Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5321008]When asked about the Supreme Court he would not answer because then the election would be about his answer.

When asked about ending the filibuster, he gave no answer.

When asked about the Capital Gains tax he did not give an answer.

The list goes on and on and on.

BTW. MLK would be very upset about how his vision has not been thrown out by certain people and more accepted by the conservative Republican, who by the way, is how Lyndon Johnson got his voting rights bills passed because it sure was not with the help of Demoncrats.[/QUOTE]Rabbit / Tmeister doesn't have the brain capacity to be able to read complex documents or process actual video, he probably got picked up on the side of road while he was playing with his free Obama phone, and was fed a happy meal in exchange for his vote for the democratic party. Trying to reason with someone on this level just isn't going to work.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5321008]conservative Republican, who by the way, is how Lyndon Johnson got his voting rights bills passed because it sure was not with the help of Demoncrats.[/QUOTE]This has been a conservative talking point for as long as I remember -- I have used it myself -- but it's also a myth. Back then there was a species called "liberal Republican" -- now functionally extinct. Similarly there was such a thing as a conservative Democrat -- also extinct for the most part.

Here is the final roll call on the vote in the Senate. Good luck finding the conservative Republicans who provided the mythical margin of victory on the bill.

[URL]https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s409[/URL]

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5321126]Rabbit / Tmeister[/QUOTE]I don't think so though. Tmeister was always about being inflammatory 100% of the time. Rabbit may be one dimensional in the same way you are but he lacks the lunacy that Tmeister had. I could be wrong, maybe Rabbit is Tmeister's real account but the voice in his writing is completely different.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5319583]Too bad UV light doesn't work for you idiot Left wing radicals to clear you brains. Guess their is no cure for your stupidity.[/QUOTE]"There" (FTFY) might be a cure for it. Get rid of all stupid fuckers on the far right. Yup. That'd do it.

Some of us aren't "Left-wing radicals," but it gets fucking old watching all the right-wing revisionism and general ridiculous shit that goes on. Without shame or irony, grown-up congresspeople were using Twitter to say red meat would be outlawed. Seriously, if I were a cow right now, I'd be worried about the rightards buying us all up because the gubment's coming for your cows! How would anyone conclude that the right is anything but fucking retarded when that's your standard-bearers?

Side note, I was wondering what happened to Tmeister. It looks like he finally lost his mind and pissed off A2.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5319165]Keep smothering 'em with the truth and watch the board nut-jobs slinker away into the shadows with tails between the legs.[/QUOTE]Here is the Truth. Biden won the election.

Now if his supporters can defend what he is doing without bashing Trump it will be a miracle. I don't give a shit what Trump would have done, he is not president Biden is and Biden needs to handle Covid better than he did H1 N1 (65 million infected in US). Biden needs to address oil prices and food prices that are killing the poor. Biden needs to address the crisis at the border.

There is no time to blame it on everyone else. The time is for him to fix it and if he cannot fix it move over and let someone qualified do it.

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5323828]Here is the Truth. Biden won the election.

Biden needs to handle Covid better than he did H1 N1 (65 million infected in US). [/QUOTE]He is handling it better or have you not watch the news? And also while yes 65 million people were infected by the H1 N1 pandemic, only 10,000+ people died and that's a hell of a lot better than the other guy can say.

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5323828]Biden needs to address oil prices.[/QUOTE]The president of the united states' has NO control over oil prices.

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5323828]food prices that are killing the poor[/QUOTE]Food prices are rising globally, it's not just the US.

[URL]https://boingboing-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/boingboing.net/2021/04/26/global-food-prices-are-becoming-dramatically-more-expensive.html/amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D[/URL]
[QUOTE=DadDillac;5323828]Biden needs to address the crisis at the border[/QUOTE]Kamala handling that.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5324034]He is handling it better or have you not watch the news? And also while yes 65 million people were infected by the H1 N1 pandemic, only 10,000+ people died and that's a hell of a lot better than the other guy can say.

That is why CDC says we were lucky H1N1 was not as deadly, because we did an awful job of handling it.... Point is Joe has done nothing to handle it. But you cannot stand on what Joe has done, you can only bash the other guy

The president of the united states' has NO control over oil prices.

Do you really believe that???? that is so sad that you are that stupid and you vote

Food prices are rising globally, it's not just the US.

