"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;1958062]Re Still keeping up with my regular SB who is a sweetie and we have been keeping that going for several months. Not ready to give her up, but one thing I am finding is that some of these things are easy to get into and much harder to get out of. I try not to be and SOB if time comes to go separate ways but it's difficult[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm feeling a little of that pain. My SB is still a total sweetheart, and while it's been difficult to make our schedules align, our "hangout" sessions are stellar. But there's been enough drama recently that I've begun to ponder where my exit-stage-left threshold is. As drama goes, I figure there's a lot worse-this is mostly school stress compounded on top of PCSD (post-childhood stress disorder), with a healthy dollop of the lack of perspective that comes with youthful inexperience.

But there comes a point where I'm out of emotional energy. And I'm in this game partially to offset all the stress and drama I get on the homefront, I don't need to add to that pile. Yet, as you say, easy to get into, harder to get out. We'll see how it goes, I'm enjoying the ride while it lasts.

I had to talk about my date tonight because the bowl never ceases to surprise me. As I have said many times the bowl is a very very fluid situation.

Take today for instance I visited for a M&G with the 49 YO MILF, at noon, very nice educated woman. She was texting me all kinds of dirty stuff and telling me how she had been with only 6 men her entire life. Over and over. But in reality she was really really into sex and knew how to suck dick. Don't look at what they say look at what they do. So when I first met her she allowed me to kiss her on the lips and made a point of wearing a dress with no panties and telling me about it. And within an hour of meeting she had my cock in her mouth and was swallowing. Not exactly what I would call a woman that has not fucked a lot. I know I am good looking and charming and got lots of game. But I aint that good. LOL And when it came to the sugar she said she was not interested she got really interested afterward. I think she has a lot more going on than me.

Then take my date tonight. I started out tired. But I just got back from it and I am energized. She is a paralegal with a good job and does not want anything from me. She just wants to find a man of substance that is not out to try to jump her bones on the first date. Someone she can talk to and get to know. She is extremely conservative when it comes to men. In fact she was very careful not to drink too much and not to let me kiss her on the lips after the date. Frustrating but you have to understand what we have here. She is very smart, very good looking and is not looking to get anything from me as far as money goes. Don't look at what they say look at what they do.

She is very busy and does not have time to date men her age and fuck around with their immature antics. Along comes me and I am polite and successful and not trying to pin her to the wall and feel her up right away. I don't talk dirty. I am respectful and patient. By the way I need the slow roll on this anyway because I am low on time and energy. She is a perfect long term project. So we have a great time. Good conversation. Lots of complements both ways. She said so many nice things about me. And she is really nice looking. She is 37 YO Italian divorced and no kids. Very nice exotic face. Think Sofia Loren in her younger days and she has that mouth that the women pay so much money to inject with collagen these days to look just like hers. But it is natural and so sexy. Large natural breasts and a fairly good body little heavy but nice. And she is sweet as hell. And very into me. This is good stuff. You damn right I will put the time into this one.

I give her a 9/7/10/? . It may take a while but she is cool with me being married and she has her own car her own job and is going to school to better herself and her own place so we can meet. This will only cost me the dates themselves and nothing else. Pure heaven, now we just need to keep the dates going and see how it progresses. She is good to go for another date soon. May be next week until I can see her but that is ok. Slow roll my brothers, slow roll. But what a nice roll it is. This could be the solution to my quandary. All my others could fall by the wayside and I will have a quality woman with little or not cost. Maybe $200 per month, down from $2000 per month? I can dream can't I? LOL.

More to report after tomorrow. When I see my other Italian, my little 24 YO Hot pageant winner pushing 10's on the Hollywood scale.

Revvo.

So Revvo, congrats on your prolific hobbying. I'm wondering? Since I am on parole and under the eye I am struggling to find time to even get a 1 hr bang in without having to answer for my time. How are you away so much for your multiple dates without raising your SO's suspicions?

I'm always looking for new ideas to keep the hobby going.

P.S. ATF #4 continues to be agreeable in driving to me, getting the FC, and turning around in 1+ hour. I know she is not all about the $$ ,so I am flattered that she will do it. But I'm down to 1 1/2 / week now which is lower than I like. I would like 2 regulars and 1 strange / week.

The recent question about AM success made me (since it is the end of the year) go back and do an accounting of sorts. The results surprised me. While I'm not in the caliber of Wilt Chamberlain's 20,000 women, I may very well be a "man wh*re" with yellow fever. A revelation that wouldn't be a surprise to a few of my friends.

I started on AM around circa 2007. I was single and had been dating a woman for about a year. She dumped me and said since I wasn't seeking a relationship I should join AM. I did. I've been on and off the site now for 6+ years. I usually jump on for a few weeks, and focus on the handful of contacts I make. I play them out, rinse, and repeat.

AM is expensive, but I like that the credits don't expire. This allows me to jump on and off based on needs. I've also noticed that my hit ratio is much lower now than it was when I first started. This may because AM has become more popular AND I am older.

Here's the accounting. I'll only add a few comments about each for brevity's sake. The total count is 18 or about 3/ year.

- (7/9/7/9) Late 30's pinay married spinner, 5'0 and 95 lbs, bisexual. I saw her on and off for a year. CA based.

- (8/7/8/8) Chinese nurse, 5'7", single and size 4. ONS. CA based.

- (6/8/8/9) Pinay nurse, 5'7", single. I saw her on and off for about a year. CA based.

- (8/7/10/10) Korean para-legal, 22, single. Still in contact although she's 25 now. DC based.

- (7/8/10/10) AA admin mid-30's 5'10" 160 lbs DDD's. Still in contact. DC based.

- (8/8/7/8) Korean software dev, 31,5'2", 110 lbs. Contact is random. WA based.

- (10/10/10/9) Chinese MILF, married, late 30's, 5'8", 110 lbs. She's probably the best looking of them all. Still in contact, but she found a major SD. DC based.

- (7/8/9/8) Greek accountant, married, early 40's, has amazing DD's. Still in contact. DC based.

- (7/7/10/10) Chinese Real Estate agent, single, early 20's, 5'4", 120 lbs. Still in contact. NY based.

- (8/9/9/10) mixed AA Native American, single, 5'8", 130 lbs, a total bisexual freak. FL based (moved).

- (7/7/10/10) Korean / Italian HR rep, mid-30's, single (married when I first met her), another bi-sexual freak with DD's. Still in contact. IL based.

- (8/7/8/8) Pinay CSR, married, 5'1", 120 lbs. WA based.

- (7/7/8/7) blonde EMT, single, 5'9", 130 lbs. A bit of freak but also shy. Still in contact. DC based.

- (8/8/8/10) blonde MILF, single, 5'1", 100 lbs. A total freak. DC based.

- (7/8/1/7) Persian MILF, married, 30's, 5'6", 120 lbs. My first stalker. DC based.

- (7/8/10/10) Japanese MILF, married, 5'4", 110 lbs, early 40's. We had an amazing year together. NY based.

- (9/9/9/9) Cambodian student, single, 5'8", 130 lbs. Loved this girl, but our schedules never worked out well. GA based.

