"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

She is a strange gal for sure -- but she is real and 19/20 yo -- she does like sex and I am fairly sure no drugs. She might be a little ADD. Or somewhere in that spectrum. She had a little chunkiness going on when I saw her last year -- perhaps she has lost weight. She only meets people she likes and wants to fuck. You did miss a good fuck -- clean and tight pussy.

[QUOTE=Mcc110;5356179]Met up with her a few months ago and just getting around to reporting. Very flakey through about messaging. Is real but something is just way off with her. Agreed to meet up but she was an hour late. When finally met she seemed very out of it, don't know if it was mental or drugs or what. Ironic because she specifically states "no drug use" in her profile. Anyway, she was ready to jump into it off the bat but after considering it and getting a feel about her I just didn't feel comfortable about it. Those are her pics but she was skinnier in person and I would say kind of disheveled when we met. Not saying don't go for it but definitely something to keep in mind.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f9239bec-67bd-438e-a7e5-c74e1fd7380e[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mcc110;5356179]Met up with her a few months ago and just getting around to reporting. Very flakey through about messaging. Is real but something is just way off with her. Agreed to meet up but she was an hour late. When finally met she seemed very out of it, don't know if it was mental or drugs or what. Ironic because she specifically states "no drug use" in her profile. Anyway, she was ready to jump into it off the bat but after considering it and getting a feel about her I just didn't feel comfortable about it. Those are her pics but she was skinnier in person and I would say kind of disheveled when we met. Not saying don't go for it but definitely something to keep in mind.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f9239bec-67bd-438e-a7e5-c74e1fd7380e[/URL][/QUOTE]I saw her last fall, she is a little unique andsupposedly went to Europe to school for a short time. She now wants $$$$ per meet. This is a quite a bit more than last time. Not sure the maturity level is there.

[QUOTE=Mcc110;5356179]Met up with her a few months ago and just getting around to reporting. Very flakey through about messaging. Is real but something is just way off with her. Agreed to meet up but she was an hour late. When finally met she seemed very out of it, don't know if it was mental or drugs or what. Ironic because she specifically states "no drug use" in her profile. Anyway, she was ready to jump into it off the bat but after considering it and getting a feel about her I just didn't feel comfortable about it. Those are her pics but she was skinnier in person and I would say kind of disheveled when we met. Not saying don't go for it but definitely something to keep in mind.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f9239bec-67bd-438e-a7e5-c74e1fd7380e[/URL][/QUOTE]If you're polite enough and can put up with her quirkiness she'll meet you right in the room first time. She knows the game. She's definitely on the spectrum and has some manish facial features and hands but the rest of her is pretty tight. I saw her a few months back, I read about her on the forum first so I politely took a shot and invited her to my room and she jumped on it. She accepted 200 but she did complain a little at first. She showed up in this baggy NYPD hoodie LOL and I thought between her face and what I thought was a rail thin body I'd messed up but then she dropped her clothes and man she's have a nice body. She's worth it at least once because like others said the kitty is good.

I just spent the last hour or so reading all my posts and others in the Sugar Daddy highlights and index thread. Many of those posts are from 6-10 years ago. Surprisingly a lot of the advice is still relevant today, but there are also some changes. Here are just a few of my random thoughts on the things that have changed and the things that have remained the same.

[B]Things that are the Same[/B]

- Surprisingly I would say we're still in the Golden Age of the Bowl. I thought the Golden Age would run for about 4-5 years in the early 2010's, but if anything arrangements have become more widespread and common place among college-aged girls. Yes there are a few more scams you got to dodge and the average allowance has probably gone up a bit. I don't dare offer a girl a 100 ppm anymore if she looks anything above a 6. Even back in the day it was a bit tough but sometimes you could nab a good-looking short-term SB for that amount. However nowadays at least in SoCal that amount is a complete non-starter 90% of the time. So there's been a little bit of inflation but the pool of girls is much larger now. So maybe 8-9 years ago I was able to get more girls at a lower allowance, but over the last 3 years I've definitely had hotter women because of the larger pool. A "cheap" allowance won't get you far anymore, but I've gotten a lot of mileage from "mid-range" allowances.

