"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Some of you just like to jump through extra hoops.

But at the end of the day we're paying them for sex.

[QUOTE=Bran001;5425949]This is excellent advice.

Remember, there are many varieties of girls on SA. Some true SB's and some escorts just using it to advertise. YOU have to know what you're looking for, and what it takes to succeed.

With a true SB (often a student or young professional looking for some help with rent etc. And looking to do something edgy), you have to have an approach that works for them. VS with an escort where all you need is funds and to show up.

I never use SA to hook up with escort types. The true SB types I described above. You need some patience for and probably need to meet them for a platonic date first. Not right to a hotel room, their place, or yours. I insist on that; it clears the path of the escorts. But the investment can pay off as you can get a young student that you'd NEVER get otherwise.[/QUOTE]We have to agree to disagree on the escorts thing. While I have no problem allowing them to maintain the fantasy that they aren't hookers, I never forget that the relationship is transactional and not a natural occurrence associated with traditional courtship. I believe it's dangerous to lose sight of that fact.

Anyway, the best SB I ever had was when we kept chatting for a few days via text and decided to meet at her place. That lasted about a year, and it was some phenomenal pussy. After that, I moved away, but my point is, you don't always have to take the low-volume ones to dinner first.

I have been a member of SA for several years. I mostly am not a member, but will periodically buy a membership when there is a sale. Recently, I noticed that most of my old messages have disappeared. I understand that as they disappear when a certain period of time has lapsed. But also, my favorites have almost all disappeared except for some more recent ones. I was never aware of this, and since some of the favorites go back a few years, if a time period made them disappear, this should have happened long before now. Is anyone aware of this, and has this also happened to you. Or was I just nicely chosen by SA since I only have a membership infrequently? This is very frustrating as now even if I rejoin, I would have to try and find these ladies that I remember by picture, but not name or actual location.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5426005]Some of you just like to jump through extra hoops.

But at the end of the day we're paying them for sex.[/QUOTE]This is 100% correct. No matter how you dress it up in your mind, a "true sugar baby" is different from a $20 streetwalker in style and profit margin only.

[QUOTE=Tidad;5426445]This is 100% correct. No matter how you dress it up in your mind, a "true sugar baby" is different from a $20 streetwalker in style and profit margin only.[/QUOTE]Yes, in the end we're paying them for sex. That much I agree with. But there are all kinds of girls on SA and some of them are very different from a $20 streetwalker. It is not just a matter of style. A lot of them haven't thought this through and don't really know why they are on there. For some of them, I think the money is only an excuse to try something different and let their wild side out. I think some of the young ones really want to be submissive, but are conflicted about that after consuming a lifetime of feminist propaganda telling them they need to strong, assertive and in charge. Getting paid gives them an excuse to let go of that crap and submit, and some of them enjoy that a lot. I am happy to help them find happiness by tying them up, blindfolding them. Slapping them around and banging the s* out of them. Because I am such a giving person.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;5426639]I am happy to help them find happiness by tying them up, blindfolding them. Slapping them around and banging the s* out of them. Because I am such a giving person.[/QUOTE]Bless you, my child. YOu are doing the Lord's work and should be sainted!

[QUOTE=DogBert77;5426639]Yes, in the end we're paying them for sex. That much I agree with. But there are all kinds of girls on SA and some of them are very different from a $20 streetwalker. It is not just a matter of style. A lot of them haven't thought this through and don't really know why they are on there. For some of them, I think the money is only an excuse to try something different and let their wild side out. I think some of the young ones really want to be submissive, but are conflicted about that after consuming a lifetime of feminist propaganda telling them they need to strong, assertive and in charge. Getting paid gives them an excuse to let go of that crap and submit, and some of them enjoy that a lot. I am happy to help them find happiness by tying them up, blindfolding them. Slapping them around and banging the s* out of them. Because I am such a giving person.[/QUOTE]Nothing you said doesn't make them ******. I've had many 18 yo first timers that have shown up at my hotel still unsure of themselves. When we are done, they're ******. Not $20 streetwalkers or high end professional escorts, but still ******.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;5426639]Yes, in the end we're paying them for sex. That much I agree with. But there are all kinds of girls on SA and some of them are very different from a $20 streetwalker. It is not just a matter of style. A lot of them haven't thought this through and don't really know why they are on there. For some of them, I think the money is only an excuse to try something different and let their wild side out. I think some of the young ones really want to be submissive, but are conflicted about that after consuming a lifetime of feminist propaganda telling them they need to strong, assertive and in charge. Getting paid gives them an excuse to let go of that crap and submit, and some of them enjoy that a lot. I am happy to help them find happiness by tying them up, blindfolding them. Slapping them around and banging the s* out of them. Because I am such a giving person.[/QUOTE]Everybody does have their own opinion but dude really? You think they just getting their wild side out and cash is secondary? They are in this for money. Tell you what stop giving it to them and see what happens. They could give a rats ass about wild side most could go to bar or anywhere for that matter and pickup somebody. Seems like they got you fooled. All of them are seeking sex for money so prostitute or escort or streetwalker or *****. Sugar baby is just another word for those. Be safe keep your head on straight.

