"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ChrisHansen92;5321386]Common topic in every city on here. Seeking is much worse ie: OF, pic sellers, platonic only, rinsers, scammers, arm candy, covid, snap-chat premium etc. These girl's would dry up and go away (or at least be reduced by 50% or more) if they did not have customers and a market for what they are selling. Can you blame them for doing this? Think of the easy money they can make without having to be touched. So do we blame them? Or the men that are funding them and creating a demand for this? I read the SB forum in every city. Same story- I bought some pictures to see what she looked like, I sent her an advance even tho I knew better, I was thinking with the little head, I bought her diner and drinks and gave her a small gift for a M&G because it feels more like a dating relationship etc. We are the problem, not them.[/QUOTE]Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!!

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5321800]Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!![/QUOTE]
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Oh I agree 1000000%! But......

Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!

I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.

So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.

Hang in there!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5322454].Oh I agree 1000000%! But......

Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!

I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.

So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.

Hang in there![/QUOTE]Yup that's all we can do is keep posting good ones and bad ones and hope they take heed. Some won't as you scroll thru the post been warned by several bad reviews provider is a dasher but yet there they go. Or how many times do we post No Deposits They are Fake yet there's a post about how they sent a 10 $ deposit and got ghosted. Can't fix stupid I guess lmao. Be safe Be safe.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5322454].
Oh I agree 1000000%! But......

Man cards were already removed, almost a birth with Millennials. Why do I hear adverts on the Sports Radio Station for Dove Skin Care products for men? WTF!

I mean these dudes have no use for history, like reading threads and learning from it. Anything that is needed is available INSTANTANEOUSLY on the 'net. Ask, YouTube, etc. No need to be discerning with info either, just pick the "style" that seems most PC and that must be the right answer. Only way this group learns is by sticking their finger in the receptacle and getting a shock. See this on non=monger help boards: whine and complain, when a bit of "research" or book learning would avoid the pain.

So I guess we gots to keep patiently posting and sharing experience as this group winds its way into buying power with disposable income.

Hang in there![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5321800]Yep in spades. Now, how do we stop the tide on thirsty male simping? We need to start taking away man-cards.
It's not just that it's bad form, it's actually counter-productive to what guys really want: getting laid. No amount of buying pics or telling her on OF she's hot will make her want to see you in person. Nudes are free, why would anyone pay for them? It's actually reducing your chances of getting what you want!!![/QUOTE]While I agree guys need to stop putting up with all this bullshit, I take a step back when we talk about "man cards" and paying for pussy. Go pick up chicks free-range if you want to brag about man-cards. Sugaring is a game where you can't help but get laid if you hold your ground and your money until it's time to make a deal.

When you have a chick that will give you pussy for a transaction, you don't need a lot of game. There are no dark arts here. They're hookers. Don't be stupid; let them pretend they aren't hookers, and you'll manage to get laid.

[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5320644]I had a meet and greet all set up and ready to go--then I get this:

Hey do you pay for the first meet? I'm asking as I now have offers from sugar daddies that are willing to pay 300 plus just to meet? I feel like my time is valuable because I'm juggling school and work and don't forget I'm a pre-med student.

I wished her good looked and deleted! Time wasted!![/QUOTE]This must be a copy paste message from many of the so call SD rinse tutorials out there; like you, had agreed to meet with a couple of girls to make sure we 'clicked. '.

Day before or couple of days before, they hit me exactly with that-I have offers from other guys, but since you seemed cool, wanted to spend time with you; however, my time is valuable, blah blah blah.

I got these usually from girls in the 22-25 age range.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5322641]While I agree guys need to stop putting up with all this bullshit, I take a step back when we talk about "man cards" and paying for pussy. Go pick up chicks free-range if you want to brag about man-cards. Sugaring is a game where you can't help but get laid if you hold your ground and your money until it's time to make a deal.