- It's still important to pace yourself and keep your stable a manageable size based off your given situation. So all the advice over the years about how to manage your sugar babies, all still super relevant today.

[B]Things that that have Changed[/B]

- It's gotten harder to do recon on a Pot. Before when I asked to exchange an email or a phone number with a SB, I could just plug that into Facebook and I would get her real name, location, friends, aditional photos, and see how crazy or normal she was. But now most 20-something girls don't use Facebook and FB disabled the email / phone lookup option for obvious privacy reasons. Some girls will share their Instagram, but that doesn't necessarily "unmask" them like the old Facebook page used to. Not everyone uses their real name with Instagram and there's no age or location data like FB. So it's definitely become harder for me to do research on a SB Pot. Once I actually start seeing a SB, it usually takes me several weeks to slowly figure out who she really is. There's some I never completely figured out. I would love to hear how guys do research on pots nowadays.

- Venmo, Cash App, Zelle, and etc. Ugh. Girls love these but it's definitely increased the amount of girls doing "Tips for Pix" and "Send me gas money to travel to you" scams. Even in a regular arrangement, it encourages girls to hit you up for money constantly without seeing you. At the beginning of every arrangement I nix those at the bud. I tell them it's too insecure for me to use those instant app transactions, which is partially true. I'll tell them I'll give cash at the beginning and then give them a reloadable prepaid card when I feel the arrangement is ready.

- I know there's been some good advice about "leaving no trace" but if you have a long-term sugar baby I've found it's pretty much impossible to obscure your identify after awhile in this day and age. So many things and places just don't really use cash anymore, almost everything is digital and at some point your real name is probably going to show up on something if you take your SB out on dates to places. I don't need to be as discreet as I used to be, but I still have to be careful. Yet I've basically decided if I'm seeing a SB for more than a month or two, I know her real name, she's not too inquisitive, and she's not a psycho, then I usually tell her some very basic info about me. Just saves a lot of headaches. I rather focus my concealment tactics on the homefront. It just feels like swimming upstream in this digital age trying to conceal everything about yourself to a SB. But I"m sure some here will disagree and that's fine.

There's more but I'm curious to hear what others see as things that have changed and things that have stayed the same over the years.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;5360726]So there's been a little bit of inflation but the pool of girls is much larger now. So maybe 8-9 years ago I was able to get more girls at a lower allowance, but over the last 3 years I've definitely had hotter women because of the larger pool. A "cheap" allowance won't get you far anymore, but I've gotten a lot of mileage from "mid-range" allowances.

[/QUOTE]Hi John -- I think you're pretty spot on with your assessment of then vs now. Sugaring for young pretty girls has lost a lot of its stigma over the past few years, as has selling pics for cash over cashapp or venmo. Girls who have an immediate and continued need for cash (because drugs, usually) or aren't blessed in the looks department tend to use Skipthegames, while those who are better looking and able to wait a bit can hold out for someone wealthier, willing to spend more and are able to feed their "I'm not actually a prostitute" rationalization hamster by making things feel a bit more like a date.

I'm interested to know what you consider a "mid-range" allowance these days. And for you, is that PPM or an actual allowance?

I personally don't have a problem giving the right girl a significant amount of money over time, but I do want to get a good and repeating return on my investment in the form of in-person dates and alone time. A lot of girls in my area seem to be thinking more along the lines of hooking up once or twice for a huge wad of cash.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;5360726]
[B]Things that that have Changed[/B]

