Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5342313]Your blind hate of Trump makes you incapable of see that the whole Covid 19 pandemic was manufactured, you don't want to hear the facts, you ignore the facts, you ignore everything that happened except for things you can blame Trump for. You are 20 times more likely to get into a car accident than have a serious case of covid (20 million car accidents last year). Only 40 k people died from covid in the USA Just because someone who died may have had covid doesn't mean they died from covid. Straight from the CDC 42 k people died from covid, all others tested positive after death, but died from cancer, stroke, heart attacks etc.

I'm glad you brought up India, the whole reason we don't have the infection rates here that India does was that all last year Trump and his advisors mitigated the covid response to keep it from getting that bad, but now all of a sudden Biden is in office and cases are on the rise again? It's due to poor leadership. Once again your blind hate of Trump keeps you from being able to live in reality and acknowledge the great job he did compared to other world leaders.[/QUOTE]I'm inclined to believe that trump early last spring decided to buy into the ridiculous "herd immunity" approach, and decided to deliberately let the virus infect millions in hopes that it would burn out and disappear.

Remember, this was a philosophy that Boris Johnson, Prime Minister of the UK, entertained initially, that Sweden adopted (in a modified form). So many of trump's public comments (saying it was a minor infection no worse than the flu, predicting it would be gone by the time of summer weather, insisting that one day it would magically evaporate, etc) suggest that is what he was believing. He brought Scott Atlas in because he reinforced that view, instead of having to listen to "real" scientists.

For trump, it was an attractive approach. As someone who didn't actually believe in a working government, it wouldn't require mobilizing scientific and health agencies to respond, it would not necessitate economic shutdowns (indeed, sending people back to work would speed up the process of millions acquiring the virus), and it fit with the Ayn Randian "everyman for himself" kind of philosophy that has underlined Republican thinking for ages. And it explains why he resisted even simple steps like masks. Objecting to anything that would slow down viral spread.

In following this strategy, trump killed hundreds of thousands needlessly. It was intentional, he was warned of the consequences by his experts but he did it anyway. It goes beyond mere "negligence" into predictable and intentional infliction of suffering. There should be some kind of "war crimes"-type accountability for a leader who commits Pandemicide on a scale of this magnitude with between 500,000-900,000 COVID deaths in the U.S. alone.

FWIW, A new study from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation(IHME) has a new number for U.S. deaths due to COVID: 905,289.

[URL]http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5342562]No 5550,000 in America died because of catching COVID-19, I have no blind hatred of Trump, I just look at the facts.

Are you insane? he did a poor job because again 5550,000 in America are dead because of Trump mishandling of the virus no other countries besides Brazil, India and the US has that high of a death rate. and cases are rising globally because of new strains of COVID-19.[/QUOTE]No, according to the CDC approximately 40 k people have died from Covid, another 500 k died from heart attacks, cancer and other diseases. They may have contracted covid but that isn't what actually killed them. Again hospitals get paid an extra 7500 bucks for ever death cert. That has covid on it.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5342636]True.

False.

Change that to republicans and it's true otherwise false.

False.

False.

True.

Change that to republicans and it's true otherwise false.[/QUOTE]Jesus God Almighty you are so full of shit.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5343039]No, according to the CDC approximately 40 k people have died from Covid, another 500 k died from heart attacks, cancer and other diseases. They may have contracted covid but that isn't what actually killed them. Again hospitals get paid an extra 7500 bucks for ever death cert. That has covid on it.[/QUOTE]Please cite your reference. I only ask because several other cites FROM THE CDC contradict your post.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5343074]Jesus God Almighty you are so full of shit.[/QUOTE]Everything that has happened over the last year has shown me otherwise.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5343509]Everything that has happened over the last year has shown me otherwise.[/QUOTE]Well, everything that has happened over the last year has shown me otherwise from what you insist is true. You have zero credibility precisely because you deny what most of us can plainly see as fact happening right in front of us. Your fierce denials of reality are incredulous to the point that one suspects that you don't really believe what you post and instead just enjoy fucking with us.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5343583]Well, everything that has happened over the last year has shown me otherwise from what you insist is true. You have zero credibility precisely because you deny what most of us can plainly see as fact happening right in front of us. Your fierce denials of reality are incredulous to the point that one suspects that you don't really believe what you post and instead just enjoy fucking with us.[/QUOTE]I say again everything that has happened over the last year has shown me otherwise to what you have"seen".

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5343877]I say again everything that has happened over the last year has shown me otherwise to what you have"seen".[/QUOTE]Then your eyesight needs some major correction.

Dumb-Ass Fauci keeps saying that even when fully vaccinated your can still catch, carry, and or transmit the virus. You are just better protected from dying from it or being hospitalized. I can go on and on. Yes, people died, many of whom had a lot more extensive health conditions than I do. I do not get the flu shot either and I do not get the flu. As I stated previously, there are health care workers who refuse to get it until it is fully vetted and permanently approved by the FDA. I have close friends who are Doctors and other medical folks who have no intent of getting the vaccine right now either since we do not know the long term effects.

