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Went to Tong Tong in Duluth today, got a massage from a girl named WeiWei, looks 40's. She did the pretend like she didn't normally do HJ routine for like 10 whole minutes. The massage and HE were both uninspiring. I paid for an hour and added an extra Andrew Jackson for the ending. I might go back there whenever low on cash.
[QUOTE=Big Money; 1110790]You poor soul.
Did your Momma never teach you to play nice with others?
Or have you always just been an misogynist?
Since you are only interested in yourself, here is some thing maybe you have not considered or I have not seen many postings here on the Atlanta board:
Have you ever thought that being nice to the ladies (and not be a jerk) might pay off in better services and lower prices in the long run?
As I have mentioned before with my examples with Houston AMP chicks, sure I started off paying them 140 / hr for everything. Some were good and some were not, but I was always nice to all the ladies. Many I would never see again, but the word got around to where even the new girls wanted to "try me", just like the word got around to which guys are the jerks. In AMPs where I was a regular, I never had any problems like those posted here because of my reputation alone. Over time, some left the AMPs to work by themselves on the side from their own apartments, in which I became an exclusive VIP client of theirs. For the same or better services from the same quality chicks as the AMP, I paid 60-100 / hr. That is why Houston is probably the best monger city in America.
If that does not exist here in Atlanta, then I am glad to be moving on at the end of my contract here.
And by you being a jerk, you are just f*ing up for those of us trying to be nice to the chicks in hopes of better services and lower prices in the long run because 1 bad apple can ruin the bunch with examples like:
1) Big Pun getting a pissed off chick and ruining his experience because of some jerk she had before him.
2) I built some areépertoire with a chick which I hope to see again, but only to have a jerk run her off.
So what you see as a short term gain of smearing cum on the chick or playing the game of acting nice but messing things up, is costing more to the rest of us. And if everyone played your game, chicks would leave at a higher rate, and the going rate might even get higher as the supply gets lower than the demand. How many posts are there about how the quality of chicks have gone down?
We all need to do the opposite and treat the girls nice so that they want to work more, which would lead to a higher supply than demand resulting in lower prices and better services in the long run.
I really hope my contract in Atlanta does not get re-newed since many here can not think past the 5 seconds after they cum. And since Nite always have to have the last word, I won't respond to this anymore. [/QUOTE]You either didn't read my post or didn't comprehend it. Not sure which one.
Trust me on this, you don't want to be ever known as being "too nice" because to most girls this means you're a sucker just ripe for the picking. Unfortunately most of these girls become so jaded and hardened by the lifestyle that they don't know how to respond to nice guys. Trust me, I've experienced this. So BigMoney you're more likely to have a better experience if you find yourself a fuck buddy. They do exist but are so difficult to find. IMHO a fuck buddy friendship is the best thing going for me at this point.
[QUOTE=Big Money; 1110790]You poor soul.
Did your Momma never teach you to play nice with others?
Or have you always just been an misogynist?
Since you are only interested in yourself, here is some thing maybe you have not considered or I have not seen many postings here on the Atlanta board:
Have you ever thought that being nice to the ladies (and not be a jerk) might pay off in better services and lower prices in the long run?
As I have mentioned before with my examples with Houston AMP chicks, sure I started off paying them 140 / hr for everything. Some were good and some were not, but I was always nice to all the ladies. Many I would never see again, but the word got around to where even the new girls wanted to "try me", just like the word got around to which guys are the jerks. In AMPs where I was a regular, I never had any problems like those posted here because of my reputation alone. Over time, some left the AMPs to work by themselves on the side from their own apartments, in which I became an exclusive VIP client of theirs. For the same or better services from the same quality chicks as the AMP, I paid 60-100 / hr. That is why Houston is probably the best monger city in America.
If that does not exist here in Atlanta, then I am glad to be moving on at the end of my contract here.
And by you being a jerk, you are just f*ing up for those of us trying to be nice to the chicks in hopes of better services and lower prices in the long run because 1 bad apple can ruin the bunch with examples like:
1) Big Pun getting a pissed off chick and ruining his experience because of some jerk she had before him.
2) I built some areépertoire with a chick which I hope to see again, but only to have a jerk run her off.
So what you see as a short term gain of smearing cum on the chick or playing the game of acting nice but messing things up, is costing more to the rest of us. And if everyone played your game, chicks would leave at a higher rate, and the going rate might even get higher as the supply gets lower than the demand. How many posts are there about how the quality of chicks have gone down?
We all need to do the opposite and treat the girls nice so that they want to work more, which would lead to a higher supply than demand resulting in lower prices and better services in the long run.
I really hope my contract in Atlanta does not get re-newed since many here can not think past the 5 seconds after they cum. And since Nite always have to have the last word, I won't respond to this anymore. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Atlasiangirth; 1109959]Actually Nite, the girls just can't get up and go if they don't like the lifestyle. You kinda make it sound like they can go to the classifieds and get an interview or do something else. The girls have no other options. The girls are stuck doing this because they were either forced in this situation, whether it was being sold like slaves, kidnapped, or whatever horrible situation that exist out there. There are some that do this because of needing money but it's a very small percentage. I know some of these girls that do it to get a green card in the USA but, again, it's a very small percentage. I have a few buddies that own parlors in Texas and they tell me the low down. All the girls are shipped from city to city every few few months and they get paid like shit. Most if not all the girls live at the AMP all jammed in a small room with sleeping bags and blankets all over the floor. They are not treated the way you think.
Now the thing is that I can understand the frustration with a girl not doing what you told her to do if SHE DID agree upon it. However, we fall into the category of telling her what to do and expecting it to happen after payment is given. Most of the time, she doesn't even know what the hell you're saying.
However, if you had any type of compassion, you would cut them some slack, leave, and know that next time you will not go to her. Her losing your business will hurt her more than you bitching at the mamasan because of her cut (money) being so low. Once she sees the funds decreasing on a weekly basis, she'll either change for the better or get shipped out.
I feel like us mongers treat these AMP girls worst than how we would treat the SC girls and even SW girls. Maybe because we can get away with it more? I wish I can yell at management about getting my money back at a Strip Club for a dancer not giving what was discussed in VIP (and also upselling and all that other bullshit they do to you when in the VIP) but I'd probably get my ass thrown out from a bouncer for doing so. Yelling at an SW for what was discussed wouldn't matter because she simply wouldn't give a flying fuck. Either way, AMP girls are a blessing and I wouldn't like to abuse it in anyway.
I don't know, that's how I look at it.
No disrespect Nite because you are the man[/QUOTE]I'll post some background about how many of the K-chicks end up in the AMPs based on what I have learned in more than 30 years of mongering as there seem to be some ignorance about the AMP K-chicks.
