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Bf
[QUOTE=AlGolds169;6144290]So, a couple of weeks ago I stopped by Jasmine Spa in Ballwin but she was booked (should have made an appt) and I decided to drive over to B&F because I had a good experience here a while back. Arrived at noon & they took me right in though I think I heard a couple of guys arrive after me. Table shower plus 60 minute massage. My experience was mixed. Got everything I came for (I only ask for HJ at AMPs) and the massage was good, really strong girl. But she was new and I was literally her first customer and was clearly learning as she went. I'd still go back to B&F, after all, I'm sure a lot of these places are training new staff, but I want to look into other places first.[/QUOTE]Training? I almost fell out of my chair. Most of these places are hit the ground running / learn as you go if you don't already know. I was at BF last week. Had a great 4 hands massage. I have not been to Sun Li in a while since the best one there is now at BF. Maybe new talent at Sun Li?
[URL]https://rubmd.com/st-louis-mo/9836784e-8320-4a73-ae33-15d5b7ed7586[/URL]
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Sammie
[QUOTE=Lovethatbob;5733404]Seems it's another version of "Sammie" at work again. If it's the same Sammie who has lurked around South City for a decade or more, she's a very unappealing, unenthusiastic, low end massage gal. And by massage in her context, it's a 10 minute rub and a roll over for a bad try at a hand job. To my knowledge she's been way down off S. Broadway at 55 in rundown places, and she's also been in the 44 at Jefferson area.
Disappears from time to time, never shows her face, uses pics that are probably not her. This current version didn't have the name Sammie in it for weeks and weeks. I tried contacting this one when it first showed up (the crossed legs photo is consistent), but it was a series of weird responses and I gave up. When the name Sammie showed up recently, I was thankful I hadn't made contact. Saw her only once about 10 years ago, and it was a mattress on the floor, HJ only, and pretty lame. Then, maybe 5 years ago I answered another ad that turned out to be her, and I just turned around and drove away when I saw her at the door.
Maybe another guy here can shed more light, but that's what I know and feel about this ad right now.
LTB.[/QUOTE]Is this the Sammie with the bad reviews people were talking about? I never knew who the "bad" Sammie was but I was interested in seeing THIS Sammie:
[URL]https://listcrawler.eu/last_phone_post/3148338947[/URL]#.
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[QUOTE=QueNine;6144600]Can someone explain the fascination with table showers? I've had a few at local AMPs (years ago) and was nothing less than thorough disgusted. Let me sit naked on this table, in a wet room, with a lady wearing golashes, where 100 other naked dudes have been washed.
Yes, I know, we all lay on the same tables, but at least there's doctor paper to give me 30% confidence the table is "clean."[/QUOTE]Odd take. Maybe you need some perspective. . Every one of those tiny dark massage rooms are covered in hundreds of other dudes' jizz, spit, skin, poop. . You know how hard it is to get peanut butter out of carpet, bruh? Can't imagine the horror show of taking in a black light. I've had many years experiences where the lady didn't even change the sheets when I was done. Just refolded / retucked everything.
A table shower is all easily washable surfaces washed continuously with disinfectant soap. It's the cleanest spot in the place. Plus, it feels awesome. I had a regular place in a different city several years ago, and sometimes I'd opt to spend most or all of my hour on the shower table it was awesome.
Anyway, point is, the rooms are where the germs are. Touch a wall? Someone probably unloaded on about everything in there.
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[QUOTE=QueNine;6144600]Can someone explain the fascination with table showers? I've had a few at local AMPs (years ago) and was nothing less than thorough disgusted. Let me sit naked on this table, in a wet room, with a lady wearing golashes, where 100 other naked dudes have been washed.
Yes, I know, we all lay on the same tables, but at least there's doctor paper to give me 30% confidence the table is "clean."[/QUOTE]I think some people enjoy getting bathed by someone else. Maybe it brings back memories of getting bathed in yesteryear.
