"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Whats a two layer vpn?

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;5354052]Really great advice especially in relation to current tech and resources.

But I would just caution you can have an anonymous burner phone with a two layer VPN attached to a fake I'd, but if you leave your burner phone in a jacket pocket, then all that subterfuge is completely useless and in some cases exasperates the situation further. This is why I try to reduce as many "foreign objects" as possible. The advantages of a burner phone is that you can really leave "no trace" with it from a records / digital standpoint whereas something like Google Voice is a like parasitic fungus relentlessly trying to find and integrate itself into your personal data until you can no longer separate it cleanly. But I classify a burner as a "foreign object" that will raise alarms on sight. Your SO wouldn't even need the pin to unlock the phone, it's very presence is like her finding a hairbrush with strands of long wavy red hair. There's no clean explanation for it. Same thing with Vanilla VISA cards. They're not as incriminating as a burner phone, but it's a foreign object.

So I think it's important to strike a balance between subterfuge to conceal a paper trail between leaving foreign objects around. Because 8 times out of 10, guys get busted for leaving the "tape in the VCR". This is also why I recommend using the technique of "hiding in plain sight" for some things. This gives you some margin of error and you can see ahead of time if someone is getting too close to the cookie jar. For example, if you're going to use Vanilla Visa cards, start using them in your everyday life with your SO. Find some excuse to use prepaid cards like for budgeting or identify theft reasons. This way if you leave your sugar prepaid card lying around, your SO won't bat an eye because she thinks it's the same one you use for DoorDash. So I think it's important to strike a balance in techniques and always err on the side of reducing foreign objects.

BTW, having a sugar baby in your car is always risky. Her scent, her leaving hair ties, and etc. Having a SB in your car is like a spore for foreign objects. But if you're going to do it, make sure no one goes into or uses your car for 24 hours if it can be helped. You should examine your car in full daylight and drive it some for foreign objects to be dislodged from hidden places and to have the windows down to help get rid of strong odors. So right after you drop of your SB, you should do a deep cleaning of your car, and then 12-18 hours later do another cleaning in bright conditions to make sure you got everything. But for God's sake don't let your SO in your car within just a few hours of driving your SB around town and having backseat sex.

[B]Scammers[/B]

Briefly about the college time waster from Germany. I hate to break it to you, but she's fake. Or at the very least not in San Diego. Those SA geolocation things are pretty accurate and they're for your benefit. But let's say her location says "United States" and yet something still feels off. I usually do something like this to see if she really does live in my area. I'll say some of the following:

"Wow, crazy weather we had yesterday, right?

*If she claims to live in downtown*.

"What do you think of *popular downtown restaurant*.

*After you ask her for her favorite foods*.

"What are some of the good places that serve that dish?

"Have you been to a San Diego 49 ers game before?

Of course a diligent person could lookup and research the answers for all of these. But 9 times out of 10, scammers are lazy. If they can't answer something, they'll just give a vague answer or deflect. One or two vague answers can be normal, but if the person you're chatting with consistently gives you vague, wrong, or non-answers to questions related to the local area or meeting up in person, then chances are high she doesn't actually live in the area.

I also like college girls that haven't become "pro-sugar babies" yet. They can sometimes require a little more massaging and patience but once it gets going the arrangement can feel more natural. That said, if a girl is actually serious about pursing an arrangement, they are usually eager to meet within a week of chatting. Sometimes schedule conflicts may push it by a couple of weeks. But if you've been chatting for over a week and there hasn't been any talk of meeting and person, then it's a waste of time. Most legit girls in a local area, want to meet right away. If they don't want to meet it's either because they don't live in the area, they want an online-only arrangement, they're not serious / ready for an arrangement, or they already have a sugar daddy and they're setting you as a backup.

My current sugar baby is a college girl who was completely new to arrangements and we met within 3 days of chatting. And we've been seeing each other for 6 months now. Remember if a girl is actually in college and if she's attractive, she's constantly meeting and hanging with people all the time. College girls aren't shy about meeting new people And she shouldn't be overly shy / reluctant to meet with you unless you're literally inviting her to your dungeon on the first date.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StayAnonymous;5372394]Whats a two layer vpn?[/QUOTE]It's a muliti-hop VPN.


