"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;1964136]Hi fellow Bowl-ers.

I enjoy the updates and will add my own. Nothing too exciting actually, but have been with my regular SB since the summer. She is more busy these days with work and family so I have spent my time looking for new action. My current SB has never been really been great in bed but has so many other good qualities that she is simply fun to be around. She is on a monthly allowance which I now regret but will keep up for a while longer. My advice to newbies...don't go the allowance route.

Similar to Lit2, as a geezer I am easily distracted...I actually have an interesting busy life, so seeking out new POT's is not always at the top of my list. That being said I started out the year with a flake who M&G and said "follow her to her place" and slipped away by another route after getting the sugar from me. Lesson learned. I still see her ad in various places so figure she must be a professional rip-off artist. Last week had a M&G with a 35 why / o who was really rough looking, so pass on that. Cost $.0. In my area the bowl is not so deep so looking in nearby areas. From my SA ad I have one POT to meet after the holiday. We have swapped a couple emails and phone calls so looking forward to that. Since some have has success with AM I will check that out.

As an older guy with some free time, no wife and a jingle in my pocket, this is a fun way of meeting people. The escort market had gotten so seedy and nasty in my area that I gave that up log ago.

Wishing all good hunting for 2014!

Krusty.[/QUOTE]I first got into SBs three years ago because the escort market in smaller cities and towns was so unattractive. I think the NY / Toronto / Miami / Vegas / LA scene is probably as hot as ever, but I haven't tried it recently. SBs are a lot more fun than small town hookers.

[QUOTE=Almsga62;1963011]Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.[/QUOTE]However you do it, make sure you appeal to the woman in her. Women love men that know what they want and actively pursue it. Compliments that seem genuine and thoughtful will get you very far. You need to be clear with your words, do not get put into "friend" zone.

1. Flirt and ask for a date. Let her know you'll cover the expenses ...including child care to get some time with her. Pick a nice restaurant, bring a gift..chocolates, gift card..etc (you know.. Date her...even if it's only once).

2. On the date, make sure to show her the appropriate attention..emotionally and physically.

3. At some point "during the date"...not at the end, you have to initiate the first kiss. So pick an activity after dinner that will allow for that. Even it's a movie, make sure to be affectionate and discrete and kiss her during the movie.

4. From there, you need to work your majic on getting to the FC. Either that night or the next date.

5. "After" you get the booty, then talk about monthly expenses you can help with if you two can continue to see each other. To much talking before hand, may scare her away because she'll feel too much like a prostitute.

I'm out of the game, but my approach was always more "date" like. So this way she feels like she would have dated you without the money, but the money is a big plus. This will help her ease into a SB role without feeling like a biz deal.

If you want it to be more SB / SD like upfront, then discussing finances more in advance would be appropriate. Just be careful because you didn't meet on a SD / SB site and the concept may make the discussion awkward. In the end, you have the potential to drop $400-$600 per month and have full access to the booty as much as you like. Even at 2 to 3 times a week, you are keeping your expenses very low. I'd start with $400.

BigTigg.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270]
Well long story story she wants $500 per date! [/QUOTE]I'm not sure how things are in your neck of the woods, but that seems like an awful lot for a SB.

I guess the benefit of SoCal is that there's always another around the corner. Literally and figuratively.

I've been told how the "previous sd" gave (insert ridiculous amount here), but stuck at $.5 at most and knew to move on. Now if you've got money to burn like J Martinez says, then that's different and you can atleast take one trip to the FC as a trophy fuck.

[QUOTE=Almsga62;1963011]
Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money. [/QUOTE]Like BT says, "dating" her first would put her at ease rather than hitting her with the business transaction first. If she's already accepting the lunch money, then it seems like you've primed her up already. Taking her out and being affectionate up front should let her know what you're looking for and would do well to keep you out of the friendzone. So I second BT's advice.

As we head into 2014 I want to check up with everyone! Has the quality and quantity of sugar babies in your area gone up or down this year?

[QUOTE=Dolato;1964911]I'm not sure how things are in your neck of the woods, but that seems like an awful lot for a SB.

I guess the benefit of SoCal is that there's always another around the corner. Literally and figuratively.

I've been told how the "previous sd" gave (insert ridiculous amount here), but stuck at $.5 at most and knew to move on. Now if you've got money to burn like J Martinez says, then that's different and you can atleast take one trip to the FC as a trophy fuck.

Like BT says, "dating" her first would put her at ease rather than hitting her with the business transaction first. If she's already accepting the lunch money, then it seems like you've primed her up already. Taking her out and being affectionate up front should let her know what you're looking for and would do well to keep you out of the friendzone. So I second BT's advice.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys for the advice.

So to continue from before I am in the process of trying see if I can get one or two real people to date as an affair. AM was a bust so I gave up on that worthless site. But there was some traction. Two from Arrangement Finders and one from SDforme and one from SocialSex. All of these contacted me first all four have not ever done anything like this before and do not express any real monetary expectations and all three are on a very slow roll. So lets take a look shall we?

Italian MILF POT: So this is the most promising one. She 37 YO Italian very very sexy. She is educated, came from a wealthy family, her second husband she is divorced from was wealthy. She has two kids and she looks pretty damn good for her age. She is about 5'3" very large nice breasts, a little thick but not fat at all, she is in good shape exercises every day. I give her a 8/8/10/? . Has a good professional job. She is very responsible and always communicates well and is respectful but not a kiss ass. And shows up on time or early. Long flowing sexy dark hair and she dresses very sexy. Showing cleavage and tight little skirts. Regardless of what ever happens she is a quality woman. And I believe that makes the chances for a quality engagement good. She is very touchy, and complimentary and seems to really be into me. But when it comes to physical escalation it is different. She is much more conservative. After our first very good date. She would not kiss me on the lips and I always try to do this to establish sexual escalation in the first date. This told me she is going to have to be slowly worked into this. She is a class woman and will not be treated otherwise. There has been absolutely no indication she is into any money other than date expenses. We had our second date today and it went awesome. Really good conversation and many times I have had to work these women and try to seduce them. This is not the issue here. It is just easy and fun. So I tried to close her even knowing I was not going to get her to the FC on the 2nd date. And she blushed but refused. But she indicated she really likes me and she is ready to fuck me but needs to "get there" and that takes time with her. She even spelled out how to get there. Simply get together for another date. Spend time together doing a fun activity and get closer through this activity. Not a problem. Planning something for next week. We did get a nice kiss after the date. But she was shy does not like public displays of affection. She tells me that she has only dated two men since her divorce a couple of years ago. And she said it took them months to get in her panties. So she says I am on the fastrack. She is in this for the long haul and does not look for a marriage, and is on the same page about a close and lustful affair. Oh and she assured me that once we did get to the FC I would be very happy because she treats her man like a king. Now I must say I have many women brag about this and even tell me this but very few have really done this. They may be good fucks, they may give awesome blowjobs, or be a lot of fun. But few ever really deliver on this. I must say the last Italian baby my 21 YO paegent baby did seem to be in this vein. But she vanished on me.

