[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1546090]I know we say some crazy stuff in L. A. But what the f is a Nando 1.[/QUOTE]Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernando. Post #779)
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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1546090]I know we say some crazy stuff in L. A. But what the f is a Nando 1.[/QUOTE]Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernando. Post #779)
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[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1546015]Sometimes the CPO calculation shouldn't be a straight $$ spent divided by cups of coffee ratio. You seem to have had quite a night on the town and undoubtedly enjoyed yourself there, even before you arrived at the hotel. If it makes you feel better about CPO, it would be reasonable to allocate some of those costs to the "fun" intangibles, rather than solely to the number of orgasms. We play with numbers like this all the time in the accounting world, which is further proof that number crunching is just as much an art as a science.
The thing about intangibles is that they often tend to pay returns when you least expect it, and you can tap that reservoir of goodwill when traditional sources of cash may be in shorter supply than normal.[/QUOTE]I agree. How do you put a quantitative value on goodwill? That is why I like to keep the sugar amount low so for the special ones like ATF I can splurge and have a big night on the town.
So, far the forum has come up with four Sugar Baby Metrics. Two are qualitative and two are quantitative.
Qualitative.
Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernado Post #779)
ISBE = Ideal Sugar Baby Experience (John G Smith. Post #1983)
Quantitative.
CPO = Cost per Orgasm (SubCmdr – Post. #1464)
TIH = Time in Hole (AOneFred7734 – #Post 1972)
The quality of the sugar baby experience should not be limited to a strict quantitative calculation.
When we returned to the room after our night on the town she jumped my bones. Not really being prepared for that type of reaction, I excused myself and went to the bathroom. I come out of the bathroom to a completely darkened room. She was standing in front of the full length window and basking in the warm glow of the city lights. I approached her, kissed her neck and she said 'I just love this view'. Her panties hit the floor, she was already wet and the evening just got better from there.
Intangibles indeed.
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Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp, and that was what happened to me on Friday. I had a double header lined up, one with a 19 year old who turned out to be a Nando 1, and another with a 22 year old Nando 3 who likes it rough and, relatively, cheap. These were both first dates, with Nando 1 suppossed to go down at 1, and Nando 3 at 4 on Friday afternoon.
Long story short, I'd been flirting back an forth with Nando 1 for about a week, and we agreed on Thursday to meet Friday afternoon. That morning, she sends the "how much" email, and I told her I could provide $, with an extra. 2 to cover her gas. She writes back to inform me that she never meets for less than $$$, but being a longtime follower of this forum I know that is BS. I tell her that I could meet in the middle at $$ (thinking with my little head, because her pictures were incredibly hot). She agrees to this (a little too quickly) , and by 11, time and place are locked in.
I get to the FC and check-in at 12:55, feeling frustrated to be so rushed. Not to worry. At 1:15 I get a text that she's "heading over," which concerns me because I was downtown and she was in Ashland (a solid 20 miles, for you non-Richmonders). I stew a little, and at 1:50 I finally get the knock on the door. She comes in, we small talk for a few minutes (since we'd never met before) , and then get down to business. We make out for several minutes (I just love kissing a new girl) and then she goes downtown. A few more minutes of head (I mean. 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, that's it) and I CIM. She swallows (points for her) and we play with each other's bodies before I return the favor.
After I give her a couple Os, I hit the head and go to pour us some more wine, but when I come back. She's getting dressed! We've been together MAYBE 30 minutes at this point, but she says her GF is waiting in the lobby and has to get back to babysit her (the GF's) nephew. I'm disappointed (I was planning to be with her until at least 3) , but obviously I'm not going to prevent her from leaving if she wants, so I go to my bag and give her $.
She gets pretty upset, and says we agreed on $$. I acknowledge that, but also point out that we'd agreed on 1:00, she'd been with me for less time than she'd been late, and I still have at least one more O left in me that I was hoping to enjoy. She says that "wasn't the deal," but I tell her firmly that she needs to go. After she leaves the room I hastily make an exit out the side of the hotel (I don't like that her friend is waiting downstairs).
