Non Pro's

Allow me to clarify because I have re-read what I wrote and understand it came out wrong. What I meant is that when I see a tna woman in SA then I approach her as a regular woman. If she comes out with per hour and escort attitude then I stop communication and don't meet her. I only meet those that have regular woman attitude and agree to per meet (half day / overnight) allowance. That's what I meant by "I have never seen..... ".

[QUOTE=DelToro;5715630]Hard to generalize.

I am sure some pros find SA refreshing and they act more like regular non pros, but I have definitely met pros on SA with pro attitudes, starting by quoting allowances by the hour and asking to come straight to the hotel.

I do not doubt with some pros you get a better deal on SA than on TNA but I usually just do not pursue pros on SA, as soon as I figure they are pros I just stop engaging.

I do not have anything against pros, I had fucked hundreds of them, when I was younger I was way busier and just wanted to fuck and leave, now I appreciate more the foreplay, etc that true SBs like[/QUOTE]

I agree that attitude is everything. I only meet tna women in SA if they genuinly have a non escort attitude in SA. I've been lucky enough to have met various fantastic tna women via SA and I certainly got a no don't all bare experience that I wouldn't have gotten if I had approached them via tna. And as I mentioned half day / overnight for what it would have been 1 tna hour cost.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5715509]For me, I just don't have an interest in escorts posing as SBs. I'm happy that they work and make guys happy, but one of the things that turns me on about SBs and turns me off about escorts is the attitude / enthusiasm. There is simply a different vibe between the two. Escorts have fucked hundreds, if not thousands of dicks; younger SBs have had maybe a dozen, older ones a few dozen. With a few exceptions, escorts seem to have a "been there / done that" attitude and even the ones that act enthusiastic, you can tell that they really aren't into it, they just want the hour to end. With the exception of some of the younger SBs, many are like girlfriends and seem to enjoy the whole experience.

As an example, I recently saw a popular escort on the other site. Her ass was simply scrumptious and though I very rarely do it, I did a little DATO. There was zero reaction (I actually think I got a "I'm bored" sigh). That's the first time that it has ever happened to me. Generally, the women love it or they stop me from doing it because they don't like it. This one was like, he's paying me for the hour, it's my job to sit here, let him lick my asshole and say nothing. That is the difference between an escort and a SB. I want someone that will at least pretend like they are having the best time of their life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BackDoordRiver;5715570]Any non pros that offer CIA?[/QUOTE]I've met a few but they are usually low key types who wouldn't appreciate a "BBFS cip cia?" text to clarify before meeting.

A lot of times if you get a girl drunk she'll be more open to that sort of stuff.

[QUOTE=BackDoordRiver;5715570]Any non pros that offer CIA?[/QUOTE]This is where I diverge from others on this site on how SA should be used. With semi-pros (if they fuck for money they are pros), you need to act like they are girlfriends or potential girlfriends. Would you ask someone you just met in a bar or a dating site if they will let you CIA? Seriously, if you want to be successful at this you need to have much more game than that and be much more patient. I'm not into the butt sex, but I've encountered a few semi-pros that actually enjoy it, but if that is your only goal then you should just find a hooker that does it and pay her.

Again, Hooker: Tell them what you want. Get a price and for what you want. Pay them and do it.

Semi-Pro / Non-Pro: Get a price (or not) for them to fuck you, be nice to them and see what they're open to.

As Mr. PND said below, I've met SB that like the ass fucking, but for the life of me I'd NEVER consider for a second asking them before meeting if they do that. Everyone that I met would immediately block me just for asking.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5716081]This is where I diverge from others on this site on how SA should be used. With semi-pros (if they fuck for money they are pros), you need to act like they are girlfriends or potential girlfriends. Would you ask someone you just met in a bar or a dating site if they will let you CIA? Seriously, if you want to be successful at this you need to have much more game than that and be much more patient. I'm not into the butt sex, but I've encountered a few semi-pros that actually enjoy it, but if that is your only goal then you should just find a hooker that does it and pay her.

Again, Hooker: Tell them what you want. Get a price and for what you want. Pay them and do it.

