[QUOTE=YukPhu;6835694]Looks like the profile is gone. It would be my first time looking at her so I'd be surprised if I'm already blocked.[/QUOTE]She gave me permission to give out her contact. Dm if you want it.
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[QUOTE=YukPhu;6835694]Looks like the profile is gone. It would be my first time looking at her so I'd be surprised if I'm already blocked.[/QUOTE]She gave me permission to give out her contact. Dm if you want it.
[QUOTE=Hawg219;6835510]This one is fairly new to the game and has only been on Seeking since September. Single mom who has a high sex drive. Got to see her today while her daughter was at high school.
She's fairly naive on how the whole process works. Bought some content from her and instantly became interested. Original asking ppm was 500-600, but I was able to talk her down to 200 ppm on a day where she had a huge desire to see just about anyone who answered her text. Great GFE, terrific bubbly ass. A little bit of a belly, but her sizable breast and bubbly ass makes up for it. Higher pitch voice which sounds very alluring as she talks dirty to you. A lot of dirty talk and DFK. She is BBFSCIP and lets you record the session if you choose to.
Only caveat I had with her is that MSOG is questionable. She gets tired after two rounds and I had to really convince her to go for a third round. DATY tasted great, but she has very big lips and a lot of area to explore. Host out of her own house in a cozy apartment complex with 200+ units.
Worth the ppm if you can negotiate it down.
I enjoyed my time with her, will repeat.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/7ecc0051-7e65-4eeb-a97d-f395076b1c64[/URL][/QUOTE]Well done!
I talked with her before but her initial asking ppm of 400-500 made me move on and not bother to negotiate.
Excellent work to bring her down to 200.
[QUOTE=BoredinCT12;6832902]
3. Had a girl actually ask me to put her on my verizon plan![/QUOTE]After 6 months of seeing a woman twice a month she asked if I could cosign a mortgage on a townhouse. I stopped seeing her immediately.
[QUOTE=Tnahound;6818484][URL]https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/asianhispanic[/URL]#reviews-tab.[/QUOTE]If you cut and paste the link, it satmyss she wants 2 to meet up and a deposit.
Red flag to me.
[QUOTE=Swm11;6837952]If you cut and paste the link, it satmyss she wants 2 to meet up and a deposit.
Red flag to me.[/QUOTE]I've texted with her. Total waste of time. Would not leave house for less than 500. Next. Has at least 2-3 phone numbers. Wants digital deposit.
Another case of GPS.
Use to fuck her for 200 ppm with CIP and CIA when she was new to the game a few years back.
Now, she won't entertain your offers unless it's 400 ppm or higher.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4da185b5-3771-4286-9496-876321cc2c13[/URL]
[QUOTE=TopGun9;6839544]Another case of GPS.
Use to fuck her for 200 ppm with CIP and CIA when she was new to the game a few years back.
Now, she won't entertain your offers unless it's 400 ppm or higher.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4da185b5-3771-4286-9496-876321cc2c13[/URL][/QUOTE]Is this the one with the college roommates? She told me months back she stopped but her roommates are always broke and might be interested. Never heard back.
400 seems to be the going quote for most girls on here. The final seems to be around 200. I have a sugar that does get 400, but she always accommodates me when I'm in town including driving an hr one way to me for each visit (or I can go to her house), brings drinks, stays the night occasionally, and also allows recording for OF content. She basically set the bar.
[QUOTE=DonnnyBravo;6841921]Is this the one with the college roommates? She told me months back she stopped but her roommates are always broke and might be interested. Never heard back.
400 seems to be the going quote for most girls on here. The final seems to be around 200. I have a sugar that does get 400, but she always accommodates me when I'm in town including driving an hr one way to me for each visit (or I can go to her house), brings drinks, stays the night occasionally, and also allows recording for OF content. She basically set the bar.[/QUOTE]I don't know who her college roommates is.
But she already finished college. Yeah, she's on and off the site. I guess she goes back on the site whenever she needs additional funds for her concert trips to see the KPOP bands LOL.