[url=https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/multi-hop-vpn/]What is a multi-hop VPN and do you need one?[/url]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e147386c-5b29-4b8b-a342-274b6849e9f8[/URL] -- not her first rodeo. NOT slim, more athletic to average. Willig to host, has pole in her bedroom. Wants $700, BBFS, no back door action.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c9fa5150-22ae-4de8-acca-9a238d20cfa5[/URL] - insatiatble appetite, flexible work sked, happy with $300. All roads open and very kinky.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ffac82dc-0e41-4b77-a87a-d26de8e5bed9[/URL] -- good initial convo, seems to get it, but seems to busy to meet.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8c9a8e21-f4f9-44d0-bddb-1bbe330703c8[/URL] - would be worth the drive up 95. High sex drive, great convo very open to all kinds of situations.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e8304111-550e-46a3-9dbf-bb4f8fa0ebfb[/URL] - in OBX for the summer, looking for virtual / online till she returns.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;5372291]Yeah. About to write a 50 k check to settle with a babymama from 22 years ago. Not a SB but a bar hookup, paid for the clinic at the time and then she backed out. Snip it or sleeve it. I wasn't even smart enough to learn then, till about 6-7 years ago a SB told me she was late. Turned out to be a false alarm but I couldn't get it cut fast enough after that. Like he said, once it's fertilized she owns you and there is NOTHING you can do.[/QUOTE]Did you get identified bunt using [URL]Ancestry.com[/URL] or 32 & Me DNA testing? I know a ton of people that are finding relatives, including kids thy or a family member didn't know existed.

If you have deposited baby batter in anyone, do yourself a huge favor & don't take the risk of outing yourself. I heard from a cousin years ago that I knocked up a hot single Mom when I was 18 or 19. She asked me not to pop in her but I did anyway.

I was young and inexperienced & hitting her doggie back when goths didn't do doggie. In the 70's doggie was like anal today.

There was caution about having a SB in your car (when you have a SO). I recommend taking your car to a full-service car wash ASAP after you meet. They will remove a lot of evidence, they could add a fragrance that will cover the SBs perfume, and if the SO wants to know why the seat position changed or whatever, you have a built-in excuse. I also see female workers at my car wash (this is in CA), their presence in the car is also a good cover.

Multi-hop VPN. Great example is TOR, which is a browser that jumps around to 4 different servers at different places all over the world before emerging onto the open internet. That way, there is no way someone can trace you based on your IP address. Be aware, though, there are other ways people on the web try to identify you, such as the MAC address on your device, even the size of your browser window.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5375148]

Multi-hop VPN. Great example is TOR, which is a browser that jumps around to 4 different servers at different places all over the world before emerging onto the open internet. That way, there is no way someone can trace you based on your IP address. Be aware, though, there are other ways people on the web try to identify you, such as the MAC address on your device, even the size of your browser window.[/QUOTE]Not to get too detailed, but Tor is NOT a VPN. Not saying it doesn't provide some anonymity, but it's not the same thing as a VPN. The more you know and all that.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5371988]I have a long term stay in Europe coming up. Anyone know of a site like this with info on sugar scene in different Euro countries?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I've done it and it's been fun but to be honest in Europe check out an FKK club. It will blow your mind and much less expensive.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5375148]There was caution about having a SB in your car (when you have a SO). I recommend taking your car to a full-service car wash ASAP after you meet. They will remove a lot of evidence, they could add a fragrance that will cover the SBs perfume, and if the SO wants to know why the seat position changed or whatever, you have a built-in excuse. I also see female workers at my car wash (this is in CA), their presence in the car is also a good cover.[/QUOTE]The whole SB in the car thing is such a pain. I've occasionally had SB dalliances at the same time as I've had a civilian girlfriend and I learned early on (never the hard way, thankfully) that having someone in the car can really leave a lot of evidence. From drug paraphernalia to scrunchies to barrettes to lighters to different color / different length hair and more, it seems like SBs shed incriminating crap on purpose. Like FFA, I go completely CSI on my car after every encounter and look in every nook and cranny for anything, including hairs. It's amazing where those get into.

Perfume is another trouble spot. I drive home with the windows and sunroof open (and the heat on full blast if it's cold), and leave them open overnight in the garage to further air things out. A place that almost got me once except for a quick lie is the seat belt. SBs will spray their neck / chest area with perfume which rubs off onto the seat belt, and that shit lasts forever, days to a week if they've overdone it. The only thing I've found that helps at all besides time is rubbing the offending area of the seat belt with a bounce dryer sheet. It reduces the perfume smell and replaces it with a fabric softener smell, which is much less noticeable and incriminating.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5371988]I have a long term stay in Europe coming up. Anyone know of a site like this with info on sugar scene in different Euro countries?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]There's always this one: [URL]http://internationalsexguide.nl/[/URL].

Did some recon and wanted to share some intel with my friends.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1f492861-6fa5-4b2c-925f-72c66452043a[/URL]

Cute girl, really cute. Was cool to chat with via SA / text but wants $600 ppm. Her responses were a little dry / hit or miss so didn't feel like it was worth my time so moved on. *.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e3ec2e72-a3ae-40e2-baae-b753184c5836[/URL]

Another one that was pretty quick to move to text. This one wants 200 for m&g and then additional 400 for fun. Wasn't willing to budge so put her in the gps category and threw her back to the sea.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c7236c88-a693-427b-8e61-89f31aeaca6e[/URL]

I really wanted to like this one since I haven't been with an Asian in a little while. She is def not new to this and is expecting top dollar ($400+) so guard your wallets. Haha. I've moved on so hope someone else can enjoy.

