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I am not understanding your point. Keeping your identity is a given. The original comment had to do with the issue of communicating cip before the deed. I really don't see much upside and a whole lot of down side from a stealth sperm injection. By the second date, most SBs are going to let you do BBFS or bbfscip if all goes well on 1st date anyway.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5244044]Well, look, if you aren't exercising operational security and keeping your real identity from the SB, that's your own fault. Don't get me wrong, I don't think you should be irresponsible about that. In my own case, I have a SO and don't mind safes, so I am not looking for BB. However, at the M&G I always talk to the POT about broken condoms and if she'd be willing to use Plan B if that happened. It has never happened to me and I am a dinosaur.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JDeller;5244496]I am not understanding your point. Keeping your identity is a given. The original comment had to do with the issue of communicating cip before the deed. I really don't see much upside and a whole lot of down side from a stealth sperm injection. By the second date, most SBs are going to let you do BBFS or bbfscip if all goes well on 1st date anyway.[/QUOTE]You just said he would be paying child support. He wouldn't be if he had not given up his real identity to the SB.

With respect to the rest of your post, I'll just say that there are a wide variety of ways to interact w / SBs, and a wide array of SBs to interact with. You're fishing in a different pond with a different rig than me.

I don't post often unless I have something to contribute. Years ago I saw a single mom for massage at her apt. Usually ended in BBBJCIM. Saw her twice a month for over a year. She was as normal as normal can be. Good mom, no drugs, drank socially. She needed some new appliances. I told her I'd pay for them as an advance on her massages. Worked out for a month then suddenly her "schedule" got busy and she couldn't make time for our sessions. Clawing and scratching we went another month and I finally threw in the towel. It wasn't worth the hassle. The ghosting, the last minute cancellations, the excuses. There's my story. I will never pay upfront again. I don't care if she's the fuck of a lifetime. Too many women out there to enjoy.

[QUOTE=VinoVeritas034;5244133]So my SB of going on 4 months wants to change up our arrangement. Instead of the generous monthly allowance I am currently giving her, she is willing to forgo her allowance for the next 2-3 months and instead have me pay for plastic surgery (breast augmentation). She's already a DD cup but she wants to upgrade to DDD. Since this has some inherit benefit to me, and the net cost to me is the same, I'm inclined to say yes. Anyone ever dealt with this situation? Probably worth mentioning that I've done quite a bit of my own investigating on this woman's background and, as far as I can tell, she seems like a fundamentally decent person. I also got around to raiding her medicine cabinet and other places where she may store pharmaceuticals, and oddly enough couldn't find anything. Not sure any of these details matter, but thoughts on this scenario are appreciated.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5245005]You just said he would be paying child support. He wouldn't be if he had not given up his real identity to the SB.

With respect to the rest of your post, I'll just say that there are a wide variety of ways to interact w / SBs, and a wide array of SBs to interact with. You're fishing in a different pond with a different rig than me.[/QUOTE]Pregnancy brings a whole new level of bullshit, and while we can go on and on about airtight "opsec," you better have been anonymous with the girl. If you checked into a hotel, whether she knows your name or not, I promise she can get a lawyer and track you down. Same with a burner phone, unless you use something like Mysudo that doesn't attribute a number or PII.

That said, I wouldn't want to know or think there's a kid out there that's mine and isn't cared for appropriately. But then again, I made sure a few years back that I can't make babies anymore.

[QUOTE=CreamFire;5241156]Just wondering but has anyone experienced a SB offering friends for an arrangement? I'm not complaining or anything but I'm just wondering if an agency is behind the works or they really are friends at all. I've met 2 of the friends already. All pretty and bb too![/QUOTE]Yes, I have. Like IRL its kinda weird. I was in a LTR with a SB and out of nowhere she said 'so, I've got this friend. ' I actually turned it down because her friend was a 8/10 body but a 3/10 face. A friend of mine on SA had the same thing happen. The real problem if you go forward with it is compensation.

[QUOTE=FilmMakr97;5245744]I don't post often unless I have something to contribute. Years ago I saw a single mom for massage at her apt. Usually ended in BBBJCIM. Saw her twice a month for over a year. She was as normal as normal can be. Good mom, no drugs, drank socially. She needed some new appliances. I told her I'd pay for them as an advance on her massages. Worked out for a month then suddenly her "schedule" got busy and she couldn't make time for our sessions. Clawing and scratching we went another month and I finally threw in the towel. It wasn't worth the hassle. The ghosting, the last minute cancellations, the excuses. There's my story. I will never pay upfront again. I don't care if she's the fuck of a lifetime. Too many women out there to enjoy.[/QUOTE]THIS. Never EVER pay up front. EVER.