My brother, in his 60's, type 0 Negative, very mild case, back to work within 2 weeks. Our sister and her husband, both type 0, recently tested positive for the antibodies even though they never had any symptoms.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5342587]I see you won't acknowledged that the disease can and has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans who would've otherwise lived this year and is not "just the flu" before moving the goalposts to a completely different argument?

In any case the main reason young people get the vaccine to provide herd immunity, so that they cannot get it and spread it, causing the death or debilitation of old and medically vulnerable people they live around. Its something you do not to protect yourself necessarily but to protect those around you, like a mask, and not doing so firmly communicates that you don't give a shit whether your grandma or your neighbor that has diabetes die a slow painful death because you couldn't comply with basic healthcare standards.

And while yes its true that Covid-19's direct personal threat to youth is pretty low:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/images/covid-data/319360-A_COVID-19_RiskForSevereDisease_Race_Age_3.30_p1.jpg[/URL]

Covid-19 has nevertheless reportedly killed 2,125 Americans aged 18-29 and 6,165 Americans aged 30-39.


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm


The Johnson and Johnson vaccine might have killed one person, for which America discontinued its use for some time. The Astra-Zeneca vaccine is not allowed in the USA for largely the same reasons. Which serves as a reminder that the authorities take the risk of vaccine side effects very seriously. With millions of doses being delivered, even rare 1 in a million side effects should start to be detectable. Its clear that even if you are young, and even if you are unlikely to catch Covid-19 due to the pandemic finally beginning to wind down, it is still probably safer to get the vaccine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5344226]Dumb-Ass Fauci keeps saying that even when fully vaccinated your can still catch, carry, and or transmit the virus. You are just better protected from dying from it or being hospitalized. I can go on and on. Yes, people died, many of whom had a lot more extensive health conditions than I do. I do not get the flu shot either and I do not get the flu. As I stated previously, there are health care workers who refuse to get it until it is fully vetted and permanently approved by the FDA. I have close friends who are Doctors and other medical folks who have no intent of getting the vaccine right now either since we do not know the long term effects.

My brother, in his 60's, type 0 Negative, very mild case, back to work within 2 weeks. Our sister and her husband, both type 0, recently tested positive for the antibodies even though they never had any symptoms.[/QUOTE]Thanks Doc, just curious, did you get your Medical degree from trump University?

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5344108]Then your eyesight needs some major correction.[/QUOTE]My eyesight is just fine, 20/20 and I say again everything that has happened over the last year has shown me otherwise to what you have"seen".

You are. I am just not as gullible as you and many others. Remember the whole Hydroxychloroquine thing being bad and now it is good? Fauci is just baking this 15 minutes of fame for as long as he can.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5344259]Thanks Doc, just curious, did you get your Medical degree from trump University?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5344226]Dumb-Ass Fauci keeps saying that even when fully vaccinated your can still catch, carry, and or transmit the virus. You are just better protected from dying from it or being hospitalized. I can go on and on. Yes, people died, many of whom had a lot more extensive health conditions than I do. I do not get the flu shot either and I do not get the flu. As I stated previously, there are health care workers who refuse to get it until it is fully vetted and permanently approved by the FDA. I have close friends who are Doctors and other medical folks who have no intent of getting the vaccine right now either since we do not know the long term effects.

My brother, in his 60's, type 0 Negative, very mild case, back to work within 2 weeks. Our sister and her husband, both type 0, recently tested positive for the antibodies even though they never had any symptoms.[/QUOTE]Between a 1/2th and 2/3 rds of a million Americans died as a consequence of Covid-19. This was not some trivial uptick, this wasn't "they're on their way out", but a real and substantive death toll. I might add that it is a bizarre to be so deathly concerned about the "unknown possible long term side effects of Covid vaccines" when we know little about the long term side effects of Covid-19 but what little we do is alarming. Only about 1. 8% of confirmed Covid cases results in deaths in the USA, but it is entirely possible that a far larger share could be debilitated for life, have a decade or two lopped off their life expectancy, etc etc. And note that this isn't limited to those hospitalized:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/22/989874986/people-with-severe-covid-19-have-higher-risk-of-long-term-effects-study-finds

"Ziyad Al-Aly and his colleagues used the databases of the USA Department of Veterans Affairs to examine health outcomes in more than 73,000 people who'd had COVID-19 and were not hospitalized, comparing them with nearly 5 million users of the VA health system who did not have COVID-19 and were not hospitalized.

Six months later, those who'd had COVID-19 were found to be at higher risk of new onset heart disease, diabetes, mental health disorders including anxiety and depression, substance use disorders, kidney disease and other problems. ".

People who get Covid-19, even those who get "mild" cases or quite possibly didn't even realize they had it at the time, nevertheless often seem to be permanently debilitated and vulnerable to other ailments and problems both physical and mental. And again that's for non-hospitalized; I have no doubt that for those hospitalized its considerably worse.