Why did food suddenly shoot up when Joe and his Hoe were elected?

[URL]https://boingboing-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/boingboing.net/2021/04/26/global-food-prices-are-becoming-dramatically-more-expensive.html/amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D[/URL]
Kamala handling that.[/QUOTE]Kamala is not handling shit at the border. She is worthless, tell me what she has done.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5324034]He is handling it better or have you not watch the news? And also while yes 65 million people were infected by the H1 N1 pandemic, only 10,000+ people died and that's a hell of a lot better than the other guy can say.

The president of the united states' has NO control over oil prices.

Food prices are rising globally, it's not just the US.

[URL]https://boingboing-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/boingboing.net/2021/04/26/global-food-prices-are-becoming-dramatically-more-expensive.html/amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D[/URL]
Kamala handling that.[/QUOTE]Covid is more deadly than H1 N1 so more people will die common sense, but more people were infected by h1 n1 and Biden and crew couldn't have done far worse.

Of course presidents through negotiation have the ability to keep fuel prices under control, also by promoting fuel from within, Trump made us oil independent which drove prices down, now under Biden its out of control.

Kamala isn't handling anything besides honestly running her mouth.

Seems like the only thing you do know rabbit is "How to be a troll of the forums". Congrats on being good and knowing something about anything.

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5324306]Kamala is not handling shit at the border. She is worthless, tell me what she has done.[/QUOTE]Well, we are only 100 days into Biden's first term as POTUS. Biden /Kamela have at least 12 months to fix the border issue which should not really be a problem when you consider that Biden has allowed the US to go from having one of the worst Covid responses in the world to being a global leader in getting shots in arms. Please take a guess as to how many miles of border fencing your former el presidente built in 4 years? Surprise, surprise, trump built a total of 47 miles of fencing and Mexico did not pay a damn Peso for it.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5324317]Well, we are only 100 days into Biden's first term as POTUS. Biden /Kamela have at least 12 months to fix the border issue which should not really be a problem when you consider that Biden has allowed the US to go from having one of the worst Covid responses in the world to being a global leader in getting shots in arms. Please take a guess as to how many miles of border fencing your former el presidente built in 4 years? Surprise, surprise, trump built a total of 47 miles of fencing and Mexico did not pay a damn Peso for it.[/QUOTE]Typical answer. Nothing and it was all Trumps fault.

Get a different story this one is getting old fast.

All I asked for was what they are doing to fix it. Your answer "they have 12 months. " Bullshit I'm not waiting 12 months for "nothing was done" What are they specifically doing? Since you don't know then consider yourself a kool aid drinker, believing everything CNN says.

The worst covid response would be calling someone racist for shutting down travel in response to the virus. That is what your president did. Congrats sheep.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5324317]Well, we are only 100 days into Biden's first term as POTUS. Biden /Kamela have at least 12 months to fix the border issue which should not really be a problem when you consider that Biden has allowed the US to go from having one of the worst Covid responses in the world to being a global leader in getting shots in arms. Please take a guess as to how many miles of border fencing your former el presidente built in 4 years? Surprise, surprise, trump built a total of 47 miles of fencing and Mexico did not pay a damn Peso for it.[/QUOTE]You will have to thank President Trump and Operation Warp Speed for getting the vaccines through testing and emergency recognition in record time plus getting the cross-country testing sites set up so quick using the military, civilian first-responders, and corporate America so fast. Oh yeah, also, without using war-powers got many businesses to voluntarily switch production to much needed supplies and equipment like ventilators and out the major cities.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5324486]You will have to thank President Trump and Operation Warp Speed for getting the vaccines through testing and emergency recognition in record time plus getting the cross-country testing sites set up so quick using the military, civilian first-responders, and corporate America so fast. [/QUOTE]For one thing, it's important to realize that inventing a vaccine is only the first step. After the vaccine exists, then it needs to be manufactured en masse and then distributed in the right way to get that vaccine out of warehouses and into veins. All three of these steps are equally important.

Operation Warp Speed did seem to have some effect on step one. My understanding is that these vaccines did go from the testing phase to approved quicker than normal. That at least we should give Trump credit for. I'm not certain if Trump helped the process of actually inventing the vaccine or not--I think all these major companies were putting a lot of resources into creating a vaccine anyway for obvious reasons so I wouldn't be surprised if it was really only the regulatory hurdles getting smaller that had any effect on how quickly the vaccine was developed.