I get to my car and leave, then pull into a restaurant a few blocks away to check my phone and confirm my next date. I have a text from Nando 3 that her job is keeping her until 6, and she's very sorry but she has to cancel. FML.
So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$."
I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.
Dr. Feelgood
[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd; 1546285]So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$." I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.[/QUOTE]Dr,
It's really only important that you feel good about how you handled it. IMHO it was a generous gift. She was worth no more than half of what you gave her. Don't let the wool get pulled over your eyes. You were dealing with a garden tool that has internet access. And your sugar amount should reflect that fact. From this point on, make a complete assessment of who you are dealing with. Let a SB with GPS walk! Figure out where the SB is on the Nando scale before you meet up. Just because a garden tool has a gold plated handle does not mean you aren't going to use it dig in the dirt like all of your other garden tools. I gave Mandy a saying that I use and she passed on: "Don't expect sugar baby treatment if you roll up on me like a garden tool." I get turned down all the time because of my low sugar offers. But I've also had them accepted and hit the jackpot (like with HMM).
As for the early exit. I would have told her that until I'm completely satisfied there is no sugar. What is she going to do? She doesn't know a thing about you. She is pressed for time. With you holding out the clock continues to tick. What is her friend going to do? Goto the front desk and say "Excuse me, my friend went to see the guy in room X and she has not come out yet." She treated you like a punk man. She only deserves to be treated like a lady if she is acting like one. She doesn't leave the room if your dick is still hard!
I may not always make the best decisions. But I can tell you one thing, I never operate out of fear. You are the bank. They need the loan. Make them put the work in. Next time tell her to drop her panties and bend over. Work that nasty thing until you bust up in it! I roll strictly with the hard working Nando1's. If you like the trailer trash, hood rats and 'round the way girls like me, you better learn how to handle them or you're going to wake up in a ditch.
SubCmdr out
[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd; 1546285]Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp, and that was what happened to me on Friday. I had a double header lined up, one with a 19 year old who turned out to be a Nando 1, and another with a 22 year old Nando 3 who likes it rough and, relatively, cheap. These were both first dates, with Nando 1 suppossed to go down at 1, and Nando 3 at 4 on Friday afternoon.
Long story short, I'd been flirting back an forth with Nando 1 for about a week, and we agreed on Thursday to meet Friday afternoon. That morning, she sends the "how much" email, and I told her I could provide $, with an extra. 2 to cover her gas. She writes back to inform me that she never meets for less than $$$, but being a longtime follower of this forum I know that is BS. I tell her that I could meet in the middle at $$ (thinking with my little head, because her pictures were incredibly hot). She agrees to this (a little too quickly) , and by 11, time and place are locked in.
I get to the FC and check-in at 12:55, feeling frustrated to be so rushed. Not to worry. At 1:15 I get a text that she's "heading over," which concerns me because I was downtown and she was in Ashland (a solid 20 miles, for you non-Richmonders). I stew a little, and at 1:50 I finally get the knock on the door. She comes in, we small talk for a few minutes (since we'd never met before) , and then get down to business. We make out for several minutes (I just love kissing a new girl) and then she goes downtown. A few more minutes of head (I mean. 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, that's it) and I CIM. She swallows (points for her) and we play with each other's bodies before I return the favor.
After I give her a couple Os, I hit the head and go to pour us some more wine, but when I come back. She's getting dressed! We've been together MAYBE 30 minutes at this point, but she says her GF is waiting in the lobby and has to get back to babysit her (the GF's) nephew. I'm disappointed (I was planning to be with her until at least 3) , but obviously I'm not going to prevent her from leaving if she wants, so I go to my bag and give her $.