CostaRican College Baby: This one is from Arrangement Finders also. At first we hit it off right away and she was really an intellectual type and we had awesome conversations together. Then she backed away because I was married. I graciously bowed out but left the door open. Keeping a little in touch knowing she is a quality woman and a few weeks in the bowl should be enough to change her mind. And it sure did. She came back friendly and ready to give it a try. She is a 21 YO Latina baby with 5'7" nice figure, big bright smile, and great with conversation. I give her a 8/8/9/? . Now she is very young and honest and sincere. And she is very into also taking things slow. She also looks at this as a dating experience. Great communicator and snapchats with me and we have good phone conversations. She is so cute and young. I know we will be into this for a few dates before I ever get a shot at the pussy. And there is a good chance that it may never happen and if it does she may not be that good of a fuck. But it is a pursuit I am willing to slow roll into it and take the chance. She is so sweet and so fun and intelligent. Money has never been discussed and she is expecting something. But I am not going to pay a lot. It appears I can meet at her place and that helps a lot. But still trying to downsize so will not spend too much. Should be able to to a M&G next week.

PuertoRican Shy Baby: This is even more of a long shot. Very quite but cute and not seemingly into the money either. She has a real job and is living with her parents until she gets an apartment. She is retail manager. And works a lot of hours. Good sign. And is trying to get away from loser friends and wants a place without roomates. So she is trying to better herself. Thats the reason she says she was on SDforme. To find someone with substance and is mature. Very shy so far. So so communicator. We are set to meet on Saturday at a park. Should be interesting. Her voice and attitude is very very cute. Wears glasses and looks pretty cute. I give her a 7/8/8/? . Once again I am not going to expect too much. She seems interested. But not in a great rush. Thats ok. I have been through some bad rejections lately. My girl next door baby has descended into Nando 1 territory and then went black. Of course after getting her allowance. And I am not interested in trying to pursue her any more. And my Venezuelan baby is moving away in about a week.

Doctor Baby: Once again this is not a SB at all. She is a young physician, and is hot really fucking hot. I give her a 10/10/7/? . Met her on SocialSex, and she invited me to a date. But so far it has just been emailing through the site back and forth. I am not holding my breath. But I will say there are a lot of women on this site looking to get fucked. I am not having so much luck with my solicitations so far. But if I get this one it will by a grand slam. She tells me she is ready to meet. Just needs the time and will call when she has some. She seems to be warming up to me so another slow roll. She is thirty YO Latina with a body to die for. We shall see. I have at least 5 women per day that look at my profile. But very few ever respond to me. This site is overtly sexual. So there must be a better approach than what I am doing. Just playing around with it and only been on for a week. But it could be a gold mine for that ever elusive hookup online without having to pay all of this money for a commodity as common as pussy.

I still have my last baby. My Colombian Student Nurse baby. And she is always there for me. Very busy so we strictly meetup to fuck. Get a couple of nutts and go back to work. She usually gets three or four nutts.

That is it for now.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Wnde8;1965072]As we head into 2014 I want to check up with everyone! Has the quality and quantity of sugar babies in your area gone up or down this year?[/QUOTE]In my area. It has gone down in both respects. But I suspect there is an ebb and glow to these kind of things. But I am not seeing from just my browsing anything of real quality and certainly not quantity. Interesting trend?

Who knows. There seems to be plenty of horny and good looking women on these hookup sites.

So my first attempt at entering the sugarbaby world has been very disappointing to say the least. There have been a lot of emails and texting with potentials but at the end of about 30 days I really only met with two women. The first one was this 22-year. Old lingerie model but she wanted $500. She seems like a nice girl but that's a lot of money but considering I don't have any other options I may have to pull the trigger on that one.

The second girl I met for a meeting greet she is 23 a single mom and living at home. We were supposed to have our first day on Friday I texted her the night before to confirm and she did confirm. Long story short she stood me up. It's been two days and I still haven't heard from her but I did notice that she logged onto SA just yesterday. I don't know what it is with me meeting so many flakes.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1966762]So my first attempt at entering the sugarbaby world has been very disappointing to say the least. There have been a lot of emails and texting with potentials but at the end of about 30 days I really only met with two women. The first one was this 22-year. Old lingerie model but she wanted $500. She seems like a nice girl but that's a lot of money but considering I don't have any other options I may have to pull the trigger on that one.

The second girl I met for a meeting greet she is 23 a single mom and living at home. We were supposed to have our first day on Friday I texted her the night before to confirm and she did confirm. Long story short she stood me up. It's been two days and I still haven't heard from her but I did notice that she logged onto SA just yesterday. I don't know what it is with me meeting so many flakes.[/QUOTE]Some of the best advice I have found on this forum is to make voice call when contacting to confirm a meeting. I have never been stood up when I have done this.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1966762]So my first attempt at entering the sugarbaby world has been very disappointing to say the least. There have been a lot of emails and texting with potentials but at the end of about 30 days I really only met with two women. The first one was this 22-year. Old lingerie model but she wanted $500. She seems like a nice girl but that's a lot of money but considering I don't have any other options I may have to pull the trigger on that one.

The second girl I met for a meeting greet she is 23 a single mom and living at home. We were supposed to have our first day on Friday I texted her the night before to confirm and she did confirm. Long story short she stood me up. It's been two days and I still haven't heard from her but I did notice that she logged onto SA just yesterday. I don't know what it is with me meeting so many flakes.[/QUOTE]Been there brother. Flakes is a part of this game. It is frustrating. And all I can tell you is to do your best to pre qualify. But remember the younger they are the more they flake. Just imagine for a second that you have your choice of all of these women sending you emails and trying to impress you and promising money to you. What would you do? Keep a couple strung along for while and tried a few out. Then if they your main one did not work. You would go to one of your backups?

Probably a lot of their offers they are getting are bullshit and they know its bullshit. But they are still looking for the best offer and the highest paying person. And whatever shiny object is in front of them. Even your 500 dollar lingere model may not be there when you try her back.

Its a tough gig. You are fighting their own inconsistency, as well as their need for more and better all of the time, their uncertainty about doing p4 p, and the other fucked up want to be SD's out there that ruin it for all of the rest of us. Its an uphill battle at best.

And lately like I have observed below. It is getting tougher not easier. I honestly believe if I was single and even at my age I would do better in the conventional dating world. See some of my old posts on that subject.

Good luck. And keep writing. It will help you get sharper. It is not just about writing emails and trying to throw money around. It is about learning about the game, and more importantly about yourself.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Wnde8;1965072]As we head into 2014 I want to check up with everyone! Has the quality and quantity of sugar babies in your area gone up or down this year?[/QUOTE]Living in a city where the cost of living is continually rising no matter what has greatly increased the quality in my area. Also the steady flow of people moving here adds to that as well. I think that would be the same for any destination place. L.A., N.Y., Las Vegas, etc.

Girls with Daddy Issues. Thank you Jesus.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1966762]So my first attempt at entering the sugarbaby world has been very disappointing to say the least. There have been a lot of emails and texting with potentials but at the end of about 30 days I really only met with two women. The first one was this 22-year. Old lingerie model but she wanted $500. She seems like a nice girl but that's a lot of money but considering I don't have any other options I may have to pull the trigger on that one.