I will say, 2021 was a turn of the page as it seems more SB have been more willing to meet up than I've had since mid to late last year. Maybe it was different from what others have seen, and I'm sure I'd get flamed for spending $400 on a SB when others are seeing some for $ or $$ but I get exactly what I want each time with the ones that agree to terms with me. Either way, my latest SB left back to AR. Petite little spinner that was amazing in the sack. Good luck out there everyone.

[QUOTE=Stevew;5246696]THIS. Never EVER pay up front. EVER.[/QUOTE]Thank you gentlemen. After further consideration I will not be doing this advance.

This girl favorited me today. She is the epitome of the grandiose thinking that has infected some of these girls.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c33777d0-bab6-4efc-a6df-93cc88649a96[/URL]

Guys... get what you want and don't settle for less, unless you are paying way less. lol.

$ - you might get lucky or something close to it, or maybe just a bj or hj or daty
$$ - you are definitively getting laid, and it may be awesome, but she wont be a 9 or 10 in looks
$$$ - at this point if you aren't getting it all, then you aren't doing the work.
$$$$ - your time is just too valuable to bother. Money is relative after all
$$$$$ - you want the best and you like to spend money... nothing wrong with that, it can be a high in itself

[QUOTE=ShowMeHow23;5247392]I will say, 2021 was a turn of the page as it seems more SB have been more willing to meet up than I've had since mid to late last year. Maybe it was different from what others have seen, and I'm sure I'd get flamed for spending $400 on a SB when others are seeing some for $ or $$ but I get exactly what I want each time with the ones that agree to terms with me. Either way, my latest SB left back to AR. Petite little spinner that was amazing in the sack. Good luck out there everyone.[/QUOTE]I spend the same. It's actually a way better deal than doing bb w / high mileage old kgirls (who for some odd reason, most people think they are young but are really mid 30's if you're lucky) and other bb HX girls since you'll spend pretty much the same or more. Plus you spend more than a HR with a SB w / low mileage and prettier too! At least in my eyes, the ones I've had are no lower than 8. 5 in looks and bb too. Just haven't found one that lets me cip.

Yeah, I understand now where you are coming from. However, like another guy said, if a person is determined enough they will find you.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5245005]You just said he would be paying child support. He wouldn't be if he had not given up his real identity to the SB.

With respect to the rest of your post, I'll just say that there are a wide variety of ways to interact w / SBs, and a wide array of SBs to interact with. You're fishing in a different pond with a different rig than me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5250124]This girl favorited me today. She is the epitome of the grandiose thinking that has infected some of these girls.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c33777d0-bab6-4efc-a6df-93cc88649a96[/URL]

[/QUOTE]From her profile:

[I]My name is Emely, im into modeling and fashion. im a such a cool person and fun to be around, i like trying new things. i love shopping and eating i love all types of food, i love getting gifts and new stuff, text me to get to know me more and meet me, and Im also okay with distance or something online thats not a problem for me (I have my wishlist available 😊)[b] scammers stay away dont waist my time[/b].[/I]

[I]im seeking for a sugar daddy who is caring and respectful, a daddy who is gonna spoil me and take care of me, im expensive baby and im not afraid to show it 🥰, [b]im open to anything but intimacy[/b]
[/I]

Can't fucking spell and she's got crazy GPS. These girls just make me shake my head. This is what we get after a generation of chicks that have spent their lives so far making ducklips at a phone camera all day and getting "liked".

