Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6502727]I think she wanted to meet one of our brethren directly at her hotel. Gave off pro vibes. High volume chick. He passed. I don't blame him. There was a post about her. Use the last 8 digits of the URL in the searchbar for this thread and the post should pop up.[/QUOTE]Hey HT, I chatted with her and reviewed that chat. She wanted me to pick her up and take her to a hotel directly. That may be perfect for some. She was polite at my decline. I did not get info on the donation because I'm not interested in that stuff these days. Happy hunting and ty for all the info.

WildBabydoll- she looks pretty naughty. I can't get a response back though. Has anyone chatted with, or seen her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e9cb58a6-4d5c-413a-b7b6-ea73d8fe2717[/URL]

Sugar babies have more knowledge around seeking now compared to 6-7 years ago. There's Youtube channels, tik tok, reddit, word of mouth, etc. Most girls on seeking have pretty much adopted the standard routine of doing things. The top of the list of this routine is to no longer accept anything below 300 PPM. Yes there are still some girls that you can get below this amount, but it is harder compared to before and there's not that many of these girls anymore.

Seeking is actually struggling really badly right now in terms of user base. Sugar daddies are leaving and so are sugar babies. The only people still using the site are sugar babies that are standing firm on their standards, some are happy paying high prices for mediocre services (they don't understand that paying high PPMs will not get them the quality experience they are looking for), and other sugar daddies that are still grinding it out and trying to make it work.

The only people winning in all this are that have the patience to sift through a lot of nonsense to find quality girls that will give them a quality experience, of course at a high end PPM. And the sugar babies that are able to take advantage of dudes spending way too much money and not understanding what they are getting.

It's important to realize that just because you pay 400-500+ PPM, that does not guarantee you a solid experience. The way that 400-500 or higher PPM came to be the standard is because this is right now the "acceptable ceiling" that most men who have money will be willing to pay for an attractive girl. It has nothing to do at all with offering an experience that is worthy of a 400 or 500 dollar price tag, zero relevance whatsoever. The whole point of sugar babies enforcing this amount of PPM is purely for money extraction purposes. I. e: how much money can be asked for while still keeping it within reason for most men that have money.

There's a lot of issues with the site right now. A lot of girls on there have no interest in offering a quality intimate experience. So your amount of PPM offered is irrelevant. I don't think people understand how much grinding is actually required these days to find a solid chick.

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6503560]Sugar babies have more knowledge around seeking now compared to 6-7 years ago. There's Youtube channels, tik tok, reddit, word of mouth, etc. Most girls on seeking have pretty much adopted the standard routine of doing things. The top of the list of this routine is to no longer accept anything below 300 PPM. Yes there are still some girls that you can get below this amount, but it is harder compared to before and there's not that many of these girls anymore.

Seeking is actually struggling really badly right now in terms of user base. Sugar daddies are leaving and so are sugar babies. The only people still using the site are sugar babies that are standing firm on their standards, some are happy paying high prices for mediocre services (they don't understand that paying high PPMs will not get them the quality experience they are looking for), and other sugar daddies that are still grinding it out and trying to make it work.

The only people winning in all this are that have the patience to sift through a lot of nonsense to find quality girls that will give them a quality experience, of course at a high end PPM. And the sugar babies that are able to take advantage of dudes spending way too much money and not understanding what they are getting.

It's important to realize that just because you pay 400-500+ PPM, that does not guarantee you a solid experience. The way that 400-500 or higher PPM came to be the standard is because this is right now the "acceptable ceiling" that most men who have money will be willing to pay for an attractive girl. It has nothing to do at all with offering an experience that is worthy of a 400 or 500 dollar price tag, zero relevance whatsoever. The whole point of sugar babies enforcing this amount of PPM is purely for money extraction purposes. I. e: how much money can be asked for while still keeping it within reason for most men that have money.

There's a lot of issues with the site right now. A lot of girls on there have no interest in offering a quality intimate experience. So your amount of PPM offered is irrelevant. I don't think people understand how much grinding is actually required these days to find a solid chick.[/QUOTE]Oh gosh, I hate to say so, but I disagree. I see all kinds of reasoning to explain higher prices and it just ain't so.