As for vaccine efficacy:

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_3.html

https://i.imgur.com/Dh5Qm9V_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

https://i.imgur.com/rNe5HM1_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

The rise of vaccinations has seen a decline in hospitalizations for all age groups including younger ones, showing that even younger brackets derive some benefit besides having the common decency to keep their more elderly and feeble friends and family alive. However the greatest benefit has accrued to the demographics that got the most vaccinations. While younger generations have seen their hospitalization rate cut in half, the elderly have seen it cut to around a seventh of what it was before.

If this was a simple decline from a peaking Covid wave you'd expect the decline to be even across all demographics, but its not. The elderly are getting vaccinated and thus being directly protected, while other age brackets are benefiting from the reduced spread brought about by more and more people getting vaccinated. Some of it is no doubt just a natural decline from the winter peak, but again that doesn't explain the differing decline by age.

Vaccines work. They decrease your odds of getting the disease, of dying of the disease if you get it, and of spreading the disease in either case. Every legitimate medical organization will tell you that vaccines work. It is acknowledged that vaccines do not provide 100% immunity and they do not have 100% chance of no side effects. That does not change the position of medical authorities.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5344387]My eyesight is just fine, 20/20 and I say again everything that has happened over the last year has shown me otherwise to what you have"seen".[/QUOTE]Ok. Whatever.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5342113]Oh I know it's not over, between you q-anon guys.[/QUOTE]You are the q-anon believing conspiracies. Here's borderline commie Matt Taibbi with the 20 Trump / Russia conspiracies you and your team soros, tmeister and bugs believed and prob still do. And now you believe the conspiracy that Joe won in a squeaky clean election. Soon you'll learn that's the conspiracy.

[URL]https://taibbi.substack.com/p/aaugh-a-brief-list-of-official-russia[/URL]

[QUOTE=Admin2;5342113]petty man boy still trying to escape his fathers shadow. [/QUOTE]Confession through projection.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5342113] You know he bankrupted a casino right? He couldn't even turn a profit in a casino which is like a license to sell crack and he bankrupted a few. [/QUOTE]All Atlantic city imploded as casinos opened up on Indian land in Pennsylvania, Connecticut and New York. AC lost their monopoly they held for 30 yrs.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5342113]He was openly scorned and ridiculed by the leadership of the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]Name one who openly scorned and ridiculed? Even if they did, fuck them. Find someone who scorns you like Macron did Trump.

Let me make sure I have this correctly:

Anyone who died for any reason after getting Covid-19 dies for a reason other than Covid-19 and any person who dies for any reason after getting the Covid-19 vaccine dies because of the Covid-19 vaccine.

The logic of some people escapes me.

BUT the rates for the providers here are damn expensive. Honestly didn't expect it coming from NY.

Not sure if its a Covid, stimulus or just a recent price hike thing. Has it always been like this? Getting quotes of like $250 hr, $120 for a QV and it seems like most people are charging this. Could be I'm new to the area and don't know the spots but damn this sucks.

[QUOTE=BlackBeards;5345650]BUT the rates for the providers here are damn expensive. Honestly didn't expect it coming from NY.

Not sure if its a Covid, stimulus or just a recent price hike thing. Has it always been like this? Getting quotes of like $250 hr, $120 for a QV and it seems like most people are charging this. Could be I'm new to the area and don't know the spots but damn this sucks.[/QUOTE]Atlanta is a smaller market so any provider who's even passable has severe GPS. Now you know.

[QUOTE=BlackBeards;5345650]BUT the rates for the providers here are damn expensive. Honestly didn't expect it coming from NY.

Not sure if its a Covid, stimulus or just a recent price hike thing. Has it always been like this? Getting quotes of like $250 hr, $120 for a QV and it seems like most people are charging this. Could be I'm new to the area and don't know the spots but damn this sucks.[/QUOTE]All three. Prices have gone up and not fallen back down.

A KAMP visit in Atlanta is the same price as a round trip to Miami for FS there.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5345208]Let me make sure I have this correctly:

Anyone who died for any reason after getting Covid-19 dies for a reason other than Covid-19 and any person who dies for any reason after getting the Covid-19 vaccine dies because of the Covid-19 vaccine.

The logic of some people escapes me.[/QUOTE]Yes, if you died from cancer but caught covid, then we forget about the cancer (they only died of covid).

Now if you got a vaccine and died 2 hrs later. No No NO you didn't die from the vaccine, it MUST have been something else.

It's called Leftwing Hierocracy.

[QUOTE=BlackBeards;5345650]BUT the rates for the providers here are damn expensive. Honestly didn't expect it coming from NY.