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5250716]From her profile:

[I]My name is Emely, im into modeling and fashion. im a such a cool person and fun to be around, i like trying new things. i love shopping and eating i love all types of food, i love getting gifts and new stuff, text me to get to know me more and meet me, and Im also okay with distance or something online thats not a problem for me (I have my wishlist available 😊)[b] scammers stay away dont waist my time[/b].[/I]

[I]im seeking for a sugar daddy who is caring and respectful, a daddy who is gonna spoil me and take care of me, im expensive baby and im not afraid to show it 🥰, [b]im open to anything but intimacy[/b]
[/I]

Can't fucking spell and she's got crazy GPS. These girls just make me shake my head. This is what we get after a generation of chicks that have spent their lives so far making ducklips at a phone camera all day and getting "liked".[/QUOTE]And she has that shitty filter that everyone uses these days that tell you right away she is not very attractive. I have been doing this for perhaps a decade and I have had great experiences. My tastes are more for Latinas and African American women and that suits me fine. Most White girls on the site are not attractive to me. The ones that are, are out of my budget and cannot be any better in bed than a number of women I have been with. They may equal them, but it isn't possible for them to be better. I am of the opinion everyone can get what they want on the site if they are patient and know when to walk away. I also wonder if some of these women are knowingly rolling the dice to see if some guy falls for it. Every women that I had negotiated with has dropped hundreds off her asking price. It doesn't always land in my budget and that's fine because there is always, ALWAYS another one waiting. After this year of very little sex, I am playing around with going higher for some but they won't be ones that I will have a long term thing with because they will be more about the money. I like the women that, whether they know it or not, are looking for a connection that feels like a relationship. Even if that is FWB. The ones who are smoking hot and want 6 to a grand don't interest me, not because of their price, but because of what that price represents. I have gone there in the past in Nevada and I don't regret it but the only a certain level of ecstasy that can be reached regardless of attractiveness and ability.

[QUOTE=JDeller;5250374]Yeah, I understand now where you are coming from. However, like another guy said, if a person is determined enough they will find you.[/QUOTE]I have considered this a lot, I would have a lot to lose if a hostile SB tracked me down, so I have been 100% certain not to give them anything they can use. I would be very very surprised if a girl could do it. I never let them see the license plate on my vehicle. I use a burner phone with a google voice #. While I have no doubt that google or the NSA could find out who I am from my electronic messaging use patterns, the question is, could the girl. I use only cash, I have the girl get the rooms. Can you tell me what my vulnerabilities are?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5253838]I have considered this a lot, I would have a lot to lose if a hostile SB tracked me down, so I have been 100% certain not to give them anything they can use. I would be very very surprised if a girl could do it. I never let them see the license plate on my vehicle. I use a burner phone with a google voice #. While I have no doubt that google or the NSA could find out who I am from my electronic messaging use patterns, the question is, could the girl. I use only cash, I have the girl get the rooms. Can you tell me what my vulnerabilities are?[/QUOTE]So what is recommended to pay for SA membership? I don't want to use my credit card since that can be tracked back to me? Has anyone tried a prepaid visa without rejection? Any info would be great.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5253838]I have considered this a lot, I would have a lot to lose if a hostile SB tracked me down, so I have been 100% certain not to give them anything they can use. I would be very very surprised if a girl could do it. I never let them see the license plate on my vehicle. I use a burner phone with a google voice #. While I have no doubt that google or the NSA could find out who I am from my electronic messaging use patterns, the question is, could the girl. I use only cash, I have the girl get the rooms. Can you tell me what my vulnerabilities are?[/QUOTE]That's easy.

Your COCK.

One day that little head will slip up and do most of the thinking

It's inevitable.

[QUOTE=SoCalJimmy;5253968]So what is recommended to pay for SA membership? I don't want to use my credit card since that can be tracked back to me? Has anyone tried a prepaid visa without rejection? Any info would be great.[/QUOTE]This is a perennial question posted on sugar threads. You should also look back at the archives for the Richmond, VA thread. I have done this recently, the answer is still the same. If you get a OneVanilla Visa prepaid debit card, not reloadable, that can be used to pay for membership. I buy them in pharmacies. I have also heard that if you have the SA app on an Android smartphone and get a GooglePay debit card, you can use the $ on that.

Many other prepaid cards may not work, the payment processor for SA may be outside the US, and allegedly many of the prepaid cards do not permit international charges. I wasn't to emphasize again, you must get THAT EXACT card. No guarantee about others that might have worked in the past, but may not now. If you have a problem, you might be able to contact SA customer service and give them the debit card #, and they run it. That worked some time ago. A couple years.

[QUOTE=Domino727;5254101]That's easy.

Your COCK.