About 60% of the K-chicks that work in AMPs came to the US thru military marriages. No, their original goal was not to work in AMPs, but to build a future with their husbands and migrate their relatives to the US. On average for every K-chick marrying an American GI, she would bring another 10 of her Korean relatives to the US. Simple example is Fort Hood in Killeen, Texas, where the population is about 120,000, with 30K military personnels but with 60K Korean population.
Now, most of the K-chicks that married American GIs are not the most educated of the bunch. Most were bar girls or run thrift shops near the US base, etc. And with the military marriages having a higher than the 50% national average divorce rate, most of these K-chicks end up being 30s to 40s year old old maids with little marketable skills, and having kids to take care of. With the structured military pay, child support is barely sustenance level, plus they get kicked out of the military housing. And not to mention that some have to support the other 10 relatives that they brought over. About 60% of the AMP K-chicks in San Antonio, Dallas and Houston all have this similar background. I mentioned that to some of the K-chicks here and they too had something similar, or could empathize.
Another 10% of the AMP K-chicks would be relatives that were brought over from the original 60%. They were first brought over maybe to study English and get into college, etc. But they failed to make the grades so they did not learn any marketable skills either along with their bad Engrish. But they end up somehow having the responsibility to support the family as well. So they go to work in AMPs.
Now there are another 10-15% that are second or third generation of the original 60%. These are the younger ones in their 20s that probably speak good English and have American attitude. I see a lot of these in southern California or NYC AMPs. They think that their pussies are worth more than gold. There background bears resemblance to the American crack ho's. Most were teen rebels, and many ended up pregnant early with their pimp's baby. And end up neglecting her own baby by having some relative take care of it. Most are in it just for their next high with some sending money to the relative to take care of her baby.
And finally there are another 10-15% that are here on 6-month visas to make quick money and return to Korea most likely for school, or are here on student visas going to school and working on the side. Most of these are in their 20s, and probably still speak with an accent, but are understandable at least. Although money for school seems like an extraneous cost here in the US, it is highly valued in Korea. Relatives would pool their money just so the one with the most potential could go to college. If they all fall short, the girl would rather go work 6-months in the US AMPs than to disappoint her relatives.
Over 90% of the K-chicks in the AMPs would fall under one of the 4 above categories. Very rarely is it an option, although I did have one telling me that she is working for a down payment on a house. I rarely go for the 20s but opt for the 30s or 40s because they have more vested interest in getting a regular clientele.
But Atlasiangirth is right that most live at the AMP when they are working. And what they are bound to is this agreement. Mamasan or the house owner would pay for the girl's airfare and hospice fee, for the sake of an example say, a 2-month stay. Don't forget most ladies come in with nothing. During the agreed 2-month period, the lady is contractually bound to stay in the house 24/7. She works on tips and the house time (40 or 60) goes to the house to pay off the plane fare, hospice and the house cut. This is the reason mamasan says 100 tip is okay, but the ladies always want more. And if a customer complains or house rule is broken, the house penalizes the lady with a hefty fine like 200 to 300. And trust me, it is not unheard of for a lady to pay 2000 in penalty to the house in a month.
There are some occasion where the house makes agreement with other houses to rotate girls, or if the house owner already owns other houses, and he could rotate them there. But the lady is essentially the house property until the contract agreement period is fulfilled. After the agreement date, that is usually when the lady is allowed to go shopping, or run errands. On rare occasion, they may bring in a fugly that the house can not re-coup its airfare or hospice fee to break even on the lady. In which case, they would just send the lady home at a lost. Ladies who are more resourceful end up paying their own way, but this is about less than 10% of working girls. Or if they live locally, they just drive to work, but this is equally less likely at less than 10%, because they don't want to run into customers near where they live. There is a considerable percentage in which the lady will run away before the contractual date, but I don't have a good feel for that number.
The condition of living in an AMP house 24/7 for even 2-month sounds easy, but is most unbearable for normal people. If you worked 2-weeks on an oil platform, you know what I'm talking about. You have no privacy. You are stuck and can not go anywhere. You are in constant vigilance for LE, and in case of a bust, you have no where to run, or no one to bail you out. You have personality issues with other ladies or mamasan. You bicker with others over why they make more or less money. You have little to no rights-like you can't pick or choose which customers to serve.
And my guess is that this no choose of the customer is causing most of the problems here in Atlanta. This is the fundamental difference between AMPs and SWs or CL providers. SWs or CL providers can refuse to service you. AMP ladies can not for the most part. And it is this fundamental difference that makes the AMP chicks stressed out, and screwed up in the head in the long run. And the customers being jerks just adds to the unpleasantness of the job. And remember this is Atlanta where many houses were busted just a few months ago. This isn't Rio where hot chicks are cheaper by the dozen.
Sure they are there to make money and love a "nice guy" sucker. But as I've mentioned from my previous experiences, being nice can be better in the long term. It makes the job bearable for them. It makes them want to work even more. With more chicks working, that is more supply for mongers to choose from, and can even drive down the going rate. Not only that, your Momma would be proud of you for being nice.
So I repeat,
Customer Jerk. Ladies leave. Supply decrease. Cost increase.
Customer Nice. Ladies stay. Supply increase. Cost decrease
[QUOTE=ShortFoot;1110814]Trust me on this, you don't want to be ever known as being "too nice" because to most girls this means you're a sucker just ripe for the picking. Unfortunately most of these girls become so jaded and hardened by the lifestyle that they don't know how to respond to nice guys. Trust me, I've experienced this. So BigMoney you're more likely to have a better experience if you find yourself a fuck buddy. They do exist but are so difficult to find. IMHO a fuck buddy friendship is the best thing going for me at this point.[/QUOTE]ShortFoot,
I think you right I am known around these Spas as a guy that love Asians girls with meat on their asses and that I will ONLY pay $160 and I will act a fool if a chick try to cut my time short or try to rush me to cum or anything that will piss me off that I will tell their boss.
But, if I was here in Atlanta alone on my company dime I would get me a fresh haircut and dress up all nice and hit some bars, nightclubs or join a gym and pick up some chicks and find a fuck buddy BUT spending time in money trying to be a nice guy to a bunch of AMP chicks that change locations every few weeks is a waste of time to me.
I rather be label as a asshoe, jerk, a mean guy etc. That don't put up with any bullshit from these girls then a sweet nice guy they can run all over and play silly games with me.
To me no matter were I go be it a local AMP, or Rio, Costa Rica, Panama, Thailand all of the managers know I am cool and don't look for trouble BUT I won't put up with any Bullshit.
I had a girl once in Rio that told me she will give me anal if I pick her she was all sweet and nice at the boite / bar area I was cool too she even took my dick out and played with it under the table so I pick her, BUT when I got to the room and after fucking her for 30mins I rolled her over for that ass then she said, I am sorry baby your dick to big for my ass sorry baby WTF I got up grab a towel ran out the room BUTT NAKED to the front desk and told the manager what happen they said, ok go back to the room I bring 7 girls up for you to pick from that I will make sure will make you happy and I will void this session you not pay anything.