When you have a chick that will give you pussy for a transaction, you don't need a lot of game. There are no dark arts here. They're hookers. Don't be stupid; let them pretend they aren't hookers, and you'll manage to get laid.[/QUOTE]This is not thread about who's most alpha but about self-defeating / self-sabotaging behaviors from guys that are easy to fix. Paying for pics, or OFans or for platonic is counter-productive. Same as putting her on a pedestal and telling her she's so hot thinking for a second it will help your cause of getting into her pants. All these things are actually working against you. Why guys keep doing these is mind boggling.

There are a lot of things that are annoying that other SDs do, but it's all part of the game. Just have to deal with it or leave the game. Had a forum member rat me out to an old sugar of my that I posted a review. So now I don't post detail reviews anymore. Just basic review so members know the SB is down to FC. I do not posting prices or if I got BBFS anymore.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5323319]This is not thread about who's most alpha but about self-defeating / self-sabotaging behaviors from guys that are easy to fix. Paying for pics, or OFans or for platonic is counter-productive. Same as putting her on a pedestal and telling her she's so hot thinking for a second it will help your cause of getting into her pants. All these things are actually working against you. Why guys keep doing these is mind boggling.[/QUOTE]

Anyone know if she is Sarah that outed married guys awhile back?

[QUOTE=DoneThatOnce;5323981]Anyone know if she is Sarah that outed married guys awhile back?[/QUOTE]That is her. Run far, run fast.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5323404]There are a lot of things that are annoying that other SDs do, but it's all part of the game. Just have to deal with it or leave the game. Had a forum member rat me out to an old sugar of my that I posted a review. So now I don't post detail reviews anymore. Just basic review so members know the SB is down to FC. I do not posting prices or if I got BBFS anymore.[/QUOTE]That is a real shame! Some numb-nuts who prolly only wants to date a girl once and then move on, ruined things for others. Oh, hey, who cares about you.... Its all about ME! Sigh.

Thanks for sticking around and at least providing basic reports!

If you have gone through this, please provide any guidance you may have. What does SA use to identify new accounts as belonging to previous members?

Some time back, there was a posting concerning putting the Facebook Messenger app on your burner phone, and it going through your address book, giving you the social media information it has on matching phone #s. This is something that you can't do on FB anymore, for a couple of year. Anyway, I finally upgraded my TracFone, to a LG Phoenix w / 16 MB (my tracfone is on the AT&T network). My old burner was very very slow and had no room for apps beyond GV. Anyway, does it still work to use FB messenger in this way? As I was trying to install it on my phone, it was asking for personal info to set up an account. I don't recall this being part of the deal a couple of years back to be able to use FB Messenger as I described. I have a sugar identity I could use for this, but overall I'd rather not anyone have even that fake info. Especially if this trick doesn't work anymore, I'll pass.

[QUOTE=Rentahoo;5325645]If you have gone through this, please provide any guidance you may have. What does SA use to identify new accounts as belonging to previous members?[/QUOTE]I have had 3 different accounts, just new email address, and I've used the same vanilla visa card; only thing I do different is, my IP address changes, since I stay in different locations. This was last year, not sure if things have changed but never had an issue creating a new profile. I think they only care if you pay...my account has been even suspended and i created another account after that suspended account was reinstated. So not sure what the issue is nowadays.

It is basically a bad idea to give ANY APP access to your contacts -- switch them ALL off. If the APP will not work without it -- delete the APP.

As far as SA -- I use the phone browser - not the APP -- and then delete the browser history every day !


[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5325734]Some time back, there was a posting concerning putting the Facebook Messenger app on your burner phone, and it going through your address book, giving you the social media information it has on matching phone #s. This is something that you can't do on FB anymore, for a couple of year. Anyway, I finally upgraded my TracFone, to a LG Phoenix w / 16 MB (my tracfone is on the AT&T network). My old burner was very very slow and had no room for apps beyond GV. Anyway, does it still work to use FB messenger in this way? As I was trying to install it on my phone, it was asking for personal info to set up an account. I don't recall this being part of the deal a couple of years back to be able to use FB Messenger as I described. I have a sugar identity I could use for this, but overall I'd rather not anyone have even that fake info. Especially if this trick doesn't work anymore, I'll pass.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rentahoo;5325645] What does SA use to identify new accounts as belonging to previous members?[/QUOTE]Email.

Credit card.

Photos.

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