But that's only the first step. And this is where Operation Warp Speed stops and where Biden's criticism of lack of a plan begins. It appears that Trump had no plans to address any other part of this problem. He had no efforts in place to aid manufacturing or distribution of the vaccine. This is worthy of immense criticism.

For example, the White House under Biden brokered a deal between Johnson and Johnson and Merck (who are competitors) where Merck will help manufacture J&J's vaccine. This is a huge victory for step 2. This is something that likely would not have happened without governmental leadership, especially in a capitalistic system where competitors don't decide to help each other.

The third step is next. Trump did get some criticism here because distribution was largely put in the hands of the states, and some states did a better job than others. I find it hard to blame Trump for the mistakes made here because he was already on his way out and there will likely always be some early hiccups. But it is worthy of criticism that there was no plan for distribution that Trump was able to then give to Biden so that the new administration could hit the ground running. Hopefully we don't need to go over why this should be an issue presidents help each other on.

If you want, I suppose you could criticize Biden for not having an immediate plan to handle the distribution for the vaccines we do have already. I think this is a bit unfair, especially since the pace has picked up rather significantly in the past month and Biden has been clear this is his top priority.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5324486]You will have to thank President Trump and Operation Warp Speed for getting the vaccines through testing and emergency recognition in record time plus getting the cross-country testing sites set up so quick using the military, civilian first-responders, and corporate America so fast. Oh yeah, also, without using war-powers got many businesses to voluntarily switch production to much needed supplies and equipment like ventilators and out the major cities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5324478]Typical answer. Nothing and it was all Trumps fault.

Get a different story this one is getting old fast.

All I asked for was what they are doing to fix it. Your answer "they have 12 months. " Bullshit I'm not waiting 12 months for "nothing was done" What are they specifically doing? Since you don't know then consider yourself a kool aid drinker, believing everything CNN says.

The worst covid response would be calling someone racist for shutting down travel in response to the virus. That is what your president did. Congrats sheep.[/QUOTE]I'd ask for some of the shit you retards are smoking. But then I check a few posts and realize this is your natural state. Stupid. I've never seen bigger sheeple than people that think trump did anything other than fuck shit up. Hey, got some disinfectant I can inject? Maybe some UV light? Of course, it's tricky to keep that light in the syringe and all. LOL.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5324308]Covid is more deadly than H1 N1 so more people will die common sense, but more people were infected by h1 n1 and Biden and crew couldn't have done far worse.[/QUOTE]No they did a great job and you know why because we still had pandemic response team at the time that did their jobs and it's insane to me that you still think Trump did a better job despite the horrible death rate under his administration.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5324486]You will have to thank President Trump and Operation Warp Speed for getting the vaccines through testing and emergency recognition in record time plus getting the cross-country testing sites set up so quick using the military, civilian first-responders, and corporate America so fast. Oh yeah, also, without using war-powers got many businesses to voluntarily switch production to much needed supplies and equipment like ventilators and out the major cities.[/QUOTE]

Operation Warp speed helped but I give most of the credit to the Pharma industry's development efforts over the past 20 years to create the building blocks for a mRNA vaccine. The entire template for a vaccine was just sitting there waiting to be used. Once the Chinese sequenced the COVID gene it took only weeks to develop a vaccine.

Trump's rollout of the COVID vaccines was a dismal failure, he fucked up the logistics of getting said vaccines into peoples arms. Trump set a target to vaccinate 20 million people by the end of 2020. The sad reality, fewer than three million people had received the first vaccine dose at the end of 2020.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5324590]No they did a great job and you know why because we still had pandemic response team at the time that did their jobs and it's insane to me that you still think Trump did a better job despite the horrible death rate under his administration.[/QUOTE]This guy is the only one that thinks this. Harvard, John Hopkins, the CDC, and New England Study of Medicine all agree that H1 N1 could not have been handled worse by Biden and his team. But this one jackoff on a sex forum says because they had a team they did the best. Go get your participation trophy LOL what a dumbass.

Finally would the three or four of you sucking Bidens Dick please tell us why without referencing the former president. Or do you hate trump so much you will suck an old mans cock to get rid of him.