I mean I just got done with a repeat date with a smoking hot, spinner girl who is not yet drinking age, but eligible to vote. At out first encounter she asked for 500-700 ppm because, "that is what I got from the last SD. " I told her she better track that dude down and line him up again. In the end she agreed to hit the FC for 200! Now admittedly because the date was so passionate and she performed better than expected for a girl that age, I gave her a little something extra.

Then there was the M&G girl from last week. Nice slender girl, but a "LSD" type, so more GND than not. She wanted 500 at the M&G. I mentioned that a recent SB was hitting the Notel for a 3-hour date for $175, but for her I'd go to 200. She quickly dropped to 300!

I mean I have had at least 3 SBs since the pandemic that were sub 200.

What I have found is that it takes a bit more patience than it did before. Yes, girls get on websites or chat blogs and get some education, but often that needs to be adjusted, to counter the lies other girls tell. Also I have found that if after 3-6 months my approach on a site isn't yielding results, it is time to make adjustments and adapt. For me this has always been the hardest part as I rarely put on airs and just do me. But there are many ways to do me, and if one approach isn't working, I need to do another.

So no, I don't agree that you HAVE to be in the 400-500 range to get these girls. IMHO the more willing a dude is to walk away, the more chances he has to get a lower offer. Girls can smell desperation. By walking away, if nothing else, a dude contributes to the greater good by educating the girls on what the market will bear.

Another general issue is that MANY dudes use the SB sites like an escort site. They are really just interested in a one off sexual encounter and then move on to the next. If a dude is serious about sticking with a girl "long-term" it opens more doors. The reality is that these days 6-months is LT as life changes for these girls or other 'life happens'. But a girl feels less used and hooker like if she's in an on-going situation, she's more willing to be accommodating. But getting used by 3 guys in a row promising LT and then dumping them after one FC visit, sure changes attitudes.

But I get the frustration and time commitment. I don't believe it is any harder than it was before, just takes more time commitment. So Yeah, it takes much more patience from me these days, but still can find the good results!

[QUOTE=UsaBlinkGuy11;6503560]Sugar babies have more knowledge around seeking now compared to 6-7 years ago. There's Youtube channels, tik tok, reddit, word of mouth, etc. Most girls on seeking have pretty much adopted the standard routine of doing things. The top of the list of this routine is to no longer accept anything below 300 PPM. Yes there are still some girls that you can get below this amount, but it is harder compared to before and there's not that many of these girls anymore.

Seeking is actually struggling really badly right now in terms of user base. Sugar daddies are leaving and so are sugar babies. The only people still using the site are sugar babies that are standing firm on their standards, some are happy paying high prices for mediocre services (they don't understand that paying high PPMs will not get them the quality experience they are looking for), and other sugar daddies that are still grinding it out and trying to make it work.

The only people winning in all this are that have the patience to sift through a lot of nonsense to find quality girls that will give them a quality experience, of course at a high end PPM. And the sugar babies that are able to take advantage of dudes spending way too much money and not understanding what they are getting..[/QUOTE]First I want to say I've committed the terrible sin of offering ppm of 300-400, but I'd rarely go 5 and never higher. I simply don't want to miss out on amazing experiences haggling. I bring something besides money to the table. I'm attractive and in good shape. Inked up and told I'm sexy. I'm also sexually dominant and understand the power exchange very well, every girl I sleep with is submissive and well vetted besides that. And though sex is an important part of things I don't treat it like a sesh with an escort. There are ways to navigate things. I definitely put in work and hit up a lot of girls. I cast a wide net too, sometimes searching a 50 mile radius. The sweet spot for me is 21-27 year old girls. And they are into it. I don't know what it was like 5+ years ago. And I don't feel like I have a responsibility to "keep prices low" because some dudes want me to. But I DO have a responsibility to help out other guys on here and let y'all know who is a scammer, nutso or a waste of time.

I've been chatting with this one the last week. I feel like I saw her mentioned before but can't find the review.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/df55a4a5-410c-4ec1-b958-cf1372f09fa2[/URL]

Single mom lives in hunting park area.

Wanted 400. Asked for 200. Wouldn't budge.