One day that little head will slip up and do most of the thinking

It's inevitable.[/QUOTE]I don't get your point. I've been in the sugar bowl for 3+ years, it hasn't happened yet. What would I do that would reveal my identity to the girl. I am *extremely* disciplined about this. I once allowed a hotel receipt to hang around my house, that was the closest to a screw up, but I ditched it and dodged the SO.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5253838]I have considered this a lot, I would have a lot to lose if a hostile SB tracked me down, so I have been 100% certain not to give them anything they can use. I would be very very surprised if a girl could do it. I never let them see the license plate on my vehicle. I use a burner phone with a google voice #. While I have no doubt that google or the NSA could find out who I am from my electronic messaging use patterns, the question is, could the girl. I use only cash, I have the girl get the rooms. Can you tell me what my vulnerabilities are?[/QUOTE]Here is the problem with "sugar dating" the "nonpros". A pro never talks. You will not hear of a girl on any of the websites with "pros" going after you for blackmail. They are prostitutes and it is part of the code. Now, there are exceptions and you run into those when you start paying over market or attempt a relationship. Witness the 45th president and the hoes that talked.

If you are part of this girl's bread and butter, and you go on a carb free diet and stop paying her, you have a problem and she is not going away easy.

First, if you are ever in the shower washing all of her numerous orgasms off you, she checked your wallet and has your DL.

Second, how does she not see your car? You must be parking far away and in the nile delta.

Third, you have a profile that would identify you.

Fourth, she has your photograph, she must know where you are coming from, and she may have a boyfriend, er, I mean pimp, who followed you after you left.

Fifth, I assume when she gets the room, it is on her credit card for incidentals so it is truly only you doing the cash. I assume you never card any of the expenses, of course, except for your monthly charge for seeking non pros who fuck guys for money.

Any girls on SA who charges 2-3 times the going rate is not stupid. She is just not part of the code of silence of pros, because she is a, wait for it, non pro.

[blue]If they charge, they pros. End of

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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5253838]I have considered this a lot, I would have a lot to lose if a hostile SB tracked me down, so I have been 100% certain not to give them anything they can use. I would be very very surprised if a girl could do it. I never let them see the license plate on my vehicle. I use a burner phone with a google voice #. While I have no doubt that google or the NSA could find out who I am from my electronic messaging use patterns, the question is, could the girl. I use only cash, I have the girl get the rooms. Can you tell me what my vulnerabilities are?[/QUOTE]If that google number is attached to your real identity in any way, an attorney (or LE) could subpoena google for your info. Assuming all the precautions you say you're taking are, in fact, faithful at all times, that would be the biggest chink in your opsec. Again, they'd need a reason to get it done, like a complaint or paternity suit.

Then there's the whole, have someone besides her get your license plate. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Domino727;5254101]That's easy.

Your COCK.

One day that little head will slip up and do most of the thinking

It's inevitable.[/QUOTE]This is the way.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5254339]If that google number is attached to your real identity in any way, an attorney (or LE) could subpoena google for your info. Assuming all the precautions you say you're taking are, in fact, faithful at all times, that would be the biggest chink in your opsec. Again, they'd need a reason to get it done, like a complaint or paternity suit.

Then there's the whole, have someone besides her get your license plate. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Easy solution, get your tubes tied boys. .

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5254326]First, if you are ever in the shower washing all of her numerous orgasms off you, she checked your wallet and has your DL.

Second, how does she not see your car? You must be parking far away and in the nile delta.

Third, you have a profile that would identify you.

Fourth, she has your photograph, she must know where you are coming from, and she may have a boyfriend, er, I mean pimp, who followed you after you left.

Fifth, I assume when she gets the room, it is on her credit card for incidentals so it is truly only you doing the cash. I assume you never card any of the expenses, of course, except for your monthly charge for seeking non pros who fuck guys for money.

Any girls on SA who charges 2-3 times the going rate is not stupid. She is just not part of the code of silence of pros, because she is a, wait for it, non pro.[/QUOTE]I guess I am just a lot more careful than you would be. Wallet? In the FC? Never. No jewelry, nothing. Car key, cash for the baby. Part of opsec even for guys seeing professionals. She's not just seen my car, she's been in it. As I posted, I pull my plate before I roll up to the M&G. When I go to the FC, I stop a block away and pull it, so if there are any security cameras, it isn't caught. This does not pose a problem in my jurisdiction, in some other places, it could be risky vis a vis the local constabulary. What do you mean, a 'profile' that would identify me? My SA profile? I don't have my real pictures on that site. I share one with her by text before meeting, I guess that's a risk. I don't see a good way to avoid that though. Everything in my profile is part of my sugar cover story. Every SD needs one. The girls I have had sugar relationships with didn't have any men in their lives so far as I know, and no, no one followed me. I give the SB cash for the room, and she does *everything* - I have no connection to it other than telling her what website to use. Hotelsbyday. There's nothing on my credit card. And as reflected in other nearby posts on this thread, you can effectively pay for SA membership with 'cash', via a specific prepaid debit card. That's the whole point. SA, even if it were hacked like Ashley Madison, has no easy way to know who I am.