Not sure if its a Covid, stimulus or just a recent price hike thing. Has it always been like this? Getting quotes of like $250 hr, $120 for a QV and it seems like most people are charging this. Could be I'm new to the area and don't know the spots but damn this sucks.[/QUOTE]I am happy living here, there is something for everyone and easy travel to everywhere, but whether it escorts, massage, or streetwalkers we just aren't a good market compared to Florida cities and well most big cities for that matter.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5345879]Yes, if you died from cancer but caught covid, then we forget about the cancer (they only died of covid).

[/QUOTE]Dude it takes cancer MONTHS sometimes years to kill someone, that "argument" you gave makes little sense, especially given that the death rate since the pandemic started has been around 500,000-900,000 and the cancer death rate is only 100,000 per year in the U.S.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5345879]Now if you got a vaccine and died 2 hrs later. No No NO you didn't die from the vaccine, it MUST have been something else.

[/QUOTE]True, but for the MAJORITY of the 200 million people who have taken the vaccine in the U.S have not died.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5346281]Dude it takes cancer MONTHS sometimes years to kill someone, that "argument" you gave makes little sense, especially given that the death rate since the pandemic started has been around 500,000-900,000 and the cancer death rate is only 100,000 per year in the U.S.

True, but for the MAJORITY of the 200 million people who have taken the vaccine in the U.S have not died.[/QUOTE]Not just cancer, Heart attacks, strokes, even people who died in car accidents had covid put on their death certs to make hospitals money.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5345208]

Anyone who died for any reason after getting Covid-19 dies for a reason other than Covid-19 and any person who dies for any reason after getting the Covid-19 vaccine dies because of the Covid-19 vaccine.

The logic of some people escapes me.[/QUOTE]Hospitals get bonus for ccp virus death and more bonus for ccp virus on ventilator death. Cycle a pcr test 30+ times and dead cells from a cold or flu you had last year will show up as a corona / ccp virus. Hospital marks that down as cause of death then collects $40k from taxpayer. It's not hard. Don't overthink it and the logic won't escape you.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5346383]Hospitals get bonus for ccp virus death and more bonus for ccp virus on ventilator death. Cycle a pcr test 30+ times and dead cells from a cold or flu you had last year will show up as a corona / ccp virus. Hospital marks that down as cause of death then collects $40k from taxpayer. It's not hard. Don't overthink it and the logic won't escape you.[/QUOTE]Yeah no, this is incorrect.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5344634]You are. I am just not as gullible as you and many others. Remember the whole Hydroxychloroquine thing being bad and now it is good? Fauci is just baking this 15 minutes of fame for as long as he can.[/QUOTE]

FYI, Hydroxychloroquine is only FDA approved to treat Lupus and Malaria NOT COVID. The evidence suggests that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19, and the potential benefits of the drug do not outweigh the known and potential risks. As a result, trump's own FDA REVOKED their earlier issue of an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for hydroxychloroquine.

[I]The Food and Drug Administration on Monday withdrew emergency use authorizations for two coronavirus treatments that President Donald Trump promoted despite concerns about their safety and effectiveness.

The agency revoked the authorizations for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine after a request from Gary Disbrow, acting director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.

After reviewing new information from large clinical trials the agency now believes that the suggested dosing regimens "are unlikely to produce an antiviral effect," FDA chief scientist Denise Hinton said in a letter announcing the decision. [/I]

Study after study has shown, Hydroxychloroquine has ZERO effect in treating people with COVID-19.

India is a test case to see the true efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID patients. India produces 70% of the global supply of Hydroxychloroquine. In February 2020 India banned all exports of Hydroxychloroquine. The Indian Government's intent was to ensure they had an adequate supply of hydroxychloroquine to meet their public health needs in their fight against COVID.

Fast forward to yesterday, tens of millions of Indians have contracted COVID. New infections are running at 400,000 per day. India's public health sector has collaspsed because 90 percent of the hospitilizations are COVID patients. The country has run short of oxygen supplies. COVID and other sick are being turned away from hospitals in droves. There are mass cremations of the dead in the streets in many of the major cities in India.

If Hydroxychloroquine is so effective at fighting COVID, why are are Governors in states such as Utah, Oklahoma, Florida etc trying to return their orders of Hydroxychloroquine?

[B]Oklahoma Tries to Return Hydroxychloroquine[/B]

[I]The Oklahoma Attorney Generals Office has been tasked with attempting to return a $2 million stockpile of a malaria drug once touted by former President Donald Trump as a way to treat the coronavirus.

In April, Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who ordered the hydroxychloroquine purchase, defended it by saying that while it may not be a useful treatment for the coronavirus, the drug had multiple other uses and that money will not have gone to waste in any respect.'[/I]

[B]Like many states, Florida is trying to get rid of its hydroxychloroquine. [/B]

[I]
* Florida secured about a million doses last year through donation.
* Few were used as research suggested the pills did little to treat COVID
* In June, Florida had about 980,000 pills left
* Its now working with the Lupus Foundation of America to donate the remaining supply.[/I]

So, forget hydroxychloroquine. It's a COVID hoax. REAL men drink Clorox, or Lysol to prevent COVID. And stick black lights up their back doors.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5346658]Yeah no, this is incorrect.