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5324760]This guy is the only one that thinks this. Harvard, John Hopkins, the CDC, and New England Study of Medicine all agree that H1 N1 could not have been handled worse by Biden and his team. But this one jackoff on a sex forum says because they had a team they did the best. Go get your participation trophy LOL what a dumbass.

[/QUOTE]10,000+ people died of H1 N1 in the US while COVID-19 deaths are 500,000+ that to me said says everything plus there's the fact other countries handle pandemic far better than we did whose deaths are only in the two digits because they implanted REAL lockdown measures not the barely half ass measures the other guy did.

[QUOTE=DadDillac;5324760]This guy is the only one that thinks this. Harvard, John Hopkins, the CDC, and New England Study of Medicine all agree that H1 N1 could not have been handled worse by Biden and his team. But this one jackoff on a sex forum says because they had a team they did the best. Go get your participation trophy LOL what a dumbass.

Finally would the three or four of you sucking Bidens Dick please tell us why without referencing the former president. Or do you hate trump so much you will suck an old mans cock to get rid of him.[/QUOTE]There seems to be some trump revisionist history going on here with some of you numbskulls. This is what's driving you trumpers crazy. Biden's leadership, competency and empathy. A skill set trump has never had and never will. Bottom line, trump fucked up the pandemic response, Biden is cleaning up trump's pandemic failures.

Biden's first plan to inoculate 100 Million in the first 100 days of office he quickly realized we were already one pace to do that and more because we were above that target when President Trump left office. But, as typical left-wing folks, many of you do not comprehend the concept of the 10th amendment and let states run themselves. The real joke now is appointing the mass murder Gov Cuomo to head up the governor's weekly COVID advisory calls. President Trump put all the right things in motion and the infamous plagiarizer Biden took those plans, renamed them, criticized Trump, made them his own and regurgitated it into place.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5324565]For one thing, it's important to realize that inventing a vaccine is only the first step. After the vaccine exists, then it needs to be manufactured en masse and then distributed in the right way to get that vaccine out of warehouses and into veins. All three of these steps are equally important.

Operation Warp Speed did seem to have some effect on step one. My understanding is that these vaccines did go from the testing phase to approved quicker than normal. That at least we should give Trump credit for. I'm not certain if Trump helped the process of actually inventing the vaccine or not--I think all these major companies were putting a lot of resources into creating a vaccine anyway for obvious reasons so I wouldn't be surprised if it was really only the regulatory hurdles getting smaller that had any effect on how quickly the vaccine was developed.

But that's only the first step. And this is where Operation Warp Speed stops and where Biden's criticism of lack of a plan begins. It appears that Trump had no plans to address any other part of this problem. He had no efforts in place to aid manufacturing or distribution of the vaccine. This is worthy of immense criticism.

For example, the White House under Biden brokered a deal between Johnson and Johnson and Merck (who are competitors) where Merck will help manufacture J&J's vaccine. This is a huge victory for step 2. This is something that likely would not have happened without governmental leadership, especially in a capitalistic system where competitors don't decide to help each other.

The third step is next. Trump did get some criticism here because distribution was largely put in the hands of the states, and some states did a better job than others. I find it hard to blame Trump for the mistakes made here because he was already on his way out and there will likely always be some early hiccups. But it is worthy of criticism that there was no plan for distribution that Trump was able to then give to Biden so that the new administration could hit the ground running. Hopefully we don't need to go over why this should be an issue presidents help each other on.

If you want, I suppose you could criticize Biden for not having an immediate plan to handle the distribution for the vaccines we do have already. I think this is a bit unfair, especially since the pace has picked up rather significantly in the past month and Biden has been clear this is his top priority.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5324582]I'd ask for some of the shit you retards are smoking. But then I check a few posts and realize this is your natural state. Stupid. I've never seen bigger sheeple than people that think trump did anything other than fuck shit up. Hey, got some disinfectant I can inject? Maybe some UV light? Of course, it's tricky to keep that light in the syringe and all. LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree! It's actually amusing to watch trumpers trying to put lipstick on a pig covered in turd. This is all these numbskulls have got, no substance, just sulky, sore loser snark. Like teens who have been permanently grounded.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5324822]Biden's first plan to inoculate 100 Million in the first 100 days of office he quickly realized we were already one pace to do that and more because we were above that target when President Trump left office. But, as typical left-wing folks, many of you do not comprehend the concept of the 10th amendment and let states run themselves. The real joke now is appointing the mass murder Gov Cuomo to head up the governor's weekly COVID advisory calls. President Trump put all the right things in motion and the infamous plagiarizer Biden took those plans, renamed them, criticized Trump, made them his own and regurgitated it into place.[/QUOTE]So, are you trying to fool us into thinking Biden in his first 100 days is worse than the past 4 years of king trumpollinni? Nyet, I think not.

