Thoughts on SB-SD Relations: The Meet & Greet (M&G)
[QUOTE=HenryT458;6518575]Saw this on another sugar thread:
Gentlemen BEWARE.
It has come to my attention and I have seen for myself, a couple of ladies on the site are using an app called REMINI to generate AI enhanced photos of themselves. Smh. Be safe out there LOL.
Even more of a reason to have a short meet and greet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EpicSD;6518991]Honestly I feel meet and greets are essential or at least a FT. But then again, I'm not married. I get it if this is a secret life for someone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;6519183]I guess we should start bringing Monopoly money to meet and greets if the real life version is not what the profile indicated. Then again, what is good for the goose is good the gander and no reason why we can't use the app to seriously change our appearance.
Be Safe.[/QUOTE]First, I hear that there are guys who chat with a girl and [b]arrange to meet her AT a hotel for the first time. To me that is not sugar dating[/b] but an UTR girl or regular prostitute. I'm looking for girls, who while they are doing the P2 P thingie, don't consider themselves to be prostitutes. (I know, I know, we can argue that one all day) So I am happy to allow them their little fantasy and do whatever it takes to not make them feel "used" for sex or cheap. Lost one SB because, as she put it, I felt like a prostitute rather than s FWB / FB. If a girl would agree to just meet at a hotel I probably wouldn't date her thinking this was a profession for her. So what is Sugar Dating to you? Another way to get an Escort for a one-off date? Someone you build a form of relationship with?
Second, for me a M&G is [U]essential[/U] as that is [b]where I feel her out on her limits and the amount of sugar she is looking for.[/b] I guess one can have those conversations about sex acts and money over text or FaceTime or some other SM chat service. But in my estimation it is a lot easier for a permanent record of those "discussions" to be made. Remember what you see on TV all of the time in the lawyer shows "be careful what you commit to paper" (or some other form of documentation). Oh sure, I guess a girl could place her phone on the table at a M&G and record the convo. Just think that is less likely.
Third, as others have mentioned a M&G is [b]where one gets to see if the pictures match reality and her true personality.[/b] Visuals for me is half the game as I want to see if a girl has a good personality, if she's a psycho or if she is flirty. This is where I get more info from facial expressions, body language and vocal intonation than miles of texting. Too much valuable info to be had, to avoid this data collection phase. But, I can tell you I've only met a few girls who truly understand the art of seduction or how to practice it. Most girls figure just showing up is enough. I guess for a lot of guys it's the visuals that set them off and personality, sensuality or seductiveness are minor? Again, are you looking for just a warm hole or some kind of relationship?
Fourth, What is the point of bringing monopoly money to a M&G? If a girl wants to be paid for a M&G, I click NEXT! [B]Basic Rule of Sugar Dating: No money until the panties hit the floor.[/B] So no idea why I would need monopoly money, I'm not paying for a M&G period. Only pros go that direction and it's up there with "buy my content so I'll" If you don't know how to not "pay upfront" then ASK and get educated, Get some techniques / skills in this arena. I keep seeing reports of guys paying up front and losing control of the money, only to have the girl and the funds walk out the door. Don't be a victim.
Five, no idea [b]why I would want to change my appearance with Photoshop or some App!?[/b] Have heard from too many girls about guys who do that or lie on their statistics. If you say you're 6-ft and show up only 5'4" that tells the girl something and many will turn you down. If a girl is so shallow as to not like me for my looks or she has preferences that I don't meet, then fine, it's likely to be a bust later for some other reason. But why get her to a M&G under false pretenses? Really dumb girls, pros or those desperate for cash might look the other way. I wouldn't expect that from the smarter or college girls.
Finally, being [b]married or single has nothing to do with being careful, private and having some OpSec.[/b] Single guys think they have a pass? Think again. There are instances of blackmail out there. Do you really want knowledge of your mongering to be "out there" searchable on SM et al? Point is that can effect future relationships, family, friends and business relationships. I'd caution against having too narrow a focus on ones safety. Just because you haven't thought of it, doesn't mean it might not happen. So this should be a secret life for anyone. Get some good OpSec going.
Just a few thoughts FWIW. Happy playing in the Sugar Bowl!
Diamond on seeking and other stuff
I am curious. Has anyone ever upgraded to diamond on seeking. I know wouldn't. I am sure it would attract a lot of chick's.