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Table Shower
[QUOTE=Badboy2;6145415]I think some people enjoy getting bathed by someone else. Maybe it brings back memories of getting bathed in yesteryear.[/QUOTE]Which place offers that?
Rate?
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[QUOTE=QueNine;6144600]Can someone explain the fascination with table showers? I've had a few at local AMPs (years ago) and was nothing less than thorough disgusted. Let me sit naked on this table, in a wet room, with a lady wearing golashes, where 100 other naked dudes have been washed.
Yes, I know, we all lay on the same tables, but at least there's doctor paper to give me 30% confidence the table is "clean."[/QUOTE]I'd say a big part of the appeal is being bathed and pampered by the woman. As far as cleanliness, they are supposed to spray down the table with a disinfectant before or after each use, at least that has been my understanding from the spas I've gone to in IL. That's why a lot of times the girl will have to get the table shower ready before she leads you to it or will usher you back to the room, leave, and then be a few minutes getting back to you. Like at Kiku in Decatur IL the girl will ask if you'd like to sit in the sauna after the table the shower. So she'll dry you off some in the table shower room and then stick you in their sauna to cook for awhile. While you're cooking in the sauna she's spraying down the shower table and then rinsing it off, straightening the room up and then prepping the massage room and herself. Personally I've always been more worried about catching athlete's foot than anything else.
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[QUOTE=GM2019;6144821]Training? I almost fell out of my chair. Most of these places are hit the ground running / learn as you go if you don't already know. I was at BF last week. Had a great 4 hands massage. I have not been to Sun Li in a while since the best one there is now at BF. Maybe new talent at Sun Li?
[URL]https://rubmd.com/st-louis-mo/9836784e-8320-4a73-ae33-15d5b7ed7586[/URL][/QUOTE]Wait, you mean they don't get trained to say "you want massage, how long" and the ask "hard or soft" as they rub your butt a little. Humm I never made the connection LOL.
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I agree.
[QUOTE=HenryA77;6144764]I love them. True, the table is the same, but at least there is hot water (sometimes REALLY hot water) flowing over it, as well as soap, so I really don't worry about that.
The one I had here was one where you could (and I did) lie down.
To me, it's like getting a second massage. The hot water relaxes me, the fresh soap smell is nice. I even had one wash my hair. That was truly excellent.
Also, from the way she washes you, you can know what else might happen later. If the washing is very perfunctory, likely not much.
If the washing is very complete, and some areas get special attention, then you can be reasonably sure something is available later. My personal experience has been that the more totally some areas are washed, the more is available later.
If the women thought about it, the more time washing, the less massage. For me, that is a plus, as some massage is quite nice, but multiple times of the same thing gets a bit boring.
I tend to prefer the places that have TS, and have often gone further to get them.[/QUOTE]I tend to go to the places that have a TS. Especially when the weather is cooler. It feels good and warms the hands in anticipation of some utc roaming. I've been going to Lakes Massage in St. Charles lately, mainly because it's close and the TS is free with massage of 60 minutes or longer. And as you said, you can get an idea of what's to come.
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[QUOTE=PokerHer;6145479]Which place offers that?
Rate?[/QUOTE]Fuji in Centreville, IL does for sure, maybe some of the others next to it. It's part of the hour door price. Usually it is the start of the experience. You go in there and she scrubs you, first face down, then on your back. Then she'll towel dry you. The teasing already typically begins during the shower. I find it rather relaxing, honestly.
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Lila
[QUOTE=Jfouquet;6144271]She's back folks. See review 16290 for a pretty accurate description of how her sessions go. She is a very nice woman and has a smokin' hot body but her sessions tend to be a bit mechanical. HOWEVER, I will see her again! But will opt for the HJ.
[URL]https://rubmd.com/st-louis-mo/b2a596bb-a5b8-4446-aa07-18106e26f9c4[/URL][/QUOTE]This morning I saw Lila was advertising again and yes I am going to be stopping by.