I ended up picking this dime with a perfect ass allowed me to do whatever I wanted to on her pull hair smack her ass, anal you name it, she even brought up a bucket of beer the manager sent up with her.
You see to me IF I would have allowed her to play me like that and got paid, and didn't give me or even try to give me that ass she would run that game on others since I told her boss about it and she didn't get any money that taught her a lesson not to lie to tricks from now on.
Each time I go back to that place in Rio the boss runs out and shake my hand ask me was everything good was I happy etc, sometimes you have to let them know you aren't some ass kissing simp these wh#res can make a fool out of, I don't ever act a fool unless they make me act one 1st.
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=Big Money; 1110861]I'll post some background about how many of the K-chicks end up in the AMPs based on what I have learned in more than 30 years of mongering as there seem to be some ignorance about the AMP K-chicks.
About 60% of the K-chicks that work in AMPs came to America thru military marriages. No, their original goal was not to work in AMPs, but to build a future with their husbands and migrate their relatives to the US. On average for every K-chick marrying an American GI, she would bring another 10 of her Korean relatives to the US. Simple example is Fort Hood in Killeen, Texas, where the population is about 120, 000, but with 60K Korean population.
Now, most of the K-chicks that married American GIs are not the most educated of the bunch. Most were bar girls or run thrift shops near the US base, etc. And with the military marriages having a higher than the 50% national average divorce rate, most of these K-chicks end up being 30s to 40s year old old maids with little marketable skills, and having kids to take care of. With the structured military pay, child support is barely sustenance level, plus they get kicked out of the military housing. And not to mention that some have to support the other 10 relatives that they brought over. About 60% of the AMP K-chicks in San Antonio, Dallas and Houston all have this similar background. I mentioned that to some of the K-chicks here and they too had something similar, or could empathize.
Another 10% of the AMP K-chicks would be relatives that were brought over from the original 60. They were first brought over maybe to study English and get into college, etc. But they failed to make the grades so they did not learn any marketable skills either along with their bad Engrish. But they end up somehow having the responsibility to support the family as well. So they go to work in AMPs.
Now there are another 10-15% that are second or third generation of the original 60. These are the younger ones in their 20s that probably speak good English and have American attitude. I see a lot of these in southern California or NYC AMPs. They think that their pussies are worth more than gold. There background bears resemblance to the American crack ho's. Most were teen rebels, and many ended up pregnant early with their pimp's baby. And end up neglecting her own baby by having some relative take care of it. Most are in it just for their next high with some sending money to the relative to take care of her baby.
And finally there are another 10-15% that are here on 6-month visas to make quick money and return to Korea most likely for school, or are here on student visas going to school and working on the side. Most of these are in their 20s, and probably still speak with an accent, but are understandable at least. Although money for school seems like an extraneous cost here in the US, it is highly valued in Korea. Relatives would pool their money just so the one with the most potential could go to college. If they all fall short, the girl would rather go work 6-months in the US AMPs than to disappoint her relatives.
Over 90% of the K-chicks in the AMPs would fall under one of the 4 above categories. Very rarely is it an option, although I did have one telling me that she is working for a down payment on a house. I rarely go for the 20s but opt for the 30s or 40s because they have more vested interest in getting a regular clientele.
But Atlasiangirth is right that most live at the AMP when they are working. And what they are bound to is this agreement. Mamasan or the house owner would pay for the girl's airfare and hospice fee, for the sake of an example say, a 2-month stay. Don't forget most ladies come in with nothing. During the agreed 2-month period, the lady is contractually bound to stay in the house 24/7. She works on tips and the house time (40 or 60) goes to the house to pay off the plane fare, hospice and the house cut. This is the reason mamasan says 100 tip is okay, but the ladies always want more. And if a customer complains or house rule is broken, the house penalizes the lady with a hefty fine like 200 to 300. And trust me, it is not unheard of for a lady to pay 2000 in penalty to the house in a month.
There are some occasion where the house make agreement with other houses to rotate girls, or if the house owner already owns other houses, and he could rotate them there. But the lady is essentially the house property until the contract agreement period is fulfilled. After the agreement date, that is usually when the lady is allowed to go shopping, or run errands. On rare occasion, they may bring in a fugly that the house can not re-coup its airfare or hospice fee to break even on the lady. In which case, they would just send the lady home at a lost. Ladies who are more resourceful end up paying their own way, but this is about less than 10% of working girls. Or if they live locally, they just drive to work, but this is equally less likely at less than 10, because they don't want to run into customers near where they live. There is a considerable percentage in which the lady will run away before the contractual date.
The condition of living in an AMP house 24/7 for even 2-month sounds easy, but is most unbearable for normal people. If you worked 2-weeks on an oil platform, you know what I'm talking about. You have no privacy. You are stuck and can not go anywhere. You are in constant vigilance for LE, and in case of a bust, you have no where to run, or no one to bail you out. You have little to no rights-like you can't pick or choose which customers to serve.
And my guess is that this no choose of the customer is causing most of the problems here in Atlanta. This is the fundamental difference between AMPs and SWs or CL providers. SWs or CL providers can refuse to service you. AMP ladies can not for the most part. And it is this fundamental difference that makes the AMP chicks stressed out, and screwed up in the head in the long run.
Sure they are there to make money and love a "nice guy" sucker. But as I've mentioned from my previous experiences, being nice can be better in the long term. It makes the job bearable for them. It makes them want to work even more. With more chicks working, that is more supply for mongers to choose from, and can even drive down the going rate.
So I repeat,
Customer Jerk. Ladies leave. Supply decrease. Cost increase.
Customer Nice. Ladies stay. Supply increase. Cost decrease[/QUOTE]Big Money,
Good post, thanks for taking the time to post some of it I agree and some I don't I can understand most of your case study come from you living in Texas in a mostly Army base location and I know there are a few Air Force bases there too, me being ex Navy and being station around the world you didn't see many sailors getting married to Korean chicks most married girls from the P. I, so were are the P. I. Spas around the Naval bases? You don't see them.
I wish I got a dime each time I ended up fucking one of these dumb sailors wife he pick up from a bar he is going to save from the life, IF you look around Atlanta all you see are broken down ugly looking 40 year old women working here LOL
Maybe what you saying is the case around Army bases maybe if we had a HUGE Army base maybe we would get younger looking girls working in them and send these old woman into retirement LOL.
I really think most of these girls that work in Gold's come here on tourist Visa's and sell ass and than return later for a few more weeks, and as far as a girl having to fuck anything that walk in the door even if it's a 300lb ape forget it lol there is a reason WHY there are TV's and two-way mirrors were the girls can see you before you get buzz in, all they do is hide out in one of the rooms until you leave why is it once you walk out you hear guys talking about all the dimes they see walking around lol
I know tons of Brazilian girls and I am friends with almost 270 of them on face book, I met many over the decades and you should see how many have came here to the states on Visa's that some dumb ass gringo spent his money on to only have her calling up horny ex tricks she knew in Rio and she having them fly her around the USA to stay a week or two here and there, many are here in Atlanta now sleeping with different guys until he finds out she fucking half his crew when he at work.
