"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DreamCatching;5313544]Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.

As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.

Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.

[QUOTE=Kingmaletx;5315073]Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.

As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.

Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.[/QUOTE]Hell, I'd even get a rental car for the day if that's her only link to tracking you down afterwards. Can't be too careful! I hope it goes well.

[QUOTE=Kingmaletx;5315073]Yea, definitely don't ghost! Worse thing you can do, specially if the gal has those revengeful buttons.

As eviltmp said, to pretend that you're cool, and she is cool, I would see her one last time, and do your activities as before, but then say your reason as to why maybe is best to break it off, and that you really enjoyed her company and time.

Don't give any reason to this woman to hunt you and make your life miserable.[/QUOTE]No disrespect intended but if she doesn't know who you are ie using a burner phone doesn't know your full name or details about who you are why are you being so cordial? Screw that tell her your done and ghost her. On other hand if you have her any information about who you are then your screwed. Never ever give out that kind of info I've been there done that and sooner or later these arrangements end and sometimes very badly. Just my 2 cents. But don't give these girls that kind of power over the arrangement.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5313906]This is red pill 101. It's nothing you did wrong, she's trying to see how much power she has over you. She's trying to see how much control you have over yourself and others around you.[b] Next time something like this happens with any girl, when you sensed a switch flipped in her head, you should have said "seems it's a tough situation for you" and just get up and leave in that instant. You don't lecture, explain, gush in excuses for a woman. [color=red]You just remove yourself, your time, your attention, and your affection. It's her job to show why she belongs in your life, not you to grovel how lucky you are to have her.[/color] Once you internalize this and truly make it part of your mental model, the less and less you have to deal with this kind of bad behavior. They can sense it.[/b]

As for breaking it off the "want a serious relationship" is a great one. I would shy away from the wife excuse, especially if you are married. She could make it her mission to find her and tell her about your extracuriccular interests. Do tell her about the wife finding out if you are NOT married. LOL.

Other well-used reasons for breaking it off: "I'm falling in love with you", "I have work thing outside the state / country for x months".

If you can do try to see her one last time and keep things light and fun. Keep the usual donation and bring a small gift.[/QUOTE]This in spades!

Dudes give up their power WAY too easily to girls. This ain't marriage where in some senses you have to, this is an arrangement.

[QUOTE=DreamCatching;5313544]Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]I confess to being a little confused about your situation.

Before you've asked for advice, you indicated you were "old" and not really up to date on these things. Yesterday you posted in the addict thread that you're young and not even 30. That's a strange age to be working the SB angle, but not unheard of.

But which is it? Are you "old" or in your 20's? It improves our understanding of where you're coming (experience-wise) from when asking for advice. Here are the contradictory posts:

[POST=4906902]I'm old[/POST]

[POST=5314390]I'm under 30[/POST]

I met one a few months ago that said she was taking pills for schizophrenia, mind you, she was 19 or 20 and had a few fun sessions but wanted to cut that cold as I saw some ODD mood things go in my car nothing crazy but like extra-long gaze into nowhere, etc. So, I told her due to covid I was driving up to Humbolt County to work on a grow farm for two months! No cell service I told her, but I need to get rent money It worked well and burned that number same time / blocked her.

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=DreamCatching;5313544]Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5315434]No disrespect intended but if she doesn't know who you are ie using a burner phone doesn't know your full name or details about who you are why are you being so cordial? Screw that tell her your done and ghost her. On other hand if you have her any information about who you are then your screwed. Never ever give out that kind of info I've been there done that and sooner or later these arrangements end and sometimes very badly. Just my 2 cents. But don't give these girls that kind of power over the arrangement.[/QUOTE]You didn't read the whole history. He's on Maui. There's a non-zero chance he's going to run into her in public at some point. He doesn't want there to be a scene, just her ignoring him.

Greetings everyone.

Thank you for all your advice and wisdom, If I was ever living in a densely populated area I wouldn't be thinking too hard on this case so I definitely envy you all. I appreciate you all for taking the time for the assist, If you are ever in Hawaii I'll be happy to do some digging and info searching for you (Just PM me).