She gets pretty upset, and says we agreed on $$. I acknowledge that, but also point out that we'd agreed on 1:00, she'd been with me for less time than she'd been late, and I still have at least one more O left in me that I was hoping to enjoy. She says that "wasn't the deal," but I tell her firmly that she needs to go. After she leaves the room I hastily make an exit out the side of the hotel (I don't like that her friend is waiting downstairs).
I get to my car and leave, then pull into a restaurant a few blocks away to check my phone and confirm my next date. I have a text from Nando 3 that her job is keeping her until 6, and she's very sorry but she has to cancel. FML.
So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$."
I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.
Dr. Feelgood[/QUOTE]I go for the shy but out control slutty girls. I have a lot a misses. But one out of 5 is a repeater. I only pay $ and do get a lot of turndows. But I also get 2 new girls a week that have agreed to enough terms for a first date. In a year thats a 100 girls. Thats like saying you got 20 regulars if you want them. So one bad experience just put one step closer to a good one. And of course the good ones get better. Somtimes. LOL
I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.
A cute young one willing to try everything and all she wants, is some drinks, dinner a stay in a hotel, and won't blink if anybody looks and you introduce her as "my wife' or "my mistress approved by my wife" to shut the looks up.
Who thinks you have dome more than she deserves by finding another female for a night, so she canner her first female-female play.
They are there, just need to go through a whole fleet of nando 1, 2 etc.
Ha, I see where she writes that she "loves Spankings" in her profile. Nice!
I would love to know anything about Anne in Glen Allen,
Profile Number. 860835 (Sugar Baby. F)
Age 41 from Glen Allen, United States.
Username:
Anne.
City / State:
Glen Allen, Virginia.
Country:
United States.
Age:
41 years old.
Height:
1. 63 meters (5' 4")
Body Type:
Slim.
[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ;1546675]I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ;1546675]I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.[/QUOTE]Not that it effects me, since I am in Chicago, but I think some of our bretheren would appreciate an exact profile # on this bad, bad baby. I am pretty sure this is not against Jackson's rules, and it would be extremely useful to our local chapter.
Peace,
Scott
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1544233]Her friend is 19, student, blonde and hot.[/QUOTE]Blonde is on SA. Profile 1154604 Name: Mary Location: Columbia, MD. I cannot find Brunette's profile.
I think it is good policy to out bad babies. The only problem with profile #'s is that they can cancel them and and resurface.
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With the ATF serving an indefinite period in the penalty box for playing me like a chump lately, I decided to fire up the SA account and start fishing again. I still have my nice 18yo HYB in my back pocket, but I crave variety. I've therefore set up a series of interviews this week to replenish my little black book, and, with some luck, find my next favorite.
Interview #1 was last evening after work. At 43, she's the oldest Pot I've met. She sounded nice on the phone, and from what I could glean from our conversation, she is divorced, has kids, and a stable career. She only had one pic on SA, but it was nice. Definitely MILF material. We met at the bar of a casual chain restaurant for an introductory drink.
This woman is hot. Keep in mind, gents, that I'm mid 30s, so 43 theoretically is at the edge of my comfort zone. But she's slim, toned, and has great features. Needless to say, the interview started well.
We talked for about an hour. She does seem to have her shit together. She says she normally trolls the legit dating sites but that she isn't looking for a relationship now, just fun. We never discussed specific sugar, although she dropped lots of hints that she expected to be well compensated for her time. At this point, I had to decide whether I should take a risk, and if so, for how much, or just cut her loose after the M&G.
I e-mailed a trusted brother but unfortunately did not hear back in time. In any event, I decided to take the plunge. We went to a hotel down the street, got another drink at the hotel bar, and headed upstairs. This is the "first" for me: the first time I've gone to the FC on a first interview.
After that, it was ON. She quickly shed her clothes and told me to take off my pants. Excellent; I like a woman who takes charge. She showed me a good time, and after I returned the favor, I knew she was enjoying herself by the large wet spot on the bed. Multiple positions ensued, she enjoyed herself a couple more times, and I had a big finish.