Couple days later I offer 300 and she's open to it.

I won't pay 400 ever for a first date not knowing the quality of the date.

She wants to meet tonight.

She says she only has 1 SD that she meets once a month for $400.

Anyone have experience with her?

[QUOTE=EpicSD;6504380]First I want to say I've committed the terrible sin of offering ppm of 300-400, but I'd rarely go 5 and never higher. I simply don't want to miss out on amazing experiences haggling. I bring something besides money to the table. I'm attractive and in good shape. Inked up and told I'm sexy. I'm also sexually dominant and understand the power exchange very well, every girl I sleep with is submissive and well vetted besides that. And though sex is an important part of things I don't treat it like a sesh with an escort. There are ways to navigate things. I definitely put in work and hit up a lot of girls. I cast a wide net too, sometimes searching a 50 mile radius. The sweet spot for me is 21-27 year old girls. And they are into it. I don't know what it was like 5+ years ago. And I don't feel like I have a responsibility to "keep prices low" because some dudes want me to. But I DO have a responsibility to help out other guys on here and let y'all know who is a scammer, nutso or a waste of time.[/QUOTE]I was ready to respond that I didn't think things were as bad as they're being portrayed on seeking but I'm happy to see a few people have beat me too it. Like others have said, we have this board to help each other. I really don't find myself spending huge amounts of miserable time on SA. I do it while watching tv and even have a dummy account to gather info.

What has worked for me:

1) knowing what I want. It's been mentioned that some guys use SA like an escort site and want to see as many hot women as possible. I don't and I don't think that's the way to be the most successful. If you treat all the women like escorts you will limit your pool. Some will go for it because they are pros, but the non pros will hate you. I like non pros so usually avoid women looking to go straight to a hotel.

2) Treat them well but don't be a push over. I'm upfront that I don't pay to watch you eat or drink at M&Gs. I have no problem taking them on M&G and wining and dining because I like a good meal and some decent company but the experience is the payment.

3) I avoid pros and don't mind a ton of messaging. Pro can be jaded and they are in it for the money only. Surprising a lot of non pros are into this for more than just the money. Now they like the money but some like going to restaurants that they would never go to or tickets to events that they wouldn't attend. Some of them really do like to talk to an older guy who can give them advice or maybe they have some daddy kink to work out.

4) I do put limits on myself. I go out maybe 30 miles tops but find most of what I'm interested within 25. Because of my range I only need about a month to vet all my possible targets and then I take a break from the membership until I start seeing enough new faces to warrant my attention again. If I'm satisfied with what I have I take an extended break. I'm still working off a list of women that I collected in March.

You can always tell us what specific problem that you are finding and I'm sure guys will offer advice. If the only problem you have is price, then you probably need to negotiate better. Get them out on a non paid M&G and discuss it. In person women are a lot less likely to up sell you when you can compare their attractiveness to your waitress or bartender. If they agree to a M&G they are already halfway in your bed!

It all boils down to what you want and the time you put into. Everyone who has commented on this has their own valid points. I do think the girls on the SB sites have been asking for more, but as I have mentioned and others if you act desperate or don't want to put in the time you are going to be charged more. As some one said which I like that term a strong bench. You don't need to pay more. Why? You can be more choosy and offer less. Because you already have connections.

Now if it's your goal to just bang everyone yeah you will probably pay more. This is just me, and I am not knocking anyone who has the means and money. But I work for a living and it's per hour. There is no way I would ever pay 400 to 500. For one girl one time. Unless maybe I am 70.

This one time I payed 350 to girl who was adamant that she always got 500 and she would be willing do 400 and I told her you're over what I would be comfortable paying. I thought man she is hot I will try this out at 350 and she said yes. I learn my lesson with that. She was not good. Dry but oldy loose and not into it. Was she pretty yeah but not worth it. I said 300 is my hard limit for now on. Most I offer is 200 and if they said no. I say if it works out maybe I will give you alittle more. If the girl still is being hard to get I tell them 300 and if you want to repeat it has to be lower. It's pretty simple it's either yes or no. And as others have said, you have to learn to walk away. They may contact you again. Sometimes it's better to not say anything until meeting. That's if you are better at talking in person. Or maybe you just don't have the time and you can throw out large numbers. See if the girl is good, seems into it and is reasonable I will add her to the line up. Now that can be expensive too when all these girls want to see you. Its like who do I have to cut or push off. But I guess I would rather have too many choices than to have none or have to pay more. Don't get me wrong new pus. Is addictive. But I was born dirt poor and the money I have hard earned. I am just not that generous.