Also RogerOver I apologize for the way I was wording about myself in earlier posts. I meant old as in old-fashioned. The scenario was that I was a novice in hosting (I rarely did it) and was trying to say that if there have been new more updated ways to host anonymously over the years (technology and whatnot gets updated so fast). I'm actually young in body my friend (late 20's), decently experienced in hobbying, but an amatuer in seeking. I turn to fellow gents in larger forums of different states for advice since I feel like you've see pretty much everything in the Seeking world.

I promise I'll do my own research as well folks (your SB highlight thread is most helpful) and thank you.

Mahalo and stay safe.

I've been reading the strings on terminating SD / SD relationships. As the forum thread say's "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not? No matter what age, you have to make the determination during the initial communication (electronically or by M&G) if they are Amateurs or Not by discussing with the SB your personal guidelines for setting up a mutual beneficial arraignment. If not, it's simple, you will lose control.

If the determination is "not", other than having to deal with negotiating with the GPS syndrome one's or UTR's depending on the set arrangement then most likely there will be no emotional connection and probably you are just one of many Stallions in their income stable. But there are exceptions..

If the determination is amateur; in many cases they don't have the ability manage an income stable of Sd's and are looking for one mutual beneficial arraignment, where ultimately there may be an emotional connection at risk. No matter how good it appears to be, you need to have a planned exit strategy incorporated into your guidelines if the relationship seems to start heading south. Again, there are exceptions..

Remember it takes two in a relationship; it's easy to get in but hard to punch out if it's spiraling out of control. Think with the big head not the little one.

As DreamCatching said..

Mahalo and stay safe.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5316162]You didn't read the whole history. He's on Maui. There's a non-zero chance he's going to run into her in public at some point. He doesn't want there to be a scene, just her ignoring him.[/QUOTE]Yea you right didn't register the island thing but still if you on a island I think you wouldn't do the Sb thing.

I think SA uses trolls to thin the herd. My last 2 accounts have been banned for "soliciting". In both cases the most recent conversation was with a people who openly said they were escorts and did ppm. In both cases they started the conversation and even quoted rates. Also in both cases I used the term incall in a message and next time I went to log in I was banned. I am beginning to wonder if they are plants and if you engage them they ban you.

In any case F at #k SA! Not wasting another penny.

Be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;5318727]I think SA uses trolls to thin the herd. My last 2 accounts have been banned for "soliciting". In both cases the most recent conversation was with a people who openly said they were escorts and did ppm. In both cases they started the conversation and even quoted rates. Also in both cases I used the term incall in a message and next time I went to log in I was banned. I am beginning to wonder if they are plants and if you engage them they ban you.

In any case F at #k SA! Not wasting another penny.

Be safe![/QUOTE]If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.

Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.

Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.

[QUOTE=Kingmaletx;5318737]If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.

Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.

Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.[/QUOTE]I should have cut off as soon as she said she's an escort and reported it but.

I may email support to see if I can get re-instated just to follow up conversations I had already started and finish out the month but I don't think Ill renew.

[QUOTE=Kingmaletx;5318737]If they initiated the conversation that way, then you can get your account reinstated; that happened to me. The 2nd msg from somebody was, I do incalls and I get 4 ppm, let me know if interested.

Now, hindsight, I should have reported that myself, but didn't; got banned 2 days later, so I emailed support, they looked it up, and they won't tell you why you got banned, but it must have been that, and they said they reviewed my account and it was back to normal.

Now, women who do this, if you're not interested, they are the ones who can report you, so after that incident, if I got a msg like that, and wasn't interested, I would immediately report account. Never had a problem after that.[/QUOTE]While I appreciate the gal is the offender, I don't think it is in your interest to be the police. Rather than reporting, I just block those profiles when I get those sorts of messages. Definitely don't engage in any conversation with them. One key, in any conflict, is to be sure to block her first, that way she can't get to your profile to report you and get you in trouble.

So what is the difference between chicks w / premium next to their name and ones that don't have it?

Why would an SB need to upgrade seems like they can access all the features without premium. Idk.

I don't trust those profiles very much. Are they SA fake accounts or pros?