I am still banging most girls for around 200-250.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6d8fd4cd-29ad-456f-93cd-39c6655038bb[/URL]
Has anyone met? She has been on for a long time is my only concern. Can't find any reviews which is odd.
[QUOTE=Gamisi;6842005][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6d8fd4cd-29ad-456f-93cd-39c6655038bb[/URL]
Has anyone met? She has been on for a long time is my only concern. Can't find any reviews which is odd.[/QUOTE]I hit it once. She's bigger than her pictures; I almost walked but I wanted to bust a nut. Lives in a sketchy part of NH.
[QUOTE=GlenBenton;6842877]I hit it once. She's bigger than her pictures; I almost walked but I wanted to bust a nut. Lives in a sketchy part of NH.[/QUOTE]Thank you sir! I had a feeling this was the case.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ccde277f-ded4-4f8d-90ba-7103de29e255[/URL]
She is using the babysitter scam. Poo.
[QUOTE=ILoveThatPoo;6843528][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ccde277f-ded4-4f8d-90ba-7103de29e255[/URL]
She is using the babysitter scam. Poo.[/QUOTE]Oldest trick in the book lmao!
Who still fall for this crap?
Anyone ever seen this one? Has been around for a while but can't seem to find any reviews on here.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f076f6a4-b3da-4492-bc1a-7560ecd23bb1[/URL]
[QUOTE=GlenBenton;6842877]I hit it once. She's bigger than her pictures; I almost walked but I wanted to bust a nut. Lives in a sketchy part of NH.[/QUOTE]I wish your review was more detailed because I just had one of the worst experiences with her. STAY AWAY.
I just spent time with her after agreeing to 300 ppm, and she looks NOTHING like her photos. She's gained a significant amount of weight where the only thing reminiscent of her photos is her eyes. And her personality was so socially awkward, I thought she was borderline crazy. Sketchy apartment in a shared house in a sketchy neighborhood. Roommate was hanging around even after she assured me the house was empty. She took me to her room, which was a tiny cluttered thing filled with all these smoking accessories and pipes, I could barely walk in it. And her bed is not even a full mattress, but a small twin bed. Getting in position for the action was awkward as hell. Performance was non-existent. Total dead fish from emotionless BJ to not even a grunt during penetration. By the time she took her hoodie off to reveal how disgusting her body was, she was already giving me head and I felt obliged to ppm her with the looming threat of the unknown roommate near by.
All in all, I was hoping for a hot, California spinner in the photos and Instagram as advertised. Instead I got this disgusting whale who smelled like fish even after she showered. I popped once, got dressed, and left within 10 minutes. Will never repeat and advise everyone to stay away.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6d8fd4cd-29ad-456f-93cd-39c6655038bb[/URL]
[QUOTE=Hawg219;6846152]I wish your review was more detailed because I just had one of the worst experiences with her. STAY AWAY.
I just spent time with her after agreeing to 300 ppm, and she looks NOTHING like her photos. She's gained a significant amount of weight where the only thing reminiscent of her photos is her eyes. And her personality was so socially awkward, I thought she was borderline crazy. Sketchy apartment in a shared house in a sketchy neighborhood. Roommate was hanging around even after she assured me the house was empty. She took me to her room, which was a tiny cluttered thing filled with all these smoking accessories and pipes, I could barely walk in it. And her bed is not even a full mattress, but a small twin bed. Getting in position for the action was awkward as hell. Performance was non-existent. Total dead fish from emotionless BJ to not even a grunt during penetration. By the time she took her hoodie off to reveal how disgusting her body was, she was already giving me head and I felt obliged to ppm her with the looming threat of the unknown roommate near by.
All in all, I was hoping for a hot, California spinner in the photos and Instagram as advertised. Instead I got this disgusting whale who smelled like fish even after she showered. I popped once, got dressed, and left within 10 minutes. Will never repeat and advise everyone to stay away.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6d8fd4cd-29ad-456f-93cd-39c6655038bb[/URL][/QUOTE]Thus my "almost walked" comment.