So, I see your point but with suckers marrying girls they met on these mail order braids site, and clowns going to Thailand and Rio falling in love with hookers you see more and more who#es here in the states now without getting married to Army guys, as long as there are Obese, bald, short, NERDED, geeks here in the states you will find young, ex hookers here in the states looking for a way to upgrade her life style.
I have a quick one for you there a well known hooker that have turned tricks in Costa Rica for years now she hit the lotto and married some Hollywood actor son she met him when he was on vacation in Costa Rica she met him at the mall, I still chat with her on facebook when she online and to others I know from other countries.
The bottom line is why it seem these K-girls are the ones that always seem to find their way right back in a massage parlors fucking jerks, geeks, nerds all day LOL and these other ex hookers from other countries like Costa Rica, Brazil, Colombia are doing so much better here in the states either they open up a hair salons, food places, nail shops, dry cleaners etc. Or they still married to the trick they married and just stay at home and keep it clean.
BUT, look I am saying this not to hurt anyone feelings but from what I seen over the years walking out of these spas you only have about two types of tricks the married fit in shape business guy looking to release some stress and want some different pussy, or you have the single guy that can only get ass by paying for it he get used by females so much until he tells himself well you pay for it one way or the other he he, so no matter how sweet or nice you are to these chicks the bottom line is money and if you going there paying for ass most of these girls hate you anyways either you cheating on your wife or girlfriend or THEY think you must be a goof ball that can't get or keep a woman so no matter what you do by kissing their ass and bringing them flowers etc. They don't or won't respect you they will smile and laugh at your corny jokes but at the end of the day you paying them not them paying you.
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=Big Money; 1110790].
I really hope my contract in Atlanta does not get re-newed since many here can not think past the 5 seconds after they cum. . [/QUOTE]I don't really have much of an opinion on strategies on how best to maximize mileage with K ladies. Especially given how frequently they come and go. Not buying the argument that "word gets around" to the new girls about a specific monger. These girls don't remember guys names until they actually see them and recall seeing them, so how is the new girl to know? (LMAO at the conversation the girls must have. "Le-le, the guy called X is nice and the guy called Y is a SOB. Give X a break on his rates, because he is so nice. Good luck, I am going back to Korea now.")
Seriously, I figure any dude with sufficient green in his wallet has the right to decide how and under what circumstances to give out that green. Really don't see it as any of my business. I am just grateful to read about which places are legit and which places offer extras. Can't say I remember anything from NL or the others here asking how to go about mongering in Atl. I do seem to recall a post to that effect from Big Money though. Probably just poor recall on my part.
But something did strike me odd in Big Money's post, is he really saying he hopes he does not get a paying job renewed because he does not like the other mongers? In fairness, I think he was saying he hoped to not get renewed on a paying contract because he does not like how the other mongers treat the girls. Whether someone is new to mongering or has 30 years of experience, whether someone mongered extensively in Asia or during the military,. Nice reading but who gives a flip? Can we get back to where the better ATL places are NOW? I have been around long enough to say without hesitation, the ATL market has changed over the years and will continue to keep changing.
Does anyone seen either Julia or Sohpia around?
I went back to Maia but apparently it is now a history.
Please let me know.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Amp Fme;1111030]But something did strike me odd in Big Money's post, is he really saying he hopes he does not get a paying job renewed because he does not like the other mongers? In fairness, I think he was saying he hoped to not get renewed on a paying contract because he does not like how the other mongers treat the girls.[/QUOTE]I think he's saying that he's just ready to leave because the AMP scene in Atlanta has been quite terrible this year. And on top of that, the reports that Big Money reads on this board, he's been getting the sense that ALL of us Atlanta mongers are rude asshats whenever we're at an AMP. This is completely untrue and a misunderstanding on Big Money's part.
Nite lays everything out pretty clearly in his posts. Most of us are decent people and we visit AMPs just to have a good time. But let's not forget that we are paying customers and if we're met with rude attitudes as soon as we walk through that "second door", well I'm sorry if you're having a bad day but I'm not paying you to be a ***** to me. Big Pun's recent experience at Fuji is a perfect example of this. Now I would've left as soon as I met her and she was giving out bad vibes, but if I was thinking with my other head and went ahead with the session and sure enough this lady who I'm paying for a service is a complete ***** to me, then I'd be pissed too and walk out to tell the mamasan.
Now I'm not saying that there aren't any asshole mongers in this community. There are quite a few people on this board who I don't agree with and just from reading their reports, I can tell that they're not the most understanding type of people. But as the saying goes, it's only the small percentage of unsatisfied people who are the loudest in their complaints that you always hear from in any community.
So to Big Money I'm sorry that if you think all of us out here in Atlanta are jerks, but again that's a misunderstanding. There are some jerks here that you will always hear from, but even those people are only responding to the low quality bitchy AMP ladies that Atlanta has been plagued with recently. And I don't believe that the drop in quality and supply has anything to do with how mongers react to them, but rather the heavy LE crackdowns that's been going on here lately. I still think we have it good in Atlanta as far as service / prices go because I've been out to CA, NY, FL, Vegas this year and the AMPs there are either more expensive or the service isn't any different than what I can get here. I've never been out to TX, but if the AMPs there are amazing as Big Money tells us, I may have to visit next year.
[QUOTE=Big Money; 1110861]I'll post some background about how many of the K-chicks end up in the AMPs based on what I have learned in more than 30 years of mongering as there seem to be some ignorance about the AMP K-chicks.
About 60% of the K-chicks that work in AMPs came to the US thru military marriages. No, their original goal was not to work in AMPs, but to build a future with their husbands and migrate their relatives to the US. On average for every K-chick marrying an American GI, she would bring another 10 of her Korean relatives to the US. Simple example is Fort Hood in Killeen, Texas, where the population is about 120, 000, with 30K military personnels but with 60K Korean population.
Now, most of the K-chicks that married American GIs are not the most educated of the bunch. Most were bar girls or run thrift shops near the US base, etc. And with the military marriages having a higher than the 50% national average divorce rate, most of these K-chicks end up being 30s to 40s year old old maids with little marketable skills, and having kids to take care of. With the structured military pay, child support is barely sustenance level, plus they get kicked out of the military housing. And not to mention that some have to support the other 10 relatives that they brought over. About 60% of the AMP K-chicks in San Antonio, Dallas and Houston all have this similar background. I mentioned that to some of the K-chicks here and they too had something similar, or could empathize.
