The Prickyard

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408112]First, that you keep spending as much time writing what is completely irrelevant and off-base for someone getting laid in paradise as much as you are.

Second, that you equate my discussion on this board as who I am, which tells me your identity must be tied up in your online persona. Mine isn't.
[/QUOTE]We'll deal with the second paragraph first. My identity isn't tied up in my online persona. My online persona is a reflection of who I am. It's been that way for over 25 years. I'm no different online than I am in person. The people who have met me can vouch for that.

Perhaps that's your problem. Online you're trying to be someone different. It's common enough. It usually causes issues when you meet online people in person.

Now to the first paragraph. Your reading comprehension is lacking. Never have I claimed to be getting laid. In fact, I just recently explained one of the reasons why I haven't been getting laid. But I won't dispute that I think Medellin is paradise. Several weeks ago I explained another reason.

I'm just starting a completely new direction in life. It's expensive to change direction at my age, especially when you head to a new country. While my boss probably doesn't care, I'd still not want to fuck this up just for another lay. Besides, everyone here seems intent on finding a woman for me. I can wait.

Nothing I've written has been irrelevant. Every post has directly addressed the post quoted. You expressed disbelief that I was having dinner with a gorgeous 22 year old and I provided a detailed explanation. Your disbelief doesn't affect my reality, but I do like to set the record straight.

As for spending so much time responding, I have plenty of free time. I work less than 20 hours per week, I rarely sleep more than 7 hours and I don't watch tv. I spend an hour or more each day walking and an hour studying Spanish. That leaves plenty of time to keep up to date on the various forums.

The rest of your post, which I edited out, is irrelevant. None of it pertains to the discussion between us. I have no opinion on the dispute and mutual accusations between you and FF, because I have no facts to support either side.

My posts to you have been to criticize how you expressed yourself, except for one sarcastic warning that you are unlikely to win a dispute against FF. I have offered advice and tried to be reasonable, but you seem to be lost in a world of narcissism. People must agree with you completely, or they are the enemy and must be attacked.

To illustrate an earlier point, I'm working while I write this. At this time my work consists of correcting my roommate's English as she writes stuff. I may put in some overtime and walk to the store for some beer.

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408550]I wasn't trying to disrespect you, and for that I apologize. It's been frustrating, yes and I could've handled it differently with you. I said I won't share the screen texts because as you said, no one else really does care. And more importantly, I meant on the board. If YOU want them, I can email, but at this point it's probably not worth either of our time. I won't return your disdain for me in your post above with anything further.[/QUOTE]No need to make it into anything bigger than it is. Just a gentle realization of previous suspicions. You're a creep.

[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3408640]No need to make it into anything bigger than it is. Just a gentle realization of previous suspicions. You're a creep.[/QUOTE]'Appreciate your honest response to my apology.

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408222]The monger that gave me the info has not changed one single detail of what he related to me in several months time. Consistency is his, not yours or Lance's.

Again, you are mistaken or lying. I didn't believe anything from her. I didn't appreciate the games. And I was not told up front that Stacy was a current drug addict, and in fact Bob was convinced himself that she was not, so he wouldn't have told you that either. Past and current are different words, you should look them up.[/QUOTE]I WAS wrong, see I can admit it when I realize it, you didn't know from the beginning that she was an active addict. However you were told later that she was and you continued to see her because you didn't believe the monger who told you. I find it interesting that the monger that you think demonstrates consistency in the Leslie story is the same monger that warned you about Stacy. I find it interesting that you use "consistency" when you want to back up your hearsay but that same monger is inconsistent with my hearsay. Well I also have screenshot proof of the consistent inconsistency of hearsay from mongers that were not present. You pick and choose what is consistent or not, depending on whether or not, it supports your position. Some of us don't have that luxury.

The Leslie story hasn't changed because it's the truth. The only difference is I posted additional information about it today that wasn't told before because back then if she stopped robbing people I didn't care what her habits were. She also told me she was going into rehab the following week and needed the money to get in. Well like most active addicts she lied.