I don't recall a twin bed. It was more like a queen (I think). It was one and done for sure. Totally not my type at all. She wasn't a total dead fish with me though. She was vocal from the back. But I was grossed out by her sloppy tits and thicker body.
Well, we've both been there and we both won't be returning. Once in a while we all go pigging.
[QUOTE=Geroge;6845144]Anyone ever seen this one? Has been around for a while but can't seem to find any reviews on here.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f076f6a4-b3da-4492-bc1a-7560ecd23bb1[/URL][/QUOTE]Said she's not doing "Paper Meats" right. Now but will do "parties".
"Parties" are her stripping with "stripper rules".
She want 2 at the door plus 20 per dance or 5 at the door with unlimited dances.
I assume her idea of "stripper rules" aren't the same as those at EB or one of the joints in Bridgeport.
I did not end up meeting her.
[QUOTE=Hawg219;6846152]I wish your review was more detailed because I just had one of the worst experiences with her. STAY AWAY.
I just spent time with her after agreeing to 300 ppm, and she looks NOTHING like her photos. She's gained a significant amount of weight where the only thing reminiscent of her photos is her eyes. And her personality was so socially awkward, I thought she was borderline crazy. Sketchy apartment in a shared house in a sketchy neighborhood. Roommate was hanging around even after she assured me the house was empty. She took me to her room, which was a tiny cluttered thing filled with all these smoking accessories and pipes, I could barely walk in it. And her bed is not even a full mattress, but a small twin bed. Getting in position for the action was awkward as hell. Performance was non-existent. Total dead fish from emotionless BJ to not even a grunt during penetration. By the time she took her hoodie off to reveal how disgusting her body was, she was already giving me head and I felt obliged to ppm her with the looming threat of the unknown roommate near by.
All in all, I was hoping for a hot, California spinner in the photos and Instagram as advertised. Instead I got this disgusting whale who smelled like fish even after she showered. I popped once, got dressed, and left within 10 minutes. Will never repeat and advise everyone to stay away.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6d8fd4cd-29ad-456f-93cd-39c6655038bb[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks BossHawg! Almost felt like I let a bi-spinner get away, are there any decent chicks on SA, they all seem mentally unstable or gross!
[QUOTE=Gamisi;6847570]Thanks BossHawg! Almost felt like I let a bi-spinner get away, are there any decent chicks on SA, they all seem mentally unstable or gross![/QUOTE]I've had some great times with SA girls.
One method I use to weed out the riff raff is to get a real number and not a VOIP number.
If a girl sends me a message that includes her# and said# is a VOIP# (easy to confirm) I'll respond and say "send me a real number and it a VOIP #.
The good ones have all given me their real #.
In my post from a few weeks ago I provided a number of good ones; all of them gave me their real numbers.
I have been banging CLassyFan and she's pretty good.
But I am talking to a few others and curious if anyone met them.
This one seems legit. Feels like a young single mom looking for cash.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c90c1d0b-87b6-4368-ac3b-e261b14b7184[/URL]
This one doesn't give me good vibes, like GPS potential. But I like the way she looks.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/53eab688-89e9-4bd4-9cd3-12c18af50522[/URL]
I can't figure this one out. I talked to her a while back, couldn't get her to commit to anything. She hit me up again, but still it's like pulling teeth with her. However I know some guys have had a good time with her. Is she worth it?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/69088502-e5a2-4270-ac7e-bc6252e7a589[/URL]
Someone warned me that this one is not DTF. Well we set up a date and she was pulling the "I need a babysitter" line. Pass.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/377fa42e-4d90-4e17-bdc6-edfe1325f860[/URL]
This one hit me up, but she isn't really my vibe and I find that these older party girl types. Well. They aren't always the best ROI but some can be an absolute blast.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f6425746-d3bf-4d8d-b915-9ab33c9568b1[/URL]
[QUOTE=Hawg219;6768776]Seen her plenty of times, true nympho. Eagerly swallows. Her legit bf is aware that she does seeking and meets guys. If you vibe with her, you can get her down to a decent rate. You have to get a room though and her class / work schedule is pretty hectic. Good luck if you do get a time to meet her, but she's bipolar and definitely a nympho. I don't have anything bad to say about her other than trying to set up an actual date.