Another 10% of the AMP K-chicks would be relatives that were brought over from the original 60. They were first brought over maybe to study English and get into college, etc. But they failed to make the grades so they did not learn any marketable skills either along with their bad Engrish. But they end up somehow having the responsibility to support the family as well. So they go to work in AMPs.
Now there are another 10-15% that are second or third generation of the original 60. These are the younger ones in their 20s that probably speak good English and have American attitude. I see a lot of these in southern California or NYC AMPs. They think that their pussies are worth more than gold. There background bears resemblance to the American crack ho's. Most were teen rebels, and many ended up pregnant early with their pimp's baby. And end up neglecting her own baby by having some relative take care of it. Most are in it just for their next high with some sending money to the relative to take care of her baby.
And finally there are another 10-15% that are here on 6-month visas to make quick money and return to Korea most likely for school, or are here on student visas going to school and working on the side. Most of these are in their 20s, and probably still speak with an accent, but are understandable at least. Although money for school seems like an extraneous cost here in the US, it is highly valued in Korea. Relatives would pool their money just so the one with the most potential could go to college. If they all fall short, the girl would rather go work 6-months in the US AMPs than to disappoint her relatives.
Over 90% of the K-chicks in the AMPs would fall under one of the 4 above categories. Very rarely is it an option, although I did have one telling me that she is working for a down payment on a house. I rarely go for the 20s but opt for the 30s or 40s because they have more vested interest in getting a regular clientele.
But Atlasiangirth is right that most live at the AMP when they are working. And what they are bound to is this agreement. Mamasan or the house owner would pay for the girl's airfare and hospice fee, for the sake of an example say, a 2-month stay. Don't forget most ladies come in with nothing. During the agreed 2-month period, the lady is contractually bound to stay in the house 24/7. She works on tips and the house time (40 or 60) goes to the house to pay off the plane fare, hospice and the house cut. This is the reason mamasan says 100 tip is okay, but the ladies always want more. And if a customer complains or house rule is broken, the house penalizes the lady with a hefty fine like 200 to 300. And trust me, it is not unheard of for a lady to pay 2000 in penalty to the house in a month.
There are some occasion where the house makes agreement with other houses to rotate girls, or if the house owner already owns other houses, and he could rotate them there. But the lady is essentially the house property until the contract agreement period is fulfilled. After the agreement date, that is usually when the lady is allowed to go shopping, or run errands. On rare occasion, they may bring in a fugly that the house can not re-coup its airfare or hospice fee to break even on the lady. In which case, they would just send the lady home at a lost. Ladies who are more resourceful end up paying their own way, but this is about less than 10% of working girls. Or if they live locally, they just drive to work, but this is equally less likely at less than 10, because they don't want to run into customers near where they live. There is a considerable percentage in which the lady will run away before the contractual date, but I don't have a good feel for that number.
The condition of living in an AMP house 24/7 for even 2-month sounds easy, but is most unbearable for normal people. If you worked 2-weeks on an oil platform, you know what I'm talking about. You have no privacy. You are stuck and can not go anywhere. You are in constant vigilance for LE, and in case of a bust, you have no where to run, or no one to bail you out. You have personality issues with other ladies or mamasan. You bicker with others over why they make more or less money. You have little to no rights-like you can't pick or choose which customers to serve.
And my guess is that this no choose of the customer is causing most of the problems here in Atlanta. This is the fundamental difference between AMPs and SWs or CL providers. SWs or CL providers can refuse to service you. AMP ladies can not for the most part. And it is this fundamental difference that makes the AMP chicks stressed out, and screwed up in the head in the long run. And the customers being jerks just adds to the unpleasantness of the job. And remember this is Atlanta where many houses were busted just a few months ago. This isn't Rio where hot chicks are cheaper by the dozen.
Sure they are there to make money and love a "nice guy" sucker. But as I've mentioned from my previous experiences, being nice can be better in the long term. It makes the job bearable for them. It makes them want to work even more. With more chicks working, that is more supply for mongers to choose from, and can even drive down the going rate. Not only that, your Momma would be proud of you for being nice.
So I repeat,
Customer Jerk. Ladies leave. Supply decrease. Cost increase.
Customer Nice. Ladies stay. Supply increase. Cost decrease[/QUOTE]Damn.
If your report is true, my intel is way off from the guy who told me. Either way, the point was that they live a pretty shitty life and if they had other options than sucking mongers dicks, I'm sure they'd be doing it.
Either way, love the intel and posts from everybody and appreciate all the advice.
Be Safe
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1110613]WOW! LOL LOL LOL
I have a main lady in my life and I don't and won't kiss a wh#re in her mouth after she just took 40oz. Of cum from some monger just before I got there or when she left the next room or after she licked out some obese monger that just gone to Taco Bell LOL LOL.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]Alway remember "one mans ho is always another mans house wife" al women have an inner ho that comes out to play at different times for different reasons and no man can change that.
[QUOTE=Gag on It;1111134]Alway remember "one mans ho is always another mans house wife" al women have an inner ho that comes out to play at different times for different reasons and no man can change that.[/QUOTE]What's up Gag on It? It's always good to hear from you bro, I agree with a lot of what you said, BUT I feel a guys wife should be the working girl to and for her man / husband in the bedroom and not still whoring around when she still getting and letting some poor simp / trick support her.
BUT, when I go on and log on to facebook I shouldn't see or have a guys wife trying to chat with me or trying to hook up with me when her husband is doing everything for her there is a girl from Brazil I know that married a football player that lives in Sugarloaf whenever it's a away game she is trickin with some guy she met in Rio thats now lives in Atlanta she calling me and others to go over there or meet her to party and have sex with her, this just goes to show you that you can have millions and live in a mansion BUT you can't change that working girl into a housewife.
Kid Cisco
I have worked in the Spas for fifteen years and I agree with you fort the first part of your post. I've worked in many Spas all over the country, especially Atlanta. I've never had a Spa buy my airplane ticket or pay for me to work there. In most Spas we pay for room and board. Then we have to pay a tip to the managers and the kitchen mama. In some places the house fee goes to the house and the tip to the girls but in Atlanta everything is split 50/50.
I've worked with many Korean girls, Thai Girls and so on but I never heard of a case where the girl didn't have the freedom to pick and choose where they work or quit whenever they felt like it. You are correct in saying that when we are working in the spa we tend to live there until we quit (on vacation) because most of us go to work in a different state then where we live. Many girls do send a portion of their money home to the people they support but a lot more waste their money on gambling, drinking, name brand items and jobless Korean boyfriends. I just broke my friendship with one Korean girl because she wanted me to help scam some poor guy that she knew and had received money from before.
I agree that treating the girls nicely normally works in getting better service but there are a lot of bad apples out there that don't care. And you guys if you do get lousy service please complain or stand up for yourselves otherwise the management won't know to get rid of that bad apple.
AMP Girl
[QUOTE=Sarasate2000; 1111056]Does anyone seen either Julia or Sohpia around?