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/[/URL][/QUOTE]Doctors and hospital workers called into many talk shows stating how they got extra money for COVID. So who should I believe? The frontline workers or the propogandist folks.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5346779]Doctors and hospital workers called into many talk shows stating how they got extra money for COVID. So who should I believe? The frontline workers or the propogandist folks.[/QUOTE]Obviously you should believe The Rabbit, Sarge. C'Mon. Man! Seriously, you could tell The Rabbit that the sun is out on a sunny day and he would tell you that you are wrong.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5346701]FYI, Hydroxychloroquine is only FDA approved to treat Lupus and Malaria NOT COVID. The evidence suggests that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19, and the potential benefits of the drug do not outweigh the known and potential risks. As a result, trump's own FDA REVOKED their earlier issue of an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for hydroxychloroquine.

[I]The Food and Drug Administration on Monday withdrew emergency use authorizations for two coronavirus treatments that President Donald Trump promoted despite concerns about their safety and effectiveness.

The agency revoked the authorizations for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine after a request from Gary Disbrow, acting director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.

After reviewing new information from large clinical trials the agency now believes that the suggested dosing regimens "are unlikely to produce an antiviral effect," FDA chief scientist Denise Hinton said in a letter announcing the decision. [/I]

Study after study has shown, Hydroxychloroquine has ZERO effect in treating people with COVID-19.

India is a test case to see the true efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID patients. India produces 70% of the global supply of Hydroxychloroquine. In February 2020 India banned all exports of Hydroxychloroquine. The Indian Government's intent was to ensure they had an adequate supply of hydroxychloroquine to meet their public health needs in their fight against COVID.

Fast forward to yesterday, tens of millions of Indians have contracted COVID. New infections are running at 400,000 per day. India's public health sector has collaspsed because 90 percent of the hospitilizations are COVID patients. The country has run short of oxygen supplies. COVID and other sick are being turned away from hospitals in droves. There are mass cremations of the dead in the streets in many of the major cities in India..[/QUOTE]I got corvid last year Mar and there were not too many drugs to treat corvid then. I got two medicines, one is Hydroxychloroquine and the other one I cannot remember. I stayed in the hospital for 4 weeks, over 2 weeks of which in intensive care. During the first 2 weeks, the doctor told my family I may not make it. I did survive and is very healthy today. I am not contradicting you. I am not a medical expert. But this was my experience. There must be more (or better) medicine now.

There were no cyber-terrorists taking down pipelines under Trumps watch, first gas prices soar after Biden is elected and now we have a gas shortage. The democrats anti-police stance nation wide has left the departments in this country that protect us short handed with criminals of all sorts running loose, whether some riot and loot, while others are attacking the internet with nobody to stop them, We all knew America was going to hell in a handbasket after Biden got elected, but man I didn't realize it would be this fast.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5346325]Not just cancer, Heart attacks, strokes, even people who died in car accidents had covid put on their death certs to make hospitals money.[/QUOTE]The NHCS, a subdepartment of the CDC, publishes figures for all deaths by all causes for each year. They reported 345,323 deaths due to Covid-19 for 2020 alone, and overall report 503,976 more deaths than the prior year, when the year to year change has never so much as reached 6 digits before:

[URL]https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/m_jvp210048t1_1617198261.3911.png?Expires=1623159637&Signature=LLvxxn2f2GnoR8ntDqx-Q1UNPn9BXk6n9HKwZVdYL00jklZR1YmAuQeLYuf9thd5i7dB8oLHaSmftcZF6kq9ZDedEB28I0KcTD~hZ2tKQTPbuuVlYZkDI2QTB2dcGemG3Lg0hnPAf2HdIuTN9k2BFH6i~MSYaPp6M5nOqSRtyMj39NV4-YHkVs4Lk2Nn5fhCL5pxpPo-dCmgebQf3sz8VyUOVDAW~ulWc8osmwj~~PMANEq2rC6KE6XCh6C~m1ndk7qjr4ocDc9ES~-4sb4fZiSzh~GgE7eM5~o2jG1W96MLNOTmOBDjfEpCVUeVt2OYqVYc4I7dulamTQoNChMNUw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA[/URL]

This increase in deaths has no plausible alternative explanation than Covid-19 nor is it hospital faking death certs to make money. Indeed given the difference its quite likely there are 10's of thousands of cases attributed to other causes which were put over the brink by Covid-19.

And as noted before, official government sources from around the world all report it.

[URL]https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2F4dee8c60-9702-11eb-9838-33ecf8170d91-fullwidth.png?dpr=1&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=1260[/URL]

Do you believe that all official government sources are all lying to exaggerate the number of people in their country that died in their country in 2020 or early 2021, both for Covid-19 specifically AND total deaths? Indeed if anything those numbers indicate that government are if lying doing so exclusively to downplay the number of Covid-19 deaths. If that is the case than there isn't much point in further discussion.