[QUOTE=KenAllen;6504466]I've been chatting with this one the last week. I feel like I saw her mentioned before but can't find the review.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/df55a4a5-410c-4ec1-b958-cf1372f09fa2[/URL]

Single mom lives in hunting park area.

Wanted 400. Asked for 200. Wouldn't budge.

Couple days later I offer 300 and she's open to it.

I won't pay 400 ever for a first date not knowing the quality of the date.

She wants to meet tonight.

She says she only has 1 SD that she meets once a month for $400.

Anyone have experience with her?[/QUOTE]If you search using this part of the profile link you will find some of the reviews: df55 a4 a5.

Easy to work with and 3 tends to be the magic number. I doubt the 1 SD per month is true.

[QUOTE=KenAllen;6504466]I've been chatting with this one the last week. I feel like I saw her mentioned before but can't find the review.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/df55a4a5-410c-4ec1-b958-cf1372f09fa2[/URL]

Single mom lives in hunting park area.

Wanted 400. Asked for 200. Wouldn't budge.

Couple days later I offer 300 and she's open to it.

I won't pay 400 ever for a first date not knowing the quality of the date.

She wants to meet tonight.

She says she only has 1 SD that she meets once a month for $400.

Anyone have experience with her?[/QUOTE]Great little body, but just not into much other than sitting around smoking pot and making small talk before and after the act. I felt like she was a little higher traffic but not pro style high traffic. She know how to pull you in but she really doesn't do much other than let you bang her!

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6504675]Great little body, but just not into much other than sitting around smoking pot and making small talk before and after the act. I felt like she was a little higher traffic but not pro style high traffic. She know how to pull you in but she really doesn't do much other than let you bang her![/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. I didn't end up meeting her tonight.

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6504499]Pro can be jaded and they are in it for the money only.[/QUOTE]Bull-fing-shlt man. All these women are in it for the money else they'd not be on here and instead on tinder / dating apps. Not one single one of them are going to say "you don't have to give me anything for the next time" without becoming your GF. And there's plenty of guys on here with wives so you obviously aren't going to want that.

[QUOTE=Mythbuster;6504675]Great little body, but just not into much other than sitting around smoking pot and making small talk before and after the act. I felt like she was a little higher traffic but not pro style high traffic. She know how to pull you in but she really doesn't do much other than let you bang her![/QUOTE]Ended up meeting her last night. She came to me.

Not punctual. Ended up seeing her at 1 am.

Nice petite body. A cups. Both pierced.

Freshly waxed that day.

$300 BBBJ and BBFS. We were done in 15 min.

Won't repeat at that price.

I haven't met anyone on seeking worth paying $300 or more for quick fun.

Or even spend 3-4 hours with.

Just wanted to highlight the good comments here on the swinging lifestyle! Good stuff from EpicSD, Mythbuster & JDRedBull! Thanks for sharing your insight and experiences!

Anyone else?

[QUOTE=KCesar68;6504832]Bull-fing-shlt man. All these women are in it for the money else they'd not be on here and instead on tinder / dating apps. Not one single one of them are going to say "you don't have to give me anything for the next time" without becoming your GF. And there's plenty of guys on here with wives so you obviously aren't going to want that.[/QUOTE]I didn't see a good thread to ask this so here goes. Speaking of Tinder, never used in the past but remembered hearing about it being a good way to meetup. So I bought a 3-month subscription earlier this year and was open to both traditional / monger dating options. In my experience it was an uber hunk of shit app. Got some messages from foreign women. One chick was local but batshit crazy. The rest for fucking for bucks but had zero communication skills to even setup a date. App was so useless that I deleted it from my phone before my subscription even expired.

Has anyone found Tinder to be useful either for traditional dates or mongering??