I went back to Maia but apparently it is now a history.
Please let me know.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I've heard from a few guys that the former Maia hotties are long gone but that they re-opened after the bust and were functioning with just one old mamasan providing services. Have you confirmed that they've shut down for good?
[QUOTE=Devontei234; 1111123]I think he's saying that he's just ready to leave because the AMP scene in Atlanta has been quite terrible this year. And on top of that, the reports that Big Money reads on this board, he's been getting the sense that ALL of us Atlanta mongers are rude asshats whenever we're at an AMP. This is completely untrue and a misunderstanding on Big Money's part.
Nite lays everything out pretty clearly in his posts. Most of us are decent people and we visit AMPs just to have a good time. But let's not forget that we are paying customers and if we're met with rude attitudes as soon as we walk through that "second door", well I'm sorry if you're having a bad day but I'm not paying you to be a * to me. Big Pun's recent experience at Fuji is a perfect example of this. Now I would've left as soon as I met her and she was giving out bad vibes, but if I was thinking with my other head and went ahead with the session and sure enough this lady who I'm paying for a service is a complete * to me, then I'd be pissed too and walk out to tell the mamasan.
Now I'm not saying that there aren't any asshole mongers in this community. There are quite a few people on this board who I don't agree with and just from reading their reports, I can tell that they're not the most understanding type of people. But as the saying goes, it's only the small percentage of unsatisfied people who are the loudest in their complaints that you always hear from in any community.
So to Big Money I'm sorry that if you think all of us out here in Atlanta are jerks, but again that's a misunderstanding. There are some jerks here that you will always hear from, but even those people are only responding to the low quality bitchy AMP ladies that Atlanta has been plagued with recently. And I don't believe that the drop in quality and supply has anything to do with how mongers react to them, but rather the heavy LE crackdowns that's been going on here lately. I still think we have it good in Atlanta as far as service / prices go because I've been out to CA, NY, FL, Vegas this year and the AMPs there are either more expensive or the service isn't any different than what I can get here. I've never been out to TX, but if the AMPs there are amazing as Big Money tells us, I may have to visit next year. [/QUOTE]Shit, that's basically what I've said all along but some have failed to comprehend basic English. .
[QUOTE=Humble81;1110795]Went to Tong Tong in Duluth today, got a massage from a girl named WeiWei, looks 40's. She did the pretend like she didn't normally do HJ routine for like 10 whole minutes. The massage and HE were both uninspiring. I paid for an hour and added an extra Andrew Jackson for the ending. I might go back there whenever low on cash.[/QUOTE]That was my experience as well. The Tong Tong women leave a lot to be desired. Would be great to have a few AMPs with FS who are run by other Asian groups (non-Korean) to see if they could inspire a little friendly competition.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1111324]That was my experience as well. The Tong Tong women leave a lot to be desired. Would be great to have a few AMPs with FS who are run by other Asian groups (non-Korean) to see if they could inspire a little friendly competition.[/QUOTE]Actually, does you or anyone know any massage parlors that have European girls (Russians). I thought these were the ladies that started this business but yet I haven't heard much intel about them in the ATL. Does anyone know of the parlors in the area? Are the prices and service the same as the AMP's in the ATL?
[QUOTE=Atlasiangirth;1111417]Actually, does you or anyone know any massage parlors that have European girls (Russians). I thought these were the ladies that started this business but yet I haven't heard much intel about them in the ATL. Does anyone know of the parlors in the area? Are the prices and service the same as the AMP's in the ATL?[/QUOTE]Yeah, but none of them offer extras. There's the infamous Irina in Roswell. She and her girls look hot and do a very thorough massage and TS, but no HJ for $140. I tried them one time. The masseuse I had was hot as hell, gave a great massage, then a thorough TS but would not give me a HJ. The closest I got was DIY with her rubbing my balls.
There's another place always advertising on Shallowford Road in a converted house. They offer massage for $60 / hh and $100 / hr but they remain fully clothed don't even allow roaming outside of their clothing. No HJ there either.
There's at least one more place in the Roswell area that I've seen ads for on either BP or CL but they sounded legit on the phone.
Do a search on BP and / or CL for "European" "Europe" "Russian" or similar words and you'll find the ads.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr; 1111463]Yeah, but none of them offer extras. There's the infamous Irina in Roswell. She and her girls look hot and do a very thorough massage and TS, but no HJ for $140. I tried them one time. The masseuse I had was hot as hell, gave a great massage, then a thorough TS but would not give me a HJ. The closest I got was DIY with her rubbing my balls.
There's another place always advertising on Shallowford Road in a converted house. They offer massage for $60 / hh and $100 / hr but they remain fully clothed don't even allow roaming outside of their clothing. No HJ there either.
There's at least one more place in the Roswell area that I've seen ads for on either BP or CL but they sounded legit on the phone.
Do a search on BP and / or CL for "European" "Europe" "Russian" or similar words and you'll find the ads. [/QUOTE]Nite.
Thanks for the heads up. With that intel, I don't even think its worth 2 minutes of my time to look up if the best thing you got was a DIY with a nut rubbing action for. Damn, I would like to change it up a little with some white meat but I guess beggars can't be choosers.
[QUOTE=Atlasiangirth; 1111481]Nite.
Thanks for the heads up. With that intel, I don't even think its worth 2 minutes of my time to look up if the best thing you got was a DIY with a nut rubbing action for. Damn, I would like to change it up a little with some white meat but I guess beggars can't be choosers. [/QUOTE]European women know they're a hot commodity amongst Caucasian women and know they can charge pretty much what they want without offering extras and get away with it. Too many guys interested in trying that overseas mystique which usually turns out to be a disappointment. Instead of looking for AMP-type situations with Europeans, it's better to hunt for an individual provider and hope she'll offer extras. They're rare but the occasional one can be found.
[QUOTE=Jasmine Smith; 1111288]I have worked in the Spas for fifteen years and I agree with you fort the first part of your post. I've worked in many Spas all over the country, especially Atlanta. I've never had a Spa buy my airplane ticket or pay for me to work there. In most Spas we pay for room and board. Then we have to pay a tip to the managers and the kitchen mama. In some places the house fee goes to the house and the tip to the girls but in Atlanta everything is split 50/50.
I've worked with many Korean girls, Thai Girls and so on but I never heard of a case where the girl didn't have the freedom to pick and choose where they work or quit whenever they felt like it. You are correct in saying that when we are working in the spa we tend to live there until we quit (on vacation) because most of us go to work in a different state then where we live. Many girls do send a portion of their money home to the people they support but a lot more waste their money on gambling, drinking, name brand items and jobless Korean boyfriends. I just broke my friendship with one Korean girl because she wanted me to help scam some poor guy that she knew and had received money from before.