At this point I am like Lance, JJbee, Untouchable, Ilapp tired of someone who if hit over the head with the truth will still openly deny it. So it's now time for the [B][red]IGNORE BUTTON[/red][/B].

According to A2, it's ok to publish content from a PM as long as the sender / recipient involved (that's not me) is not identified.

[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm]

July 10, 2016 in PM to the unnamed Monger 2 when asked what I knew about Leslie

Her name is Leslie {edited, last name removed}. The boyfriend is {edited, complete name removed}. Easy to find on Facebook. Also you can google: {edited, removed search string to identify boyfriend in Google search} and you'll get all the pictures you never wanted of her loser boyfriend. He went to a dental surgeon and he pulled all of {edited, name} teeth because they were all rotten. He cried to the media no doubt trying to drum up sympathy for a lawsuit. Question: how many 21 yo's have all of their teeth rotten in their heads who aren't users?

What I said about being robbed happened. There are multiple reports from other members of the like as well. She doesn't rob everyone. So if you like your odds then go for it.

There also was operation Leslie. After I got robbed, myself, Indyguy and FF (possibly others) all started making appointments all over town. She had to blow a taxi driver to get home from one of them because she was broke. Put up ripoff ads all over BP. Brought her little scam to a screeching halt. Just as FF and I were about to put up fliers with their pictures and report them to Greenwood PD, she gave in and asked to negotiate. We sat down at a restaurant (myself, FF and Leslie) and we discussed what happened, the hobby community and how we lookout for one another. She promised that she was done with the boyfriend and robbing guys. We agreed to stop harassing her and mention her intentions to go straight in the forum. Along with a stern warning that if we hear of her ripping guys off we were going to forward with operation Leslie 2 and reporting her to the police. There have been more reports of ripoffs but FF says the reporters won't respond to PM's to confirm. So we haven't really been as motivated to make good on the warning.

That day we talked to her FF took her back to her nasty apartment and {edited, activity that I never actually had first hand knowledge of to begin with and no mention of payment or lack there of} her. I never got anything but chased out of her place naked. She offered me a freebee the day at the restaurant but I declined. I just wanted to see her do better with her life. And not put anyone in harms way, thinking what might happen when she tries to rob a guy packing heat.

Hope this helps. It's a little long. My interests are for general safety and the good of the community. Not vengeance for a meager $80 lost. Not saying don't go see her. Just don't go in blind like {edited, member that was an open apologist for Leslie in the forum, not Monger 2} suggests. Take care.
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So look at my post below. This was the PM sent to the Monger that TAZ describes below. Make a judgement for yourself if I told this monger anything different than I stated in the forum.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?19661-The-Prickyard&p=3408858&viewfull=1#post3408858[/URL]

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408112]


And this whole dust up between FF and I started when I was told by another, well-trusted monger, that Lance gave a VERY different story about operation Leslie than is being reported now. While I do not have proof of that at all, the other party has zero motivation now or back then that I can see to fabricate anything.[/QUOTE]Then when pressed about what is different, TAZ switches his tune that this Monger is simply more consistent. Yet you can read posts over the course of more than a year where the truth was told and the details stay the same. I might remind you that one can be consistently wrong.

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408222]

That's not what I said below, I stated your stories have changed a bit, as is evidenced by other posts below. The monger that gave me the info has not changed one single detail of what he related to me in several months time. Consistency is his, not yours or Lance's.
[/QUOTE]Feb 2016:

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2787090]Another monger and I met with Daisy / Leslie today to discuss her and her BF's past actions. The meeting went well and she informed us the BF is no longer in the picture because of his actions and other reasons. At this time we believe this young lady has changed her stripes and she is willing to show everyone that she is on the up and up.

I had a short session with her at her apartment. Yes it's dirty and she knows it and is working on cleaning it up for visitors. She prefers to stay in the body rub area of services for customers and endings are happy. Other menu items can be discussed if she feels comfortable. The best number to contact her is on the ad below. Her business was severely hurt by the efforts of the members of this board. I truly believe everyone helped turn the tide on this young lady.

[URL]http://indianapolis.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/hi-there-guys-looking-for-an-amazing-time/14663385[/URL]

I think she is worth the experience for the price. Her dangerous habit, the BF is no longer around, however she still is working on getting rid of her other bad habit which requires a pharmacist.