[QUOTE=Sgt Lurker;5346779]Doctors and hospital workers called into many talk shows stating how they got extra money for COVID. So who should I believe? The frontline workers or the propogandist folks.[/QUOTE]
Which talk shows and how many people are claiming this is happening?

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5346988]The NHCS, a subdepartment of the CDC, publishes figures for all deaths by all causes for each year. They reported 345,323 deaths due to Covid-19 for 2020 alone, and overall report 503,976 more deaths than the prior year, when the year to year change has never so much as reached 6 digits before:

[URL]https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/m_jvp210048t1_1617198261.3911.png?Expires=1623159637&Signature=LLvxxn2f2GnoR8ntDqx-Q1UNPn9BXk6n9HKwZVdYL00jklZR1YmAuQeLYuf9thd5i7dB8oLHaSmftcZF6kq9ZDedEB28I0KcTD~hZ2tKQTPbuuVlYZkDI2QTB2dcGemG3Lg0hnPAf2HdIuTN9k2BFH6i~MSYaPp6M5nOqSRtyMj39NV4-YHkVs4Lk2Nn5fhCL5pxpPo-dCmgebQf3sz8VyUOVDAW~ulWc8osmwj~~PMANEq2rC6KE6XCh6C~m1ndk7qjr4ocDc9ES~-4sb4fZiSzh~GgE7eM5~o2jG1W96MLNOTmOBDjfEpCVUeVt2OYqVYc4I7dulamTQoNChMNUw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA[/URL]

This increase in deaths has no plausible alternative explanation than Covid-19 nor is it hospital faking death certs to make money. Indeed given the difference its quite likely there are 10's of thousands of cases attributed to other causes which were put over the brink by Covid-19.

And as noted before, official government sources from around the world all report it.

[URL]https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2F4dee8c60-9702-11eb-9838-33ecf8170d91-fullwidth.png?dpr=1&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=1260[/URL]..[/QUOTE]This is common sense and I don't know what rabbit hole you were hiding in all last year. Medical workers countrywide and even higher levels in NY were quitting, Nurses were afraid of covid because they didn't understand it was just a really bad cold (more or less). With the shortage of medical staff people were dying by the tens of thousands because they could not receive medical attention, things people normally would not die of began killing people.

Also people weren't getting regular testing done on their health again out of fear of the China virus. So people were going undiagnosed, then dying then the hospital put a covid toe tag on them to cash in. The facts suck, but these are the facts. Hundreds of thousands needlessly died because of lack of medical treatment and undiagnosed issues which is why the number of deaths were higher last year.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5346985][B]Biden fails again, shortage at the gas pump[/B]
There were no cyber-terrorists taking down pipelines under Trumps watch, first gas prices soar after Biden is elected and now we have a gas shortage. The democrats anti-police stance nation wide has left the departments in this country that protect us short handed with criminals of all sorts running loose, whether some riot and loot, while others are attacking the internet with nobody to stop them, We all knew America was going to hell in a handbasket after Biden got elected, but man I didn't realize it would be this fast.[/QUOTE]

Do you realize that if YOU really want to go down this path, then you're making Donald Trump SOLELY responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic coming to the USA, all of the nearly 600,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations that resulted from it, and also solely responsible for the economy being laid waste because of it? Also, you've just made Trump solely responsible for all rioting during his term.

FYI, there were 1000's of major cyberattacks / ransomware attacks on hospitals, local governments, and other industries under Trump. However, Trump did NOTHING.

[URL]http://www.theverge.com/2020/12/14/22174429/solarwinds-hack-russia-cisa-christopher-krebs-cybersecurity-infrastructure[/URL]

It was Trump's inaction that made America a sitting duck for cyberattacks.

[I]... For the past four years, Trump has treated the Federal cybersecurity effort as one more partisan battleground, with attacks and vulnerabilities embraced or rejected largely on the basis of their value as a political cudgel. Faced with a government spanning compromise that will require deep analysis and careful cooperation, theres little trust left to draw on, which could make a bad problem even worse.

... under Krebs, the agency was gaining trust. The director had bipartisan support and was seen by the cybersecurity community as an impartial arbiter, someone who would be honest about the facts on the ground even if it was politically inconvenient. Then, a few weeks ago, he was fired for displaying exactly these qualities. As Trump raised groundless claims of election fraud to distract from his loss at the polls, Krebs issued a clear statement on the issue, saying he had seen no evidence of vote tallies being changed in the election. In a matter of days, he was out of a job. ... [/I]

[URL]http://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/12/17/trump-takes-bipartisan-criticism-for-silence-on-massive-cyber-attack/?sh=45fbfb494608[/URL]

[B]Trump Takes Bipartisan Criticism For Silence On Massive Cyber Attack [/B]

[I]Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.) noting the president fired Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) head Chris Krebs for debunking his election fraud conspiracy theories just one month before the attack occurred. [/I]

Even Tom Bossert, Trump's former homeland security advisor, urged the president to "get past his grievances about the election and govern for the remainder of his term," in a New York Times op-ed, which stated he is [I]on the verge of leaving behind a federal government, and perhaps a large number of major industries, compromised by the Russian government. ... " [/I].