Young, pretty, and use to be very athletic. Knee injury prevents her from working out and causes her pain, but she craves sex and being used by men.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tommy13;6848350]I have been banging CLassyFan and she's pretty good.
But I am talking to a few others and curious if anyone met them.
This one seems legit. Feels like a young single mom looking for cash.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c90c1d0b-87b6-4368-ac3b-e261b14b7184[/URL]
[/QUOTE]This is like the third time she's created a new profile. See my review above. Not a single mom, but indeed a very horny grad student. She's a bit of a swinger in her normal life and uses seeking for extra $.
I am now a member and thoroughly enjoyed our time together. Nice and healthy good personality and enthusiastic about sucking and fucking. Nice tight pussy too. This woman enjoys herself as much as I did. Treat her well. She isn't cheap but will negotiate. Poo.
[QUOTE=Tommy13;6848350]I have been banging CLassyFan and she's pretty good.
But I am talking to a few others and curious if anyone met them.
This one seems legit. Feels like a young single mom looking for cash.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c90c1d0b-87b6-4368-ac3b-e261b14b7184[/URL]
This one doesn't give me good vibes, like GPS potential. But I like the way she looks.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/53eab688-89e9-4bd4-9cd3-12c18af50522[/URL]
I can't figure this one out. I talked to her a while back, couldn't get her to commit to anything. She hit me up again, but still it's like pulling teeth with her. However I know some guys have had a good time with her. Is she worth it?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/69088502-e5a2-4270-ac7e-bc6252e7a589[/URL]
Someone warned me that this one is not DTF. Well we set up a date and she was pulling the "I need a babysitter" line. Pass.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/377fa42e-4d90-4e17-bdc6-edfe1325f860[/URL]
This one hit me up, but she isn't really my vibe and I find that these older party girl types. Well. They aren't always the best ROI but some can be an absolute blast.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f6425746-d3bf-4d8d-b915-9ab33c9568b1[/URL][/QUOTE]This one hit me up, but she isn't really my vibe and I find that these older party girl types. Well. They aren't always the best ROI but some can be an absolute blast.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f...5-9ab33c9568b1[/URL]
Any one posing with their gramma is most certainly a keeper! .
Has anyone seen Kat / Katie from Enfield? I was able to find scraps of information searching this forum, but never a concrete review. Is she worth the visit?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2710bb9c-cd5e-4093-8bb2-bdc79beab4ab[/URL]
She is real. Perfect womanly body IMO. Just the right curves and cushion. Very pretty face. The pics on her profile are accurate. IDK why she only shows her face in the pics. She should show off her body as well. But she is of a quiet disposition. So you would probably want to take the lead, although she is no pushover either. Definitely worth a try to see if she's your type. She can host sometimes at her house, otherwise you might need to host. She used to drive, not sure about now. She's a bit mysterious. I always thought she has a boyfriend but can't be sure. Either way the boyfriend, if there is one, stays out of the way or she schedules things around his absence. Actually, the house where she sometimes hosts might even be her family's house (so, maybe no boyfriend).
[QUOTE=Hawg219;6852252]Has anyone seen Kat / Katie from Enfield? I was able to find scraps of information searching this forum, but never a concrete review. Is she worth the visit?
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2710bb9c-cd5e-4093-8bb2-bdc79beab4ab[/URL][/QUOTE]
She has lot of reviews, has been around for a while, pasting an old review.
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I've talked to her, but she lives too far for me.
Quote Originally Posted by ArtOf.
See post 1938.
Katie.