Everyone is going to use a different approach. I am a low key guy that takes my time. I used to be that guy who reached out to a bunch of girls and it was fun. Also time consuming. I just don't have time for all that now. Plus with these girls asking a little more too and I still see a few. So I signed back and the same stuff. I would say most of the girls are asking about 100 more now. The ratio seems to be about the same. Anywhere from 8/6 to 1. I know seeking or somewhere it says it's like 10 to 1. Girls to men. I will try to share some links of these girls that are hard asking 400 of more. I have a strict ceiling.
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Vanilla Cream (28) - SCAM alert
Watch out for this one. Started messaging with her, exchanged numbers, started talking. She seemed cool, no signs of anything weird, drug use, etc. We set up a date. The night before the day we're supposed to meet she gives me some sob story and says she needs $30. Honestly, I sent it just to see what she would do. Partially I did feel she was legit, but a part of me isn't scared to lose a small amount just to see the full picture. Better than walking into a potentially sketchy situation. So I send the $30.
The next day she texts good afternoon, etc, etc. I text back, no response. A few hours go by and she texts me saying things like "Hey haven't heard from you". So I figured her scam was she pretends her phone wasn't getting any texts in order to skip the meetup. I immediately call bullshit, and because I was overly annoyed by her childish attempts at lying, I sent her a redacted screenshot of my bank account amounts just to show her what she fucked up, and told her to enjoy her $30. This was petty and reactive LOL. However, she responds with a text that says "huh? Which tells me she sees everything I'm sending.
Skip to the next day she waits until the middle of the day to start texting me saying she just got all of my texts and so on, trying to salvage the conversation. She sends me a bunch of screenshots of our text thread in which she clearly deleted the texts because she also deleted her own text, the one where she responded "huh?" LOL. I call bullshit immediately, there's some back and forth. Finally I say whatever, let it slide, we can try to meet up again when I have time. As soon as I agree to let it slide, she automatically assumes I believed her bullshit and starts sending me voice messages asking me to send her $100 with some sob story about feeding her kids LOL. Told her nope, I can give it to you after we meet. And I made sure to use the word after because now you're not to be trusted. She responded with something rude implying that I'm stupid for thinking she's scamming. So with that, even if we did get to the point where she gave me her address and it was go time, I'm more than likely not going. Even though there are no signs of hard drug use, she's showing clear signs of a possible cash and dash or boyfriend hiding in the apartment type of shit.
It goes without saying I should've blocked her just for asking for the original $30, but the good news is I get to report here just how far she's willing to go to steal from you. You've been warned.
Time Waster Alert. SexyMyMy (Maya, 29) Drexel Hill
Sorry, no photo here. Went back to her profile to grab it right after we were supposed to meet, and of course profile deactivated. She was a cute Black girl wearing blue lingerie, braids in her hair. Said her name was Maya and people call her My.
Started messaging a week ago, everything seemed legit, really nice and cool. We exchanged numbers, talked some more and agreed to meet. She was the one who actually reached out to me because of the fact that I had a kinky profile pic posted and she said she was interested in that. So we went from there and decided on $$$ for a few hours of play. It was assumed there would be kink / fetish play but no other details were discussed so there was no explicit terms stating that would be the only thing we did. Everything was open to make up as we went along. I asked if she had a place we could go and she said no, I'd have to book a room. 3 days later I come up with a solid date for me, she agrees to it, and I use some rewards points to book a room 15 minutes from where she lives. She says she's glad about that. We talk a little more the next day or so. Still totally cool, no red flags, never asks for money, never says anything weird.
The couple days leading up to the date we don't talk too much. Morning of, she texts me early to confirm. Says some guys ghost the day of, so she was just checking. I said of course not, I booked a room. I tell her check in time is 3, so I can be there then. She says no, she's busy until 4 and then needs to get ready, so 6 or 7 is better for her. I say that's fine. I realized this was cutting it close for my schedule. I get my stuff ready, grab something to eat on the way, check in by 4. I hang out and get stuff set up.
Finally at 6:24 she texts me, say getting dressed. Remember she lives 15 minutes away. Time goes by and I realize it's getting late, so we can't do any kink / fetish play tonight, too time consuming. I wait until 7:39 (a whole 1 hr and 15 mins after she said she was getting dressed), and finally I text her and say we can't do any roleplaying and so on tonight because it's getting late and I have to leave soon. No answer. Wait until 8 pm before leaving my wasted hotel room (which luckily I used points to book). I get all the way home, still no answer. Go to her profile, deactivated. Not sure if she decided she was going to ghost me during that time she was "getting dressed" or after I texted her no kink play and she realized she was going to have to fuck. In either case, total time waster.
Not having a great week. I think I might have to make M&Gs mandatory at this point.