Haven't been on AFF for years but I did find all (6- 10) of my first sb's on there back in the pre seeking days, lots of fun but I haven't been on AFF for years.

Maybe I'll take another look.

[QUOTE=WilliamsJJ703;5376946]Did some recon and wanted to share some intel with my friends.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1f492861-6fa5-4b2c-925f-72c66452043a[/URL]

Cute girl, really cute. Was cool to chat with via SA / text but wants $600 ppm. Her responses were a little dry / hit or miss so didn't feel like it was worth my time so moved on.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I got the same story from her. Plus she mentioned having TWO sugar dates on the same day a couple of weeks back, so take a number and wait to hear "Next".

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;5375520]The whole SB in the car thing is such a pain. I've occasionally had SB dalliances at the same time as I've had a civilian girlfriend and I learned early on (never the hard way, thankfully) that having someone in the car can really leave a lot of evidence. From drug paraphernalia to scrunchies to barrettes to lighters to different color / different length hair and more, it seems like SBs shed incriminating crap on purpose. Like FFA, I go completely CSI on my car after every encounter and look in every nook and cranny for anything, including hairs. It's amazing where those get into.

Perfume is another trouble spot. I drive home with the windows and sunroof open (and the heat on full blast if it's cold), and leave them open overnight in the garage to further air things out. A place that almost got me once except for a quick lie is the seat belt. SBs will spray their neck / chest area with perfume which rubs off onto the seat belt, and that shit lasts forever, days to a week if they've overdone it. The only thing I've found that helps at all besides time is rubbing the offending area of the seat belt with a bounce dryer sheet. It reduces the perfume smell and replaces it with a fabric softener smell, which is much less noticeable and incriminating.[/QUOTE]Another little tip is to keep hand sanitizer in your car. After an outing with your SB, rub hand sanitizer up and down your forearms and put some around your neck. In the age of covid, your SO won't bat an eye that you smell of hand sanitizer. And because hand sanitizer has such a strong medical odor, people tend to pull away once they get a whiff of it. So your SO likely won't be taking long deep sniffs of you.

She a load of BS. She sent me a pic of a home pregnancy test. I told her that I would take care of all expenses to remove the problem, but I need her to do the pee test before and after removal with me. She tells me a one excuse after another. Why she can't meetup. 1st she say I should trust her, and it's her body it has nothing to do with me. I told it has 18 years of child support for me. Then she said move farther away, and it would be a drive to see her. I told her I'm willing to meet any were with in 4 hrs drive. Then she say she business with work. I said you have at less half a day off we can meet any day your free. She say she move back with her ex and I can't come to her apt. I told her we never had any problems meeting at a hotel before. Then she say her Ex is controlling and requires her to share her location all the time. I told her that I can get a hotel close to a shopping Center and just leave her phone in the car for 15 mins while she meets up at hotel. She told me she will get back to me when she free.

This is the same girl who was in the middle of work and finals last month, but made time for me to creampie her. Now she only has work, but is too busy to meetup for 15 mins. 3 days now and no text now. Let's see what other reasons she finds to not do the pee test for me. Its been 3 days after her last msg. Let's see what other reasons she finds to avoid doing the pee test for me.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5379520]She a load of BS. She sent me a pic of a home pregnancy test. I told her that I would take care of all expenses to remove the problem, but I need her to do the pee test before and after removal with me. She tells me a one excuse after another. Why she can't meetup. 1st she say I should trust her, and it's her body it has nothing to do with me. I told it has 18 years of child support for me. Then she said move farther away, and it would be a drive to see her. I told her I'm willing to meet any were with in 4 hrs drive. Then she say she business with work. I said you have at less half a day off we can meet any day your free. She say she move back with her ex and I can't come to her apt. I told her we never had any problems meeting at a hotel before. Then she say her Ex is controlling and requires her to share her location all the time. I told her that I can get a hotel close to a shopping Center and just leave her phone in the car for 15 mins while she meets up at hotel. She told me she will get back to me when she free.

This is the same girl who was in the middle of work and finals last month, but made time for me to creampie her. Now she only has work, but is too busy to meetup for 15 mins. 3 days now and no text now. Let's see what other reasons she finds to not do the pee test for me. Its been 3 days after her last msg. Let's see what other reasons she finds to avoid doing the pee test for me.[/QUOTE]Same old, same old. Hoes don't lie a little bit or even most of the time. They literally lie non-stop, like every-single-word-out-of-their-mouth-lying! When will men learn? (Based on many posts I read on here: never.). Lobsid, good on you for having a good head on your shoulders and calling her out.