The second girl I met for a meeting greet she is 23 a single mom and living at home. We were supposed to have our first day on Friday I texted her the night before to confirm and she did confirm. Long story short she stood me up. It's been two days and I still haven't heard from her but I did notice that she logged onto SA just yesterday. I don't know what it is with me meeting so many flakes.[/QUOTE]Hang in there. The SB world is truly one where when it rain it pours; and when it is dry, it is a desert. I have seen seniors on this board go from 0 to 125 in about 6 seconds then back to 0 in one day. You will do just fine, just roll with the slow times.

Hey guys thank you all for the great advice and the words of encouragement. I will go ahead and stick it out and hopefully 2014 will be a better year. Happy new year to you all and best of luck.

My first year in the bowl ends with a whimper.

Just when I thought I was having some success things came screeching to a halt. My HYB with a lean yoga body was living with a relative who ended up committing suicide before the holidays. She was shaken by the event and decided to move back closer to family. Not sure if we'll get to meet a final time, but definitely the hottest girl I've had to pleasure of bedding. Things were getting more to my liking so it's bummer to have to start back at square 1 again.

My Hungarian HYB who was also training to be a professional kickboxer broke her wrist in practice so she's out of commission for a few weeks.

I've restarted my search for replacements on SA and should be having some M&G's in the new year. It seems however that many of the prospects have high hopes for big allowances so we'll see if there's room to negotiate. Had 1 nibble from SDFM, but all other sites here seem fruitless.

Happy New Year all. Thanks for all the advice, stories, education from everyone.

I've been reading and learning a lot from you guys here. This week, I'm going for a meet and greet with a young (20's) single mom. One can only do so much reading and learning before you just have to take the plunge. I will report and try to be a contributor if all goes well. Thanks and Happy New Year to all.

R2.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1966762]So my first attempt at entering the sugarbaby world has been very disappointing to say the least. There have been a lot of emails and texting with potentials but at the end of about 30 days I really only met with two women. The first one was this 22-year. Old lingerie model but she wanted $500. She seems like a nice girl but that's a lot of money but considering I don't have any other options I may have to pull the trigger on that one.

The second girl I met for a meeting greet she is 23 a single mom and living at home. We were supposed to have our first day on Friday I texted her the night before to confirm and she did confirm. Long story short she stood me up. It's been two days and I still haven't heard from her but I did notice that she logged onto SA just yesterday. I don't know what it is with me meeting so many flakes.[/QUOTE]I'm going to start with an assumption. That assumption is that you are in the position to be a SD because of your achievements. If you inherited your $ and you've not done much with your life than I'm way off base. If you've been successful enough to be in the position to be a SD than you should have a high amount of self confidence. That is your #1 factor of what I call "game". It is extremely attractive and sexy to women PERIOD. It helps if you also have decent looks and a good personality. However, you could be unattractive, dorky, and have a crappy personality. Women will still respond positively if you are confident. We've all seen it. Haven't you looked at a guy with a hot younger babe and thought what the hell is she doing with him?

Now in the bowl it then comes come down to contacts. Contacts become prospects and prospects become SB's. That means it's a numbers game. Make lots of contacts. Send introductory letters out to a large number of girls that fit what you like in their profile. Make sure you send a letter that has a little substance to it. Don't just wink. That shows no effort and women appreciate that you've taken the time to write them something of substance and taken some effort. This will separate you from the bunch of other idiots that will just send her a wink or write her a one liner. You don't have to write an individual letter for each gal. Just write a decent one and copy and paste it as needed. Send that letter to 40 to 50 girls. Then monitor who reads what you've sent and how many reply. The ones that reply game on. Now start texting them. Tell them you think they are very attractive and ask would they let you treat them to lunch / coffee / drinks / dinner / whatever? Get to the M&G and be confident. You will get at least 4-5 in the FC within 2 weeks. Oh and by the way, I've never given more than 150 to any girl. Good Luck.

[QUOTE=Wnde8;1965072]As we head into 2014 I want to check up with everyone! Has the quality and quantity of sugar babies in your area gone up or down this year?[/QUOTE]I have only been in the bowl since the beginning of the yr. So I can't compare to prior yrs. I would say things are hopping. I have mentioned SD / SB activity on the broads in my area and it's crickets. So I think tings are quite good. There are many more girls than men. Thank goodness for hot young babes needing money for Christmas. I was able to enjoy my version of a Whitman's Holiday Sampler in the last 3 weeks.

Brunette 1: A 20 yr old college student on break. 7/8/8/8. She is young hot and willing. Met for a cup of coffee. Took her one time at local hotel. I gave her 125. Hotel was 75.

Brunette 2: A 24 yr old works at the mall. 8/9.5/9.5/9. This one was really good looking. Incredible body. I'm not sure about scoring I'm reluctant to give anyone a 10. So a 9 is very high in my book. She was a real rack athlete too. I'm trying to make her a full time SB. It has been difficult because of her work schedule at the holidays but she is still communicating. Met her for lunch. I was able to schedule at her apartment. 125.

Blond 1: A 23 why old works at BWW and goes to college. 8/6/9/7 I have seen her 2 x now. Funny cause I saw that she had my letter on SA but she didn't reply. I saw she was online and msg her again saying Hello, and that she should call me. Face pic was really cute. She answered me back and was anxious to meet right away. Said her electric was getting shut off and she needed $60. I asked what kind of fun I could have for 60 and she said anything I wanted. I scooted over to her apartment. Smelled cig smoke and her body was ok but not not nearly as nice as her face. She was really nervous. I banged her good and dropped 60 on the table. Then I gave her an extra 20 and she was so happy. I went back for a repeat.

Redhead: This one is 22 yr old and works in retail. 9/9/9/9. This one looks just like Amy Adams but a 22 yr old version. She was incredibly fun and good in bed. Of course I drilled her like none of her similar aged BF ever had before. She said it was the best she'the ever had. Ok pump up my ego. She had an apartment. This one cost me a decent dinner 135 and a trip to her apartment for another 150. She said next time we can skip dinner. Trying to move her into full time SB status.

Blond 2: This one is a 27 yr old single mom. Works in sales. The kind of sales you don't make much money. 7/8/8/8. She was good but not great. She has been texting and calling like crazy but right now I'm not feeling it. I may give her another try. I gave her 100.

Latina: 20 yr old thin and mega hot. 9.5/9/8/8. She works 3 jobs. Scheduling with her was a pain in the ass. She had no free time and had gps bad. She was sure she was worth 300. I told her that she wasn't going to get that out there from anyone that was going to treat her nice. I told her 150 that's what I can do. She said no thanks. I said no problem I wish you well. A few days later she texted again haha. She said she I sounded nice and she was willing to go down to 250 for me, I stayed firm at 150.she said she couldn't do that. I said no problem, then the clincher, I asked how old are you again? 20 she replied. I said you've probably only dated guys your age so yeah I can only give you 150 but I will be the best sex you've ever had in your life. She said really. I said absolutely if you've only been with guys your age they have no idea what they are doing. She said ok. It was on like Donkey Kong. Went to her apartment brought a bottle of wine ad some chocolates. I would love to continue to meet with her but she is rarely available when I am.