Did king trumpollinni provide as promised:

Bigger and better healthcare for all: [B]NO.[/B]

Big infrastructure plan:[B] NO.[/B]

COVID is 'totally under control': [B]NO.[/B]

GDP of 4, 5 or 6%: [B]NO.[/B]

Make Mexico pay for the wall: [B]NO.[/B]

Reduce US debt: [B]NO.[/B]

Cut deficit: [B]NO.[/B]

Work hard / No time to golf: [B]NO.[/B]

Lock her up: [B]NO.[/B]

Cut trade deficit: [B]NO.[/B]

Revive coal country: [B]NO.[/B]

Bring back manufacturing: [B]NO.[/B]

Renegotiate Iran nuke deal: [B]NO.[/B]

Denuclearize North Korea: [B]NO.[/B]

Lower drug prices: [B]NO.[/B]

Fix opioid problem: [B]NO.[/B]

Resolve DACA: [B]NO.[/B]

Reduce gun violence: [B]NO.[/B]

Eliminate government corruption: [B]NO.[/B]

In short, trumpers enslaved their party to a useless blowhard. Good job, guys!

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5324834]So, are you trying to fool us into thinking Biden in his first 100 days is worse than the past 4 years of king trumpollinni? Nyet, I think not.

Did king trumpollinni provide as promised:

Bigger and better healthcare for all: NO.

Big infrastructure plan: NO.

COVID is 'totally under control': NO.

GDP of 4, 5 or 6%: NO.

Make Mexico pay for the wall: NO.

Reduce US debt: NO.

Cut deficit: NO.

Work hard / No time to golf: NO.

Lock her up: NO.

Cut trade deficit: NO.

Revive coal country: NO.

Bring back manufacturing: NO.

Renegotiate Iran nuke deal: NO.

Denuclearize North Korea: NO.

Lower drug prices: NO.

Fix opioid problem: NO.

Resolve DACA: NO.

Reduce gun violence: NO.

Eliminate government corruption: NO.

In short, trumpers enslaved their party to a useless blowhard. Good job, guys![/QUOTE]Don't forget about making China pay the tariffs. BIG that FUCKING NO.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5324770]10,000+ people died of H1 N1 in the US while COVID-19 deaths are 500,000+ that to me said says everything plus there's the fact other countries handle pandemic far better than we did whose deaths are only in the two digits because they implanted REAL lockdown measures not the barely half ass measures the other guy did.[/QUOTE]From the CDC:

"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4. 0 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

33,000 people died of covid, the rest died WITH covid, there's a difference. They crammed every death they could into the covid basket while other deaths fell. Normal number of people who die from influenza in a given year 40-80,000 that number in 2020 6,000. Please do not even try to run the "but people wore masks and socially distanced and that's why there was no flu" for a fucking year all the press talked about was how they US was "THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" for covid because nobody wore masks or distanced yet the US was so out fucking standing at wearing masks that nobody died of the flu.

About 150,000 extra people died in 2020, it wasn't half a million, covid isn't nothing, but it's not a half a million people something.

FYI, your "real lockdown measures?

They are responsible for killing at least 10,000,000 people worldwide.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic[/URL]

This was from May of last year, it's probably double that number this year so yes those countries did great with covid, I'm sure the mothers in Africa that are watching their children die slow painful deaths laying in the gutter will forever be grateful to you for saving them from covid.

Here's another one and I love how they say "the covid 19 pandemic is causing this" it's not the covid 19 pandemic, it's the hysterical over reacting being demanded by the largest exercise of privilege the world has ever seen which is slowing down the world economy and pushing over half a billion people into extreme poverty.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22266951/covid-19-poverty-hunger-developing-nations[/URL]

Let me try this a simpler way, if you end up killing 50,000,000 from starvation over a ten year period you did not successfully manage a disease that has killed 3,000,000 worldwide. Do you understand that?

