a popular opinion, but it is just that, an opinion.[/QUOTE]
KC, you make some great points about why NOT to eat a ho's pussy BUT what about the many married women who out there fucking dudes on the side to earn extra money. Most are dishing out BBBJ's, DFKing and the husband is completely clueless about what's going on.
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1123565]Love kgirls,
WOW, Since I put out the $160. 00 and NO MORE! I feel I need to put a few things out there you kind of fuck up by seeing the same girl WITHOUT saying shit to her before making the deal let her know UP FRONT this is ALL I have and this is what I want! She than can say yes or say no it's SIMPLE but once you got into the act you lost your power of the deal because she took your money already.
I would still go there if I was you BUT don't see the same ho unless she allow you to do everything you want for the same price. No matter how long I will be in this hobby I still will NEVER see why would anyone pay to eat out a kim-cee eating working girl you never met before, that seen 3-4 tricks before you walk in? As much as guys demand these chicks to suck them without a rubber and allow them to get sprayed with their cum all over their mouth and lips and than get mad because these working girls won't kiss them on the mouth WTF?
I just had to put that out there but hell IF you eating her out it seem to me that she should deduct money off the price since she is getting her pussy ate out? Sorry you pussy eaters I don't get it some of the shit I have done over the years to these chicks like going it in their ass a few times than having her suck me some than go in her pussy some than repeat it in her ass a few strokes etc. Etc. And than a trick comes in and want to 69 their ass WTF?
I have NEVER kiss a ho on the mouth and never will, or even think of eating one out even with a gun to my head LOL
Ok bottom line I know many of you guys love and just can't help from eating out these working girls so here is the deal ask how much for what you want to do 69, eat her out, anal (and trust me many will do this 1st tell them you just want to put the head in and than once in push all of it in LOL LOL they love it) see if you want the massage before or after the act, get all that work out before you pay them.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShortFoot;1123596]KC, you make some great points about why NOT to eat a ho's pussy BUT what about the many married women who out there fucking dudes on the side to earn extra money. Most are dishing out BBBJ's, DFKing and the husband is completely clueless about what's going on.[/QUOTE]Well, I got to agree with KC here. It wouldn't matter if the provider is a housewife that is doing this on the side or if she's a crack baby that's been hoeing for 20 years. First of all, none of know what we can catch from a provider whether it's coming from her or the countless number of mongers she's been fucking. Once you get that shit, it's too late and strapping urself isn't always 100% proof. Got a few friends I know that can put that on the record.
With that much risk, now people are thinking about DATY? There's no protection for that and the fact that you want to do that after she fucked a bunch of mongers before you? There's no way in cleaning that pussy out thoroughly. Would if the monger before you had his umbrella break and came all inside her without her knowing? Even if she did know, you think she's going to take the time to wash herself out after every monger when there's a line of clients she has to see per day. If your still considering it after that Visualizing that shit, be my guest. But I have to pass on that brothers.
Atlasiangirth
All I 'm saying is this, it's not only providers ho'ing around, we have SO's, such as wives, daughters, GF's ho'ing to make an extra buck.
[QUOTE=Atlasiangirth; 1123653]Well, I got to agree with KC here. It wouldn't matter if the provider is a housewife that is doing this on the side or if she's a crack baby that's been hoeing for 20 years. First of all, none of know what we can catch from a provider whether it's coming from her or the countless number of mongers she's been fucking. Once you get that shit, it's too late and strapping urself isn't always 100% proof. Got a few friends I know that can put that on the record.
With that much risk, now people are thinking about DATY? There's no protection for that and the fact that you want to do that after she fucked a bunch of mongers before you? There's no way in cleaning that pussy out thoroughly. Would if the monger before you had his umbrella break and came all inside her without her knowing? Even if she did know, you think she's going to take the time to wash herself out after every monger when there's a line of clients she has to see per day. If your still considering it after that Visualizing that shit, be my guest. But I have to pass on that brothers.
Atlasiangirth[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShortFoot;1123661]All I 'm saying is this, it's not only providers ho'ing around, we have SO's, such as wives, daughters, GF's ho'ing to make an extra buck.[/QUOTE]The fact of the matter to me is very simple we can go on with IF IF IF IF IF all the day there is no IF seeing a working girl at a massage parlor or seeing a ho on back page we know she is seeing guys and fucking guys ALL day everyday, every week, every month for years IF a wife or daughter is doing it who knows? I just know I DON'T EAT OUT ANY CHICK UNLESS I HAVE BEEN DATING HER FOR MONTHS! Living with her or knowing that she clean her ass go to get check ups etc. Etc. But to pick up a phone and call up some trashy ass working girl and run to the ATM and run inside a hotel and spread her legs wide open only after 5mins of walking in the door licking out her ass and pussy out when she just finish fucking her pimp without a rubber isn't for me guys.
