"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080]OK, kind of interested in learning from others how they negotiate an allowance or PPM amount with babies (POTs)? Perhaps my style could use some upgrades?

When do you negotiate sugar? Email / text or during the M&G?

Do you bring up the subject or wait on her to do it?

How do you bring up the subject?

Thanks in advance gents![/QUOTE]You will of course get lots of different viewpoints on this, but my approach seems to be fairly unusual so I thought I would share. I NEVER bring up price talk. When they bring it up, I try to deflect, at least until the first meet. Of course, a lot of girls won't meet without a price discussion. When it is clear that is the case, I will throw out my number.

Once at the M&G, I focus on the game and try to get them to the hotel. I always schedule the M&G at a time when I can go to the FC and try to get them there on first meet. I again avoid price talk if possible. I make generalized references to helping them out, etc. , but no numbers and definitely no menu discussions. You would be amazed at how many girls will go with you to the hotel and fuck your brains out without a deal on price. I have had dozens of girls where I just stuffed cash into their purse afterwards with no deal in advance. Most (not all) of them were satisfied with the contribution and the experience and were willing to meet again. Some of them have seller's remorse afterward because they thought they would get more, but by that time I have drained my load and can look for the next one. The great thing about fucking is that they can't take the merchandise back.

Similarly, along with he "no menu discussion" I never bring up condoms (but always bring them). I just proceed on the assumption everything is bare and it is up to them to cross their legs if they object. This method achieves a high percentage of raw dog penetration and I think a higher percentage than if I asked in advance.

This method requires more of a time investment because you are looking for someone who is pretty rare on SA. My success rate of getting them to the M&G is very low. But my success rate of getting from there to them providing a great GFE is very high. I believe this method weeds out the pros and helps me achieve the best quality experience. Most of these girls, and almost all of the gems, don't want to think of themselves as pros. Help them maintain that self-image, and you will be rewarded with great sex at a reasonable price.

First message is asking for number and ready to meet asap! But. Venmo first!

Pics show up on google of someone not in Richmond.

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[QUOTE=EasyeOne;5444501]First message is asking for number and ready to meet asap! But. Venmo first!

Pics show up on google of someone not in Richmond.

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[URL]https://www.instagram.com/mikaadenise/[/URL][/QUOTE]I knew she asked for my number way too quickly. She hasn't asked for Venmo yet but she's way too eager.

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5435546]So I finally got a burner phone using the straight talk network and I bought a card all with cash. However, buying minutes expire after 30 days. Are there any minutes that do not expire. I don't hobby often so I hate to think I will need to buy minute cards just to call an AMP to make an appointment. I used it a lot for the sugar bowl but I do that even less frequently. Also I only use SA for about 30 days at a time and I don't want to miss any text that some SB may be trying to text me.[/QUOTE]I obtained a fairly new but used smartphone then got the TracFone sim kit to put in it. At the time I bought the sim kit it came with triple minutes and service period meaning, when you buy a TracFone service card for $20 (cash) for 60 minutes, when you activate the phone, then it becomes 180 minutes for 3 months instead of 30 days. It also does a similiar x3 to text and data quantities on the 60 min card (or other of their cards). You can also buy 1 GB data cards for $10 to add concurrent to the service.

If you don't use all the minutes, texts, or data during the 3 months it will roll over when you add another card with minutes. There is some leeway after the 3 months that if you don't add minutes by the expiration date you won't loose the balance of minutes, texts, and data. This has worked out well for me. If you are connected to wifi with the smart phone then you can turn off the mobile data to conserve the data balance on your phone. I have never completely used up my minutes, texts, or data allowances and the balances continued to grow as I kept adding minutes every 90 days.

I also paid some extra money to the one vanilla card that after I paid for a SA membership I used the remaining balance to buy additional minutes or data on the TracFone website. You don't need to create an account on Tracafone to do that either.

[QUOTE=Luckystonewood;5445197]I obtained a fairly new but used smartphone then got the TracFone sim kit to put in it. At the time I bought the sim kit it came with triple minutes and service period meaning, when you buy a TracFone service card for $20 (cash) for 60 minutes, when you activate the phone, then it becomes 180 minutes for 3 months instead of 30 days. It also does a similiar x3 to text and data quantities on the 60 min card (or other of their cards). You can also buy 1 GB data cards for $10 to add concurrent to the service.