I'll attach a graphic maybe that will help.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5324871]From the CDC:

"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4. 0 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

33,000 people died of covid, the rest died WITH covid, there's a difference. They crammed every death they could into the covid basket while other deaths fell. Normal number of people who die from influenza in a given year 40-80,000 that number in 2020 6,000. Please do not even try to run the "but people wore masks and socially distanced and that's why there was no flu" for a fucking year all the press talked about was how they US was "THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" for covid because nobody wore masks or distanced yet the US was so out fucking standing at wearing masks that nobody died of the flu.

About 150,000 extra people died in 2020, it wasn't half a million, covid isn't nothing, but it's not a half a million people something.

FYI, your "real lockdown measures?

They are responsible for killing at least 10,000,000 people worldwide.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic[/URL]

This was from May of last year, it's probably double that number this year so yes those countries did great with covid, I'm sure the mothers in Africa that are watching their children die slow painful deaths laying in the gutter will forever be grateful to you for saving them from covid.

Here's another one and I love how they say "the covid 19 pandemic is causing this" it's not the covid 19 pandemic, it's the hysterical over reacting being demanded by the largest exercise of privilege the world has ever seen which is slowing down the world economy and pushing over half a billion people into extreme poverty.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22266951/covid-19-poverty-hunger-developing-nations[/URL]

Let me try this a simpler way, if you end up killing 50,000,000 from starvation over a ten year period you did not successfully manage a disease that has killed 3,000,000 worldwide. Do you understand that?

I'll attach a graphic maybe that will help.[/QUOTE]We had this debate before, and you had to admit you were using partial data (look back 70 pages). The CDC says the were 229,000 excess deaths from late January to mid October. There's no reason not to think the total excess deaths could have reached 500 k, as it was raging later in the year.

Yeah. , you could say someone with the cancer died "with" an anvil to the head, but it was still the anvil being dropped on them that killed them.

Please stop being such a condescending prick.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5324871]From the CDC:

"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4. 0 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

33,000 people died of covid, the rest died WITH covid, there's a difference. They crammed every death they could into the covid basket while other deaths fell. Normal number of people who die from influenza in a given year 40-80,000 that number in 2020 6,000. Please do not even try to run the "but people wore masks and socially distanced and that's why there was no flu" for a fucking year all the press talked about was how they US was "THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" for covid because nobody wore masks or distanced yet the US was so out fucking standing at wearing masks that nobody died of the flu.

About 150,000 extra people died in 2020, it wasn't half a million, covid isn't nothing, but it's not a half a million people something.

FYI, your "real lockdown measures?

They are responsible for killing at least 10,000,000 people worldwide.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic[/URL]

This was from May of last year, it's probably double that number this year so yes those countries did great with covid, I'm sure the mothers in Africa that are watching their children die slow painful deaths laying in the gutter will forever be grateful to you for saving them from covid.

Here's another one and I love how they say "the covid 19 pandemic is causing this" it's not the covid 19 pandemic, it's the hysterical over reacting being demanded by the largest exercise of privilege the world has ever seen which is slowing down the world economy and pushing over half a billion people into extreme poverty.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22266951/covid-19-poverty-hunger-developing-nations[/URL]

Let me try this a simpler way, if you end up killing 50,000,000 from starvation over a ten year period you did not successfully manage a disease that has killed 3,000,000 worldwide. Do you understand that?

I'll attach a graphic maybe that will help.[/QUOTE] This is absurd nonsense, offers no cites, and mischaracterizes the basic reality that old people are riddled with other ailments and conditions as "they were on their way out" rather than "and that's why they're most vulnerable to Covid-19". Meanwhile in the realm of actual data:

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While annual deaths will tend to naturally rise as the American population does, its pretty obvious which one is not like the others:

2015-2016= +31,618.

2016-2017= +69,255.

2017-2018= +25,702.

2018-2019= +15,633.

2019-2020= +503,976.

We officially had 345,323 deaths from Covid-19, but in actuality assuming that +35,552 deaths a year is normal based off 2015-2019, excess deaths beyond expectations was actually 468,424. Its possible some deaths were wrongly credited to non-Covid causes, but its also possible that Covid-19 caused them indirectly, e. G. Stress from the pandemic causing a higher rate of strokes and heart attacks, more people dying of unintentional injuries because they don't want to go to the hospital, etc etc. If those elderly were "on their way out" for some other illness or enfeeblement then Covid-19 sure helped expedite that.