Kid Cisco
The fact of the matter to me is very simple we can go on with IF IF IF IF IF all day long BUT there is no IF seeing a working girl or at a massage parlor or seeing a ho on back page we know she is seeing guys and fucking guys ALL day everyday, every week, every month for years IF a wife or daughter is doing it who knows? I just know I DON'T EAT OUT ANY CHICK UNLESS I HAVE BEEN DATING HER FOR MONTHS! Living with her and knowing that she clean her ass go to get check ups etc. Etc. But to pick up a phone and call up some trashy ass working girl and run to the ATM and run inside a hotel and spread her legs wide open only after 5mins of walking in the door licking out her ass and pussy out when she just finish fucking her pimp without a rubber isn't for me guys.
For so many guys on here that are so smart have good jobs check for spelling and point out errors and typo's go out and do some dumb shit that don't make any sense to take such risks over ones life, keep on doing it IF that's your thing.
P.S. I can't delete the other post I made.
Kid Cisco
I know to each his own and all that, and we all just take part in differing levels of debauchery. But I don't understand some of that shit either.
I like pussy, tits, and and hell I even like the ass with a rubber on. But then I hear about guys who want to eat rotten asian pussy. Want it to squirt all over their face, and then stick their tongue in the girls asshole. I just don't get it. And yes safety is one reason I don't get it. But the main reason is just the "what the fuck" factor for me.
I'll stick to BJs, and full service thank you very much. And you better believe I'm strapping on a condom with these 1000 mile hoes.
Stopped by Spa Bella in Duluth today. Got a short but cute Viet woman who's 24. She actually gave a good massage, no draping and even grazed the goods a few times. Thought for sure I could get a HJ out of her but no dice. Even asked if I could do a DIY with her assistance but she refused. She wouldn't even let me rub her ass!
Then stopped by Absolute Salon on Buford Hwy. Missy, who used to work at Spa Bella, runs the place. She had called me a couple months ago and hinted she'd do a HJ as she wouldn't do shit at Spa Bella. Decided to take the plunge with her today. Got naked on the massage table and reminded her of her promise. She pretended like she had no clue what I was talking about, so I hopped off the table, got dressed and left. No money spent.
Then went over to Super Salon on Peachtree Industrial. The mamasan called Wendy in for me. Apparently Wendy now works at a salon in Suwanee but occasionally stops over at Super Salon to make a buck. It was closing time so I got a massage for $40 with HE. Wendy has nice tits and a round-ish ass so I had a good time.
I hear you my brother! I'm an equal opportunity fucker. If a girl gives me a BBBJ, I'm more inclined to return the favor by dinning at her Y, but it better be fresh/neat looking as well as freshly scented. BTW, the pussy in the pic, I'd be more inclined to leave the hell alone!
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1123760]The fact of the matter to me is very simple we can go on with IF IF IF IF IF all day long BUT there is no IF seeing a working girl or at a massage parlor or seeing a ho on back page we know she is seeing guys and fucking guys ALL day everyday, every week, every month for years IF a wife or daughter is doing it who knows? I just know I DON'T EAT OUT ANY CHICK UNLESS I HAVE BEEN DATING HER FOR MONTHS! Living with her and knowing that she clean her ass go to get check ups etc. Etc. But to pick up a phone and call up some trashy ass working girl and run to the ATM and run inside a hotel and spread her legs wide open only after 5mins of walking in the door licking out her ass and pussy out when she just finish fucking her pimp without a rubber isn't for me guys.
For so many guys on here that are so smart have good jobs check for spelling and point out errors and typo's go out and do some dumb shit that don't make any sense to take such risks over ones life, keep on doing it IF that's your thing.
P. S. I can't delete the other post I made.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShortFoot;1123918]I hear you my brother! I'm an equal opportunity fucker. If a girl gives me a BBBJ, I'm more inclined to return the favor by dinning at her Y, but it better be fresh/neat looking as well as freshly scented. BTW, the pussy in the pic below, I'd be more inclined to leave the hell alone![/QUOTE]That pussy seems to have been involved in some kind of bizarre industrial accident! I wouldn't fuck it with your dick.
OMG LOL LOL LOL
And do you know what? I bet you right lol I will buy anyone right now a 1st class ticket to Rio you will have a Waffle House FULL of tricks running up to her eating and licking out that pussy right now LOL
BUT, keeping it real I don't see anything wrong with going down on a chick YOU ARE SEEING AND DATING, but running up to a ATM than jumping on GA 400 racing and fighting rush hour traffic paying a working girl that just ran out of rubbers because she have fucked half the city by lunch hour you can have it go take a look in the bath room trash basket see how many used up rubbers you see in them some even have blood on them because some trick with a dick the size of King Kong done rip her pussy up LOL LOL.
60% of the working girls have Pimps or some lame boyfriend with a record that spent time in JAIL either fucking some MOIST ass sissy in his ass or he getting his ass fucked WITHOUT a rubber since they can't get a job they find some METH head and turn her out on the streets or pop some ads on back page to supply her with her drugs or to get food she suck tricks dicks and she more than happy to have tricks return the favor by licking out her P. I. M. P. Cum out her pussy LOL LOL LOL
Man, if some of you guys would only see or watch video's of some of the shit these horny sick ass tricks pay these ho's to do like lick out the shit out of their ass lick and suck their balls LOL and guys jacking their BUTTER MILK all over these ho's pussy hairs and lips and you have guys getting piss because they went and spent $250 dollars on a trashy ass working girl and she won't allow them to kiss the sores on her mouth or lick on the sores on her ass right in the pink spot LOL LOL What my old buddy Royal would say JUST DAMNN! LOL.