Semi-Pro / Non-Pro: Get a price (or not) for them to fuck you, be nice to them and see what they're open to.

As Mr. PND said below, I've met SB that like the ass fucking, but for the life of me I'd NEVER consider for a second asking them before meeting if they do that. Everyone that I met would immediately block me just for asking.[/QUOTE]I mean, I obviously wouldn't outright ask. That's just stupid. The reason I asked on here is because it would help me narrow down my search. If I knew a semi pro already liked it, then I could spend less time with ones that didn't.

Anyone seen her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/de7b5569-1ca2-4583-83e4-c98ddf7b7e99[/URL]

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5716081]
I've met SB that like the ass fucking, but for the life of me I'd NEVER consider for a second asking them before meeting if they do that. Everyone that I met would immediately block me just for asking.[/QUOTE]I like ass fucking for many years I was the reference on the subject at TNA with my Greek diaries.

I agree that you can not directly and crudely ask. You need to set up the conditions where asking that is part of the flow

To start with, my SA profile mentions that I like non vanilla sex, and that I am fine if they are currently vanilla but want to experiment. Many do not reply to my messages but the ones that do are usually adventorous women.

Then during early chats I try to engage on sexting, I always start with how wet I am going to get them while going down on them, as I progress with my description I imply I would go bare, once they are all hot and bother I ask if the like anal. 10-15% would say they like it. Another 10% would say they have tried it but really did not like it that much but might be willing to try. Another 10% have not tried and might be willing to try. The rest just say no.

Obviously the YMMV factor at SA is way bigger than in TNA. Semi-pros do not "offer" anal, they might do it if they are excited enough and if they trust and like you enough

Sexting is a good way to measure. With the filthiest SB I had, she demanded condoms on first meeting and had never tried anal but by the sexting we engaged in, I knew there was potential, by the third meeting we were doing bare ATM and ATP non stop. She wanted to get serious as I could not follow up, she ended up getting a boyfriend and she introduced him to the wonders of anal sex, lucky bastard.

[QUOTE=BackDoordRiver;5716286]Anyone seen her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/de7b5569-1ca2-4583-83e4-c98ddf7b7e99[/URL][/QUOTE]I've chatted with her on SA, but never got to texting or talking. No red flags just found two other SBs that I've been seeing instead.

[QUOTE=Penitrator;5717003]I've chatted with her on SA, but never got to texting or talking. No red flags just found two other SBs that I've been seeing instead.[/QUOTE]Looks like a him.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5717117]Looks like a him.[/QUOTE]Yeah, kind of thought that could be the case too with the number of transgender "women" on SA. I don't want to worry about those type of surprises coming out during an arrangement meeting, LOL.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5717117]Looks like a him.[/QUOTE]She is definitely a woman. I saw her once at her place, tiny rundown studio. She is really into art and weed. Hung out for awhile and chatted while she smoked the joint I brought her then got her naked, had her suck my cock and then bent her over her couch and fucked her. Haven't been back, but I would if I didn't have some other SB's that I like better.

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5718039]She is definitely a woman. I saw her once at her place, tiny rundown studio. She is really into art and weed. Hung out for awhile and chatted while she smoked the joint I brought her then got her naked, had her suck my cock and then bent her over her couch and fucked her. Haven't been back, but I would if I didn't have some other SB's that I like better.[/QUOTE]Good for you Bronco. I would like to fuck her too. In a few of the pics. She does look pretty interesting. Does she shave her pussy or does she have some hair down there. Thanks for sharing dude.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5718182]Good for you Bronco. I would like to fuck her too. In a few of the pics. She does look pretty interesting. Does she shave her pussy or does she have some hair down there. Thanks for sharing dude.[/QUOTE]She has a little tuft of hair but is shaved where it counts.

[QUOTE=DelToro;5713819]She is a scam.

She would tell you to pick her up at a public place so that you could go together to her place, but you need to give her the arrangement at the public place, yeah right.

I off course passed.[/QUOTE]Sounds like her routine has changed a bit. She at least wolfed down dinner first on my dime before she did a grab and dash in the hotel room. I reported her months ago / keeps starting new profiles again and again.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6f4f9536-a44f-4374-b237-98c3cd0b2fe6[/URL]

She was inactive for a while.