Brunette 3/ SB1: A 26 yr old single mom. I seen her 3 x now including last night. 8/7/9/9. She is attractive single mom. Works a customer service job. I've met with her a few times. I talk / text with her everyday. She is solid. Not the best I've been with but sweet, consistent, and reliable. She is willing to adjust her schedule for me. Her attitude is outstanding and her sex ability is very high too. It is all about worshipping my cock and draining my balls. She gives one of the best BJ I've had in my life. She has a tongue stud and is actually the first girl with one that I've actually been able to feel her using it. Unreal{TCS. Ellipses} I usually give her 125 but the cost is a little higher because I have given her a Western union of 100 once and a Christmas gift that cost me 50.

AA: A 21 yr old spinner. 8/7/7/7. I met with her because she kept messaging me. I love women of color. She was a little disappointing. Just wanted the cash. Everything was rushed. I paid for lunch 35 and hotel 60. Plus I gave her 100.

That concludes my holiday sampler.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1968087]Hey guys thank you all for the great advice and the words of encouragement. I will go ahead and stick it out and hopefully 2014 will be a better year. Happy new year to you all and best of luck.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I cannot express to you how true this is. We try and try to control the bowl but in the end like I have said many times. It is a fluid environment. And if you cannot roll with the punches. It can make you quite miserable. I know. Because I have fought it for a while before learning to roll with it. Still get my hopes up sometimes. Speaking of hopes.

Couple of interesting POTs to report on.

My Italian Professional MILF POT{TCS. Ellipses}is primed and ready for a trip to the FC this Thursday. She is around 37 works out every day. Eats well and has a nice thick body with big natural nice titties. She loves me already and is totally on the same page with me on the whole affair thing. Just what she needs also. She is very proper so far but she is now opening up about her desire to get fucked well. We are both excited about it and text and talk everyday. Anticipation of spending the day together culminating in a nice long lazy afternoon of sex in the sheets is awesome. And this is a no dollar baby. And we may be meeting at her place in the future. Score and double score. Not yet though. Got to work up to that one.

I met a new one. I will call her for now, my Southern MILF. Actually used to be married to someone I have met before. Her ex and I are not friends or run in the same circles but he is a high powered executive. So just shows you how the world gets small sometimes. It is not a problem. She is used to being wealthy and playing around. She is quite the sexual player. And has had a SD before. But is not really in it for the money she says. In fact she is not looking for the cash yet. Just gifts. But I have a feeling that will change. She is 40 YO White not as good as her pics. A little thick. But very very sexual, and very very sexy. And good to go. Lets just say we did a M&G and were in the booth of a nice cozy restaurant and my hands were on her legs the whole time, and touching her nice smooth skin. Before we left the restaurant were making out and I had already pulled her skirt up to check out her very sexy lace underwear. She feined surprise but loved every minute of it. She is a horny little minx. I give her a 7/7/9/? . She had to get back to work and I cannot get back to her for a week because of work and these damn holidays. But we are sexting and talking. She tells me that she went back to work with wet panties. And that when I talk with her on the phone she says she gets wet. Nice huh? I can't make this shit up. This may not work out because of the distance and she is a little bossy. But I am not really worried. Just got to try her once. Lets see how good the sex is. It has to be mind blowing for me to keep her because frankly. I am not into 40 YO's unless they are smoking hot. Go back to my early posts. And see the stuff about my first of only two ATF's. She was absolutely beautiful and sexy as hell. And she was 40.

This is a surprise. Call her my Puerto Rican Tat cutie. She is very very hot. She has been off and on for a while and never responded. But yesterday I tried her with a basic Hollywood tactic of you have been on and never replied to me. Are you not interested? I am interested in you. Basically a very direct and honest approach. It worked. She called me 20 minutes later. Essentially she had been inundated with so many messages she could not get to them all. So she gives up after a while. We talked and she is very cool has a good job and is 19 on her profile she may be 20 extremely hot very thin spinner type. Quite a few tats. Beautiful full lips and smoking body and an ass to die for. I just want to split her in two. I give her a 9/10/8/? . She could be a keeper has had one SD before and it was long term 6 months. So she knows the drill and is needing money. We are supposed to meet on Friday and we may make it to the FC on the first date. She seems ready to go. Good communicator, no drama, likes all the things I am asking for. Lets give it a whirl.

So things are still cooking. The good money is on my Italian Professional MILF. But like Happy Hunter said below this could all fall apart and I will not see any of them ever again. My Venezuelan baby is moved but she is coming down next week. So we are going to get together for a good solid fuck session.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Reffin2;1968209]I've been reading and learning a lot from you guys here. This week, I'm going for a meet and greet with a young (20's) single mom. One can only do so much reading and learning before you just have to take the plunge. I will report and try to be a contributor if all goes well. Thanks and Happy New Year to all.

R2.[/QUOTE]I think reporting back on the setbacks is just as big of a contribution as sharing the success. Good luck on your M&G. If it's the first one you're going to, then hope you don't make the mistake I did and be sure to think with your head up top. If it doesn't go well, then there'll be plenty more.

Also. Great advice from Pats Fan 1 about having confidence and having game. It seems like the others having success in the sugar bowl have plenty of confidence / game and that's how they build up a solid roster at reasonable costs of 100/150 a date. Without having the confidence / game, it'll cost much more to play in the bowl. It's easy to throw around $ for a trip to the FC but to do it for a $ requires having game.

On a personal side. I was planning on taking a break until the end of the year but I've been having some free time in between the bowl games. Sent out some followup emails and a few messages and I've lined up some M&G for later this week. Another one seemed ready to go but has dropped out. A fourth that I hadn't heard from in weeks replied back (must be the post shopping credit bills). The bowl. Ing never stops.

24-Dec I hate when girls put in their profile that they make good "arm candy". I'm only interested in "dick candy". Or another pet peeve is when I see the phrase "I want to be spoiled rotten". Why would anyone want that? I don't like anything that is spoiled or rotten. Role played and banged my princess tonite and then took her home. Multiple POTS to see till she gets back for new years eve. Lets see how many I can really hook up with before the 31st.

25-Dec The exotic doll faced girl ditched me. NBD, it's a numbers game for sure. Chatting up POTS on Christmas day. Made a few dates for this week.