And then Trump wouldn't allow Biden's transition team to have access to what was or wasn't being done about cybersecurity, thus hobbling the Biden Administration from getting up to speed quickly enough.

So, I ask you again, do you really want to blame a President for everything that happens during his term, whether or not there was anything he could have done about it?

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5346920]Obviously you should believe The Rabbit, Sarge. C'Mon. Man! Seriously, you could tell The Rabbit that the sun is out on a sunny day and he would tell you that you are wrong.[/QUOTE]

Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But you are not entitled to your own made up facts.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5347103]Do you realize that if YOU really want to go down this path, then you're making Donald Trump SOLELY responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic coming to the USA, all of the nearly 600,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations that resulted from it, and also solely responsible for the economy being laid waste because of it? Also, you've just made Trump solely responsible for all rioting during his term.

FYI, there were 1000's of major cyberattacks / ransomware attacks on hospitals, local governments, and other industries under Trump. *However, Trump did NOTHING.

[URL]http://www.theverge.com/2020/12/14/22174429/solarwinds-hack-russia-cisa-christopher-krebs-cybersecurity-infrastructure[/URL]

It was Trump's chaos that made America a sitting duck for cyberattacks.

[I]... For the past four years, Trump has treated the Federal cybersecurity effort as one more partisan battleground, with attacks and vulnerabilities embraced or rejected largely on the basis of their value as a political cudgel. Faced with a government spanning compromise that will require deep analysis and careful cooperation, theres little trust left to draw on, which could make a bad problem even worse..[/QUOTE]Wow, this is one big paragraph of garbage and a deep dive into your imagination. I'll leave it at this, leftwing radicals will never see the truth unless it supports their narrative. That is the only fact needed to be stated here. Trump could put on supermans cape and fly into the sky and save earth from an asteroid and you and your fellow leftwing radicals would not accept it. You would make up lies as you always do and / or twist the facts.

Fact 1--gas is 60% higher NOW than it was under Trump.

Fact 2--No issues with cyber attacks on the oil industry under 4 years of Trump.

You want to go off on a left wing radical trip running around screaming and crying for your daddy because you want to turn this into something it's not.

Simple facts. Please read above fact 1 and fact 2, both are truthful no matter what other way you try to lie or manipulate them.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5346985]There were no cyber-terrorists taking down pipelines under Trump watch.[/QUOTE]It seems you forgotten about the massive cyber attack at the nuclear weapons agency that happened under Trump "watch".

[URL]https://time.com/5922897/us-nuclear-weapons-energy-hacked/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5347048]Medical workers countrywide and even higher levels in NY were quitting, [/QUOTE]That is a lie because if that were true the death rate would be even HIGHER than it is now.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5347048]Nurses were afraid of covid because they didn't understand it was just a really bad cold (more or less). [/QUOTE]Nurses know damn well that COVID-19 is not a "bad cold" because they often have years of medical training because even really bad colds do not often kill the elderly, obese, or people with pre existing conditions.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5347048] Also people weren't getting regular testing done on their health again out of fear of the virus.[/QUOTE]Also not true, regular testing is still being done, it's how we know that flu deaths are way down and keeping track of deaths that are separate from COVID-19.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5347048] Hundreds of thousands needlessly died because of lack of medical treatment and undiagnosed issues which is why the number of deaths were higher last year.[/QUOTE]False 500,000-900,000 died because the former guy did not take the virus seriously and refuse to listen to the experts and you seem to ignoring that other countries have very high death rates because of COVID-19 and their hospitals often do not get pay for reporting COVID-19 deaths.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5347218]Wow, this is one big paragraph of garbage and a deep dive into your imagination. I'll leave it at this, leftwing radicals will never see the truth unless it supports their narrative. That is the only fact needed to be stated here. Trump could put on supermans cape and fly into the sky and save earth from an asteroid and you and your fellow leftwing radicals would not accept it. You would make up lies as you always do and / or twist the facts.

Fact 1--gas is 60% higher NOW than it was under Trump.

Fact 2--No issues with cyber attacks on the oil industry under 4 years of Trump.

You want to go off on a left wing radical trip running around screaming and crying for your daddy because you want to turn this into something it's not.

Simple facts. Please read above fact 1 and fact 2, both are truthful no matter what other way you try to lie or manipulate them.[/QUOTE]You seem to have a blithely ignorant answer for everything. When you have no factual reply: throw up a mound of alternate reality bullshit and hope against hope that something sticks.

Fact 1. Gas prices are up largely because of increased demand. The Colonial pipeline closure has indeed lessened supply however pipelines are expected to be up and functional by Friday. Unlike trump, American's see a COMPETENT leader in Biden who has for the most part gotten the COVID Pandemic under control. We now have more vaccinated American's traveling, shopping, attending ball games, going to concerts etc and generally more optimistic about the future.