- (9/9/9/10) Latina student, married, mid 20's, 5'4", 130 lbs. Close to ATF. Still in contact. DC based.

These are just the AM women, and none of them ever asked me for $. Just wine, dine, and.

BTW- "still in contact" doesn't necessarily mean we're still shagging. It means that we still message / email each other now and then.

I've also been on AFF and Badoo (although both work better for hook-ups in Asia).

My younger single friends are saying that Tinder is the big new thing for hook-ups. I haven't tried it yet since I'm seldom alone on biz trips these days.

Another negative. I'm down to my last 5 credits which is what it costs to contact a POT and they won't let you use it to go to zero. What's up with that? So basically you waste it.

Bike, it sounds like AM has worked well for you! I'm surprised how many single girls are on there.

Bottom line, I think the Female / male ratio is low (possibly inverse),so they have many more choices compared to SA.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1958587]So Revvo, congrats on your prolific hobbying. I'm wondering? Since I am on parole and under the eye I am struggling to find time to even get a 1 hr bang in without having to answer for my time. How are you away so much for your multiple dates without raising your SO's suspicions?

I'm always looking for new ideas to keep the hobby going.

P.S. ATF #4 continues to be agreeable in driving to me, getting the FC, and turning around in 1+ hour. I know she is not all about the $$ ,so I am flattered that she will do it. But I'm down to 1 1/2 / week now which is lower than I like. I would like 2 regulars and 1 strange / week.[/QUOTE]Good question. And thanks. I travel a lot. And my work schedule is extremely flexible. My two regulars my Venezuelan baby (who is moving away at the end of the month), and my little girl next door live in my city, and they have nice cozy little apartments where I can meet them at. The others I have to arrange hotels. If I am traveling to another city for an overnight stay. I either take one with me or extend my visit a little and see them on the way out or in.

I will also add that there is not that much fucking going on lately. More prospecting with a whole ton of flakes in the mix. And that takes more time than anything. Plus I do run out of time sometimes. I cancel on some and delay some.

Settling down to two maybe three at the most for the future. And see my report below about my little Italian paralegal she is being groomed to be a nice long term. Stable affair with no drama. But it is a slow roll.

Also it does not hurt that I am not on the radar.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1958729]Another negative. I'm down to my last 5 credits which is what it costs to contact a POT and they won't let you use it to go to zero. What's up with that? So basically you waste it.

Bike, it sounds like AM has worked well for you! I'm surprised how many single girls are on there.

Bottom line, I think the Female / male ratio is low (possibly inverse),so they have many more choices compared to SA.[/QUOTE]Thanks Fred. Channeling Garrett Morris aka Chico Escuela "AM been berry berry good to me".

The ratio has always been more males than females on AM, and I'll bet that the ratio is around 10 x males to females.

I was very surprised as to the number of singles on AM as well. The explanation is (and why I joined when I was single) they're not looking for a relationship. Strangely, some of the singles only want other singles. Morals I guess. Go figure.

I met most all of the women off of chat. I find it is easier to establish a rapport that way. Chat also allowed me to leverage the law of large numbers and contact more women than I could via email for the same number of credits. Lately, however, my female friends who remain on AM tell me they don't dare venture onto chat because they're bombarded by chat messages. So, I'm adapting. .

As for the 5 credits issue raised by another brother. AM and all of the sites similar have taking our money down to a science that borders on fraud.

Not familiar with that one. Hand job?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1957422]I only show G rated pics. And always emphasize that there will be no intercourse or oral on a first date (knowing there will be on over half of them anyway). It just keeps you from looking like all the other desperate guys out there.

Although I do also emphasize that I need kissing with a HE if they wanna get paid. Otherwise its a civi date to say hi. Their choice. 50% take the FS, 25% take the HE, 25% take the civi date. These are round numbers.

All my current regulars opted for the FS on the first date.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1958664]The recent question about AM success made me (since it is the end of the year) go back and do an accounting of sorts. The results surprised me. While I'm not in the caliber of Wilt Chamberlain's 20,000 women, I may very well be a "man wh*re" with yellow fever. A revelation that wouldn't be a surprise to a few of my friends.

I started on AM around circa 2007. I was single and had been dating a woman for about a year. She dumped me and said since I wasn't seeking a relationship I should join AM. I did. I've been on and off the site now for 6+ years. I usually jump on for a few weeks, and focus on the handful of contacts I make. I play them out, rinse, and repeat.

AM is expensive, but I like that the credits don't expire. This allows me to jump on and off based on needs. I've also noticed that my hit ratio is much lower now than it was when I first started. This may because AM has become more popular AND I am older.

Here's the accounting. I'll only add a few comments about each for brevity's sake. The total count is 18 or about 3/ year.

- (7/9/7/9) Late 30's pinay married spinner, 5'0 and 95 lbs, bisexual. I saw her on and off for a year. CA based.

- (8/7/8/8) Chinese nurse, 5'7", single and size 4. ONS. CA based.

- (6/8/8/9) Pinay nurse, 5'7", single. I saw her on and off for about a year. CA based.

- (8/7/10/10) Korean para-legal, 22, single. Still in contact although she's 25 now. DC based.

- (7/8/10/10) AA admin mid-30's 5'10" 160 lbs DDD's. Still in contact. DC based.

- (8/8/7/8) Korean software dev, 31,5'2", 110 lbs. Contact is random. WA based.

- (10/10/10/9) Chinese MILF, married, late 30's, 5'8", 110 lbs. She's probably the best looking of them all. Still in contact, but she found a major SD. DC based.

- (7/8/9/8) Greek accountant, married, early 40's, has amazing DD's. Still in contact. DC based.

- (7/7/10/10) Chinese Real Estate agent, single, early 20's, 5'4", 120 lbs. Still in contact. NY based.

- (8/9/9/10) mixed AA Native American, single, 5'8", 130 lbs, a total bisexual freak. FL based (moved).

- (7/7/10/10) Korean / Italian HR rep, mid-30's, single (married when I first met her), another bi-sexual freak with DD's. Still in contact. IL based.

- (8/7/8/8) Pinay CSR, married, 5'1", 120 lbs. WA based.

- (7/7/8/7) blonde EMT, single, 5'9", 130 lbs. A bit of freak but also shy. Still in contact. DC based.

- (8/8/8/10) blonde MILF, single, 5'1", 100 lbs. A total freak. DC based.

- (7/8/1/7) Persian MILF, married, 30's, 5'6", 120 lbs. My first stalker. DC based.

- (7/8/10/10) Japanese MILF, married, 5'4", 110 lbs, early 40's. We had an amazing year together. NY based.

- (9/9/9/9) Cambodian student, single, 5'8", 130 lbs. Loved this girl, but our schedules never worked out well. GA based.

- (9/9/9/10) Latina student, married, mid 20's, 5'4", 130 lbs. Close to ATF. Still in contact. DC based.

These are just the AM women, and none of them ever asked me for $. Just wine, dine, and.

BTW- "still in contact" doesn't necessarily mean we're still shagging. It means that we still message / email each other now and then.