If you really think that all members of the worlds oldest profession has a greater code of behavior than a particular woman who I have checked out and vetted, you're due some sympathy. The place I recommend girls book the FC, it always puts the name of the guest on the TV. So, I get her full name and can run a background check on one of these many people search sites on the web. This info isn't really useful to use during the relationship, but if it were to turn sour and she's coming at me with extortion boasts (I've heard it all - 'I know your wife' you have ammunition to shoot back. Seriously, do you think someone with either real $ or professional reputation at stake would get into this game without all sorts of weapons on their side? I am all about calculated risk. And controlling for it.

What is it with these L.A. GPS SB's that want $1000 and block you when you offer 500?

[QUOTE=PussyDestroyr;5254419]Easy solution, get your tubes tied boys. .[/QUOTE]I remember the first time I fucked a chick after getting my big V. Didn't have to worry about her being on birth control, didn't have to even think about pulling out. I just loved, and still do, firing my deactivated load inside these little hookers that don't think they're hookers.

Of course, when the big apocalypse happens, I won't be able to help repopulate the planet, so there's that draw-back.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5254326]Here is the problem with "sugar dating" the "nonpros". A pro never talks. You will not hear of a girl on any of the websites with "pros" going after you for blackmail. They are prostitutes and it is part of the code. Now, there are exceptions and you run into those when you start paying over market or attempt a relationship. Witness the 45th president and the hoes that talked.

If you are part of this girl's bread and butter, and you go on a carb free diet and stop paying her, you have a problem and she is not going away easy.

[b]First, if you are ever in the shower washing all of her numerous orgasms off you[/b], she checked your wallet and has your DL.[/QUOTE]This was my favorite part of this post. Thanks for the smirk.

[QUOTE]Any girls on SA who charges 2-3 times the going rate is not stupid. She is just not part of the code of silence of pros, because she is a, wait for it, non pro.

[blue]If they charge, they pros. End of

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]This is what I keep trying to tell everyone. Why don't they believe it?? I'm not saying you can't [I]pretend[/I] they aren't hookers, but at the end of the day (or hour) at least be honest with yourself.

[QUOTE=BobbyO;5262399]What is it with these L.A. GPS SB's that want $1000 and block you when you offer 500?[/QUOTE]Plenty of whales out there who hit the lottery / were born with it and want to waste their money LOL.

Thankfully there's even more girls, so just got to roll on and you'll hit.

Funny story, buddy of mine (not on here or SA) had his V done and divorced twice, etc. He had a girl on the side he was banging and was smashing her raw. After he had the surgery, she tried to say she was a month preggo and he said, nice try bxxxx and cut her. Girls can be scanless!

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5262845]I remember the first time I fucked a chick after getting my big V. Didn't have to worry about her being on birth control, didn't have to even think about pulling out. I just loved, and still do, firing my deactivated load inside these little hookers that don't think they're hookers.

Of course, when the big apocalypse happens, I won't be able to help repopulate the planet, so there's that draw-back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JDeller;5250374]Yeah, I understand now where you are coming from. However, like another guy said, if a person is determined enough they will find you.[/QUOTE]I am very much with FarFarAway on this one!

I use the same security measures he does, with the exception of the license plate removal (not all SA women ever see my car).

The other steps he described are easy to do / arrange. As with him, I use a years old dumb burner phone. Not a smartphone, and paid for with prepaid cards. I have no photos on SA, and never exchange photos that appear anywhere public. So no use of photos from social media, etc. Most of my texting is done on the web using free disposable numbers. I access both web browsers and SA using Tor and/or VPN. So no IP tracking, and no text record even on the burner phone, other than a few last min directions to the door. Nothing with my real name or location.

Those steps all cut risk dramatically. Other than that, lots of women on SA are not that smart. Some are very smart indeed of course, and I tend to favor UC and equivalent students (ha ha). But most, not so much.