"Saw her last week, easy setup, she drove to my place, pics are hers but she looked a bit different, not in a bad way though, lacks personality and smelled of smoke but had a good time. ".
A wise kid once told me, "If she doesn't show her body by the third photo, then she's fat!
Unfortunately, this was the case with Katie. Saw her for 300 ppm and got bbfscip, no cim. Lackluster GFE, borderline dead fish. Skin tasted salty. I also hate daty with big girls because there's so much blubber you have to fight through to get to the prize. She doesn't like MSOG, I had to convince her to go two rounds. Upside is that she's very tight in the best ways possible. Awkward personality and business as usual attitude. Kept running in and out of the bathroom, singing to herself with the door closed. Kicked her out after 45 minutes.
Overall didn't enjoy my experience. YMMV with this one, but definitely not worth more than 200. Her current size is like purple hair Jenn from Windsor Locks. Too big for my liking.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2710bb9c-cd5e-4093-8bb2-bdc79beab4ab?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D
Thanks for reporting back. IDK when she gained the weight. Maybe during Covid. When I saw her pre-Covid, she was just a little thick (like the pic I showed you). Tight makes sense, since I don't think she has any kids. I did not experience the singing -- was it any good LOL? She's obviously sharing dated pics because the pic you showed me also looked fine.
[QUOTE=Hawg219;6854637]A wise kid once told me, "If she doesn't show her body by the third photo, then she's fat!
Unfortunately, this was the case with Katie. Saw her for 300 ppm and got bbfscip, no cim. Lackluster GFE, borderline dead fish. Skin tasted salty. I also hate daty with big girls because there's so much blubber you have to fight through to get to the prize. She doesn't like MSOG, I had to convince her to go two rounds. Upside is that she's very tight in the best ways possible. Awkward personality and business as usual attitude. Kept running in and out of the bathroom, singing to herself with the door closed. Kicked her out after 45 minutes.
Overall didn't enjoy my experience. YMMV with this one, but definitely not worth more than 200. Her current size is like purple hair Jenn from Windsor Locks. Too big for my liking.
https://members.seeking.com/member/2710bb9c-cd5e-4093-8bb2-bdc79beab4ab?_cf_ref=aHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2FzZXhndWlkZS5ubC8%3D[/QUOTE]
Just came back after spending a week in Mexico City for work, met with 3 girls from seeking there, young (22,23, 25), great attitudes, easy to communicate, each were simply fantastic looking, all for 2000-3000 mx ($120-$180). No GPS. So refreshing compared to the dross around here.
[QUOTE=PopPoppy70;6856429]Just came back after spending a week in Mexico City for work, met with 3 girls from seeking there, young (22,23, 25), great attitudes, easy to communicate, each were simply fantastic looking, all for 2000-3000 mx ($120-$180). No GPS. So refreshing compared to the dross around here.[/QUOTE]Had a similar experience in Panama a few years ago. It was a little more ($150-$250). Hot Columbians, Venezuelans, and Costa Ricans.
This one pulled the angry boyfriend / brother trick on me. I completely fell for her act that she was just an ugly girl who was desperate to see someone. I should have taken the red flags when I figured out she had 5 convictions and was due in court for another felony.
I arrived at her place and instead of putting me at ease, she kept urging me to take my clothes off and did not initiate anything. The entire time I noticed she put no effort into making feel at ease. Then the phone rang followed by strikes two and three. BBJ stopped and she was telling me all sorts of stories of which family member was going to swing by and pick up her laundry. Then she finally dropped the "my brother is going to want money from me or he's going to be pissed," line and kept announcing my reactions to whoever she was on the phone with. I wasn't about to find out, so I got dressed, left the PPM, and went out the fire escape of her apartment since there was only one entrance and supposedly someone was waiting for me down there.
The entire time she kept telling me that I was making her nervous and putting the blame on me, which didn't sit right with me at all. I was able to avoid further confrontation after this.