I decided to slip her sugar at the high end of my scale, because I would like to see her again. Turns out, I outbid myself (I know, I know) because she called almost immediately after we were headed our separate ways to tell me she had a great time and looks forward to our next meeting, which she offered to host at her place.
All in all, she's an excellent candidate to keep on the roster for future occasional visits. If I'm going to "Stand and take my grade" as the Cmdr would say, I'd give myself a sold B. Hot MILF, sex on the first date, prospect for future romps at her place, but overpaid.
Interview #2 is set for this evening with a HYCB; Interview #3 is Friday with a 27yo girl-next-door type. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1547117]Not that it effects me, since I am in Chicago, but I think some of our bretheren would appreciate an exact profile # on this bad, bad baby. I am pretty sure this is not against Jackson's rules, and it would be extremely useful to our local chapter.
Peace,
Scott[/QUOTE]Good idea Scott,
Her profile number is 623953, I will update if she changes or deletes. I treat my babies well and will not tolerate out and out thievery or other bad behavior that I associate more with a BP ad or a desperate garden tool with a bad habit. I would have probably made a gift to her if she told me she needed it so badly, I am fortunate and don't mind sharing what I have.
We all need to work together with both the good and the bad. Thanks to all my brothers on here, I've been playing for many years but have learned many valuable things reading here, wish I had more positive experiences to share.
J
Hi guys. I'm from the 757 but used to read the Richmond board as I got up there occasionally. I used to read this particular forum right after it started but it was, well, moribund as far as useful information. But I'm bored today and decided to check it out again. Holy sh*t! I am impressed! I'm a bit of a SD myself at the moment, having become the go-to for a local 22 year old who can't seem to hook up with anyone but me locally as she doesn't have a place. Plus, she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I like variety.
At any rate, I've been trying figure out what SA is? I've RTFFed but no one has referred to the site by name, and it must work as you guys are mining the hell out of it. I tried AFF and POF without any success, waste of $$. Thanks in advance for the info.
And, SubCmdr, your posts have me RTFLMAO.
[QUOTE=Exacta Picker; 1547785]Hi guys. I'm from the 757 but used to read the Richmond board as I got up there occasionally. I used to read this particular forum right after it started but it was, well, moribund as far as useful information. But I'm bored today and decided to check it out again. Holy sh*t! I am impressed! I'm a bit of a SD myself at the moment, having become the go-to for a local 22 year old who can't seem to hook up with anyone but me locally as she doesn't have a place. Plus, she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I like variety.
At any rate, I've been trying figure out what SA is? I've RTFFed but no one has referred to the site by name, and it must work as you guys are mining the hell out of it. I tried AFF and POF without any success, waste of $$. Thanks in advance for the info.
And, SubCmdr, your posts have me RTFLMAO.[/QUOTE]Welcome back, EP. Believe it or not, this is the first thing I read every day. It's always full of info, and even in slow times, there's a laugh or two to be had.
SA = seeking arrangement. Com (remove spaces)
There are other sites, of course, and they tend to be regional at times. But SA I think is the largest.
[QUOTE=JoesParty;1547728]All in all, she's an excellent candidate to keep on the roster for future occasional visits. If I'm going to "Stand and take my grade" as the Cmdr would say, I'd give myself a sold B. Hot MILF, sex on the first date, prospect for future romps at her place, but overpaid.[/QUOTE]Joe,
My man! You caught the 3rd wire!
Your approach: Solid; Working the cougar angle eh? I like it!
Her appearance: 'This woman is hot'
Assessment of Nando class: Dead on.
Move to the FC on the first date: Impressive, plus bonus points for no discussion of sugar.
Sexual performance: 'After that, it was ON'
Sugar Amount: So you may have outbid yourself. You wanted to see her again. The sexual performance was solid. And you got an invitation to return with her hosting. That places her at ease, improves the quality of the experience, and is going to lower your CPO. So, put that extra sugar that you could have saved into intangibles / goodwill and roll with it.
You are too hard on yourself: A-
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