If you don't use all the minutes, texts, or data during the 3 months it will roll over when you add another card with minutes. There is some leeway after the 3 months that if you don't add minutes by the expiration date you won't loose the balance of minutes, texts, and data. This has worked out well for me. If you are connected to wifi with the smart phone then you can turn off the mobile data to conserve the data balance on your phone. I have never completely used up my minutes, texts, or data allowances and the balances continued to grow as I kept adding minutes every 90 days.

I also paid some extra money to the one vanilla card that after I paid for a SA membership I used the remaining balance to buy additional minutes or data on the TracFone website. You don't need to create an account on Tracafone to do that either.[/QUOTE]So what's wrong with just using the Text Me APP where you have a different phone #? I know there is a good reason because it is free but I don't know what that is.

I endorse all DogBert has to say. My views exactly.

For those of you on here who say SBs are ****** no different than streetwalkers, I wonder. Do any of you have SOs yourselves? The longer I have been in the bowl, the more I have seen the relationship between what guys must do for the women they're sleeping with. In fact, if you wanted to price out the "PPM" for the sex I've had w / my SO, it would be astronomically expensive. LOL. I mean, she's living a suburban lifestyle in CA, driving foreign cars, going to restaurants, getting jewelry every holiday. None of which is paid for from her work or success. She's a 'lady of leisure' / hausfrau. If that intimate relationship gets such societal validation, IDK why arrangements should be considered so sordid. And SBs so slutty. You guys who say they are all * are doing that. I don't think most SBs see themselves that way. If you have a SO, does she want to be treated like she's a ****? Seriously? Anyway, if I have a relationship / interaction w / my SB that is like what I had when dating, before I got married, I think that is a win, and it isn't what I'd personally be able to do if I was seeing an escort, and I'd never ever be able to w / a streetwalker.

[QUOTE=Luckystonewood;5445197]I obtained a fairly new but used smartphone then got the TracFone sim kit to put in it. At the time I bought the sim kit it came with triple minutes and service period meaning, when you buy a TracFone service card for $20 (cash) for 60 minutes, when you activate the phone, then it becomes 180 minutes for 3 months instead of 30 days. It also does a similiar x3 to text and data quantities on the 60 min card (or other of their cards). You can also buy 1 GB data cards for $10 to add concurrent to the service.

If you don't use all the minutes, texts, or data during the 3 months it will roll over when you add another card with minutes. There is some leeway after the 3 months that if you don't add minutes by the expiration date you won't loose the balance of minutes, texts, and data. This has worked out well for me. If you are connected to wifi with the smart phone then you can turn off the mobile data to conserve the data balance on your phone. I have never completely used up my minutes, texts, or data allowances and the balances continued to grow as I kept adding minutes every 90 days.

I also paid some extra money to the one vanilla card that after I paid for a SA membership I used the remaining balance to buy additional minutes or data on the TracFone website. You don't need to create an account on Tracafone to do that either.[/QUOTE]I have posted before about how great TracFone is. Basically, $20 for each 3 months is good enough. IDK why everyone doesn't use it.

[QUOTE=BobbyRichmond;5445890]So what's wrong with just using the Text Me APP where you have a different phone #? I know there is a good reason because it is free but I don't know what that is.[/QUOTE]If you use TextMe or Google Voice, you still need a working smartphone. And it is highly discouraged to just load it on your own personal cell phone, if you have a SO or any concern whatsoever about your sugar life crossing into your real life.

I've met her (M&G only, no FC). She's a good bit heavier than her pics. And if she's 20, then I'm George Clooney. And yeah, my texts have blown up since. I'd leave this one alone if I were you.

[QUOTE=HotHot;5444265]Anyone met up with her before? We started talking but I wasn't able to get our schedules to work. Now she's been hitting me up every few days even though I haven't responded. I'm halfway tempted to meet up with her but she seems a little cray cray.