I've also been on AFF and Badoo (although both work better for hook-ups in Asia).

My younger single friends are saying that Tinder is the big new thing for hook-ups. I haven't tried it yet since I'm seldom alone on biz trips these days.[/QUOTE]Any estimate on the total fees per month to AM?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1959043]Any estimate on the total fees per month to AM?[/QUOTE]Good question. I'd probably say $400. $600/ yr. Definitely not cheap.

There were two main reasons why I entered the bowl. The first being that getting quality on AM and similar sites was becoming more difficult. The second being that while I wasn't directly paying these women I did wine and dine them. I figured the ROI would be roughly the same.

Right now, I've only two girls in my rotation from the bowl. The AA cheerleader, and another college girl. The rest are women I met on either AM or AFF.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1959222]Good question. I'd probably say $400. $600/ yr. Definitely not cheap.

There were two main reasons why I entered the bowl. The first being that getting quality on AM and similar sites was becoming more difficult. The second being that while I wasn't directly paying these women I did wine and dine them. I figured the ROI would be roughly the same.

Right now, I've only two girls in my rotation from the bowl. The AA cheerleader, and another college girl. The rest are women I met on either AM or AFF.[/QUOTE]So its basically the same price as SD4 M.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1959391]So its basically the same price as SD4 M.[/QUOTE]Pretty much. It's similar cuisines. Everyone has different tastes. Personally, I'm not a big fan of "transactional" dates. I much prefer to have the woman want to be with me because of me rather than the sugar. But, then I'm also a realist and know that few twenty somethings want to be with those of us who are long of tooth unless we can offer something more.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1960523]Pretty much. It's similar cuisines. Everyone has different tastes. Personally, I'm not a big fan of "transactional" dates. I much prefer to have the woman want to be with me because of me rather than the sugar. But, then I'm also a realist and know that few twenty somethings want to be with those of us who are long of tooth unless we can offer something more.[/QUOTE]Drat that pesky Emotional tie that many of us look for.

Even with UTRs (SB #2) and Pros I look for some sign that they like me and don't just look at me as an ATM. Silly I know. I do know my ATF cares about me as an IRL BF. The ultimate question is if she would see me if I couldn't afford to pay her? As long as I can afford the Allowance I will never test her since a deal is a deal. But that would be the ultimate test. My guess is that she would still see me since we have an amazing connection, but that she might seek another SD for the dough. She is not greedy and what I give her seems to be enough since an ex pays her.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1960553]I do know my ATF cares about me as an IRL BF. The ultimate question is if she would see me if I couldn't afford to pay her? As long as I can afford the Allowance I will never test her since a deal is a deal. But that would be the ultimate test. My guess is that she would still see me since we have an amazing connection.[/QUOTE]Same here. We recently had an unusual week where we were able to see each other twice, with the 2nd time being a last minute decision on my part to play rather than work. She made a point of saying that she just wanted to see me and to skip the sugar (which if anyone is following my tame-by-comparison adventure, she's done that a few times before).

I've been tempted to go allowance, but between the issue of her not wanting a Green Dot and some other recent drama, I've held back on that. And what occurs to me now is that it would deprive her of the ability to definitively demonstrate that she's not in it for the money. I appreciate her more on the occasions she does that, and I think it makes her feel good to do it.

Interesting twist anyway.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;1960600]Same here. We recently had an unusual week where we were able to see each other twice, with the 2nd time being a last minute decision on my part to play rather than work. She made a point of saying that she just wanted to see me and to skip the sugar (which if anyone is following my tame-by-comparison adventure, she's done that a few times before).

I've been tempted to go allowance, but between the issue of her not wanting a Green Dot and some other recent drama, I've held back on that. And what occurs to me now is that it would deprive her of the ability to definitively demonstrate that she's not in it for the money. I appreciate her more on the occasions she does that, and I think it makes her feel good to do it.

Interesting twist anyway.[/QUOTE]I want them to be in it for the money and the honey. The money gives me leverage that even if unspoken is understood. And the honey to make it sweeter. But it has to be both or its just a paid booty call (or worse) some girl that thinks she has some control over you.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1960813]I want them to be in it for the money and the honey. The money gives me leverage that even if unspoken is understood. And the honey to make it sweeter. But it has to be both or its just a paid booty call (or worse) some girl that thinks she has some control over you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, well she doesn't turn down the money, and she definitely can use it. She also was quick on the draw when she decided that the GD card wasn't something she was comfortable with.

But she's also at least equally hooked on the emotional support and mentoring that I provide. Maybe even more so, because those are things that are making a bigger difference in her life and where it's headed, and she damned well knows it. And you can't buy that with money.

But your approach is clearly working well for you and your situation, and I see your logic. If I was able to play the game the way you do, I'd probably have a similar attitude. But then again I'm probably an outlier on the range of the normal SD / SB dynamic.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;1960827]Yeah, well she doesn't turn down the money, and she definitely can use it. She also was quick on the draw when she decided that the GD card wasn't something she was comfortable with.

But she's also at least equally hooked on the emotional support and mentoring that I provide. Maybe even more so, because those are things that are making a bigger difference in her life and where it's headed, and she damned well knows it. And you can't buy that with money.

But your approach is clearly working well for you and your situation, and I see your logic. If I was able to play the game the way you do, I'd probably have a similar attitude. But then again I'm probably an outlier on the range of the normal SD / SB dynamic.[/QUOTE]Thats why the $ offer is so relevant. I can get a hottie a day at $ $ But they are only in it to win it. But at $ a day there has to be an interest in more than just the cash. And cash only girls even if they are good in bed are never really good enough in the long haul to keep my attention. It is the emotional dynamic that keeps me in the sugar bowl as opposed to the UTR world.

Got back on SA, and was able to land a 19 yr old with no meet and greet. She came to my house (rented apartment I got on my Airbnb account under a fake name).

Because even though I'm single I want to hide my identity initially. We talk for a bit exchanged about less then 20 text back and forth. She complained her last sugar daddy was cheap only 100 bucks and dinner every time they met, and the other sugar daddy that gave her 400 per meet only hooked up with her once. 100 bucks is pretty cheap for my local market. She came to the apartment, she was a little bigger than her pics, but I don't mind thick girls with some booty. We talked for about an hour. She is pretty smart and seems pretty normal, her grand parents are actually millionaires from a law suit. She has a good family and actually had to cancel our first get together because of a family get together. Cool with her mom, but had some daddy issues, because her dad gave up on her when she went through a rebel phase. She seemed pretty normal and not give off any P.S.ycho alert that I look for in sugar babies. She doesn't tell any of her friends about this, another sign she is normal.

She only has one friend that she tell about this, and she is a topless waitress in California, that and the fact she had a p4 p one night stand with a sd are the only warning signs I saw that concerned me, also the fact that she came to my house without a meet and greet seemed UTRish, but I'm close to her age and she claims that I was the only SD she didn't meet in public first. She was also expecting the one night stand with the SD to turn into an ongoing thing he just never called her again.