Using this approach has saved me from drama on several occasions over the years.

- The date who was wearing an ankle bracelet (tracker), when I got her clothes off! (Did not see her again).

- The dates who turned out to be druggies. Did not see them again.

- One lovely girl I saw, there was a message next day on my burner number from a "police officer". Did not even bother to listen to the rest of the message. No follow-up.

- The odd crazy.

So, thankfully no real issues other than being scammed in my early days, in over 4 years on SA.

[URL]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/seeking-arrangement-secret/id1522286546[/URL]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5254277]I have also heard that if you have the SA app on an Android smartphone and get a GooglePay debit card, you can use the $ on that.
[/QUOTE]This is one detail where I differ!

I avoid Google in all its forms. Google apps, and Google Voice.

Google are infamous as world leading data aggregators.

They put 2 +2 together to come up with well over 5 all the time.

Use Google, and the chances that they will know the "real" you are high.

I have read that they even check who else has a Google phone with you in your car, if you have a Google / Android phone.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5264234]This is one detail where I differ!

I avoid Google in all its forms. Google apps, and Google Voice.

Google are infamous as world leading data aggregators.

They put 2 +2 together to come up with well over 5 all the time.

Use Google, and the chances that they will know the "real" you are high.

I have read that they even check who else has a Google phone with you in your car, if you have a Google / Android phone.[/QUOTE]I do understand this. Yes, it's true, they have ways of identifying that are amazing. Somewhat similar to what happened with David Petraeus, when the NSA figured out that he was having an affair with his biographer b / c their two devices that were connecting to the same email account were in close proximity (same hotel room). They never sent an email, they just logged into the same account and wrote message they saved as drafts.

The issue is, Google voice is just too damn convenient. I guess my thinking is that Google isn't very likely to try to show me up to my SO, whereas a baby might if she was pissed by something I had done and knew my real identity.

I have heard everyone discussing the downsides of many current POTs on SA. I have experienced it to, I do think there are a lot more problems. I absolutely cut those off at the pass. I am blocking every one that is even a slight bit bitchy, or doesn't fit into my deal. I am 60+, if a girl has an age cut off of anything below 55, I just block the profile, never to be seen again, cluttering up my searches, etc.

I mostly don't tell girls off when we have conflicts. In soCal right now there's a pretty blond who says she is pregnant. It's an interest of mine, something I've never done, so we messaged. Eventually she admits she's not even in CA right now, the usual crap, wants to start the 'arrangement' online, once she gets here we'll get together. Yeah right. I told her calmly that I am very experienced and there'll be no allowance until an in person meeting. She gives the 'nice' kiss-off, YK, I hope you can find what you're looking for on here, and I just block her and delete all those messages. She's not very smart when she's trying to pull that shit with someone who has a profile that is a few years old.

I've been trying to get back into after the huge mess of my previous relationship with a girl from SA. Since I've been banned I've tried 2 other sites, but it's been horrible. The lack of girls on these sites is horrible compared to SA. Also it's as if girls are using covid as an excuse to meet and are asking for online only. WTF!? Girls are also asking for money before ever meeting or even a deposit before. Also girls are quoting prices like 500 just to talk and nothing sexual at meet up.

I've also explored a bit of a reddit forum and feel as if I got roasted for saying I've only done ppm. Everything I've learned about using SA from this site over the years has been ppm. Are we in the minority in not giving weekly allowances? On Reddit it's as if they're making me out to be a monster. When I know every girl I've met has had an enjoyable time with me.