Fact 2. Wrong! You have conveniently forgotten to mention the massive Russian hack Solarwinds that was revealed late last year where Russian spies used a popular piece of software to unleash a virus that spread to 18,000 government and private computer networks. [B]Oil, gas and technology firms were hit by this hack.[/B] Trump refused to confront his puppeteer master, Putin. The attack was unprecedented in audacity and scope. Russian spies went rummaging through the digital files of the USA Departments of Justice, State, Treasury, Energy, and Commerce and for nine months had unfettered access to top-level communications, court documents, even nuclear secrets. Trump did nothing except ***** about an election he claims was stolen from him.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5347676]You seem to have a blithely ignorant answer for everything. When you have no factual reply: throw up a mound of alternate reality bullshit and hope against hope that something sticks.

Fact 1. Gas prices are up largely because of increased demand. The Colonial pipeline closure has indeed lessened supply however pipelines are expected to be up and functional by Friday. Unlike trump, American's see a COMPETENT leader in Biden who has for the most part gotten the COVID Pandemic under control. We now have more vaccinated American's traveling, shopping, attending ball games, going to concerts etc and generally more optimistic about the future.

Fact 2. Wrong! You have conveniently forgotten to mention the massive Russian hack Solarwinds that was revealed late last year where Russian spies used a popular piece of software to unleash a virus that spread to 18,000 government and private computer networks. [B]Oil, gas and technology firms were hit by this hack.[/B] Trump refused to confront his puppeteer master, Putin. The attack was unprecedented in audacity and scope. Russian spies went rummaging through the digital files of the USA Departments of Justice, State, Treasury, Energy, and Commerce and for nine months had unfettered access to top-level communications, court documents, even nuclear secrets. Trump did nothing except ***** about an election he claims was stolen from him.[/QUOTE]No I tell it like it is and in this thread you get attacked for the truth. Most of the people who post here are left wing radical nut jobs. You guys will argue against anything that doesn't fit your agenda, I've actually gotten somewhat used to read your lies and false information. You post articles from left wing sources and call it fact, I'm sorry, CNN, MSNBC, The new york times and most of everything you and your left wing nuts post are from sources that are backed by socialist and communist "organizations". The truth is you are a nut job, and again I'm just being honest, if you honestly believe any of the stuff you post you aren't as smart as you think you are.

Only those on the radical left think Biden is Competent, most democrats I talk to all agree they made a big mistake voting for Biden. I'm not sure why I try to keep arguing the facts with the left wing nuts like yourself, either you aren't smart enough to understand the truth.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5347676]You seem to have a blithely ignorant answer for everything. When you have no factual reply: throw up a mound of alternate reality bullshit and hope against hope that something sticks.
The Colonial pipeline closure has indeed lessened supply however pipelines are expected to be up and functional by Friday.

[/QUOTE]And what do you know it's now back online, so much for doom and gloom.

[URL]https://www-foxbusiness-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.foxbusiness.com/energy/colonial-pipeline-back-online-energy-secretary-says.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D[/URL]

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5347994]No I tell it like it is and in this thread you get attacked for the truth. Most of the people who post here are left wing radical nut jobs. You guys will argue against anything that doesn't fit your agenda, I've actually gotten somewhat used to read your lies and false information. You post articles from left wing sources and call it fact, I'm sorry, CNN, MSNBC, The new york times and most of everything you and your left wing nuts post are from sources that are backed by socialist and communist "organizations". The truth is you are a nut job, and again I'm just being honest, if you honestly believe any of the stuff you post you aren't as smart as you think you are.

Only those on the radical left think Biden is Competent, most democrats I talk to all agree they made a big mistake voting for Biden. I'm not sure why I try to keep arguing the facts with the left wing nuts like yourself, either you aren't smart enough to understand the truth.[/QUOTE]
Ok so you have no real response to his reply, got it. Also your claiming a guy who got the COVID-relief bill pass, got 200 million shots with the first 100 days of the presidency is incompetent... yeah ok whatever you say. LOL

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5347994]No I tell it like it is and in this thread you get attacked for the truth. Most of the people who post here are left wing radical nut jobs. You guys will argue against anything that doesn't fit your agenda, I've actually gotten somewhat used to read your lies and false information. You post articles from left wing sources and call it fact, I'm sorry, CNN, MSNBC, The new york times and most of everything you and your left wing nuts post are from sources that are backed by socialist and communist "organizations". The truth is you are a nut job, and again I'm just being honest, if you honestly believe any of the stuff you post you aren't as smart as you think you are.

Only those on the radical left think Biden is Competent, most democrats I talk to all agree they made a big mistake voting for Biden. I'm not sure why I try to keep arguing the facts with the left wing nuts like yourself, either you aren't smart enough to understand the truth.[/QUOTE]Well said!