Enough with her P.S.ychological profilelshe Philipino 5'4 with a nice round ass. Oral was ok I popped twice and she seemed to have fun as well. Right now she is on booty call SB status. I will see her again, but I think there maybe better deals to be had, but the fact that she is pretty normal and attractive are major plus's. I will continue to explore trying to get 1 to 2 quality SB's as far as looks and not being P.S.ycho into rotation for the winter season. Not a bad re entry into the bowl considered that I didn't have to do a meet and greet first and the texting was minimal.

All the activity on the thread is good to see, and the contributed wisdom and experience is a real benefit to the skill sets of pussy hounds everywhere. I hope it keeps up.

As for the resident senior geezer, or one of them anyway, I report 2013 brought me only four new sbs actually fucked. Well, one was really a stripper. Another was a 27 divorced mom, very hot ("I haven't been with an older guy before," she said euphemistically, "but that was the best sex I've had in a long time." I just said, oh yeah? But I was giving myself a high five and yes! On the inside).

The other two were terrible. A 23 yo skinny country girl but big boobs and tobacco reek all over her and especially in her mouth, dumb as a pineapple. She texted and called me for months, when you comin back? What happened to you? Etc. Also a 30-something fatty covered with tats who talked incessantly and was impossible to arouse. Big downer to ye old ego. She too wanted more insertions of sugar afterwards but I knew the truth, she didn't really love me for myself! Plus I couldn't stand another minute of her jibber jabber.

Uniquely, in 2013 I made dates through sd4 m for another 4-5 girls and canceled them. They all seemed attractive enough from the chat and pix but the bad experiences decreased the excitement level of my anticipation I guess and in some cases I was just tired and in others got distracted by a football game and such.

Such is geezerdom! Bored or too tired or distracted (sometimes) even for young pussy.

Still the four new actually fucked females takes me over 90 lifetime, not much I know for some of you seriosuly priapic brothers, but I'm pleased. I didn't start mongering until I was 56 and for all the years before that I was only about 30 total. Of course I didn't have p4 p for the 30 (unless you count the financial nuclear bomb that was my first wife).

Anyway, happy holidays to all fellow mongers and may all your 2014 pots lift their skirts for you and may they all be wet.

Lit2.

With a reminder to myself and all other mongers that the world of anonymous sex forums is seldom as it appears, I am passing along an interesting PM I received.

[I]I am taking the liberty of sending you a link to a survey of baby boomer hobbyists aged 60+ being conducted by Dr. Christine Milrod. She is a legitimate sex counselor and researcher. I included her website and email in this PM. She's conducting a serious, completely anonymous, study of mature hobbyists because it's not been studied before and the bulk of past research is limited to street prostitutes. ********** about 20 minutes with about 100 questions. Personally I thought it was very interesting. You can contact *** Dr. Milrod directly, if you have any questions.

Here is the link: https://www.psychdata.com/s.asp?SID=157878

Christine Milrod, PhD, LMFT, AASECT
info@sexandlifecoaching.com
www.sexandlifecoaching.com[/I]

I know nothing about this survey and haven't decided whether I will participate or not. Mainly I'm too paranoid. However, I wish [I]somebody[/I] would study the true components of normal male sexual happiness, mature and otherwise. There is so much political bullshit about what's normal and natural and what's not. I read in the news that Utah is about to legislate approval of gay marriage; this in a state which was universally condemned for legal polygamy for decades. Excuse me? Gay sex is ok and natural but polygamy isn't?

I was initially attracted to usasg because its members routinely referred to the USA as sex prison, a term I wholeheartedly agree with. Maybe if there is more serious research demonstrating that it is normal for men to find happiness by having sex with multiple women, our country will become more tolerant of our practice and the bars of the prison, such as draconian divorce laws and public humiliation for infidelity, will disintegrate.

I don't think old men are much different from young men in their fantasies and desires. There is for many of us a wonderful crossover point in life when our attractive bodies and potency have faded but our bank accounts have swelled and we find that fucking multiple young women without complications has become much easier than it ever was when we were young, and the advent of sugarbaby websites has made it even easier.

[QUOTE=RobTaylor;1961691]Got back on SA, and was able to land a 19 yr old with no meet and greet. She came to my house (rented apartment I got on my Airbnb account under a fake name).

Because even though I'm single I want to hide my identity initially. We talk for a bit exchanged about less then 20 text back and forth. She complained her last sugar daddy was cheap only 100 bucks and dinner every time they met, and the other sugar daddy that gave her 400 per meet only hooked up with her once. 100 bucks is pretty cheap for my local market. She came to the apartment, she was a little bigger than her pics, but I don't mind thick girls with some booty. We talked for about an hour. She is pretty smart and seems pretty normal, her grand parents are actually millionaires from a law suit. She has a good family and actually had to cancel our first get together because of a family get together. Cool with her mom, but had some daddy issues, because her dad gave up on her when she went through a rebel phase. She seemed pretty normal and not give off any P.S.ycho alert that I look for in sugar babies. She doesn't tell any of her friends about this, another sign she is normal.

She only has one friend that she tell about this, and she is a topless waitress in California, that and the fact she had a p4 p one night stand with a sd are the only warning signs I saw that concerned me, also the fact that she came to my house without a meet and greet seemed UTRish, but I'm close to her age and she claims that I was the only SD she didn't meet in public first. She was also expecting the one night stand with the SD to turn into an ongoing thing he just never called her again.

Enough with her P.S.ychological profilelshe Philipino 5'4 with a nice round ass. Oral was ok I popped twice and she seemed to have fun as well. Right now she is on booty call SB status. I will see her again, but I think there maybe better deals to be had, but the fact that she is pretty normal and attractive are major plus's. I will continue to explore trying to get 1 to 2 quality SB's as far as looks and not being P.S.ycho into rotation for the winter season. Not a bad re entry into the bowl considered that I didn't have to do a meet and greet first and the texting was minimal.[/QUOTE]You never did state what you paid her. Add in the room cost and any other cost and it might be a bit pricey. If you still want to continue with her, make her do every sexual move you ever wanted out of a girl. And for as long as you want. No excuses. Or back her down to $ a meet.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1962907]With a reminder to myself and all other mongers that the world of anonymous sex forums is seldom as it appears, I am passing along an interesting PM I received.

[I]I am taking the liberty of sending you a link to a survey of baby boomer hobbyists aged 60+ being conducted by Dr. Christine Milrod. She is a legitimate sex counselor and researcher. I included her website and email in this PM. She's conducting a serious, completely anonymous, study of mature hobbyists because it's not been studied before and the bulk of past research is limited to street prostitutes. ********** about 20 minutes with about 100 questions. Personally I thought it was very interesting. You can contact *** Dr. Milrod directly, if you have any questions.

Here is the link: https://www.psychdata.com/s.asp?SID=157878

Christine Milrod, PhD, LMFT, AASECT
info@sexandlifecoaching.com
www.sexandlifecoaching.com[/I]

I know nothing about this survey and haven't decided whether I will participate or not. Mainly I'm too paranoid. However, I wish [I]somebody[/I] would study the true components of normal male sexual happiness, mature and otherwise. There is so much political bullshit about what's normal and natural and what's not. I read in the news that Utah is about to legislate approval of gay marriage; this in a state which was universally condemned for legal polygamy for decades. Excuse me? Gay sex is ok and natural but polygamy isn't?