26-Dec Had a 10 am M & G with a girl I met off the site about 2 years ago. At the time we didn't really hit it off. But there was something about her I couldn't get out of my mind. In the last 18 months I flaked on her about 6 times at least. I finally went over to see her today and I am so glad I did. She is now a 20 year old 5' 7' 110 lbs, half irish half latina, chola looking girl (tatted from her head to her ankles). I am definitely going to start seeing her and we are going to try and make a go of it. She is in beauty school and has a car and lives nearby. Says she can hang out and doesn"t care about my girls. She is an independent pro and doesn't have a BF or pimp (or anyone who thinks he's her bf) or even a best GF. Her look is way way over the top, but I like that. She is $ per visit. But today I gave her $.4 as a make up present for all my flaking. If she can perform the way I need in bed we are on. 9/9/9/9. All we did today was get reacquainted as she was on her period. We just fooled around on the sofa for a bit (with me naked) and mostly talked. She told me I was her first guy off the SD site way back when, now she is a seasoned veteran which I normally avoid, but I like her. Every girl, even a UTR or pro girl wants to feel special sometimes. I'm hoping she can feel that way about me. Fourth quarter results came in at work today. Not good. Next quarter has to be better or I don"t know what. Roommate date in the evening, I wish it had been earlier as I was emotionally drained from the earlier date and the bad news at work.

27-Dec Stayed home and txted with my new latina spinner. I got a crush on her.

28-Dec I saw that an elusive booty call girl I know posted that she wanted a certain pair of shoes on her twitter account, so I bought them. Now she has to come here to get them. I am betting she will, just like the last time a few months ago.

29-Dec Met a girl I had been chatting with for about 6 months. She was on and off the site within days. Never dated a guy over 25 and never took sugar to date a guy. Took her to dinner and then back to my place. While I could have easily just gotten down to business and then told her my situation after. I told her everything upfront as I would want to keep seeing this SB quality girl and she would find out everything anyway. She is a mixed 5' 7' 115 lb Private Dancer. An easy 9/9/9/7 (pictured below) As she does not want sugar (so she says) we just talked and fooled around on the bed. My roommate was home when we got there, and it did freak her out a little. I took her home 5 hours later. I believe there will be a second date (she was soaked right through her leggings). Cost of the date was .3 including gas. [ATTACH=CONFIG]294270[/ATTACH]

30-Dec I had been emailing a very sweet and super shy freshman for the last 2 weeks that I could just not convince to see me. Well finally today I picked her up from her home and took her to mine. She was extremely shy and almost didn't say a word. She was a 19 year old AA 5' 4' 115 lb girl with nice see cups and a round ass. Being generous she was a 9/9/9/9. She was wearing a form fitting (but not tight) dress, no bra, a sweater and glasses. So pretty and a super body, just very very quiet. When we entered the FC I started to kiss her but she didn't seem to care for that. I was then informed that she was on her period. I wasnt really upset and just figured we would go in some other direction. I tried variously petting, kissing and sweet talking, with little success. I asked her to lay down on the bed, which lasted about 15 seconds. At this point I told myself it's my job to try and understand this girl. She willingly came to the FC and there was no talk of sugar since the original contact message 2 weeks ago. At that moment she says "let me get comfortable" and proceeds to lie face down on the bed fully clothed with her legs together and crossed at the ankles. I am not really sure what to do next, so I just lay next to her and alternate between massaging her ass, cuddling her and grinding from behind. This seems to arouse her as she grinds back and starts squirming a bit, so I lift her dress and pull her panties down just enough to start fingering her ass. This elicits more squirming, so I start to finger her with 2 fingers and very aggressively. After about 5 minutes of this I tell her I am going to put something bigger in there and slide right in. We fuck for about 30 minutes until I cum deep in her ass. This entire time she only says a few sexy things that I asked her to repeat. After we are done we take a half hour break. Total silence since the start. She then sits up and I say "well I guess I just have to do things to you without asking". She says simply "yes". This re-arouses my interest and I have her start on some oral, but she soon tires. So I have her suck my balls until completion by lending a helping hand to each of our respective private parts. This pleases her. Afterwards she gave me many non verbal cues as to her feelings, like repeatedly fixing my collar and resting her head on my shoulder, all without a sound. I take her to get the gift she requests as the sight of the cold hard cash (the agreed upon $) did not sit well with her (the gift cost slightly less). After 5 hours I take her home. She claims to have never dated and only been with one guy before (a BF) and he was only 20. I will definitely repeat. From beginning to end she never removed or adjusted her glasses. When I asked if she could come by after school sometime she said "yes".

31-Dec Spent New Years Eve with my "Princess". The girl pictured above followed up to tell I was too wild and can't wrap her mind around seeing me again.

I remember this is a "not too detailed" on the action thread. Hopefully it was within acceptable guidelines. Any extra details were to drive home a bigger point (no pun intended).

Expensive Month.

3.375 K. Total 25 sessions in the FC. This includes all expenses, including food, salon trips, motel rooms, bills, etc.

Spent money on 14 girls total, went to the FC with 9 of them, fucked 7 of them (played petting games with the other 2). Of the 5 others I gave money to, there were 2 charity donations to X's and I did 3 M&G's that went nowhere.

Spent 75% of the budget on my 3 regulars.

Interested in how this one pans out for you. I have not pulled the trigger on that site due to the insane amount of mail I get from them. With no profile information filled out.

Do keep us informed if this turns out to be reliable source.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1965190]So to continue from before I am in the process of trying see if I can get one or two real people to date as an affair. AM was a bust so I gave up on that worthless site. But there was some traction. Two from Arrangement Finders and one from SDforme and one from SocialSex. All of these contacted me first all four have not ever done anything like this before and do not express any real monetary expectations and all three are on a very slow roll. So lets take a look shall we?

Italian MILF POT: So this is the most promising one. She 37 YO Italian very very sexy. She is educated, came from a wealthy family, her second husband she is divorced from was wealthy. She has two kids and she looks pretty damn good for her age. She is about 5'3" very large nice breasts, a little thick but not fat at all, she is in good shape exercises every day. I give her a 8/8/10/? . Has a good professional job. She is very responsible and always communicates well and is respectful but not a kiss ass. And shows up on time or early. Long flowing sexy dark hair and she dresses very sexy. Showing cleavage and tight little skirts. Regardless of what ever happens she is a quality woman. And I believe that makes the chances for a quality engagement good. She is very touchy, and complimentary and seems to really be into me. But when it comes to physical escalation it is different. She is much more conservative. After our first very good date. She would not kiss me on the lips and I always try to do this to establish sexual escalation in the first date. This told me she is going to have to be slowly worked into this. She is a class woman and will not be treated otherwise. There has been absolutely no indication she is into any money other than date expenses. We had our second date today and it went awesome. Really good conversation and many times I have had to work these women and try to seduce them. This is not the issue here. It is just easy and fun. So I tried to close her even knowing I was not going to get her to the FC on the 2nd date. And she blushed but refused. But she indicated she really likes me and she is ready to fuck me but needs to "get there" and that takes time with her. She even spelled out how to get there. Simply get together for another date. Spend time together doing a fun activity and get closer through this activity. Not a problem. Planning something for next week. We did get a nice kiss after the date. But she was shy does not like public displays of affection. She tells me that she has only dated two men since her divorce a couple of years ago. And she said it took them months to get in her panties. So she says I am on the fastrack. She is in this for the long haul and does not look for a marriage, and is on the same page about a close and lustful affair. Oh and she assured me that once we did get to the FC I would be very happy because she treats her man like a king. Now I must say I have many women brag about this and even tell me this but very few have really done this. They may be good fucks, they may give awesome blowjobs, or be a lot of fun. But few ever really deliver on this. I must say the last Italian baby my 21 YO paegent baby did seem to be in this vein. But she vanished on me.