Let me tell you guys something I will fuck them in their pussy a few in their ass suck on their tits BUT won't kiss them on the mouth or go near their ass or pussy with my face! I tell you why when I go to Rio those chicks will let you do anything to them I lost count how many will let me fuck them in their ass and than put it in their pussy WITHOUT CHANGING THE RUBBER! And than suck on it, after I cum all over their face I go out in the bar and sit back and watch simps kiss all on the same ho like it's their high school sweetheart LOL, SOME of these AMP chicks do it too I did a few Gold Spa chicks like that so many of these girls get tricks going to see them acting like they want to be their boyfriend kissing on them licking them out bringing them food and shit LOL.
I go in there and see how NASTY I can get those ho's to get slapping my dick up side their head rubbing my dick around their asshoe than slapping it on their pussy lips before I put it in LOL LOL GO AHEAD return the favor LOL look some of the most NASTY ass working girls I ever fuck and get down with was Asian girls all that B. S. They be pulling on guys is a joke acting like they SHY talking all SOFT and holding their head down is a act LOL they can get real nasty in the room this is why I be laughing my ass off when I read how a trick pay a ho to lick her out? Shit how many time you have pull your dick out and found blood on it? And you guys still go up in their and lick out that bloody pussy ho's all on their period and shit WTF?
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1123946]OMG LOL LOL LOL
And do you know what? I bet you right LOL I will buy anyone right now a 1st class ticket to Rio you will have a Waffle House FULL of tricks running up to her eating and licking out that pussy right now LOL
BUT, keeping it real I don't see anything wrong with going down on a chick YOU ARE SEEING AND DATING, but running up to a ATM than jumping on GA 400 racing and fighting rush hour traffic paying a working girl that just ran out of rubbers because she have fucked half the city by lunch hour you can have it go take a look in the bath room trash basket see how many used up rubbers you see in them some even have blood on them because some trick with a dick the size of King Kong done rip her pussy up LOL LOL.
60% of the working girls have Pimps or some lame boyfriend with a record that spent time in JAIL either fucking some MOIST ass sissy in his ass or he getting his ass fucked WITHOUT a rubber since they can't get a job they find some METH head and turn her out on the streets or pop some ads on back page to supply her with her drugs or to get food she suck tricks dicks and she more than happy to have tricks return the favor by licking out her P. I. M. P. Cum out her pussy LOL LOL LOL
Man, if some of you guys would only see or watch video's of some of the shit these horny sick ass tricks pay these ho's to do like lick out the shit out of their ass lick and suck their balls LOL and guys jacking their BUTTER MILK all over these ho's pussy hairs and lips and you have guys getting piss because they went and spent $250 dollars on a trashy ass working girl and she won't allow them to kiss the sores on her mouth or lick on the sores on her ass right in the pink spot LOL LOL What my old buddy Royal would say JUST DAMNN! LOL.
Let me tell you guys something I will fuck them in their pussy a few in their ass suck on their tits BUT won't kiss them on the mouth or go near their ass or pussy with my face! I tell you why when I go to Rio those chicks will let you do anything to them I lost count how many will let me fuck them in their ass and than put it in their pussy WITHOUT CHANGING THE RUBBER! And than suck on it, after I cum all over their face I go out in the bar and sit back and watch simps kiss all on the same ho like it's their high school sweetheart LOL, SOME of these AMP chicks do it too I did a few Gold Spa chicks like that so many of these girls get tricks going to see them acting like they want to be their boyfriend kissing on them licking them out bringing them food and shit LOL.
I go in there and see how NASTY I can get those ho's to get slapping my dick up side their head rubbing my dick around their asshoe than slapping it on their pussy lips before I put it in LOL LOL GO AHEAD return the favor LOL look some of the most NASTY ass working girls I ever fuck and get down with was Asian girls all that B. S. They be pulling on guys is a joke acting like they SHY talking all SOFT and holding their head down is a act LOL they can get real nasty in the room this is why I be laughing my ass off when I read how a trick pay a ho to lick her out? Shit how many time you have pull your dick out and found blood on it? And you guys still go up in their and lick out that bloody pussy ho's all on their period and shit WTF?
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]KC.
Considering that you and I wouldn't do that ever, we have to let these guys make decisions on there own. If they're wanting to do DATY because that's what they are into, who are we to tell them they shouldn't. Everyone here are grown men and if they decide to do that after warning (hopefully 1 warning is enough) , well this is America, and they have the right to do whatever they want. Mongers work hard for there money and if that's how they want to spend, eat on brothers.
Let's just leave it at that.
Peace.
AtlAsianGirth