I was initially attracted to usasg because its members routinely referred to the USA as sex prison, a term I wholeheartedly agree with. Maybe if there is more serious research demonstrating that it is normal for men to find happiness by having sex with multiple women, our country will become more tolerant of our practice and the bars of the prison, such as draconian divorce laws and public humiliation for infidelity, will disintegrate.

I don't think old men are much different from young men in their fantasies and desires. There is for many of us a wonderful crossover point in life when our attractive bodies and potency have faded but our bank accounts have swelled and we find that fucking multiple young women without complications has become much easier than it ever was when we were young, and the advent of sugarbaby websites has made it even easier.[/QUOTE]Worlwide everyone knows that men having multiple partners is totally normal as is practiced routinely in many many countries and is legal. In the bible all the powers that be including Abraham (demanded by G*d) and Noah had more than one partner (King David was reported to have 1000 consorts). Even in the puritanical US of A all men of means are expected to have more than one woman if for no other reason than to assert their alpha status. Although I am sure that is just an extra on top of the real reason. And lets not even talk about the legal age of marriage in some countries (12 to 16).

Studying this topic is a total waste of time. IMHO.

I started reading this thread in February of this year and was immediately hooked. I began to explore a couple of the SD sites and sent out notes in earnest in April. I've learned a ton through the combined wisdom of the brothers on here and felt it was time to look back and recap. I didn't keep records of how many initial letters I sent out but I'm sure it ran into the hundreds. I estimate I went on about 25 M&G's since May. Of those 25,11 have wound up with POF; another five were willing but after I met them in person I elected not to move forward. Of the 10 or so that I met with that I didn't succeed in bedding, it was a mixed bag. Over half of them decided not to go forward for reasons other than sugar amount. In some cases I would say that they got cold feet, and decided that they just weren't ready to take the plunge. This seemed to be the case with several girls that I would say were absolutely new to the idea of a sugar relationship. In other cases it was due to either a lack of attraction to me or shortcomings in my closing game; as I've seen them subsequently active on SA. The rest boiled down to dollars. I decided early on that I would try and stick to HG's program of $ per visit; and have been generally successful. My first couple of girls were one and done; one by my choice and one by hers (we had not discussed sugar, she refused to tell me what she was thinking, so I gave her $ and when I contacted her again she said she really needed $ I had one girl for a couple of months at $.5 a visit, and one at $$ per week, and my current regular is 500 per month. Of the 11, I am still seeing two. Of the nine that aren't around anymore, only one broke off with me. I haven't had any real drama from any of the girls, and most have been to my house. All in all it has been a great year.

The $ a visit allowance isn't always a success. In the last couple of weeks I have had M&G's with two girls set up who had agreed to $, only to have them flake on me. I think both of them were more UTR types supplementing the budget for the holidays who may have gotten a better offer.

I came very close to throwing the budget to the winds this week. I met a 21 year old blond, green-eyed spinner who said she was absolutely new to the bowl. She works as a bartender, had moved here from out of state, has her own apartment with no roommates. I was captivated by her. We met a second time to go over expectations and get the money talk out of the way. She agreed to everything I put on the table, and lightly traced her nails on the back of my hand as we talked. I asked her what she felt she needed as far as financial help, and she wouldn't say. I offered $$ per week, which would cover her rent, and without hesitation she refused. I asked again what she had in mind since she was so quick to reject my offer and she still said she didn't know. We were pressed for time, so I had to leave and told her that I would be in touch the next day and would think about the finances. She gave me a terrific kiss and walked me to the door. On the drive home she texted me and said she had canceled her plans for the next day so that we could get together-and oh, by the way, could I have her allowance for her then. That night I thought long and hard about upping the ante, even if it meant cutting my current regular loose, because I REALLY wanted this girl. Eventually, blood returned to my brain and I began to think of the anomalies. On our very first scheduled M&G, she flaked without a call or a text. I had overlooked it when she apologized the next day, but it called into question her reliability. We had the financial discussion at her apartment, which was very nice and nicely furnished. I had taken that as a good sign, but now began to wonder how she afforded it, based on the back story and what I knew of her job. Finally there was the matter of the allowance. I had said "per week" and she kept coming back with "per month", and still hadn't given me an idea of what she wanted. Basically I was about to start bidding against myself, throwing numbers out there until she heard one she liked, and she was expecting a month's worth up front. She sent me another nice text that evening, saying she was looking forward to the next day. I responded that I was thinking things through and would be in touch. The next morning, with a clear head, I told her that I would not be able to meet her needs and wished her well. She fired back a couple of snarky comments, that I politely deflected, then she ended our conversation pleasantly. She was the prototype of what I am looking for if everything she said had turned out to be true, but I think I made the right choice. I am sure I will continue second-guessing myself for a while.

Well, I'll be damned.

Dr Milrod is a sex therapist. Checking out her site after HG's comment to see whether she was engaged in a total waste of time, I see she charges $180 per hour to fix sex problems.

She's also written multiple scholarly studies on 1 men who patronize prostitutes, 2 preferences of men who patronize internet sex sites, 3 "Emotion Management among the Clients of Escorts," 4 "The Internet Hobbyist," and other articles. This lady appears to be seriously studying our culture.

Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1962968]Well, I'll be damned.

Dr Milrod is a sex therapist. Checking out her site after HG's comment to see whether she was engaged in a total waste of time, I see she charges $180 per hour to fix sex problems.

She's also written multiple scholarly studies on 1 men who patronize prostitutes, 2 preferences of men who patronize internet sex sites, 3 "Emotion Management among the Clients of Escorts," 4 "The Internet Hobbyist," and other articles. This lady appears to be seriously studying our culture.[/QUOTE]Probably because she isn't gettin any or she is tired of dating broke guys and is trying to figure how to get paid for what she is already giving away for free. Or maybe she just figures she will jump on the wealth re-distribution band wagon and take money from guys that have proven they like to spend it.

[QUOTE=Almsga62;1963011]Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.[/QUOTE]Just ask her straight up if she ever wished she had a rich boyfriend. That should get the convo going.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1962955]I started reading this thread in February of this year and was immediately hooked. I began to explore a couple of the SD sites and sent out notes in earnest in April. I've learned a ton through the combined wisdom of the brothers on here and felt it was time to look back and recap. I didn't keep records of how many initial letters I sent out but I'm sure it ran into the hundreds. I estimate I went on about 25 M&G's since May. Of those 25,11 have wound up with POF; another five were willing but after I met them in person I elected not to move forward. Of the 10 or so that I met with that I didn't succeed in bedding, it was a mixed bag. Over half of them decided not to go forward for reasons other than sugar amount. In some cases I would say that they got cold feet, and decided that they just weren't ready to take the plunge. This seemed to be the case with several girls that I would say were absolutely new to the idea of a sugar relationship. In other cases it was due to either a lack of attraction to me or shortcomings in my closing game; as I've seen them subsequently active on SA. The rest boiled down to dollars. I decided early on that I would try and stick to HG's program of $ per visit; and have been generally successful. My first couple of girls were one and done; one by my choice and one by hers (we had not discussed sugar, she refused to tell me what she was thinking, so I gave her $ and when I contacted her again she said she really needed $ I had one girl for a couple of months at $.5 a visit, and one at $$ per week, and my current regular is 500 per month. Of the 11, I am still seeing two. Of the nine that aren't around anymore, only one broke off with me. I haven't had any real drama from any of the girls, and most have been to my house. All in all it has been a great year.