The simple fact of the matter is that deaths / year just don't change much for conditions, which is why I'd been awaiting the final CDC figure. Unless you have some other grand explanation for why half a million more people died than expected the obvious answer is that most if not all of that is due Covid-19. Oh and reminder that this is just 2020 numbers, with the first months of 2021 being some of the highest casualty months on record. Going by the Covid GIS charts here 352,573 Americans died of Covid-19 as of the end of 2020 (roughly in line with CDC figures) but 573,385 Americans have died as of today. Which means that if Covid-19 actually caused 468,424 more excess deaths in 2020 that it has probably already caused 293,368 more excess deaths in 2021, for a total bodycount of 761,792.

So in actuality we're probably at 3/4's of a million deaths due to Covid-19, and will probably wrap up at 4/5 ths. Of course that's just in the short term. For every person that dies of Covid-19, a significant multiple of that suffer permanent health consequences that could result in them dying years earlier. The actuarial toll of that is uncertain but my guess is it'd easily bring us past a million effective deaths.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5324871]From the CDC:

"The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4. 0 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

33,000 people died of covid, the rest died WITH covid, there's a difference. They crammed every death they could into the covid basket while other deaths fell. Normal number of people who die from influenza in a given year 40-80,000 that number in 2020 6,000. Please do not even try to run the "but people wore masks and socially distanced and that's why there was no flu" for a fucking year all the press talked about was how they US was "THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" for covid because nobody wore masks or distanced yet the US was so out fucking standing at wearing masks that nobody died of the flu.

About 150,000 extra people died in 2020, it wasn't half a million, covid isn't nothing, but it's not a half a million people something.

FYI, your "real lockdown measures?

They are responsible for killing at least 10,000,000 people worldwide.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850470436/u-n-warns-number-of-people-starving-to-death-could-double-amid-pandemic[/URL]

This was from May of last year, it's probably double that number this year so yes those countries did great with covid, I'm sure the mothers in Africa that are watching their children die slow painful deaths laying in the gutter will forever be grateful to you for saving them from covid.[/QUOTE]You could illustrate these truths with stick-figures and one syllable words and these dumbasses still will never get it, largely because they don't want to "get it". I'm curious as to why you think that governments permitted the hysterical overreactions worldwide, though.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5326266]You could illustrate these truths with stick-figures and one syllable words and these dumbasses still will never get it, largely because they don't want to "get it". I'm curious as to why you think that governments permitted the hysterical overreactions worldwide, though.[/QUOTE]The world health org is the one that started the lies and panic. The hysterical overreaction is entirely their fault. It was their way of trying to get more funds from the nations that were members. Disgusting but true.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5326765]The world health org is the one that started the lies and panic. The hysterical overreaction is entirely their fault. It was their way of trying to get more funds from the nations that were members. Disgusting but true.[/QUOTE]NRA does the same thing with their unsophisticated dipshit members. And that Pep Le Pew (Wayne LaPierre) can't even shoot!

Don't forget those stupid fucking trump supporters that got fleeced by recurring payments. Disgusting but true.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5326765]The world health org is the one that started the lies and panic. The hysterical overreaction is entirely their fault. It was their way of trying to get more funds from the nations that were members. Disgusting but true.[/QUOTE]Judging by the global death toll and the long lasting heath effects of COVID-19 I say their "overreaction" was pretty justified.

Man this hos really get in my nerves, they go MIA weeks or months, no reply any text and one day all of them start texting and trying to meet smh.

[QUOTE=ElPerron;5329182]Man this hos really get in my nerves, they go MIA weeks or months, no reply any text and one day all of them start texting and trying to meet smh.[/QUOTE]Do you have any idea as to what you just said?

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5329447]Do you have any idea as to what you just said?[/QUOTE]He is saying that a provider disappeared and was no where to be found, he wanted her but could not find or reach her. Then out of the blue she is contacting him nonstop and wanting him to meet up with her. BUT he is still upset that she wasn't available when he originally wanted her.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5329447]Do you have any idea as to what you just said?[/QUOTE]The guy is writing in Spanglish. It is a language mostly used in Florida and other Southern border states.

Just not sure if MIA is Miami International Airport where Spanglish along with Spanish are the native language or.

MISSING IN ACTION is the MIA reference.