CostaRican College Baby: This one is from Arrangement Finders also. At first we hit it off right away and she was really an intellectual type and we had awesome conversations together. Then she backed away because I was married. I graciously bowed out but left the door open. Keeping a little in touch knowing she is a quality woman and a few weeks in the bowl should be enough to change her mind. And it sure did. She came back friendly and ready to give it a try. She is a 21 YO Latina baby with 5'7" nice figure, big bright smile, and great with conversation. I give her a 8/8/9/? . Now she is very young and honest and sincere. And she is very into also taking things slow. She also looks at this as a dating experience. Great communicator and snapchats with me and we have good phone conversations. She is so cute and young. I know we will be into this for a few dates before I ever get a shot at the pussy. And there is a good chance that it may never happen and if it does she may not be that good of a fuck. But it is a pursuit I am willing to slow roll into it and take the chance. She is so sweet and so fun and intelligent. Money has never been discussed and she is expecting something. But I am not going to pay a lot. It appears I can meet at her place and that helps a lot. But still trying to downsize so will not spend too much. Should be able to to a M&G next week.

PuertoRican Shy Baby: This is even more of a long shot. Very quite but cute and not seemingly into the money either. She has a real job and is living with her parents until she gets an apartment. She is retail manager. And works a lot of hours. Good sign. And is trying to get away from loser friends and wants a place without roomates. So she is trying to better herself. Thats the reason she says she was on SDforme. To find someone with substance and is mature. Very shy so far. So so communicator. We are set to meet on Saturday at a park. Should be interesting. Her voice and attitude is very very cute. Wears glasses and looks pretty cute. I give her a 7/8/8/? . Once again I am not going to expect too much. She seems interested. But not in a great rush. Thats ok. I have been through some bad rejections lately. My girl next door baby has descended into Nando 1 territory and then went black. Of course after getting her allowance. And I am not interested in trying to pursue her any more. And my Venezuelan baby is moving away in about a week.

Doctor Baby: Once again this is not a SB at all. She is a young physician, and is hot really fucking hot. I give her a 10/10/7/? . Met her on SocialSex, and she invited me to a date. But so far it has just been emailing through the site back and forth. I am not holding my breath. But I will say there are a lot of women on this site looking to get fucked. I am not having so much luck with my solicitations so far. But if I get this one it will by a grand slam. She tells me she is ready to meet. Just needs the time and will call when she has some. She seems to be warming up to me so another slow roll. She is thirty YO Latina with a body to die for. We shall see. I have at least 5 women per day that look at my profile. But very few ever respond to me. This site is overtly sexual. So there must be a better approach than what I am doing. Just playing around with it and only been on for a week. But it could be a gold mine for that ever elusive hookup online without having to pay all of this money for a commodity as common as pussy.

I still have my last baby. My Colombian Student Nurse baby. And she is always there for me. Very busy so we strictly meetup to fuck. Get a couple of nutts and go back to work. She usually gets three or four nutts.

That is it for now.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]

I haven't pulled the trigger on Socialsex but I did create an account and even though I have no pictres nor written anything I am getting tons of emails. I think this site is 100% bullshit. I mean even the pictures look fake. IMHO I would stay away but that is just me.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1968893]Expensive Month.

3.375 K. Total 25 sessions in the FC. This includes all expenses, including food, salon trips, motel rooms, bills, etc.

Spent money on 14 girls total, went to the FC with 9 of them, fucked 7 of them (played petting games with the other 2). Of the 5 others I gave money to, there were 2 charity donations to X's and I did 3 M&G's that went nowhere. Spent 75% of the budget on my 3 regulars.[/QUOTE]Looked at another way, the 3 regulars averaged $843.75 per month. Not a bad take for them. Or $135 per FC visit, not a bad ratio for you. Sounds like win win all around.

Hey guys,

A "dumb" question if I might. I see according to the dictionary that " is $100, as in Ben Franklin. Ok so what is $.4 and similar notations? If that's a decimal point in there, then it should equal $40, or is it $400? Depending on how you look at it either some of use are getting a great bargain, or the SB's are getting away with the loot. Please explain.

On a Happy New Year note, I spent part of the evening with my ATF SB and rang in the new year with a smile on my face. Neither of us are young'ins, and as a geezer. Bowl-er, I can't keep up with some of our wilder members with the 20 year olds, but it's all good to me. My MILF POT flaked on me over the holidays but were still texting and hope to meet soon. It's a bit of a drive so logistics play into it also.

Wishing everyone success in 2014.

K. dawg.

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;1968995]Hey guys,

A "dumb" question if I might. I see according to the dictionary that " is $100, as in Ben Franklin. Ok so what is $.4 and similar notations? If that's a decimal point in there, then it should equal $40, or is it $400? Depending on how you look at it either some of use are getting a great bargain, or the SB's are getting away with the loot. Please explain.

On a Happy New Year note, I spent part of the evening with my ATF SB and rang in the new year with a smile on my face. Neither of us are young'ins, and as a geezer. Bowl-er, I can't keep up with some of our wilder members with the 20 year olds, but it's all good to me. My MILF POT flaked on me over the holidays but were still texting and hope to meet soon. It's a bit of a drive so logistics play into it also.

Wishing everyone success in 2014.

K. dawg.[/QUOTE]At least in my part of town, the $ represents $100. Your example would be $.40 = 140.
$$ = 200. $$$.5 = 350.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1968950]I haven't pulled the trigger on Socialsex but I did create an account and even though I have no pictres nor written anything I am getting tons of emails. I think this site is 100% bullshit. I mean even the pictures look fake. IMHO I would stay away but that is just me.[/QUOTE]I would not recommend it. I bought the membership and I have gotten some legitimate emails from real people. Verified by talking with them and from one chick that I actually did a M&G from SDforme. So I know she is real. However there is a lot of bullshit and what I have heard them call catfish? Do not spend the money.

I got engaged into an email exchange with a totally fake person and will not do that again. What a waste of my time. Do not send them money. You have been warned. There are real people but too much bullshit to wade through. And I do not have the time.

I am now thinking of trying AdultFriendFinder. I have been told it is by far the best hookup site. I have a free do nothing membership and may pull the trigger on a one month membership. Anyone out there try AFF? If so please give us your reports.

I am sharing the results of my money and my very valuable time. To tell you what I am getting. I would sure like to hear from some other brave souls out there.

Remember our failures are just or more important than our successes.

Revvo.

I noticed that when I use my google voice. That it shows my local calling area to the recipient on their caller I'the.

Now this is a bit unnerving since I live in a very specific community in my large metro area. And somehow Googlevoice is now sending that out with my call. This is not the caller I'the info on my real phone. But it is when calling through google voice.

Has anyone else encountered this? You may want to check.

Also is there anyway to change what your googlevoice sends out on its caller I'the?