FF.

P.S. She does have some light freckles on her stomach and back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2787112]Sitting across from her today, I believe she is sincere that she wants to put that behavior behind her. She says she is going to keep the boyfriend away. Just being willing to sit with us and do that today makes me willing to give her a chance as far as not actively trying to warn everyone from seeing her. FF's caveat above gives me enough pause to not pass along my recommendation. I am choosing not to give her another chance personally and I did not partake today for that reason. I wish her all the best and truly hope to see her better her current situation. Definitely hoping for a happy ending on this one.[/QUOTE]July 2016.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?19661-The-Prickyard&p=3408858&viewfull=1#post3408858[/URL]

May 2017.

[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3405101]I don't know much about most of this but I do have first hand knowledge on operation Leslie. There were only 3 there that day, myself Leslie and FF. FF and I never made any promises to Leslie nor were any lies published about her sobriety. She came to us because we shut down her business after she robbed me. She came to us holding out an olive branch. The only demand was she stop robbing people. She offered me a freebie to make up for robbing me and I declined. To this day I do not have carnal knowledge of this girl. FF did not take her to a hotel for a freebie, he took her to her apartment and dropped her off. We met later at a parking lot and traded notes. We discussed what to do if she continued robbing people. The next day I documented what happened here in this forum. I did not give a recommendation to see her as I still saw her as a risk. No one said she was clean. I felt good about what happened that day. No one was exploited or taken advantage of. And at least for a time it drove much better behavior in Leslie.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;3407770]Sorry for the inconvenient truth that does not support agendas to denigrate a certain member of this board. But I never witnessed nor would be party to intimidating or harassment of a provider for the purposes of getting freebies. And anyone who thinks that I would I take particular offense to the accusation.

Operation Leslie:

What did not happen:

No freebies were negotiated in my presence.

No promises to report that Leslie was clean from drugs.

No promises of any kind in exchange for services were negotiated, implied, inferred, hinted at, expected, etc, ect, ect.

Indyguy was not present at the restaurant.

What did happen:

I along with a couple of others were lured into her apartment, allowed to undress, money was taken to the back of the apartment and her boyfriend chased you off with weapons (heard a report of a shotgun, in my case it was some long object that looked like a portion of a bedframe).

A few guys from the board put up warning ads on BP to inform people not on the boards of the dangers of being robbed. Additionally some of us were booking appointments on burners virtually around the clock to keep her from busy so she couldn't rob people.

She sat down with FF and myself at a restaurant and we discussed our community, how we look out for each other, that we knew who she was and the perils of her behavior. Let her know some mongers pack so what she is doing is down right dangerous. The only thing we asked was for her to stop robbing people. That there would be continued disruption to her activities that included contacting the police if she continued to rob people.

Link to posts directly following the meeting at the restaurant. Only reporting that she says she won't rob people. Again consistent with what I have been saying. In fact FF states there is continued pharmacological issues and to proceed with caution. I flat out did not give my endorsement nor do I still. Don't go near her. All you are doing is enabling an addict.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7746-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=2787112&viewfull=1#post2787112[/URL][/QUOTE]Take note that TAZ cannot accept fact. He believes what supports whatever agenda he has. You have been warned.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3408770]I WAS wrong, see I can admit it when I realize it, you didn't know from the beginning that she was an active addict. However you were told later that she was and you continued to see her because you didn't believe the monger who told you. [/QUOTE]You conveniently leave things out again. I've seen the screen shot of the text you were sent after the first LIE, so I know you weren't wrong, but intentionally lied the first time, as well as intentionally left out details yet again.

I wasn't "told later that she was," I was told later that one of his other girls SAID she saw her inject. Once. The other girl was herself high and potentially jealous or didn't like Stacy. And there was some other inconsistency from him at the time that made me question the story. We've cleared that up since, but he also wasn't sure, just passing info along. I didn't think he was actually lying, but that his girl was. I saw no evidence of current use at that time, and did incorrectly believe her after confronting her. My mistake. As I've said in other posts, she is a very good and convincing liar. I was duped. All the reason I was so adamant at reporting her on the board as a warning to other guys, yet you chose to delete that, enabling others to go unwarned. Your motivation to do so is what's suspect, not mine.