Anyone been in contact with her?

Any intel you could share?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3b5369bf-f8cc-42b4-a3b6-1241eaeac7d4[/URL]

Nice girl, very nice body, 400, bare with recent test.

[QUOTE=DelToro;5716402]I like ass fucking for many years I was the reference on the subject at TNA with my Greek diaries.

I agree that you can not directly and crudely ask. You need to set up the conditions where asking that is part of the flow

[/QUOTE]I've found that the wish list section gives me a pretty good insight as to what the SB would be interested as well.

Asking for bondage equipment = usually a sub that likes to get tied up, etc.

Asking for a butt plug = usually can convince them to take it up the ass.

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5719959][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3b5369bf-f8cc-42b4-a3b6-1241eaeac7d4[/URL]

Nice girl, very nice body, 400, bare with recent test.[/QUOTE]Ouch. I missed this one then. A few months ago me and her got into a few text exchanges and started hitting it off. I finally let go as I felt I was not being able to close on a rate. Shoot should have tried harder as I find her look really appealing and would loved to CIP deep inside her.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5720244]Ouch. I missed this one then. A few months ago me and her got into a few text exchanges and started hitting it off. I finally let go as I felt I was not being able to close on a rate. Shoot should have tried harder as I find her look really appealing and would loved to CIP deep inside her.[/QUOTE]As did I when she quoted me $600.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/40462f94-6783-42f6-9f47-da81d69ff30b[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6325e6df-656f-4c4e-9640-5d5a2a781252[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/29001679-ce69-41e3-9e36-844b5845dbef[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db655bbb-0499-4a13-a84c-003eff57b5d1[/URL]

Good times, good ppms, good luck. YMMV.

Definitely put 15 pounds on compared to her pics and all in her butt. LOL.

One and done for me, reasonable PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/20867ae0-a7c0-41c7-b6b5-67e8364e7bcb[/URL]

[QUOTE=CoffeeTurd;5722792][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/40462f94-6783-42f6-9f47-da81d69ff30b[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6325e6df-656f-4c4e-9640-5d5a2a781252[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/29001679-ce69-41e3-9e36-844b5845dbef[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/db655bbb-0499-4a13-a84c-003eff57b5d1[/URL]

Good times, good ppms, good luck. YMMV.[/QUOTE]May I know how much is a good ppm?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/31128510-7963-4668-840c-f171cb8b0014[/URL]

$600 with condom if anybody is interested.

Had this one hit me up on secret benefits, seemed eager to meet but wants 900-1000 ppm, dropped the conversation there so I don't know what's on the menu.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profilev3/9a5875515ce0ad97[/URL]

[QUOTE=Battousai;5719975]I've found that the wish list section gives me a pretty good insight as to what the SB would be interested as well.

[/QUOTE]It's to the point that when I see a girl that I am interested in, I would look at her wish list. If it is nothing but purses, perfumes and shoes, then that is strike 1 and possibly 2 against her. Not ruling those girls out, but generally indication that she will be expensive and it may not be a good time.

[QUOTE=XyzzyS2;5597104]Wants 500 for 15 minutes.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0bef6967-b357-4b23-b9a8-012bdb50cb47[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5597305]She had asked me for 500 - but that was for a 2 hr visit. This of course is long ago. I ended up not seeing her. She is not BBFS friendly and her face looks really scary.[/QUOTE]Not sure if anyone has noticed her new profile pic. She looks really really scary at this point.

[URL]https://images.seeking.com/prod/photos/f66a0656-cc42-4fd1-95e0-941df215b0de_2x.jpg[/URL]

Not sure what happened but I can get in now without the email verification, of course all my messages and favorites are gone.

[QUOTE=BrstMan;5729740]Not sure what happened but I can get in now without the email verification, of course all my messages and favorites are gone.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I noticed that as well. I guess somebody bitched and they caved. Good. I didn't mind the Captcha thing so much, but the email is a pain.