I agree that treating the girls nicely normally works in getting better service but there are a lot of bad apples out there that don't care. And you guys if you do get lousy service please complain or stand up for yourselves otherwise the management won't know to get rid of that bad apple.
AMP Girl[/QUOTE]That's pretty well said. I always treat the girl with kindness and respect. It's a tough job and they don't need some asshole making it worse. However if the girl has a bad attitude, rushes the session, or gives bad service I always let the manager know. If things get better great and if they don't I let them know I won't be back. And then take my business elsewhere.
MJ
Does anyone know anything about this massage. It seems like it may be legit. I saw a couple reviews on another site but they didn't say enough. I couldn't find anything on here.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/BodyRubs/start-your-week-off-feeling-less-stressed-great-specials-27/7059071[/url]
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1111689]European women know they're a hot commodity amongst Caucasian women and know they can charge pretty much what they want without offering extras and get away with it. Too many guys interested in trying that overseas mystique which usually turns out to be a disappointment. Instead of looking for AMP-type situations with Europeans, it's better to hunt for an individual provider and hope she'll offer extras. They're rare but the occasional one can be found.[/QUOTE]You right, here all a chick have to say is she from Germany or Russia or anywhere overseas and guys run to the ATM LOL, and then get fuck up service.
The funny thing is 9 hours from here they have anywhere from 17-30 massage / who#e houses with up to 200 fine ass Germany / Russian girls and other European girls that will let you do anal on them and all type of stuff to them for about 80-100 bucks BUT here that same chick want around $200 just to run some warm water over you and give you a half ass massage LOL LOL.
I have my mind made up after I redo my kitchen with top of the line new counter tops, floors, lights, etc. I am going to Germany and do some FKK clubs were they feed you or you can go swimming get a massage and go to a open bar and pick up some fine ass for $100! I AM SICK OF THESE EX-EUROPEAN WH#RES coming here and playing like they are sweet nice girls when they were over in Germany licking tricks hairy balls and allowing guys to nut all over their face for a living less than a year ago.
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1111767]You right, here all a chick have to say is she from Germany or Russia or anywhere overseas and guys run to the ATM LOL, and then get fuck up service.
The funny thing is 9 hours from here they have anywhere from 17-30 massage / who#e houses with up to 200 fine ass Germany / Russian girls and other European girls that will let you do anal on them and all type of stuff to them for about 80-100 bucks BUT here that same chick want around $200 just to run some warm water over you and give you a half ass massage LOL LOL.
I have my mind made up after I redo my kitchen with top of the line new counter tops, floors, lights, etc. I am going to Germany and do some FKK clubs were they feed you or you can go swimming get a massage and go to a open bar and pick up some fine ass for $100! I AM SICK OF THESE EX-EUROPEAN WH#RES coming here and playing like they are sweet nice girls when they were over in Germany licking tricks hairy balls and allowing guys to nut all over their face for a living less than a year ago.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]FKK women only charge $100 nowadays? Last time I was in Germany was in 1986 and it seemed the price wasn't much less back then. Still, I'd rather hit up an FKK than a regular whorehouse if service quality is still the same. I remember everything at the whorehouses being a la carte or, as we like to call it here, an upsell. The whole process was so rigid: The standard 40- or 50-Mark fee was for mish only, bra removal was an upcharge, CBJ (BBBJ wasn't allowed) was an upcharge, as were position changes with most of the German women. If a monger protested, the security guy would show up with a German shepherd and the dude would be rudely escorted out with the dog nipping at his heels. Not fun. Happened to me more than once.
The German women could be seriously rude bytches. I found I was better off finding the rare Asian or other non-German women at whorehouses. And, for some reason they always kept the fat African and Brazilian women on the upper floors of the Frankfurt whorehouses. If one of them grabbed your arm, others would help her drag your ass into the room. Hard to pull away from the combined efforts of 600 lbs. Of women.
The alternatives were the FKK clubs, independents in local "top model" newspaper ads or heading up to Amsterdam for the weekend. If a dude only had a few bucks he could go to a local "Spiel Salon" where they had the small, private booths surrounding a rotating platform. Just pop in a few coins, the window opens and jack off to the woman stripping on the platform.
I wonder if the Reeperbahn is still active in that northern German city? Can't remember if it was in Bremerhaven or some other city but there were bars all over, some with live sex shows. Others were more subtle where you could walk in, sit down at the bar with a beer and a working girl would come over and hustle you up, then you could retreat to a huge back room with a giant cushion covering the entire floorspace and you could bang her in public. Did that a couple of times as well.
If you go be sure to hit up local bars and clubs. German women just love black dudes. Plenty of freebies.
[QUOTE=Humble81; 1111744]Does anyone know anything about this massage. It seems like it may be legit. I saw a couple reviews on another site but they didn't say enough. I couldn't find anything on here.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/BodyRubs/start-your-week-off-feeling-less-stressed-great-specials-27/7059071[/url]
[/QUOTE]For the price it does sound legit but could be a hidden gem. One thing you can do is give her a call and tell her you're looking for a nice massage with a sensual ending and see how she responds.
[QUOTE=Humble81; 1111744]Does anyone know anything about this massage. It seems like it may be legit. I saw a couple reviews on another site but they didn't say enough. I couldn't find anything on here.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/BodyRubs/start-your-week-off-feeling-less-stressed-great-specials-27/7059071[/url]
[/QUOTE]Definately not legit. Btb and HE is part of the base fee, upsells for BJ and FS but don't know rates
Anyone seen? PM is okay if you prefer.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/BodyRubs/two-for-tuesday-28/7672813[/url]
This one looks fake to me, but curious about service and what the actual lady looks like.
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[QUOTE=Humble81; 1111744]Does anyone know anything about this massage. It seems like it may be legit. I saw a couple reviews on another site but they didn't say enough. I couldn't find anything on here.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/BodyRubs/start-your-week-off-feeling-less-stressed-great-specials-27/7059071[/url]
[/QUOTE]Good option if you want to bust a quick one. Massage for about 20 min then Russian finish for the 50. I think she upsells for more.
I've seen people ask about this in the past but did not know if anyone had given them a try.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/BodyRubs/newesalen-massage-with-nuru-23/1480602[/url]
[QUOTE=Killakill;1112193]Good option if you want to bust a quick one. Massage for about 20 min then Russian finish for the 50. I think she upsells for more.[/QUOTE]How fat is she? The pics don't tell all.
[QUOTE=Romjester; 1112204]I've seen people ask about this in the past but did not know if anyone had given them a try.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/BodyRubs/newesalen-massage-with-nuru-23/1480602[/url]
[/QUOTE]Wow, $160 for a 60-min. Massage with no mention of FS and the prices skyrocket from there. Who does she think she is? IMO, she isn't even worth $160 for FS.