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3408961]You conveniently leave things out again. I've seen the screen shot of the text you were sent after the first LIE, so I know you weren't wrong, but intentionally lied the first time, as well as intentionally left out details yet again.[/QUOTE][B][red]Button[/red][/B] because I am done.

I sure wouldn't mind one of those 5 gallon pails of Chesty potato chips and some Golden Guernsey farm's chocolate milk right about now.

Just sayin'.

Kyussfan.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3408570]You expressed disbelief that I was having dinner with a gorgeous 22 year old and I provided a detailed explanation. Your disbelief doesn't affect my reality, but I do like to set the record straight.[/QUOTE]Than to provide a "detailed explanation" because there isn't an attached notarized affidavit from the other patrons at the restaurant or from the 22 year old stating that all of this is true? LOL.

By the way, did you have any pics? I really don't care if they are authentic or notarized, just if they are HOT!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3409010]Than to provide a "detailed explanation" because there isn't an attached notarized affidavit from the other patrons at the restaurant or from the 22 year old stating that all of this is true? LOL.

By the way, did you have any pics? I really don't care if they are authentic or notarized, just if they are HOT![/QUOTE]I'll email you a few. My roommate and my boss.

[QUOTE=Jjbee62;3409137]I'll email you a few. My roommate and my boss.[/QUOTE]You better forward those to me for clarification FF. Just to make sure they are accurate, no other reason.

[QUOTE=TryinAgain2;3405035]I did name a name below. Emails and screenshots of me? If so, they're misconstrued or taken out of context. I appreciated the mutual respect and help you gave me over the years, buddy, but on this one, you lost mine.[/QUOTE]Doesn't have to be that way. I am the same guy I was yesterday, the same guy I was 6 months ago, and, though perhaps sadly, the same guy I was 10 years ago, so nothing about me has changed. Hell I think it has been about 10 years ago since I was trying to broker some pissing match between you and the oh so fun at the time Miss Misty and her not having agreed to see you. I know a lot more here than I probably should, but since combined with the fact I'm old and lazy, getting feebleminded, and mostly that I just don't give a shit about all of this I am not going to start going through all these posts and quotes and nitpicking line by line like I could, and like I probably would have done in the past. For quite a while I had intended to walk away from this place and all this crap on January 15 of this year, obviously that didn't work out, but I sure as hell wish it would have. There are too many things taking the fun out of this these days.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3408005]. From what I have heard through reliable sources is she is still using, still providing BBFS including BB anal. So those of you that love this type of play, have at it.![/QUOTE]Would someone please send me her number already! I'm serious here. I am so all in.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;3409268]Doesn't have to be that way. I am the same guy I was yesterday, the same guy I was 6 months ago, and, though perhaps sadly, the same guy I was 10 years ago, so nothing about me has changed. Hell I think it has been about 10 years ago since I was trying to broker some pissing match between you and the oh so fun at the time Miss Misty and her not having agreed to see you. I know a lot more here than I probably should, but since combined with the fact I'm old and lazy, getting feebleminded, and mostly that I just don't give a shit about all of this I am not going to start going through all these posts and quotes and nitpicking line by line like I could, and like I probably would have done in the past. For quite a while I had intended to walk away from this place and all this crap on January 15 of this year, obviously that didn't work out, but I sure as hell wish it would have. There are too many things taking the fun out of this these days.[/QUOTE]The first time I saw Misty, I just didn't really click w / her. I reported pretty respectfully that we didn't click and she went ballistic. She left for awhile, and I ended up seeing her again. We totally clicked that time and I saw her a few times after that. I had drinks with her in BR after she got out totally, a time or two I think. It's been a couple of years now.

I don't feel like I've changed either Ilapp. I've always spoken my mind and said my peace. This isn't the first time it's been a problem, probably won't be the last. And again, like a few times in the past, it all started trying to protect someone. Won't change that either.