[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;5272158]
I've also explored a bit of a reddit forum and feel as if I got roasted for saying I've only done ppm. Everything I've learned about using SA from this site over the years has been ppm. Are we in the minority in not giving weekly allowances? On Reddit it's as if they're making me out to be a monster. When I know every girl I've met has had an enjoyable time with me.[/QUOTE]Reddit sugar forum is mostly a platform for pros and semi-pros SBs. Their whole outlook is how to get the most from men while doing the least possible. So of course all you'll hear is whatever benefits the girls most and they couldn't care less about the men's experience or point of view. Things like monthly allowance and 'how dare you offer less than 2 k a month' are all over the forum. Once you understand where it's coming from you can safely ignore it and just go on your merry way. It's just hoes complaining for the most part.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5272707]Reddit sugar forum is mostly a platform for pros and semi-pros SBs. Their whole outlook is how to get the most from men while doing the least possible. So of course all you'll hear is whatever benefits the girls most and they couldn't care less about the men's experience or point of view. Things like monthly allowance and 'how dare you offer less than 2 k a month' are all over the forum. Once you understand where it's coming from you can safely ignore it and just go on your merry way. It's just hoes complaining for the most part.[/QUOTE]Their entire model is to be a rinser.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5272707]Reddit sugar forum is mostly a platform for pros and semi-pros SBs. Their whole outlook is how to get the most from men while doing the least possible. So of course all you'll hear is whatever benefits the girls most and they couldn't care less about the men's experience or point of view. Things like monthly allowance and 'how dare you offer less than 2 k a month' are all over the forum. Once you understand where it's coming from you can safely ignore it and just go on your merry way. It's just hoes complaining for the most part.[/QUOTE]This explains much as to why newbies are asking so much these days. They think it's market standard rate.

[QUOTE=SFVsag;5273413]This explains much as to why newbies are asking so much these days. They think it's market standard rate.[/QUOTE]It is amazing how just a handful of providers are controlling the narrative on Reddit and setting the expectations on what is acceptable for the rest of us. Talk about BBBJ on Reddit and you will be treated like a creepy pervert.

So I kind of think of this place a family of guys that share information. I haven't been on here as much recently. But when my last postef everyone could see how I fell for a girl I met on SA. So I'm just going to open up and be honest. I hope that's okay here. It miss the days when the legend B Malibu was here and he was such a great guy and open about his experiences and even falling for a provider at an AMP.

So one of my biggest issues coming back into the game is comparing everyone to my previous relationship. I've been off and on SA for a few years and I've had a lot of different experiences. Majority fwb and I've had two long-term arrangements if you will before, but nothing like this girl. The thing is I feel like she kind of declawed me. I spent most my life having casual relations with girls. And now I feel like I don't know how to act how to get girls on these sites anymore. I go in being way too nice. The longer you're in this you're bound to take a loss or two. I've taken two small losses before, but not like this. I've had a few losses recently when trying to get back in it. I never gave money up front before but when I met this previous girl I really just liked her so much I gave her 60 before we met and she was shocked and I was shocked. From there we talked everyday and saw each other every week. We never exchanged money per visit.

But now I find myself without my killer instinct anymore. I talked to these girls online I'm almost trying to recreate the situation or the dynamic me and the other girl had, by trying to be nice. But it never works out. I don't know I just don't have that firmness anymore I'm too much of a simp now. I know I'm just kind of ranting but I had to share this somewhere.

[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;5276012]So I kind of think of this place a family of guys that share information. I haven't been on here as much recently. But when my last postef everyone could see how I fell for a girl I met on SA. So I'm just going to open up and be honest. I hope that's okay here. It miss the days when the legend B Malibu was here and he was such a great guy and open about his experiences and even falling for a provider at an AMP.

So one of my biggest issues coming back into the game is comparing everyone to my previous relationship. I've been off and on SA for a few years and I've had a lot of different experiences. Majority fwb and I've had two long-term arrangements if you will before, but nothing like this girl. The thing is I feel like she kind of declawed me. I spent most my life having casual relations with girls. And now I feel like I don't know how to act how to get girls on these sites anymore. I go in being way too nice. The longer you're in this you're bound to take a loss or two. I've taken two small losses before, but not like this. I've had a few losses recently when trying to get back in it. I never gave money up front before but when I met this previous girl I really just liked her so much I gave her 60 before we met and she was shocked and I was shocked. From there we talked everyday and saw each other every week. We never exchanged money per visit.

But now I find myself without my killer instinct anymore. I talked to these girls online I'm almost trying to recreate the situation or the dynamic me and the other girl had, by trying to be nice. But it never works out. I don't know I just don't have that firmness anymore I'm too much of a simp now. I know I'm just kind of ranting but I had to share this somewhere.[/QUOTE]The kids today call it simping.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5276271]The kids today call it simping.[/QUOTE]I was once I mighty jungle cat. Now I'm a declawed house cat. You know it's hard to find someone you really connect with. Yeah I've said I fell hard for her. Now I'm totally simping with other girls to recreate it. Whatever connection I previously had with her it was unique. Out of all the girls I've met on SA only 3 were different. Two of them we are still friends to this day. I'm just struggling to get back to normal me.