- It's gotten harder to do recon on a Pot. Before when I asked to exchange an email or a phone number with a SB, I could just plug that into Facebook and I would get her real name, location, friends, aditional photos, and see how crazy or normal she was. But now most 20-something girls don't use Facebook and FB disabled the email / phone lookup option for obvious privacy reasons. Some girls will share their Instagram, but that doesn't necessarily "unmask" them like the old Facebook page used to. Not everyone uses their real name with Instagram and there's no age or location data like FB. So it's definitely become harder for me to do research on a SB Pot. Once I actually start seeing a SB, it usually takes me several weeks to slowly figure out who she really is. There's some I never completely figured out. I would love to hear how guys do research on pots nowadays.
[/QUOTE]I find it not that productive to research a girl. I don't really care how she presents herself on social media, all I care is how she behaves with me. Some of these girls highly manage and massage their online presence for a certain image. I have boundaries, standards, and expectations. If she can't manage that landscape I don't care who she is online or in life. Also, with my experience I can usually figure her in short order over conversation so I rely on that to get me to know what I need to know. Is she a shy girl with daddy issues? A thrill seeker? A fashionista who needs lots of $? A complete mess that always in crisis? There's not that many templates for young girls. They all think they're super special and unique but I can tell you that's all in their head. LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;5360726]I just spent the last hour or so reading all my posts and others in the Sugar Daddy highlights and index thread. Many of those posts are from 6-10 years ago. Surprisingly a lot of the advice is still relevant today, but there are also some changes. Here are just a few of my random thoughts on the things that have changed and the things that have remained the same.[/QUOTE]So true about the apps that let you send money. Been in the game for about 5 years and that is now my biggest issue. I am cash only till I build a relationship, then I can set them up on a prepaid card. In my area the other thing that has developed recently is nannies, we get a bunch from outside the country and almost all of them want to supplement income and get to see more of the US culture. I have to say the nannies from brazil are a cut above. Inhibited, fun and sexy!

I recently posted a photo of a OneVanilla card, one of the most reliable prepaid debit cards to pay for a SA membership without giving up personal info or risking a charge showing up on a statement a SO would see. I needed a prepaid for an upcoming trip to a major city where I am trying to book in advance several 'road babies' (RBs). I went back to my usual pharmacy, and I no longer see OneVanilla cards. I have heard this also from some SDs I am in touch with off this site.

In their place is a new card. It looks somewhat like the old OneVanilla, in that it has a vertical window in the packaging. Essentially none of the other prepaids in the rack are presented that way. However, rather than being called OneVanilla, this one is SecureSpend. The website to look them up is also based on that name. So, the question is, will this card do what the old OneVanilla would do, be taken by SA? I hope someone will TOFTT and post about it. I have just spent a month active on each of my profiles, I have enough POTs at home and on the road to last me for a while. I did intend to get a card that I would eventually be able to use on SA, just in case I didn't spend these funds on my trip.

In CA at this time, there are more than a few businesses that aren't taking cash at all. You must use a card, or other electronic payment. I have been relying on the girl to do it and then giving her cash to cover, but not my preferred dynamic.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5360937]I find it not that productive to research a girl. I don't really care how she presents herself on social media, all I care is how she behaves with me. Some of these girls highly manage and massage their online presence for a certain image. I have boundaries, standards, and expectations. If she can't manage that landscape I don't care who she is online or in life. Also, with my experience I can usually figure her in short order over conversation so I rely on that to get me to know what I need to know. Is she a shy girl with daddy issues? A thrill seeker? A fashionista who needs lots of $? A complete mess that always in crisis? There's not that many templates for young girls. They all think they're super special and unique but I can tell you that's all in their head. LOL.[/QUOTE]I view finding out the girl's true identity as part of insurance. There aren't too many examples in the recent thread, but when I began, there were guys telling horror stories about girls going nuts, showing up at their houses, whatever. Knowing as much as you can about a girl, her true identity, home address, etc. , can be a strong hand to play should the relationship ever turn south. I sometimes luck into this kind of info about even a POT. I don't think it is really that useful, but do file it away. It's not like I can pressure her with her true identity to go to the FC with me.

I am seeing a girl for 3 months now. She's as sweet as sugar, we have a real connection, zero complaints. I do have her real name (from the TV in the hotel room I get her to book for us) and her license plate on her vehicle. With the latter and $40, I get her home address. I have not taken that step but could easily if I ever needed to.

I also posted recently, to no response, about the use of FB Messenger to track down girls. If that still worked. At one point, if you put it on your phone, it searched your contacts for girls w / FB and showed you their profile names there. Does anyone know about this?