Thanks,

Revvo.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1969191]I would not recommend it. I bought the membership and I have gotten some legitimate emails from real people. Verified by talking with them and from one chick that I actually did a M&G from SDforme. So I know she is real. However there is a lot of bullshit and what I have heard them call catfish? Do not spend the money.

I got engaged into an email exchange with a totally fake person and will not do that again. What a waste of my time. Do not send them money. You have been warned. There are real people but too much bullshit to wade through. And I do not have the time.

I am now thinking of trying AdultFriendFinder. I have been told it is by far the best hookup site. I have a free do nothing membership and may pull the trigger on a one month membership. Anyone out there try AFF? If so please give us your reports.

I am sharing the results of my money and my very valuable time. To tell you what I am getting. I would sure like to hear from some other brave souls out there.

Remember our failures are just or more important than our successes.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]So I have just recently signed up to adult friend finder for one month and so far hasn't been very promising. I should mention that I tried adult friend finder a few years ago and that was also pretty disappointing but this current time around it's even more disappointing.

The biggest problem that I see is that there are a lot of old profiles that are on there. In other words profiles where user has not logged on in over three months. Also there doesn't seem to be a lot of good looking women, they tend to be a lot older in other words over 45 and fat. I live in Richmond so I can only speak to my area.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1969205]I noticed that when I use my google voice. That it shows my local calling area to the recipient on their caller I'the.

Now this is a bit unnerving since I live in a very specific community in my large metro area. And somehow Googlevoice is now sending that out with my call. This is not the caller I'the info on my real phone. But it is when calling through google voice.

Has anyone else encountered this? You may want to check.

Also is there anyway to change what your googlevoice sends out on its caller I'the?

Thanks,

Revvo.[/QUOTE]When you signed up for Google Voice, did you select an area code and number that is local to you? When I signed up I selected an area code far away from me. That geographical area has always shown up on Caller Identification.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1969191]I would not recommend it. I bought the membership and I have gotten some legitimate emails from real people. Verified by talking with them and from one chick that I actually did a M&G from SDforme. So I know she is real. However there is a lot of bullshit and what I have heard them call catfish? Do not spend the money.

I got engaged into an email exchange with a totally fake person and will not do that again. What a waste of my time. Do not send them money. You have been warned. There are real people but too much bullshit to wade through. And I do not have the time.

Remember our failures are just or more important than our successes.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I saw your comment earlier that your were giving SS a try, so mostly out of boredom I got tricked into the signup. I used a throwaway debit card that will be depleted by the time they try to charge it again, so I'm not out much.

But there's a ton of obvious signs that there's no "there" there. I've only had "Friend" requests, which then go nowhere. I had a flurry of "friend" and "meet in person" requests before I even had a photo up, which are obvious teasers. There are a small collection of profiles with public nude photos, which really make no sense at all in the real world. Then there are the obvious professionally done photographs with too good to be true faces.

There are a bunch of somewhat legit. Looking profiles, except the geographic / demographic distribution is completely out of whack with the reality on the ground. They simply do not line up with the ratios you see on other sites. I think you have site operators who aren't doing their homework and stuffing the ballot boxes without knowing the area very well. There's one town in particular that I just assume are all fakes no matter how real they look.

Once you whittle away all that, there's very, very little left that are likely to be real.

So I may try one round of sending out messages, but mostly as an experiment with no expectations that anything will come of it.

Oh well, it's a diversion anyway.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1969191]I would not recommend it. I bought the membership and I have gotten some legitimate emails from real people. Verified by talking with them and from one chick that I actually did a M&G from SDforme. So I know she is real. However there is a lot of bullshit and what I have heard them call catfish? Do not spend the money.

I got engaged into an email exchange with a totally fake person and will not do that again. What a waste of my time. Do not send them money. You have been warned. There are real people but too much bullshit to wade through. And I do not have the time.

I am now thinking of trying AdultFriendFinder. I have been told it is by far the best hookup site. I have a free do nothing membership and may pull the trigger on a one month membership. Anyone out there try AFF? If so please give us your reports.

I am sharing the results of my money and my very valuable time. To tell you what I am getting. I would sure like to hear from some other brave souls out there.

Remember our failures are just or more important than our successes.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]I did AFF for years and had lots of success. I will say, it was before I was consistently banging hotties in their 20's. From what I remember, it was great. I loved chatting in the rooms and the ideas that with most you know upfront that sex is on the menu. Lots of great photos and videos. However it has been years, I say{TCS. Ellipses}give it a try.

BigTigg.

Similar experience w / SS. Fortunately, I tried the 3-day trial period and I cancelled before they charge me for a full month.

SS is full of spam.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;1969301]I saw your comment earlier that your were giving SS a try, so mostly out of boredom I got tricked into the signup. I used a throwaway debit card that will be depleted by the time they try to charge it again, so I'm not out much.

But there's a ton of obvious signs that there's no "there" there. I've only had "Friend" requests, which then go nowhere. I had a flurry of "friend" and "meet in person" requests before I even had a photo up, which are obvious teasers. There are a small collection of profiles with public nude photos, which really make no sense at all in the real world. Then there are the obvious professionally done photographs with too good to be true faces.

There are a bunch of somewhat legit. Looking profiles, except the geographic / demographic distribution is completely out of whack with the reality on the ground. They simply do not line up with the ratios you see on other sites. I think you have site operators who aren't doing their homework and stuffing the ballot boxes without knowing the area very well. There's one town in particular that I just assume are all fakes no matter how real they look.

Once you whittle away all that, there's very, very little left that are likely to be real.

So I may try one round of sending out messages, but mostly as an experiment with no expectations that anything will come of it.

Oh well, it's a diversion anyway.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Revvo;1969191]I would not recommend it. I bought the membership and I have gotten some legitimate emails from real people. Verified by talking with them and from one chick that I actually did a M&G from SDforme. So I know she is real. However there is a lot of bullshit and what I have heard them call catfish? Do not spend the money.

I got engaged into an email exchange with a totally fake person and will not do that again. What a waste of my time. Do not send them money. You have been warned. There are real people but too much bullshit to wade through. And I do not have the time.

I am now thinking of trying AdultFriendFinder. I have been told it is by far the best hookup site. I have a free do nothing membership and may pull the trigger on a one month membership. Anyone out there try AFF? If so please give us your reports.

I am sharing the results of my money and my very valuable time. To tell you what I am getting. I would sure like to hear from some other brave souls out there.

Remember our failures are just or more important than our successes.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Been about 3 years since I tried AFF. Seemed like a lot of fake profiles mixed with some pros. Maybe different now but was not worth it to me at the time.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1969213]So I have just recently signed up to adult friend finder for one month and so far hasn't been very promising. I should mention that I tried adult friend finder a few years ago and that was also pretty disappointing but this current time around it's even more disappointing./QUOTE]


Hey Guys a hobbyist here from Down South. For the past 3 months I have been signing up for about 6 or more sites. 2 of them I dropped money on for 1 month and then deleted profile.

ashley madison
AFF
Sugardaddy4me
arrangment finders
cougar somn somn
and 1 more I forgot.