The $ a visit allowance isn't always a success. In the last couple of weeks I have had M&G's with two girls set up who had agreed to $, only to have them flake on me. I think both of them were more UTR types supplementing the budget for the holidays who may have gotten a better offer.

I came very close to throwing the budget to the winds this week. I met a 21 year old blond, green-eyed spinner who said she was absolutely new to the bowl. She works as a bartender, had moved here from out of state, has her own apartment with no roommates. I was captivated by her. We met a second time to go over expectations and get the money talk out of the way. She agreed to everything I put on the table, and lightly traced her nails on the back of my hand as we talked. I asked her what she felt she needed as far as financial help, and she wouldn't say. I offered $$ per week, which would cover her rent, and without hesitation she refused. I asked again what she had in mind since she was so quick to reject my offer and she still said she didn't know. We were pressed for time, so I had to leave and told her that I would be in touch the next day and would think about the finances. She gave me a terrific kiss and walked me to the door. On the drive home she texted me and said she had canceled her plans for the next day so that we could get together-and oh, by the way, could I have her allowance for her then. That night I thought long and hard about upping the ante, even if it meant cutting my current regular loose, because I REALLY wanted this girl. Eventually, blood returned to my brain and I began to think of the anomalies. On our very first scheduled M&G, she flaked without a call or a text. I had overlooked it when she apologized the next day, but it called into question her reliability. We had the financial discussion at her apartment, which was very nice and nicely furnished. I had taken that as a good sign, but now began to wonder how she afforded it, based on the back story and what I knew of her job. Finally there was the matter of the allowance. I had said "per week" and she kept coming back with "per month", and still hadn't given me an idea of what she wanted. Basically I was about to start bidding against myself, throwing numbers out there until she heard one she liked, and she was expecting a month's worth up front. She sent me another nice text that evening, saying she was looking forward to the next day. I responded that I was thinking things through and would be in touch. The next morning, with a clear head, I told her that I would not be able to meet her needs and wished her well. She fired back a couple of snarky comments, that I politely deflected, then she ended our conversation pleasantly. She was the prototype of what I am looking for if everything she said had turned out to be true, but I think I made the right choice. I am sure I will continue second-guessing myself for a while.[/QUOTE]You did the right thing. I pay my regulars by the week (or even one by the visit). I used to pay some in the past by the month. Not anymore unless its just a couple hundred on account.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1963039]Just ask her straight up if she ever wished she had a rich boyfriend. That should get the convo going.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Will do.

[QUOTE=Almsga62;1963054]Thanks. Will do.[/QUOTE]Tell her she can start small. Like what if she never had to pay her cel phone or car insurance ever again? We know its probably only going to last a few months. But it could last for years. And sometimes it does.

[QUOTE=Almsga62;1963011]How to break the ice.
Guys I need some advice. I know a single mom with 3 kids. She's nice looking cute sweet girl. Low paying job. Trying to make ends meet. No help from baby daddy. I been giving some amounts lunch money 5 10 sometimes a 20. I can give more. Would like to be FWB type sugar baby. Don't know how to move forward. Not sure if she would be into that. Her age is 29. She does need money.[/QUOTE]You don't have to move forward, she will. Just remain in the picture with a few dollars here and there which sounds like what has been going on. It will happen she'll need a hundred and the clothes will come flying off. Don't link the money to performance but time it that way. The only problem I see is the part about the three kids and the low paying job. This is bound to get expensive. Watch for being played. I wouldn't plant both feet. Do not become emotionally involved and for God's sake don't get attached to the kids. Do not spend more than you could strike a match and burn. Watch for trends, changes in the interaction and for that it's a good idea to keep notes that you date. I think I said don't get emotionally involved and don't get attached to the kids.

So I have been on SA for a month and today I let my subscription run. I have been texting with about 6 women and so far nothing. Well last week I had my 2nd m&g with an amazing woman. She is a 22 year old college student and a part time lingerie model. This woman was stunning. We were having dinner (yes I know rookie mistake) and when she went to the bathroom the waiter said to me "Dude she is super hot". This got me thinking, was it obvious that this girl was only with me for the money or was he just your typical dumb ass who doesn't realize that you shouldn't say something like that to a customer. This kid was super dumb and super slow. Worst service every.

Well long story story she wants $500 per date! She said she has had only one other sugar daddy that she met at a bar and when he moved away a friend of hers told her about SA. She said that her previous SD gave her $800 per visit. Now don't get me wrong this woman is woth $500 but I just don't think she is going to get it from me. At least not until I have had a chance with another SB I have met once and hope to meet again this week.

I hear a lot of guys saying they can get p*ssy for $ or $ Well I guess I am just getting stuck with top self SB cause a lot of girls have laughed at my initial offer of $. The lowest I could get was from this white trash country chick who said she would want $250 for the first time and then maybe she could come down lower.

So needless to say the prices are too high for me right now and I guess I need to meet more desperate women who are willing to take lower. But $500, yeah not going to happen... At least not now. I'll know I'll eventually cave in.

HAPPY HOLIDAY to all of my new friends out there.

Stay Thirsty my friends.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270}
I hear a lot of guys saying they can get p*ssy for $ or $ Well I guess I am just getting stuck with top self SB cause a lot of girls have laughed at my initial offer of $. The lowest I could get was from this white trash country chick who said she would want $250 for the first time and then maybe she could come down lower.
[/QUOTE]

As I said earlier, I have had a lot of success this year in the $ range. All of these girls are attractive, the oldest was 29, and there were no "BBW"; but I wouldn't rate any of them a 10. For me an attractive 22-29 year old woman in my bed seems like a fantasy, she doesn't have to be flawless for me to count my blessings. I am fortunate to live in an urban area with a couple of colleges where there are lots of hot young women and not enough money to go around, so the pool is pretty deep. There are plenty of perfect 10 knockouts on SA here, and I have messaged my share of them but haven't gotten many nibbles from them at the $ price point, and really not many when I don't mention an amount in my opening email. I'll keep throwing my line at them; but if my wheelhouse remains the normally attractive 22-29 year old women I've been meeting, I stay in this budget, and continue to have success then I will remain very happy. Keep us posted on what happens with your future wife and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270]...Now don't get me wrong this woman is woth $500 but I just don't think she is going to get it from ...[/QUOTE]My 2 cents, no SB is worth $500 for one meeting. If you've got $ to burn, mabe it means different, but not here.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;1963270]So I have been on SA for a month and today I let my subscription run. I have been texting with about 6 women and so far nothing. Well last week I had my 2nd m&g with an amazing woman. She is a 22 year old college student and a part time lingerie model. This woman was stunning. We were having dinner (yes I know rookie mistake) and when she went to the bathroom the waiter said to me "Dude she is super hot". This got me thinking, was it obvious that this girl was only with me for the money or was he just your typical dumb ass who doesn't realize that you shouldn't say something like that to a customer. This kid was super dumb and super slow. Worst service every.