I have a couple of profiles on SA. None of the photos is of me, they are of someone who looks like me, and are cropped at the nose as if they really were me and I was trying to keep my anonymity, like many people do. I have used them for years, literally. I log into my profile I've been using most recently the other day, and two of my pics have "Denied" across them. Some dolt at SA decided to go through and disqualfy them. I had a photo on my other profile I moved over, but I have really been trying to keep them different enough that if I had struck out once w / a girl with that profile, I could come back to them with a different strategy from the other.

There are all sorts of things they say that the pics and profiles must conform to, and then mostly do nothing to enforce that. Just know that getting it up on the site isn't a guarantee it will stay.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;5360726]

- Surprisingly I would say we're still in the Golden Age of the Bowl. I thought the Golden Age would run for about 4-5 years in the early 2010's, but if anything arrangements have become more widespread and common place among college-aged girls.[/QUOTE]Some good points, the only thing I'd say in contrast is that I don't really think there's ever going to be a peak to this. So long as there is broke college girls that are tired of the immaturity and cheapness of boys their own age and where the experience and wealth of older men look appealing, the bowl will flourish. The price may fluctuate but gold is always gold. Otherwise, I'd agree with your points.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;5360876]
I'm interested to know what you consider a "mid-range" allowance these days. And for you, is that PPM or an actual allowance?

I personally don't have a problem giving the right girl a significant amount of money over time, but I do want to get a good and repeating return on my investment in the form of in-person dates and alone time. A lot of girls in my area seem to be thinking more along the lines of hooking up once or twice for a huge wad of cash.[/QUOTE]I would say "mid-range" is relative to your area, But around where I'm at, I'd say it's about 250-400 (scaled to ppm) is mid-range. Also simply rephrasing things can make a huge difference. One girl I was talking to was iffy on 250 ppm but when I said it was basically a 1,000 - 1,500 per month allowance broken into pieces, she was a lot more interested. Keep in mind, a good chunk of girls who've been in the Bowl beyond 6 months or so, get tired of the merry-go-round and also want something consistent. So if you start speaking in long-term language, they'll be more intrigued. It's typically the brand new girls who think they can get $3,000 - 5,000 monthly allowance because "that's what their friend got". LOL.

I'm also willing to give a girl a good amount for a nice consistent arrangement. I'm currently in a 6 month arrangement with college senior and it's been a good investment. She's drop-dead gorgeous and she's been very attentive and appreciative towards me. I'm giving her a "mid-range" allowance and at first she leaning towards getting a "huge" allowance like what her friends were supposedly getting. But I told her the value of a consistent arrangement (if she did her part too) and how it would quickly start adding up. By Month #2 is when it really hit her how beneficial the arrangement was and all her roommates love me because she's able to buy them dinner and things all the time. She can also skip a work shift or two if she's slammed with homework or has mid-terms. After 6 months, she's probably received 5 figures in allowance by now. This is what many girls who street-walk SA 24/7 don't understand. Instead of bouncing from guy to guy trying to get a big payday for a couple of meets, they'll actually make more in the long run if they're actually able to be consistent and attentive to a reliable SD.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5360937]I find it not that productive to research a girl. I don't really care how she presents herself on social media, all I care is how she behaves with me. Some of these girls highly manage and massage their online presence for a certain image. I have boundaries, standards, and expectations. If she can't manage that landscape I don't care who she is online or in life. Also, with my experience I can usually figure her in short order over conversation so I rely on that to get me to know what I need to know. Is she a shy girl with daddy issues? A thrill seeker? A fashionista who needs lots of $? A complete mess that always in crisis? There's not that many templates for young girls. They all think they're super special and unique but I can tell you that's all in their head. LOL.[/QUOTE]Agreed. It's definitely paramount how a girl behaves around you. However knowing some basic information is just a good insurance policy. For example knowing her real name and what school she went to means you have a lead if something odd happens or things go south quickly. What I mean is if she steals something from you, threatens to expose you, or simply starts getting too curious about certain personal details then you can put her in check if needed. Also if she needs to be discreet then it's basically mutually assured destruction so things won't get out of hand. My current SB knows some of my basic info, but I know a lot more about her. Also in the event you need to reach out to them sometime in the future, you have a lead. I'm just not comfortable seeing a girl for a length of time that's completely anonymous.