I don't know what went on with your account, but my favorites and messages are all still there, with the exception of the 180 day limit on favorites.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c8774f2d-182d-4393-8485-8a29c8f9d3c1[/URL]

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profilev3/cab419b62070984d[/URL]

[QUOTE=BrstMan;5729740]Not sure what happened but I can get in now without the email verification, of course all my messages and favorites are gone.[/QUOTE]I was always able to get in, but all my history. PMs, favorites, views. All of that history has been deleted. Never been banned or anything. I just find it odd that all my history disappeared (I know PMs older than 90 days do, that is well documented). I am referring to favorites and other history. It is what it is, and I do not really care. It was time to dump my profile and create a new persona anyway. Something I do at regular intervals.

[QUOTE=XyzzyS2;5730185][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c8774f2d-182d-4393-8485-8a29c8f9d3c1[/URL][/QUOTE]She quoted me $500 ppm up to 4 hours. I'm too far away or I would take her up on the offer.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/659ada69-d930-491a-9d55-9c2728b91804[/URL]

Wants 600 per meet.

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5733788][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/659ada69-d930-491a-9d55-9c2728b91804[/URL]

Wants 600 per meet.[/QUOTE]That's REALLY funny. I usually do a search and then simply favorite everyone that shows up in the results. From there, I see who bites (by contacting me). As I favorited everyone in the results, I saw her photo and skipped over her, she's just ugly.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5734035]That's REALLY funny. I usually do a search and then simply favorite everyone that shows up in the results. From there, I see who bites (by contacting me). As I favorited everyone in the results, I saw her photo and skipped over her, she's just ugly.[/QUOTE]The only reason I even had a conversation with her is because she's not very good looking and I figured I might be able to set up a quick cheap pump and dump.

[QUOTE=Bronco62;5734245]The only reason I even had a conversation with her is because she's not very good looking and I figured I might be able to set up a quick cheap pump and dump.[/QUOTE]Sure Bronco, sure.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;5636096]Fun big boobed, Latin mama, always done to run and jump in my bed, when, I call. Good back up for when other plans fail.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6aa5d0a0-c1c6-4486-9ef5-12db962b4497[/URL][/QUOTE]PM her number I'm interested I live right up the street in Burien and would love a local hookup.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5734035]That's REALLY funny. I usually do a search and then simply favorite everyone that shows up in the results. From there, I see who bites (by contacting me). As I favorited everyone in the results, I saw her photo and skipped over her, she's just ugly.[/QUOTE]Interesting, I guess you just favorite them directly from the results list, meaning without clicking into their profile first.

If so, it seems some "girls" follow the same strategy as sometimes I get to be "favorited" without my profile being viewed. 70% of the time they are scam "girls". The remaining are legit girls but so far I have not hooked up with any, because they lose interest once they read my profile and realized I want to fuck their brains out.

When that happened, I get favorited without my profile being viewed if "her" profile is new, I don't bite right away. I wait as they are usually scam profiles that would be eventually erased. If they stay around after a couple of weeks then I might engage.

[QUOTE=DelToro;5734791]Interesting, I guess you just favorite them directly from the results list, meaning without clicking into their profile first.

If so, it seems some "girls" follow the same strategy as sometimes I get to be "favorited" without my profile being viewed. 70% of the time they are scam "girls". The remaining are legit girls but so far I have not hooked up with any, because they lose interest once they read my profile and realized I want to fuck their brains out.

When that happened, I get favorited without my profile being viewed if "her" profile is new, I don't bite right away. I wait as they are usually scam profiles that would be eventually erased. If they stay around after a couple of weeks then I might engage.[/QUOTE]Yes. That is what I do, just run a search for my "criteria" then when the results come up, I briefly glance at the pictures and click like if they aren't ugly. There are some that "too busy" to pay attention to anyone that doesn't text them. I don't want those anyway, but many actually go through and view my profile. They then either like me or message me (or simply ignore me). Yes, I go through my likes and see who actually liked me AND actually looked at my profile and contact those. The other trick, which also works for people that haven't paid for a subscription is to give access to your private photos to people you're interested in whether they ask for them or not. That way, they get a message from you and will at least look at your profile.

[QUOTE=Jk206;5734762]PM her number I'm interested I live right up the street in Burien and would love a local hookup.[/QUOTE]No chance.