Well long story story she wants $500 per date! She said she has had only one other sugar daddy that she met at a bar and when he moved away a friend of hers told her about SA. She said that her previous SD gave her $800 per visit. Now don't get me wrong this woman is woth $500 but I just don't think she is going to get it from me. At least not until I have had a chance with another SB I have met once and hope to meet again this week.

I hear a lot of guys saying they can get p*ssy for $ or $ Well I guess I am just getting stuck with top self SB cause a lot of girls have laughed at my initial offer of $. The lowest I could get was from this white trash country chick who said she would want $250 for the first time and then maybe she could come down lower.

So needless to say the prices are too high for me right now and I guess I need to meet more desperate women who are willing to take lower. But $500, yeah not going to happen... At least not now. I'll know I'll eventually cave in.

HAPPY HOLIDAY to all of my new friends out there.

Stay Thirsty my friends.[/QUOTE]Keep at it bro. Top model/actress quality white girls in Hollywood are only asking $ $ $. AA and mixed are at $ $.

15-Dec I see I have 8 hot UTR girls (all 19 to 22) on my spreadsheet that have all agreed to my $ offer that I never even followed up on, as they are all obvious pros, even if they are UTR girls. The non pro search continues. Looking forward to my roommate date tonight. I only have a couple interesting POTS at this time. Lets see if any of them pull through. I couldn't wait and had a quickie with my roommate about 11 am. Took her out to trendy place downtown for dinner as a treat. Overall I am at 12 total sessions with 6 different girls (my 3 regulars plus 3 booty call girls) in 15 days. My half month expenses are at 2 k already, but I always overspend during the holidays.

16-Dec Chatted up a few POTS on my day off of dating.

17-Dec My "Princess" came over today at 1 pm for a sleepover till late tomorrow night. We did it twice today.

18-Dec Worked all day, ate dinner and then took a nap. Woke up to my baby. Spent the next 3 hours alone with her and then took her home. As the year ends I always plan for the new one. I don't see anything getting in the way of another whole year with her. I have my other 2 girls and don't have to ditch anyone. As a prior post mentioned, the breakup thing is a drag. None of that this season, which seems to be a popular time for people to do that (or for me anyway). I never carry over a bad relationship from one year over to the next. And I,m not in any bad relationships with them or any random girls. I will have to maintain things to keep them all happy. Hopefully my paycheck allows for that and the occasional interview.

19-Dec My stalker X is in jail till at least until after the new year. Hopefully 3 months of that wises her up a little. A bad girl that was trying to go good when I met her. I guess the responsibility was too much. And she went back to her old ways. Had an awesome roommate date tonite.

20-Dec Stayed home. Another boring night in Hollywood. Chatted up a few POTS.

21-Dec Did a M & G with a 18 year old pretty AA girl. Maybe a 8.5/9/8/?. She was 5'3' and about 110 lbs. Very exotic looking, doll faced girl. I hope to spend Christmas day with her, as neither of us has anywhere to go.

22-Dec Had a roommate date at 2 pm. Followed that up with a nap and a protein drink. Then it was off to my 9 pm date with my ATF MILF. Came home and passed out cold.

23-Dec Chatted up a couple POTS after work. Then went and picked up my "Little Princess" at 10 pm from the club. After we got home I pounded her like a big girl for the first time. She has come a long way. I know most guys wouldn't hang in there, but I'm glad I did. She is my AA dream girl sexy pixie princess come true. I have been with a lot of teens that are already fully matured so to speak. But I brought this one from near virginity to being as hot on the inside as she is on the outside. Having my roommate and my MILF got me through the frustrating times. I also had an end of the year heart to heart with all three about the other two (not that it was ever a secret). I just want us to be a happy family in the year going forward. No two at a time in bed or hanging out together or anything like that. Just the total acceptance and love I need to be able to stay focused on work and the bigger picture. Which is to enhance the quality of all of our lives in the coming year. With no jealousy or anxiety about the future. Life is good.

I figured I might as well put up my end of the year recap since I feel like I need a break and won't jump back in for a week.

I joined the bowl end of September I think. Probably sent out hundreds of messages on sd4 m and much of it was learning as I was doing and by reading this board regularly.

In the three months I had:

1 M&G Flake. Just didn't show after confirming an hour before and no response to any follow-ups.

8 M&G.

Out of the 8 M&G: 2 stopped responding afterwards, 3 went straight to FC from the M&G, 1 went to FC on the second date, 2 I'm still in touch with and I think it's still 50/50.

The youngest was 18 (2), the oldest was prob mid 30 (1), the majority were early 20's (4). 2 single moms-I was expecting more.

Thanks to the advice on this board, I had a form ready to go and made adjustments / changes as I saw fit.

I offer $ and cover expenses. I know for sure one of the no-followup-responses was due to the amount, but I figure anything more then I might as well hit up HX.

I even went after the ones I wasn't too interested in to use it as a learning experience. < I think this was key to my learning.

FC recap.

#1: early 20's, $/ date, FC on M&G. Saw her regularly for about 2 months with about half overnights. I wasn't too physically attracted to her but for $ I spent all night and morning in all 3 holes. I cut her off recently because I wasn't having as much fun and I found some others to fill in for now.

#2: 18, $/ date, FC on 2nd date. She's young but from what I've gathered, she's on her way to UTR if not already there. First time was great cause I haven't had an 18 yo in a while, but that wore off and her inadequate skills got to me. After a weekly first month, I've cut back to once a month and she hasn't raised an issue. I'm keeping her as a booty call as long as she keeps answering the call.

#3: 18, $/ date, FC on M&G. She's definitely an UTR even if she doesn't know it. First M&G was .12 out of pocket for drinks before I had her twice in her garage when dropping her off. I was very disappointed when I first met her. She looked nothing like her picture and much bigger than what I like, but I went along with it thinking it'd be good practice. When the clothes came off I was even more disappointed, but it was dark and I soldiered on. By the end of that night my CPO was at .06 and I figured I was done with her. Since she's so close and only $ for an all I can fuck buffet, I've returned a few times. She's got a detached garage with a couch that's become our designated FC and so far she's gone along with anything I've been wanting, so I'm keeping her around as an irregular SB as long as the terms don't change.

#4: early 20's, $.25/ date, FC on M&G. This one's the best skilled out of all 4 so far. I've been seeing her weekly since the beginning of this month. The only issue has been coordinating our schedules. She'll be my regular until one of my 2 POTs hopefully come through.