As long as there money involved they are escorts. As we all know all the girls on SA aren't the same. SBs come in all types from the newbie who only wants 1 SD too the pro who meetups up with 2-3 SDs a day. I think the main reason most of us are on SA is because we don't want the high miles pros that are strictly business. We want a GFE or in KevinCalormis / my case fresh 18-21 years old girls. Every body is looking for different experience so they'll end up with different types of SBs. If you want to treat them like ****** for 1 hr, that's your business. If you want to wine and dine them, and take your time before you FC that your business. As long as you enjoy your experience, and the SBs cool with it who cares what the next guy is doing. Just have fun, and enjoy our self's guys.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5426898]Nothing you said doesn't make them ******. I've had many 18 yo first timers that have shown up at my hotel still unsure of themselves. When we are done, they're ******. Not $20 streetwalkers or high end professional escorts, but still ******.[/QUOTE]

So I had let my SA account go stale. Had been working on a rotation that eventually dwindled down. So I log on yesterday and up pops an offer for 33% off the membership! BAM! Raced out today and bought a One Vanilla Visa Card. Came home and after some snafus eventually got re-upped!

A few notes:

1. While I saw a YT video on how to register the card and especially input a zip code, those options didn't appear for me.

2. Could not register through TOR browser this time. Had to default to a single VPN browser in order to get the payment to "stick!

3. While trying various browsers I noted that there was a banner on the SA page offering a 25% discount.

Anyway, I sent out 5 emails earlier this evening before attending to some other things and now I see that I have 4 replies! Maybe the guys have been scared off due to low response rates and the girls are hungry? Maybe I just got lucky?

Oh and FFA had posted a picture of the One Vanilla Card (thanks was helpful! I looked and looked and looked for it and eventually found it! There is a picture of the card on an outer security sleeve. So I have attached a pic of the actual card and the "sleeve" it comes in, so perhaps that might help others find it?

So there is no "discount code" just an embedded offer.

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5427103]Everybody does have their own opinion but dude really? You think they just getting their wild side out and cash is secondary? They are in this for money. Tell you what stop giving it to them and see what happens. They could give a rats ass about wild side most could go to bar or anywhere for that matter and pickup somebody. Seems like they got you fooled. All of them are seeking sex for money so prostitute or escort or streetwalker or *****. Sugar baby is just another word for those. Be safe keep your head on straight.[/QUOTE]Yeah I completely agree. Don't ever forget the dynamic of the relationship you have with these women. Some of the girls on the site may like to dress it up as if their different from escorts and others, but it is one in the same do not get it twisted. They know what every guy on there wants and their willing to receive what you have to offer to provide it to you. Once you forget that, you're very easy to take advantage of and tip the balance to their side.

[QUOTE=Passport4;5426303]I have been a member of SA for several years. I mostly am not a member, but will periodically buy a membership when there is a sale. my favorites have almost all disappeared except for some more recent ones. I was never aware of this, and since some of the favorites go back a few years, if a time period made them disappear, this should have happened long before now. Is anyone aware of this, and has this also happened to you. Or was I just nicely chosen by SA since I only have a membership infrequently?[/QUOTE]I buy a month or two then delete my account when that runs out because I'll have found a girl to be my SB for the next year or so, then when that falls apart, I sign up and do it all again. But I keep a second account (unpaid) to log in periodically to make sure my SB has stopped using the site (so far, they always have) and also to favorite new profiles I like so I can find them the next time I'm in the market. I just checked my favorites after I saw your post and I can't see where any of mine are missing.

It doesn't show ones who haven't logged in in over a year, but I think it's been that way for a while. It's the same when you do a search, only profiles active in the past year are shown. I'm not sure if they're deleting them or just making them invisible until they log in again.

[QUOTE=GoinDonkey;5427775]I buy a month or two then delete my account when that runs out because I'll have found a girl to be my SB for the next year or so, then when that falls apart, I sign up and do it all again. But I keep a second account (unpaid) to log in periodically to make sure my SB has stopped using the site (so far, they always have) and also to favorite new profiles I like so I can find them the next time I'm in the market. I just checked my favorites after I saw your post and I can't see where any of mine are missing.

It doesn't show ones who haven't logged in in over a year, but I think it's been that way for a while. It's the same when you do a search, only profiles active in the past year are shown. I'm not sure if they're deleting them or just making them invisible until they log in again.[/QUOTE]This would make sense, but I know for a fact that one of my favorites had logged in about a month ago as she showed up as recently logged in. But that was also before all of the favorites disappeared. So I am not sure that is a correct theory.

[QUOTE=Passport4;5428208]This would make sense, but I know for a fact that one of my favorites had logged in about a month ago as she showed up as recently logged in. But that was also before all of the favorites disappeared. So I am not sure that is a correct theory.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I stand corrected. I usually leave the search on Sort By Newest, but this morning I changed it to Sort By Recently Active, and in the first couple of pages of results I did see some girls I know had been on my Favorites, and they weren't favorited anymore. No pattern that I could see to which ones it lost and which it didn't.

A couple of weeks ago I had a problem for a few days where I couldn't add anyone new to Favorites, or un-favorite anyone. The heart icon just did nothing. Maybe something related to them fixing that issue is what messed this up.

Well I just finished my month of SA and I only signed up because there was a discount of $25 dollars. I should have kept my money. Below are my issues.

- Women aren't even opening up my emails. So low open rate.

- womoen who do open up aren't opening them until 3 weeks after I send it out. I only have a 30 month subscription so the math doesn't work out.

- The few that I do get to reply half are scammers.

- The remainder go silent for some reason.

- I met the only women I connected with today and man what a catfish. She was bigger and came dressed like a homeless person. I was embarrassed to be seen with her.

Damn waste of time.