[QUOTE=MoCheeks65;5360974] In my area the other thing that has developed recently is nannies, we get a bunch from outside the country and almost all of them want to supplement income and get to see more of the US culture. I have to say the nannies from brazil are a cut above. Inhibited, fun and sexy![/QUOTE]Interesting! Yeah noticed about 2-3 years ago in my area. About two years ago there was a surge of Colombian nannies, LOL. It's exactly what you said, they often want some supplemental income and to just get out of the house. A couple of years ago I saw two Colombian nannies. Amazing sex. Unfortunately neither really lasted more than a couple of dates. Logistically it wasn't very convenient and I gave them a decent allowance but it was something that could easily be outbid. It was a cool thing to check off my bucket list but their schedules and a couple of other things just didn't make it conducive for a long-term arrangement so I kind of held back.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5361385]I view finding out the girl's true identity as part of insurance. There aren't too many examples in the recent thread, but when I began, there were guys telling horror stories about girls going nuts, showing up at their houses, whatever. Knowing as much as you can about a girl, her true identity, home address, etc. , can be a strong hand to play should the relationship ever turn south. I sometimes luck into this kind of info about even a POT. I don't think it is really that useful, but do file it away. It's not like I can pressure her with her true identity to go to the FC with me.[/QUOTE]Mutually Assured Destruction.

If they have a respectable job or show signs of being close with Family, chances are they aren't going to blow up your life when you eventually dump them or forget to untie them till the next morning.

I'd always rather meet someone I've vetted as real, and most girls these days don't really worry much about OpSec, only because they don't realize there are guys who will use that info against them.

I'm not married, so don't worry like most of the married men here. There are other reasons to keep your name and information hidden. I just drop a 20 years old Sugar, because I was bored of her. I also have too much on my plate, and she was just hard to schedule a date with. 5 days later she tells me that her period hasn't come. Told her to get a home test at CVS. It's been 3 days and no word back, so I'm probably ok. Only BC we were using was Plan B, because she didn't want to use the pill. I always bought Plan B and made sure she took it before she left. I only interact with her on my burner or snapchat. She never seen my car, and I always hidden my wallet or leave it in my car during dates. She doesn't know my real name, but I have her real name because she has her student Id under her clear phone case. I will be keeping up with her social media for a few months to see if there is a belly. If she pregnant Plan B fail me twice this year already. Had to pay for my long time 22 years old SB to take care of it. She doesn't like the pill either. She got a IUD after she took care of it. I don't mind paying for the girls to take care of it, but I'm worried about the ones who will keep it.

Love being their Sugar Daddy, but don't want to be their Baby Daddy.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5362441]Mutually Assured Destruction.

If they have a respectable job or show signs of being close with Family, chances are they aren't going to blow up your life when you eventually dump them or forget to untie them till the next morning.

I'd always rather meet someone I've vetted as real, and most girls these days don't really worry much about OpSec, only because they don't realize there are guys who will use that info against them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5368421]I'm not married, so don't worry like most of the married men here. There are other reasons to keep your name and information hidden. I just drop a 20 years old Sugar, because I was bored of her. I also have too much on my plate, and she was just hard to schedule a date with. 5 days later she tells me that her period hasn't come. Told her to get a home test at CVS. It's been 3 days and no word back, so I'm probably ok. Only BC we were using was Plan B, because she didn't want to use the pill. I always bought Plan B and made sure she took it before she left. I only interact with her on my burner or snapchat. She never seen my car, and I always hidden my wallet or leave it in my car during dates. She doesn't know my real name, but I have her real name because she has her student Id under her clear phone case. I will be keeping up with her social media for a few months to see if there is a belly. If she pregnant Plan B fail me twice this year already. Had to pay for my long time 22 years old SB to take care of it. She doesn't like the pill either. She got a IUD after she took care of it. I don't mind paying for the girls to take care of it, but I'm worried about the ones who will keep it.

Love being their Sugar Daddy, but don't want to be their Baby Daddy.[/QUOTE]For gods sake -- get snipped!! I would have babies all over the world otherwise!! 25-50 buck copay! Inpatient -- just need a buddy to take you home.