It is all bullshit. I completed all profiles honestly and thoroughly, uploaded sane pics, no nudes. On the 2 I paid for I was pounded every day with emails and this and that. once i signed up I went back to the emails and I couldnt even pull up the profiles that had messaged me and the ones I could would not reply. On all sites I could see chicks were "adding me" or "freinding me" and when I click on the who has viewed me it had none, lol. It is all bullshit and most websites belong to AFF company. I also noticed when i clicked "online" and then found a person I would go their profile and it would say not active since 2009, lol. I hate the internet

So I am doing this update with one of my comparisons. Very very different two women, in about every way these POTs are my Southern Sexy MILF and PuertoRican Tat Hottie. So first my Southern Sexy MILF (SSM) is older 40 YO White and kind of large but not fat I would guess around 145 lbs. Attractive, and very very sexual. She is a 7/6/8/? .

My PuertoRican Tat Hottie (PRTH) , is very beautiful, 19 YO Latina, very small a bonifide spinner even in the Hollywood scale, 5'3" 103 lbs. She is tiny and so fucking cute! She is really put together well and perfectly quioffed, and very artistic looking. She is much more shy and reserved in bed. Yes I fucked her today and she has a ways to go. She genuinely seems to like me and she tells me how much she likes being with me and how safe and comfortable she feels with me. But she definitely has a ways to go in sexual part. But damn what a sweet pussy. So tight and a beautiful ass. She is officially now at a 10/9/8/6. Kinda looks like Vanessa Marcil. And I want to bring that 6 up to a 10. Does anyone of the brothers have any advice on how to improve that score? Training wise? She is too good to waste that pussy with skills at a 6. I can help her with the blowjob. But any other advice would be awesome.

SSM is very confident in herself. Very expressive and horny minx. Knows her way around her own body and a mans cock. Not the least bit shy and quite assertive. Also kind of bossy. That last part I am not too fond of. So I am just kind of laughing at her but I may cut her loose. Don't need to deal with some woman trying to be in control of our relationship. Especially if I am paying her and she aint that good looking. LMFAO on that one. But I am giving her a chance. May not call her for a few days and see what she does.

PRTH is very quiet and almost serene. I like that. No drama. In fact I have asked her three times what she wants out of our relationship and she has been consistent. She wants fun but no drama or craziness, someone she can rely on trust and give her respect. She has never mentioned money. This was really cool. Not really trying at all to be a gold digger. But I really like her. There is a strong affinity between us already. And I know she needs the money. I like her attitude no bossiness and no bullshit. Everything she has said to me has been the truth. So I made her a decent offer she needs the money and it wasn't really high but it should keep her happy and not in a desperate state. I told her 200 per week. Visit her 1 to 2 times per week. Most likely I will not be able to see her more than once a week, just because of my schedule. And she loved it she readily agreed to it and was very happy. So off to the FC we went after lunch. And she had limited time for the first time. But that is ok. First times are usually not that great especially with 19 YO. She is the second youngest I have ever had. And it was a slow and arduous process.

She has a long way to go. I was able to get her to open up and be a little more affectionate and a better kisser by the end of the session. Blow job was pretty good. Goddamn her ass is so sweet. But it is only the beginning. And she seemed to be really happy afterwards. Told me so and how much she likes our arrangement and how much she likes me. Also she has agreed we can meet at her place after we get used to each other. So I will only have the 800 a month plus occasional eating out. And a few gifts. We are scheduled to meet again tomorrow. And I am looking forward to it. Since I am betting on her and my Italian Professional Baby as my other regular no dollar baby. I may be able to have two fine women for only 800 per month and at least two fucks a week. Which is about all I can handle. With my schedule.

You know you have to really be flexible to roll with two women as different as these two. What a contrast. I am really happy with her. Any advice to bring her out of her shell would be awesome? I heard of a game called hotspotting I am going to try with her. On a later date.

Be careful out there.

Revvo.

So, I have been playing in the bowl for about 4 months. I have been using CL ads to find POTs. It has been working fairly well as long as I keep the ads up. I have been contacted by well over a dozen women, probably more. Out of them, I have met with 5 POTs.

Out of them, 1 basically took me for 300, with no reward for me. That was me being stupid.

Meet one very cute 19 yo, but I could not close the deal with her. Not sure if it was the timing or she just didn't like me.

There is a 40's MILF, lots of fun, mainly in it for the sex, but was happy for the $. I still see her when I can.

Next is my ATF. She was also the first girl I met. 24 yo, latina mix, thick in the right places. She works out by pole dancing. Lots of fun. She is almost too much for me. I had to travel for work, and I was happy for the break, but I was so happy to get back to her. She is also my highest cost. At $.5, but totally worth it.

Last one is the newest, I'm calling her sweet honey. SH is a student, and working 2 or 3 jobs. So making time is a little tough, but we have done M&G and a trip to the FC. I got her on $ month allowance. Minimum 3 dates a month. I know she needs the money, and she is a lot of fun.

I have one POT in the works right now, the only problem is I have to go out of town for a few weeks. So, I will try to keep up communication while I'm gone, and hopefully close with her when I get back. She seems a little skidish, but she's still chatting with me. We will see.

Not bad for 4 months. Still need to work on getting the cost down, but I'm pretty happy for now.

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My PuertoRican Tat Hottie (PRTH) , is very beautiful, 19 YO Latina, very small a bonifide spinner even in the Hollywood scale, 5'3" 103 lbs. She is tiny and so fucking cute! She is really put together well and perfectly quioffed, and very artistic looking. She is much more shy and reserved in bed. Yes I fucked her today and she has a ways to go. She genuinely seems to like me and she tells me how much she likes being with me and how safe and comfortable she feels with me. But she definitely has a ways to go in sexual part. But damn what a sweet pussy. So tight and a beautiful ass. She is officially now at a 10/9/8/6. Kinda looks like Vanessa Marcil. And I want to bring that 6 up to a 10. Does anyone of the brothers have any advice on how to improve that score? Training wise? She is too good to waste that pussy with skills at a 6. I can help her with the blowjob. But any other advice would be awesome.[/QUOTE]When you first meet them you pray that they are gonna be little sluts, and they already are in their head. Now you just need to connect it to their body. It's called patience. You can't put a MILF in 19 year olds body (if she is a true princess), but you can enjoy the moments of being with an angel, and if you can wait, those moments will come more regularly over time. Does she just look hot or does she have raw talent? Can you wait weeks or months for improvements? Do you have enough backup while you are waiting?

Hi guys. Been lurking here for a while and reading the volumes of info.

I dipped my toes into the pool a couple months ago with some success. One of my pet peeves is paying for access to any of the sugar baby sites. I have limited funds, and it just seems counter productive to use them to pay for access to one of the sites. I tried Craigslist with no success.

What I've settled on is sugardaddytoday. Seems like most of the women are real, I've had 5 M&G of which 2 led to FC dates on the next meet. Every once in a while I get a message from someone absurdly far away but other than that there's no spam, very limited fakes, and it's free with no CC required.

Was wondering why no one has ever referenced this site on these boards? Is it possible it's never been found by anyone here?