All four as far as I know are not new to the bowl and knows how it works. The 2 that dropped off contact were entirely new to the bowl and so are the 2 POTs that I'm still in contact with. I pushed for FC right away with the 2 that dropped all contact. Since I'm in no rush, I'm taking it a little slower with the 2 newbies to see if the results change.

The first couple M&G, I felt like I should give whatever she wanted to get to the FC but now my mind is thinking with more sense. The 18 yo newbie that stopped returning all messages could have asked for $date and I might have thought real hard about it. Now I realize that although they have something I want (a co-playmate in the FC), I have something they need (If one turns me down, there's probably 3 or 4 new ones popping up on sd4 m each night.

I hope some of what I wrote can be of some use to someone.

Hi fellow Bowl-ers.

I enjoy the updates and will add my own. Nothing too exciting actually, but have been with my regular SB since the summer. She is more busy these days with work and family so I have spent my time looking for new action. My current SB has never been really been great in bed but has so many other good qualities that she is simply fun to be around. She is on a monthly allowance which I now regret but will keep up for a while longer. My advice to newbies...don't go the allowance route.

Similar to Lit2, as a geezer I am easily distracted...I actually have an interesting busy life, so seeking out new POT's is not always at the top of my list. That being said I started out the year with a flake who M&G and said "follow her to her place" and slipped away by another route after getting the sugar from me. Lesson learned. I still see her ad in various places so figure she must be a professional rip-off artist. Last week had a M&G with a 35 why / o who was really rough looking, so pass on that. Cost $.0. In my area the bowl is not so deep so looking in nearby areas. From my SA ad I have one POT to meet after the holiday. We have swapped a couple emails and phone calls so looking forward to that. Since some have has success with AM I will check that out.

As an older guy with some free time, no wife and a jingle in my pocket, this is a fun way of meeting people. The escort market had gotten so seedy and nasty in my area that I gave that up log ago.

Wishing all good hunting for 2014!

Krusty.

Saw that some of my brothers are posting summaries of this past year. Sounds like a good idea and thought I would do the same:

#1. Athletic SB I had just hooked up with at the tail end of 2012. As we were starting 2013, she said she needed to put a temporary halt to our arrangement because of some personal issues going on in her life. She touched base with me periodically through the first part of the year, but after doing some internet investigative work, I found that she was being at least partially dishonest about her personal issues. To this day, I still don't know the real reasons why she called things off. Either way, the temporary halt to our arrangement became permanent. Too bad for me, I liked her an awful lot.

#2. Amateur model SB. After one evening together, I just wasn't feeling any connection with her. I think she felt the same also as she didn't try to text me after that evening.

#3. Young MILF SB. Once she got to the FC, she became cold and unresponsive and seemed like she'd rather be anywhere else. Completely turned me off. Deflected her requests for another date, which pissed her off.

#4. Shy SB. Nice enough girl, but no connection whatsoever. Two FC dates and I had to move on as I was just not feeling it.

#5. UTR "SB". She would have been a keeper had she not clearly been a semi-pro or UTR. Saw her twice and couldn't bring myself to contact for a third one as I was really turned off by whatever (or whoever) else she was doing besides me. She didn't bother to contact me either, which was fine with me.

#6. Older woman. What a strange, strange M&G that turned out to be. Only saw her once after she responded to a CL ad that was set up for POTs, but she claimed (or feigned) ignorance of the bowl. She claimed or feigned that she was in a marriage devoid of affection and intimacy and she was looking for some of that on the side. We played around a bit and it seemed like this would be the start of something fun but I never heard back from her after that night. I have no clue what happened to her or what that night was really about.

#7. Sin City SB. Hooked up with this one while visiting Vegas. We had such a great connection, I thought we might be able to build a real relationship out of it. That notion lasted about 2 weeks after I left Vegas when she cut me loose to do who knows what.

#8. Scared POT. Met up with a POT from SA. She seemed cool with everything so I drove us to the FC. From the beginning of the drive to the FC, she started making excuses why she may not be able to go through with it but then just as quickly would dismiss them. She was obviously getting cold feet but when I would offer to put the brakes on things, she said she'd be fine. But when we got to the FC she kept wavering between hot and cold. She finally made an excuse that she had to go but offered a quickie to me, which I declined. When I tried to follow up with her the next day, she said she felt ashamed of herself and didn't know if she would ever be ready. I told her to keep me in mind if she should change her mind and that was the last I heard of her.

#9. Thief SB. Very attractive SB who gave me bad attitude on our 3rd date and so that ended things. Then she contacted me again a few weeks later wanting to patch things over. So we met in the FC a couple days later and after less than an hour there when she was out of my sight for just a minute, she reached into my overnight bag and took the envelope with part of her sugar, pocketed it, then made an excuse to go out to her car and bolted. Taught me a lesson about not trusting these girls, no matter how well you think you know their character.

#10. One night SB. This girl was great, but didn't respond to texts I sent looking to set up a date beyond the first. I treated her really well and she seemed to be really into the arrangement, so I don't know what happened there.

#11. Current SB. Truly submissive and loves to please. Risk taker. Spinner. Highly sexual. Bi and actively looking for another woman to join us. If she contacted me other than to set up dates, she would be the perfect SB, but she is really lacking in communication outside of convos about date plans.

Following the tradition here. Let me post my experience.

On and off this year with mixed emotions.

1. Beautiful SB in NY: Had 3 FC meets, started with best one but then gradually we lost the interest in date 2, 3. 3rd date was at beautiful mountains, at very expensive hotel, but we did cutoff the date due to differences. Not in touch since then. Glad that chapter is over.

2. Thief SB: Met two beautiful but thief's. They went to FC but took the money and vanished. Learned the lessons...do not trust anyone. I take precautions such as hiding the money, not taking my valet, hiding keys. So on first FC date, they can either run with empty hand or wait until the end.

3. Met one 50 minutes drive, 20 year old Spaniard: Short but sweet. Talk, talk and listen. Not much action. 3 dates, and then told her not going to work...as it was one sided, dry. Well, 3 tries are enough, though SB was promising next will be better. Never mind.

4. Met another SB low 30, had pleasant time but found no connection.

5. Met SB 30's, had 3 dates, with FC. Found more business like. Even after 3 dates, and getting allowance, she always thought I won't give her allowance. She was fitness expert, had fun but I didn't like the money oriented mind. So good bye.

6. International SB; My best one. I was going for international trip, renewed my SA acct. Few only active, contacted all. 1 gave negative reply saying can't do 1 nighter. The second one. In 20's...told me she interested to meet. After several texts, we met on M&G for dinner at a very nice restaurant (5-star in that country), and then ended up FC. WOW, that was the best night of my 2013 or may be my life. Never expected...the night will turn so beautiful. I kept thinking of that night...till date. I will visit that SB (too far to meet)...but on my next trip. There was no expectations of money. Whatever I gave was ok. Very sweet, very nice and beautiful. My friends, I found my SB except...I can meet may be once a year...! Too bad...but will wait for my next one.

Back to board, looking for my SB now...don't have any regular here. My international SB, I wish you were here...