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5329867]The guy is writing in Spanglish. It is a language mostly used in Florida and other Southern border states.

Just not sure if MIA is Miami International Airport where Spanglish along with Spanish are the native language or.

MISSING IN ACTION is the MIA reference.[/QUOTE]Hell yeah! I can't understand shit those fucking rednecks say in GA. Wish they'd learn to speak murican!

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5329867]The guy is writing in Spanglish. It is a language mostly used in Florida and other Southern border states.

Just not sure if MIA is Miami International Airport where Spanglish along with Spanish are the native language or.

MISSING IN ACTION is the MIA reference.[/QUOTE]Missing in action, you got it!

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5329834]He is saying that a provider disappeared and was no where to be found, he wanted her but could not find or reach her. Then out of the blue she is contacting him nonstop and wanting him to meet up with her. BUT he is still upset that she wasn't available when he originally wanted her.[/QUOTE]That's it, is something very common now, but talking about at least four of them I guess they spent already the stimulus check!

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5329834]He is saying that a provider disappeared and was no where to be found, he wanted her but could not find or reach her. Then out of the blue she is contacting him nonstop and wanting him to meet up with her. BUT he is still upset that she wasn't available when he originally wanted her.[/QUOTE]I knew what he was saying, just that his written English is so poor that he needs to do a lot of work on it!

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5330533]I knew what he was saying, just that his written English is so poor that he needs to do a lot of work on it![/QUOTE]All I was trying to do was to change the subject of conversations this f. Politics, getting on my nerves 😂,suddenly everyone is an expert 😂.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5327166]Judging by the global death toll and the long lasting heath effects of COVID-19 I say their "overreaction" was pretty justified.[/QUOTE]This whole thing is about Power and Control. The WHO was a floundering, corrupt, almost nothing organization until Covid19. And the "Global death toll" is a farce. There are 2 words that you never here in this discussion, "Of" and "With"! I will grant you that hundreds of thousands of people have died "WITH" Covid19 but I guarantee you that that number is a minor percent when you say that they died "OF" Covid19.

It is a Fact that healthcare providers get more money for documenting Covid19 deaths. The other side is the control over populations that the virus gives the power hungry. Fear is another limiting factor that causes self imposed limits on group gatherings and there for less personal interaction and face to face information exchanges.

Our entire election system was thrown for a loop because of it and it continues to effect our lives now. The homeless population here is going to rise, there are already more people living in motels and with someone else who had their own stuff last year. People have lost their businesses and livelihoods through this "Pandemic".

Why are states like Texas and Florida with their "Open Society" approaches seeing less cases and states like Michigan with their "Closed Society" reporting more?

I believe it has much more to do with Money, Power and Control than most are willing to say. But I know a lot are thinking it by now (Even if you didn't in the beginning).

Here it is from the CDC (right now at 5:45 am 5/2/21) by the numbers:

Right now on the CDC website the numbers as reported from 1/4/20 - 4/25/21 are that 621,730 deaths have occurred overall (these are NOT Covid19 but the total number of deaths in the US over that period). They also state that the total number of Death Certificates reporting Covid19 as the cause of death is 557,486. Follow the numbers below and they just don't add up.

Of those, the following Comorbidities are listed; 45.9% (254,384) had Influenza & Pneumonia, 19.8% (109,768) Hypertension, 16% (88,925) Diabetes, 13.5% (75,194) Alzheimer and other Dementia & 9. 5%. (52,986) Sepsis. If you remove the Alzheimer / Dementia category (may not be an actual health issue but more mental, you get 506,063 total deaths and subtract the total from above and you end up with 115,667 deaths that COULD be the total deaths OF Covid19 over 16 months in the US. If you divide the number by 16 you end up with 7,229 monthly deaths and that my friends is nothing more than the normal INFLUENZA deaths we get annually in the United States.

To break it down even further: 80.2% are over 65,17. 2% are between 45 - 64 and only 2. 6% of the total deaths reported are under 45. When you get down to the younger groups it drops dramatically. SO WHY all the fuss over numbers like these? You tell me!

Just sayin' .

[QUOTE=ElPerron;5330790]All I was trying to do was to change the subject of conversations this f. Politics, getting on my nerves 😂,suddenly everyone is an expert 😂.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, none of them is an expert and I'm tired of the politics here too.