Avoid and stay safe. Always have an exit strategy and sweep your surroundings before seeing a girl.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f116cfa0-5720-4ecd-93bd-5a78c90d40ba[/URL]
[QUOTE=Hawg219;6872047]This one pulled the angry boyfriend / brother trick on me. I completely fell for her act that she was just an ugly girl who was desperate to see someone. I should have taken the red flags when I figured out she had 5 convictions and was due in court for another felony.
I arrived at her place and instead of putting me at ease, she kept urging me to take my clothes off and did not initiate anything. The entire time I noticed she put no effort into making feel at ease. Then the phone rang followed by strikes two and three. BBJ stopped and she was telling me all sorts of stories of which family member was going to swing by and pick up her laundry. Then she finally dropped the "my brother is going to want money from me or he's going to be pissed," line and kept announcing my reactions to whoever she was on the phone with. I wasn't about to find out, so I got dressed, left the PPM, and went out the fire escape of her apartment since there was only one entrance and supposedly someone was waiting for me down there.
The entire time she kept telling me that I was making her nervous and putting the blame on me, which didn't sit right with me at all. I was able to avoid further confrontation after this.[/QUOTE]She's giving off "big back" energy. She weigh about 200 after 30 min in a sauna.
[QUOTE=Hawg219;6872047]This one pulled the angry boyfriend / brother trick on me. I completely fell for her act that she was just an ugly girl who was desperate to see someone. I should have taken the red flags when I figured out she had 5 convictions and was due in court for another felony.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f116cfa0-5720-4ecd-93bd-5a78c90d40ba[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, I think one of the reasons to go with SA is to avoid the felons. I do quite a bit of research before meeting a girl from SA. For SA prices, I expect to be with a girl who isn't overly dangerous! DUIs, not a problem. Violence or heroin arrests. May as well do STG. A girl in the process of being evicted? Well, she needs the money! Find out as much as you can about them and make smart decisions!
Beware! She is a thief!
[QUOTE=DrKing99;6878002]Beware! She is a thief![/QUOTE]Yep, a few years ago she came to my room and ran out with the cash.
Without makeup she is ugly.
She was arrested for possession of firearm.
[URL]https://websterparishjournal-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/websterparishjournal.com/2023/08/08/arrest-reports-193/?amp=1&_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D[/URL]#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17142191726258&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&share=https%3 A%2 F%[URL]2Fwebsterparishjournal.com[/URL]%2 F2023%2 F08%2 F08%2 Farrest-reports-193%2 F.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/nataliaadefilio?igsh=cG96YTkxdnAzdDE1[/URL]
Be warned of thief.
Started talking to her on Seeking and found lots of porn videos scattered on the internet.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fbab3ab4-ecfa-4d62-bbcd-6c9e973f553b[/URL]
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/model/kiimberlychiixxx[/URL]
[URL]https://spankbang.com/7dx1k/video/last[/URL]+one+I+have+of+her.
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph6080c4fda9abb[/URL]
[URL]https://th.spankbang.com/aak6g-lkbvb4/playlist/kiimberlychiixxx[/URL]
Does she live up to the hype of her video? What's your experience with her?
Babysitter scammer. Send me money. NO.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/946fd51a-bc86-4e94-a13c-297097336c92[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a497a224-611c-4a36-8eb6-cbcf9cbf2dba[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigBoss203;6878756]Started talking to her on Seeking and found lots of porn videos scattered on the internet.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/fbab3ab4-ecfa-4d62-bbcd-6c9e973f553b[/URL]
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/model/kiimberlychiixxx[/URL]
[URL]https://spankbang.com/7dx1k/video/last[/URL]+one+I+have+of+her.
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph6080c4fda9abb[/URL]
[URL]https://th.spankbang.com/aak6g-lkbvb4/playlist/kiimberlychiixxx[/URL]
Does she live up to the hype of her video? What's your experience with her?[/QUOTE]I saw her back in November. She had a fair ppm and definitely performed up to expectations. I would recommend if you're cool with a more escort like experience.