She has been in this game a long time. She has a routine. You will love her routine. If by mechanical you mean your session will look a lot like my session, yes it will. My session will be ending with doing a solid 10 doggy style while watching it all in a mirror. Something I call well worth the price of admission.
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Evelyn
Just curious if anyone has had any experience with Evelyn on St Louis RubMD. I could find nothing on a search. Looks awesome.
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[QUOTE=Jeffc574;6145885]This morning I saw Lila was advertising again and yes I am going to be stopping by.
She has been in this game a long time. She has a routine. You will love her routine. If by mechanical you mean your session will look a lot like my session, yes it will. My session will be ending with doing a solid 10 doggy style while watching it all in a mirror. Something I call well worth the price of admission.[/QUOTE][URL]www.ProfessionalLuxuriesMassage.com[/URL]
When you see one of these girls it says "160 flat rate", but what should I tip? (I don't want to be "That Guy" that doesn't tip enough.).
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[QUOTE=Hidden120;6145822]Fuji in Centreville, IL does for sure, maybe some of the others next to it. It's part of the hour door price. Usually it is the start of the experience. You go in there and she scrubs you, first face down, then on your back. Then she'll towel dry you. The teasing already typically begins during the shower. I find it rather relaxing, honestly.[/QUOTE]They also like doing the TS so your good and clean going back to the room for fun. It's best to never turndown the TS, it's included in the house fee.
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Tipping
[QUOTE=PokerHer;6146579][URL]www.ProfessionalLuxuriesMassage.com[/URL]
When you see one of these girls it says "160 flat rate", but what should I tip? (I don't want to be "That Guy" that doesn't tip enough.).[/QUOTE]Tipping in my opinion is based on the service provided. If you went expecting a decent massage and handshake and that's what you get, tip her accordingly. $20-40 depending on what you're comfortable with. If you get a BBBJ or FS / GFE from a massage provider when you were only expecting a massage and handshake, the tip could range from $50-100. This is all especially true if you plan to be a repeat client and want the service to continue to improve or the menu to expand. If she likes and trusts you plus she knows she's getting extra cash, I've found that menu can definitely expand. And this isn't related directly to ProLux but rather massage providers in general.
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The ProLux Primer
[QUOTE=PokerHer;6146579][URL]www.ProfessionalLuxuriesMassage.com[/URL]
When you see one of these girls it says "160 flat rate", but what should I tip? (I don't want to be "That Guy" that doesn't tip enough.).[/QUOTE]I have posted this a few times so this will be the short version.
PLM uses "representative" pictures. If you need real pictures to make an appointment, stop now. I used to say read the descriptions they are a better judge of what you will find. Those are getting pretty representative as well. Nothing is as it was.
Making an appointment is super easy. If you are a first timer, call the number. Know what and when you want. "I would like to see Brea today at 2:00 PM. " If your given girl / time is not available you will be given options. "She is booked at 2:00. Can you do 1:00?" You will be texted an address and notes. "Apartment B, left door. Knock. " Or what have you. Be no more than 5 minutes early and don't approach the door until it is time. PLM likes to run on the hour every hour. Your time starts at 1:00. My time ended at 1:00. I do not want to meet you at the door. Actually, my time will end closer to ten till. If you need a full 60 minutes for your cash, book elsewhere. Because of this, your clock starts at the scheduled time. If you are ten minutes late you are not making it up on the back end.
Truth time. I have not been to PLM in over a year. The last visit wasn't all that and I have been spending my money elsewhere. COVID didn't help.
160 gets you the PLM handshake. I have heard that MT / fully nude is extra. They didn't used to be. Each girl is different. Ask and you may be surprised. I have not been offered more than a HJ since Angel / Lilia / Scarlett left PLM a while ago.
As always, if you check them out, post about it.