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[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1112304]Wow, $160 for a 60-min. Massage with no mention of FS and the prices skyrocket from there. Who does she think she is? IMO, she isn't even worth $160 for FS.[/QUOTE]She knows she is a woman living in atlanta a city known for its male overpopulation and men willing to over pay due to scarcity of options. Its that simple. These women don't even need to be cute or have a good attitude anymore cause they know that men here are desperate and willing to put up with this BS.
Even regular women who are not selling it have bad attitudes and are very demanding cause if they can get what they want from you they have 100 other guys offering them everything under the sun.
I don't do AMPs anymore high prices bad attitudes rushed service. And old used up females is the norm now
[QUOTE=Jasmine Smith;1111288]I've worked with many Korean girls, Thai Girls and so on but I never heard of a case where the girl didn't have the freedom to pick and choose where they work or quit whenever they felt like it. I agree that treating the girls nicely normally works in getting better service but there are a lot of bad apples out there that don't care. And you guys if you do get lousy service please complain or stand up for yourselves otherwise the management won't know to get rid of that bad apple. AMP Girl[/QUOTE]Thank you, AMP Girl. That was well written and I appreciate the information from someone who's in a position to know. As I tried to explain in my post (s) , I always start off being nice but when it becomes clear that the provider is not living up to her end of the bargain or is trying to take advantage, I will stand up for my rights. I will appeal to management in the future.
Captain Howdy
Seen her ads for a while but no reviews that I recall.
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[QUOTE=Niteluvr; 1111955]FKK women only charge $100 nowadays? Last time I was in Germany was in 1986 and it seemed the price wasn't much less back then. Still, I'd rather hit up an FKK than a regular whorehouse if service quality is still the same. I remember everything at the whorehouses being a la carte or, as we like to call it here, an upsell. The whole process was so rigid: The standard 40- or 50-Mark fee was for mish only, bra removal was an upcharge, CBJ (BBBJ wasn't allowed) was an upcharge, as were position changes with most of the German women. If a monger protested, the security guy would show up with a German shepherd and the dude would be rudely escorted out with the dog nipping at his heels. Not fun. Happened to me more than once.
The German women could be seriously rude bytches. I found I was better off finding the rare Asian or other non-German women at whorehouses. And, for some reason they always kept the fat African and Brazilian women on the upper floors of the Frankfurt whorehouses. If one of them grabbed your arm, others would help her drag your ass into the room. Hard to pull away from the combined efforts of 600 lbs. Of women.
The alternatives were the FKK clubs, independents in local "top model" newspaper ads or heading up to Amsterdam for the weekend. If a dude only had a few bucks he could go to a local "Spiel Salon" where they had the small, private booths surrounding a rotating platform. Just pop in a few coins, the window opens and jack off to the woman stripping on the platform.
I wonder if the Reeperbahn is still active in that northern German city? Can't remember if it was in Bremerhaven or some other city but there were bars all over, some with live sex shows. Others were more subtle where you could walk in, sit down at the bar with a beer and a working girl would come over and hustle you up, then you could retreat to a huge back room with a giant cushion covering the entire floorspace and you could bang her in public. Did that a couple of times as well.
If you go be sure to hit up local bars and clubs. German women just love black dudes. Plenty of freebies. [/QUOTE]Nite,
There are some great times to be had in Germany I can tell you know your way around over there right now the going rates at the FFK Clubs are 35-70 euros to get in you get to eat at all you can eat buffet and go to the bar for drinks you right, you have to take your time and pick the right girl and have to ask do they use a rubber for sucking or not, YES Nite they do give BBBJ now you just have to take your time and pick the right girl also you can ask do they do anal or allow you to suck on their tits or not and how many pops you have and how much time you have.
The prices range from 25-100 euros for 20-60 mins, that is the bench mark, now those are the prices in the FFK Clubs when you go to those RLD aka redlight area (EROS CENTER) you dealing with freelancers that's were things can get tricky and like you said you better off not picking a Germany girl IF you do pick one because they have some thick ones with nice thighs and asses BUT make sure she is young around 22-24 and new to the game older ones will try to charge you for taking off their bras etc, so I go for Dutch or Latina's and as far as the Africans they love to keep them at the VERY top floors or somewhere in some corner if you go around them half drunk they will rob your ass and take ALL your shit.
You right if you do act a fool inside the EROS CENTER they have some HUGE goons that will fuck you up if you try to have your way with the girls on try to get your money back etc. All she have to do is press a buzzer and you have anywhere from 3-7 goons running and racing up the stairs to kick your ass.
I try to deal with the FFK Clubs they more classy and girls are screen and tested, it's more relax etc.
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=Romjester; 1112204]I've seen people ask about this in the past but did not know if anyone had given them a try.
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[/QUOTE]Just a single provider, not a group. Met her at social event. Cute and nice. Pics are accurate of body, she does not like to have reviews. Another dude was there and said her Nuru service was good. But, I agree with NL. Her prices for services rendered is high.
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1112541]Nite,
There are some great times to be had in Germany I can tell you know your way around over there right now the going rates at the FFK Clubs are 35-70 euros to get in you get to eat at all you can eat buffet and go to the bar for drinks you right, you have to take your time and pick the right girl and have to ask do they use a rubber for sucking or not, YES Nite they do give BBBJ now you just have to take your time and pick the right girl also you can ask do they do anal or allow you to suck on their tits or not and how many pops you have and how much time you have.
The prices range from 25-100 euros for 20-60 mins, that is the bench mark, now those are the prices in the FFK Clubs when you go to those RLD aka redlight area (EROS CENTER) you dealing with freelancers that's were things can get tricky and like you said you better off not picking a Germany girl IF you do pick one because they have some thick ones with nice thighs and asses BUT make sure she is young around 22-24 and new to the game older ones will try to charge you for taking off their bras etc, so I go for Dutch or Latina's and as far as the Africans they love to keep them at the VERY top floors or somewhere in some corner if you go around them half drunk they will rob your ass and take ALL your shit.
You right if you do act a fool inside the EROS CENTER they have some HUGE goons that will fuck you up if you try to have your way with the girls on try to get your money back etc. All she have to do is press a buzzer and you have anywhere from 3-7 goons running and racing up the stairs to kick your ass.
I try to deal with the FFK Clubs they more classy and girls are screen and tested, it's more relax etc.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]I travel to Germany about once a year. Never been to FKK, what cities do you suggest?
[QUOTE=Popeofmypants; 1112487]Seen her ads for a while but no reviews that I recall.
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404. 997. 0803[/QUOTE]I've seen he ad too but at $150/60 min. For just a sensual massage, it's not worth it IMO.
[QUOTE=Amp Fme;1112647]I travel to Germany about once a year. Never been to FKK, what cities do you suggest?[/QUOTE]Kid Cisco would know the answer to that better than I would. I haven't been there since '86. Also, I would suggest subscribing (there's a fee) to Jackson's International Sex Guide because there's a lot of info on foreign countries there. I always use it to prep for overseas travel.