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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5446242]If you use TextMe or Google Voice, you still need a working smartphone. And it is highly discouraged to just load it on your own personal cell phone, if you have a SO or any concern whatsoever about your sugar life crossing into your real life.[/QUOTE]TextNow is also another free app. Costs money to lock in a number after inactivity, or for premium features, but otherwise, very easy to use.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5446242]If you use TextMe or Google Voice, you still need a working smartphone. And it is highly discouraged to just load it on your own personal cell phone, if you have a SO or any concern whatsoever about your sugar life crossing into your real life.[/QUOTE]I use it via Chrome on my phone in private mode. Just close the browser when I leave the office and safe till morning.

If you use it for calling, make sure you disable the forwarding calls to your real cell number so you don't get a call and at untimely hour.

Agree with FFA about Text Me. It can be a window you don't want your SO to see. I have used Text Me since day one. It's free, as long as you use it at least once every 30 days. First line free, additional lines cost. However, it is loaded with ads since it is free and sometimes the ads show up immediately after you send or receive a text and the ad hijacks your phone completely for 5 seconds. You have to let the ad finish before you can close it. That is my only complaint, so I turn off the media volume setting when I text. I don't want anyone hearing some random ad in the other room. IPad has the same text me app, and it does not hijack. Also, if you leave the app open and a girl texts you, your phone will notify you and it shows up on your home screen. So don't put it down at home when the app is open. My suggestion is to logout of the app, then completely uninstall the app from your phone at the end of the day. You won't lose any texts. I go a step further and delete my history of downloaded apps in AppStore. When you are ready to contact again, just download the app again, log in, see your new messages, and do your thing. Other nuances. If you don't contact a girl for 60 days, it will flush your text thread. Keep a written list of numbers hidden or just keep in touch. I've had girls reach out six months afterward and the app won't recognize the name so it's good to have a list to match the number up to. Also, if someone sends you a pic, it will attach itself to your photo gallery so be sure to delete it for photo gallery. It sounds like a lot of work but the app is easy, quick, and flies under the radar.

[QUOTE=RokurWorld;5446620]TextNow is also another free app. Costs money to lock in a number after inactivity, or for premium features, but otherwise, very easy to use.[/QUOTE]

Just wanted to say THANKS for all of the replies and view points! Good stuff all around! I am making some adjustments based on all of the great advice. THANK YOU!

Funny side note, as I was reading the advice posts, was in a text convo with a girl. Somehow she got offended and went to the "I'm not a prostitute" place! LOL! So I just inserted the advice / line given here and she's still on the line! LOL!

This place and youse guys are Golden!

The answers to your questions are mostly golden tactics, depending on your objective. If you're looking for a long-term arrangement, spend more time up front and make sure she's truly on the same page. If you're looking for a couple of trysts and then move on, you're more interested in the PPM game where you offer something reasonable for her time for a few hours. I shoot for single mothers 25-40 who have been neglected and want the attention as much as the cash. If the conversation is good and her situation allows for overnights or extended visits, especially if she can host, I'm going to shoot for long-term. If the best she can offer is a few hours, it will be PPM while my search continues.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5448273]Just wanted to say THANKS for all of the replies and view points! Good stuff all around! I am making some adjustments based on all of the great advice. THANK YOU!

Funny side note, as I was reading the advice posts, was in a text convo with a girl. Somehow she got offended and went to the "I'm not a prostitute" place! LOL! So I just inserted the advice / line given here and she's still on the line! LOL!

This place and youse guys are Golden![/QUOTE]

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Little bit of a gem if you like them on the thicc side. Recently single and looking for a good time. Was on my way to her place, buried in her within minutes of meeting. Apartment does reek of cats. Went home with a perfume smell that was hard to get off.

Credit to Hungre1234 for post above.



Agree with everything, yet I would say she is more small BBW than thick but it's your call. Had a nice 2 hour out call with her recently. $250. She is free during week days and week nights. Unapologetic, pretty girl, nice brown eyes, confident and dtf. GFE. All holes. Takes all directions well. Squirter. She can host, too. Damages are not bad, and she is only going to be here until Fall. Bareback, passionate, nice kisser, CIP and CIMWS on the table. Treat her fair, and she will open up.